Set up of the gods?

[Jim-Tal]

Hi there...

New to boxing, very familiar with wow.

Brief intro:

I am a pre-TBC'er that tried TBC for about 3 days and just couldn't settle into the new content, so I /uninstalled and stopped playing. It's been nearly a year now since I properly played and I still miss it to this day (Sad I know).

I still have a level 60 Nelf priest and I have been considering a return for the last few weeks. I was always a shadow spec during the days when a 1vs1 with a shadowpriest would result in your face falling off. But from watching the forums this no longer seems to be the case (Damn Warlock nerfs!!).

SO... To the point >

I have always been good with picking up complicated things and refining a process until it is nothing less than german in it's efficiency. I have to say, Multi-boxing (especially 5-boxing) makes me feel like a giddy little schoolgirl.. I am going to do it!

My question is, if money was no object, what (in your opinion) would be the set up of the Gods?

I am willing to spend around £8,000 ($16,000) on this but would happily spend more if it was going to improve the overall experience.

SO >>> Set up of the gods?

My intentions at present are:

2 of these ('http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/monitor_3007wfp?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs') (Portrait mode with split screen - 2 WoW's per screen)[size=10]
1 of these ('http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=AppleDisplays') for Main
[size=10]2 of these ('http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/')[size=10] (upgrading to tactus in the future)[size=10]
5 of these ('http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus-mini/') [size=10]

These are just things I would like to have due to their display abilities. I have no idea yet about what to do in terms of switches, hardware etc... But I would probably do this with 3 boxes (all extremely high spec).

Sky is the limit here, let me know your thoughts.

^^

[OzPhoenix]

Wow - and I thought I was splurging....hehe.

Well, ok, here's what I ordered (and picked up in 3 very long days from now)

Processor -Intel Quad Core Q9300 2.5GHz 45nm 6MB S775
Mainboard -EVGA 780i SLi
Memory -2GB(2x1024MB)DDR2 PC8500 1066Mhz RAM 5-5-5-15
HDD -1TB SATA-300 32MB Hard disk drive 7200rpm
Video Card -2x nV 8800GT 512MB
Optical Drive -20x Dual Layer DVD-Burner with LightScribe drive (Black)
ATX case -Antec Nine Hundred CASE with Antec 1000w Power Supply
6 x USB 2.0 Port (MAX)

All up, along with a second 22" LCD to compliment the one I already use for single-boxing, along with some sundry extras about $2,500 Aussie, or about 50 pence UK (ok, well, about 1,200 pounds).

Unless I am terribly mistaken, this outta run 5 wow's so well, that the only thing the PC may die from is boredom. The 4 followers will be on the old 22", with the primary on the new one.

New computer desk to neatly hold all this for another $600 and I'm done. Still only at 1,350 pounds so if you do spend what you're talking about, please send photos so I may /bow in adoration and envy....hehe.

[Jim-Tal]

I'll be sure to forward the pics when I get this set up... hell... I'll be sending them to anybody with a pair of eyes just so I can flash the old epeen.

My brother is an engineer and the company he works for creates custom EPOS systems (Electronic point of sale - basically fancy cash registers) and he had some interesting thoughts. He was saying that I could basically buy one of their machines, strip out the crap I don't need and just use the software / screen / processor etc. What this would do is essentially create a sort of interactive touch screen interface that can be as dynamic as I need it to be. He said he would be happy to do some of the programming with me and we could set up an EPOW (Electronic point of WoW lol). Now, the only concern I have here is lag. If there is a lag between the EPOS and the PC then I'm in trouble really... but what the hell, there's no harm in trying as I think it would basically be the most legendary box set-up in the world ever.

I like the specs you have on the PC units (1TB wtf lol?).

I'm so tempted by flashy, shiny things that I'm in danger of overkill. I think I could just ask one of our guys to build me 3 identical high end machines and then I'll focus on input, design, display and configuration. My overall goal is to be totally unique in my input methods using things like LCD key displays and touch screen monitors... but not sure yet as they do have lag.

LOL @ 50 british pence btw... yes the british pound is pretty OP, needs a nerf.

How are you setting up your keyboards / mouse?

[Wilbur]

EPOS keyboards are definately FTW. I've been looking at several UK companies for supply of one, Which company is it your brother works for if you dont mind me asking?

[Maxion]

So THAT's where that keyboard with the lcd on each key disappeared off to. I was looking at buying one of those for a long time, but then it was suddenly gone from the site I had seen it on and never saw it since.

I think that will be my next investment after I find out what I can afford again. (buying video glasses and then losing interest in them because I started multiboxing wasn't the best turn for my economy recently)

I tend to splurge as much as I can when I get into things as well :D (my idea with the video glasses was to try to setup a wearable computer so I could walk around while playing WoW, but the bluetooth keyboard had too much delay and other limitations that it didn't work for my purpose of mounting it to my wrist, and other mini-keyboards were too expensive to consider, though I suspect I might get the one I got to work better if I played around more with the settings, then again I also got limited by the trackball presenter mouse got for that setup since it got hard to use it to turn and such in WoW due to the small trackball and it being placed where the scrollwheel would normally be on a regular mouse (it could be placed on the desk and take that functionality), anyway, enough of my rambling about my semi-failed project :P ).

Looks like you will indeed get a setup of the gods, though if you want optimal performance and visual details I think you will need to have a computer for each account in order to run smoothly at maximum settings, then again I haven't really tried running proper multiboxing with a lower number of clients on my relatively powerful machine yet.

Anyway, looking forward to pictures of your setup when you get it done, and work-in-progress pics would be nice too :)
And while trying to get a unique interface, maybe you'll try to make a unique class setup that somehow works extremely well in arenas? ;)

[Hoho]

Memory -2GB(2x1024MB)DDR2 PC8500 1066Mhz RAM 5-5-5-15

Unless I am terribly mistaken, this outta run 5 wow's so well, that the only thing the PC may die from is boredom. The 4 followers will be on the old 22", with the primary on the new one.2GB for five WoW's is not nearly enough, especially if you intend to use higher visual settings.

Btw, you cannot use dual monitors with SLI as far as I know, I'm not sure if you can use the cards separately and have one of them to run two and other three games.

[Jim-Tal]

2GB for five WoW's is not nearly enough, especially if you intend to use higher visual settings.

Btw, you cannot use dual monitors with SLI as far as I know, I'm not sure if you can use the cards separately and have one of them to run two and other three games.


My intention was to have 3 identical super PCs with 4GB RAM in each. I would have solid state memory also hopefully. I would run my main on the nice Apple monitor with the single PC and then the alts would run on the other 2 pcs. The alt PC units would have a large monitor each, rotated to portrait view. I would then run 2 instances of WoW on each and have them split on the Widescreen. This saves having a load of monitors on my desk.

I hope this makes sense?

------------Widescreen top-----------------------------------Widescreen top-----------
---------Widescreen bottom--------main display-------Widescreen bottom----------


----------8GB, SSHD, Quad------Main PC same spec-------8GB, SSHD, Quad---------


---------2 x Optimus Minis ('http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus-mini/')---------Optimus Mini ('http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus-mini/')-----------2 x Optimus Minis ('http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus-mini/')--------


--Optimus Maximus Keyboard ('http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/') + Custom EPOS screen + fancy 3million button mouse--


------------------------------------------------Me------------------------------------------------


EPOS keyboards are definately FTW. I've been looking at several UK companies for supply of one, Which company is it your brother works for if you dont mind me asking?
Oh yeah btw Wilbur :) , he works as a 3rd party contractor for a company called Protouch. They do loads of stuff for shops etc and lots of touch screen kiosks. Google them. If you can't find em give me a shout :D




Anyway, looking forward to pictures of your setup when you get it done, and work-in-progress pics would be nice too :)
And while trying to get a unique interface, maybe you'll try to make a unique class setup that somehow works extremely well in arenas? ;)
Man wouldn't that be a dream? A 5-box team... 2 Hunters, a Lock, a Shammy and a S.Priest or something ridiculous. OMG that would be insane... Lock Uberkilling off S.Priest, 2 Hunters with their Pets going mental and dazing people with shots and a Shammy throwing down totems and heals. That would be ridiculous. Although I'm sure more imba setups are possible with different classes.

Would be difficult to control but if you have a custom developed interface with a touch screen and some Mini-Optimuses using the three mini screens to flash red when Heals are needed / Dots running out etc... could be possible?

[Chorizotarian]

I suggest starting with whatever hardware you have to see if you like multiboxing. There is a low of macro / config setup work, so it's not like the time will be wasted. The first 10 levels can be sloooow and frustrating though.

[Jim-Tal]

I suggest starting with whatever hardware you have to see if you like multiboxing. There is a low of macro / config setup work, so it's not like the time will be wasted. The first 10 levels can be sloooow and frustrating though.

I've heard this from a few people. Although I have a high threshold for frustration as I hate things getting the better of me.

I imagine just getting your characters to work in tandum and not panicking when 2 of them get pounded to the GY is difficult... never mind firing off spells and heals. Yeah, I am expecting a LOT of macro / config work.. but luckily there seems to be a good community of MB'rs out there that are way ahead of me.

[Hoho]

I would have solid state memory also hopefully.Assuming Windows is anything near Linux in caching then SSD is huge overkill. I have all five accounts have their data directory symlinked into one directory and loading takes couple of seconds even on my old drive and in Orgrimmar. With enough RAM you'll never swap and HDD just sits there being pretty much useless for the most of the time :)

Instead of the SSD's just upgrade something else, perhaps a decent chair to sit in or something like that :)

[Jim-Tal]

I would have solid state memory also hopefully.Assuming Windows is anything near Linux in caching then SSD is huge overkill. I have all five accounts have their data directory symlinked into one directory and loading takes couple of seconds even on my old drive and in Orgrimmar. With enough RAM you'll never swap and HDD just sits there being pretty much useless for the most of the time :)

Instead of the SSD's just upgrade something else, perhaps a decent chair to sit in or something like that :)

The units will double as a rendering / animation studio with a seperate rendering machine serving the 3 boxes. This is a set up I have been meaning to sort out for a while but not had the time. WoW makes it easier to do as it will force me to set up the machines for fun as well as work.

I've never had a problem with overkill... At home I have a Server that's hooked up to a satellite that links back to a control centre that operates a laser that shoots beams into a diamond covered teapot and makes delicious cups of Earl Grey.

[Wilbur]

I've never had a problem with overkill... At home I have a Server that's hooked up to a satellite that links back to a control centre that operates a laser that shoots beams into a diamond covered teapot and makes delicious cups of Earl Grey.

I believed you up until THAT point... Earl Grey is disgusting :-( Twinnings Breakfast Tea FTW!

[Xzin]

PvP Centric 10 Boxing Array:

8 dual core computers with 2 SSD drives in RAID 0 and 4 gigs of memory with a 9 series nVidia card.
2 quad core computers with a RAID-5 array, 8 gigs of memory and 3x 9 series nVidia cards.
6 30" monitors with hardware splitters to split up the video signals.
6 17" monitors for other visualization of information of interest.
Monitor Mounting Array
5.1 Surround System
RAID-6 8 TB Hard Drive Array with 4x Gig-E
5x 4 Port Vetra Multicasters
2x 8 Port Vetra KM (joined together)
2 X-keys Sticks (buffs)
2 X-Keys Pros (Team 1 and Team 2)
1 Foot Pedal (Toggle Team 1/2)
Happy Hacking Keyboard
12x Wireless Mice Receivers
3x Wireless Mice (Team 1 Lead / Team 2 Lead / All 8)
1 X-Keys Desktop (Select KM)
1 X-Keys Desktop (VoIP Dialpad)
1 Super Comfy Chair
Fluid Delivery System (Medical Grade Tubing, Silent Refrigeration)
Aluminum framework to hold and adjust monitor array (which weighs ~ 200 lbs).

That just about describes my setup, without the SSDs or 9 series cards (I went with 8 at the time) and with less memory (2 gigs instead of 4, etc). They of course could be added later but honestly, they aren't needed to play WoW at > 50 FPS on every machine. I also left stuff out, like the wiring, the extension of the DVI cables, the software setup, the electrical upgrades, the cooling upgrades, etc.

I don't believe this is a "system of the Gods" or anything but it sure as hell is more than your average person's desktop. I spent approximately 60k USD on the setup (although it is surely worth less than that today) and put about 6 months of work into designing and building it. If I were to build and design a system like this again, I wouldn't change much about it but just upgrade a few things here and there as technology has improved over the last few years (like adding the SSDs).

I believe this is one of the best setups for 10 boxing WoW PvP that you can build.

[Jim-Tal]

Fluid Delivery System (Medical Grade Tubing, Silent Refrigeration)

Dr Pepper or Mountain Dew?

[Wilbur]

Goats Milk (He's weird...)

[Tdog]

I've heard this from a few people. Although I have a high threshold for frustration as I hate things getting the better of me.

I imagine just getting your characters to work in tandum and not panicking when 2 of them get pounded to the GY is difficult... never mind firing off spells and heals. Yeah, I am expecting a LOT of macro / config work.. but luckily there seems to be a good community of MB'rs out there that are way ahead of me.

As far as macro's go I'd highly suggest opening up a word document and saving all your macros in there. When I first started it was such a pain in the ass doing macros as I had to rewrite every single one on every toon, then I usually missed spelled like one character on one or more of the toons, then trying to figure out wtf I did wrong and so on and so on... :( It took me about 10 hours to get to lvl 8 just because I was effing around with my macros that much.

-HOWEVER-

Now that I have it in one word document I simply open up my macro document, able to easily rewrite the macros, then simply copy paste all the macros I need on all the toons. That way I never have to worry about misspelling a single macro as they are all exactly the same. For me this has been a HUGE time saver and I highly recommend it.

Also there are times that if you just barely rewrite your macros on your toons and you say get DC'ed prior to logging out after the macro change, My macros all most always don't get saved. So after any major macro switching/changing I would also suggest simply logging out and back in to make sure they get saved. Cuz I got to tell you it is a bitch to work on your macro placement for like 20 mins, FINALLY be happy with the placement, then get DC'ed and lose all that work :cursing:

[Basilikos]

Jim Tal,

I use a monitor setup very close (just an inch or two smaller on most monitors) to the one you are considering. What I have found is that I have to use maximizer IN CONJUNCTION with editing the config file in the WTF directory so that nothing distorts in the 4 slave windows. The problem there is that I have to mess with the UI layout of even the most basic things (like the minimap) since you'll end up using something that's not quite 4:3 in ratio and the minimap will slide right out of view (which stinks). Also, I have found it a pain to maintain several different UI configurations (especially on patch days). I recommend the monitor setup you've proposed ONLY as a temporary means to start MBing. Right now, I'm in the process of getting two more monitors since the trouble for the two side monitors in portrait mode is taking so much of my play time that it's just not worth the money saved (especially since we pay so much to do this in the first place).

Just a thought.

[aetherg]

From everything I've heard, the Optimus keyboards are not that great. They look cool, and it's a great idea, but are just not very good keyboards. The ones that Dell gives out for free have vastly better key response.

[warden1337]

Fluid Delivery System (Medical Grade Tubing, Silent Refrigeration)

Dr Pepper or Mountain Dew?

probably Jolt or iced coffee.
Xzin. I know you have posted a few pics. but you do have any current pics of your overall setup? Would be cool to see.
Warden

[Jim-Tal]

Jim Tal,

I use a monitor setup very close (just an inch or two smaller on most monitors) to the one you are considering. What I have found is that I have to use maximizer IN CONJUNCTION with editing the config file in the WTF directory so that nothing distorts in the 4 slave windows. The problem there is that I have to mess with the UI layout of even the most basic things (like the minimap) since you'll end up using something that's not quite 4:3 in ratio and the minimap will slide right out of view (which stinks). Also, I have found it a pain to maintain several different UI configurations (especially on patch days). I recommend the monitor setup you've proposed ONLY as a temporary means to start MBing. Right now, I'm in the process of getting two more monitors since the trouble for the two side monitors in portrait mode is taking so much of my play time that it's just not worth the money saved (especially since we pay so much to do this in the first place).

Just a thought.

Hmm, you know what... I honestly thought I would get a standard :ratio split on a 30" but you may well be right! It would suck messing about with all the UI's. And now that it occurs to me, I would probably end up getting irritated by the clicking / Alt-tabbing.

Right, sod it I think I need to get 5 uber-boxes, remove the ATX cases, buy a brand new half size SMEG fridge and build them into that lol.

5box > 3box?

I think you're right about the monitor thing, I may just build some sort of rig... OR, buy 5 projectors and then I can resize them at will to display on a giant screen in my house. That would be imbalicious.



Xzin, show us your equipment :whistling:

/agreed


From everything I've heard, the Optimus keyboards are not that great. They look cool, and it's a great idea, but are just not very good keyboards. The ones that Dell gives out for free have vastly better key response.
It's funny you say this, I've never managed to find a single REAL review about the quality of response times etc... could it really be that bad? It's just keystrokes after all?... The displays should (in theory) be a seperate function just for your eyes, the keystrokes you make should not be changed and will perform the assigned action.. Unless they were really crap at writing the software to drive it?

[Skuggomann]

I have some tips for you:



*werry important* Get an extra fridge! and place it neer your PC setupp *werry important*


Get MORE RAM! (Nom Nom Nom) go for 2x (2x 1GB sli 1000Hz) = So 4gb or 8gb if you feel like it :)
Get 4x 100gb sata Raptor drives (10'000RPM)
-1TB is overkill
-if you need storige space, just buy a seperate Pc:
-Huge ass tower
-4x 1TB drives or 8x500GB (i think you can set it so it looks like its one big 4TB drive)
-normal monitor
-KTM swich form that PC to your main monitors MB setupp

And finally for monitors id go for 1x 22" and 2x 30":

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BTW im not the fact master, ther might be some sirius BS in there XD

[Jim-Tal]

Lol so glad you edited that... I nearly went blind from your interesting use of spelling and the diagram.

That is the exact set up that I mentioned at first, although some concerns were raised over screen fits? What are your thoughts?

[aetherg]

No, it isn't about the software timing; the complaints most of the reviews had was that the keys are physically annoying to use; they're too bulky and don't rebound well when pressed.

[Jim-Tal]

No, it isn't about the software timing; the complaints most of the reviews had was that the keys are physically annoying to use; they're too bulky and don't rebound well when pressed.

Wow that's horrible... there's just no excuse for that at all! Although.. they do have screens in them. I wonder if you could hack them out and install stronger springs? Would be a fairly simple job.

[d0z3rr]

No, it isn't about the software timing; the complaints most of the reviews had was that the keys are physically annoying to use; they're too bulky and don't rebound well when pressed.

Wow that's horrible... there's just no excuse for that at all! Although.. they do have screens in them. I wonder if you could hack them out and install stronger springs? Would be a fairly simple job.

I definitely wouldn't get that $13k keyboard, one coffee spill and say goodbye. I spill shit all over keyboard all the time (thanks porn).

Ok just kidding, but every keyboard I've ever own has seen some sort of spill. Most make it through fine, but that one....I kinda doubt it.

I would also build a dual xeon setup if I were you. You can build two quad cores for the price of one qx6600. I forgot the exact mobo's and procs, but it's on newegg.com. Only thing is you need a special case for the motherboard.

[Hoho]

I see lots of people suggesting Raptors. You do know that the newest and biggest HDDs(1TB) with the densest platters surprass them in pretty much every case, do you?

[Suvega]

Jim Tal,

From my experiance, if you have the money you should go for an all hardware setup. Performance is unbeatable, and also a little foward rules friendly (hardware is less likely to ever get banned compared to software).

For monitors, I really like my 30" apple display, its much better quality then the dell, and has a really performant backlight.
For off monitors, I wouldn't recommend anyhting over 19", otherwise they are very hard to glance to. (just too wide for your paripheal vision).
For the main computer, I would recommend a quad core, ddr3 - 4gb, and a 9th generationg nvidia card.

For the off comptuers, dual cores is plenty sufficient with an 8 series nvidia card (to get 100fps).

For input, the maximus is a complete waste imo. Half the keys are gonna stay the same forever (every alphabet key). It looks pretty, but quite useless imo.
The little ones are REALLY expensive for 3 keys. like seriously.

Get a programable keyboard or two (xkeys are nice), some vetras, and a industrial KVM, and you'll be set. Put it all niceley setup, nice cables with top of the line equipment? I'll say its pretty fucking pro :D

[Chorizotarian]

I see lots of people suggesting Raptors. You do know that the newest and biggest HDDs(1TB) with the densest platters surprass them in pretty much every case, do you?

I've had so much trouble with big cheap HDs failing, whereas I've run my last 2 computers off 2x Raptors in RAID0 and had zero trouble with them. I <3 Raptors.

(I'm sure my comp will now be dead when I get home... :P)

[Xzin]

The Apple, HP and Dell 30" all use the same panel. I can't say they use the same backlight though. Samsung uses their own panels.

[Wilbur]

I see lots of people suggesting Raptors. You do know that the newest and biggest HDDs(1TB) with the densest platters surprass them in pretty much every case, do you?

In terms of seek time, they are great.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I see lots of people suggesting Raptors. You do know that the newest and biggest HDDs(1TB) with the densest platters surprass them in pretty much every case, do you?ORLY? Wanna be more specific or do you feel safe with that generalization?

[Nitro]

I see lots of people suggesting Raptors. You do know that the newest and biggest HDDs(1TB) with the densest platters surprass them in pretty much every case, do you?

Sure, if your talkin about single task sequential reads. But that's nothing more than a benchmark score, itis not what happens in the real world where a raptor performs far and above with superior multitasking ability.

[badashh]

I definitely wouldn't get that $13k keyboard, one coffee spill and say goodbye. I spill shit all over keyboard all the time (thanks porn).
Seriously just spit water on my work comp for that one. Porn FTW.

[OzPhoenix]

Now I'm worried - is everyone saying that 2gigs of RAM won't be enough to run 5 WoW's - considering 4 of them will be in cut down boxes sizes with only low graphics set.... ????

[Klamor]

2gb of ram should be fine.... i've 5-boxed before (not very efficiently) and it worked fine...

just set all 4 slaves to lowest resolution and settings, turn of sound on them, set max fps to about 10, and get your iPod hooked up to one of those iHome stereos (so you can listen to music :) )

BTW: this is what i'm workin with


Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+, MMX, 3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.1GHz
Memory: 2048MB RAM
Hard Drive: 400 GB
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT

[OzPhoenix]

2gb of ram should be fine.... i've 5-boxed before (not very efficiently) and it worked fine...

just set all 4 slaves to lowest resolution and settings, turn of sound on them, set max fps to about 10, and get your iPod hooked up to one of those iHome stereos (so you can listen to music :) )

BTW: this is what i'm workin with


Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+, MMX, 3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.1GHz
Memory: 2048MB RAM
Hard Drive: 400 GB
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GT

So, a third gig would help this would it? I could get that added in to the system I guess.

[Anozireth]

3GB is really the minimum for 5-boxing on one computer if you ever want to visit a city with all 5 at the same time and be able to move.

[OzPhoenix]

3GB is really the minimum for 5-boxing on one computer if you ever want to visit a city with all 5 at the same time and be able to move.

Bumped the order up from 2gig to 4gig just then. Picking it up 4pm tomorrow.

Thanks for the tech input all.

OP - sorry to hijack the thread a little.

[Jim-Tal]

Yes you filthy hijack monster!

Lulz, I have been staying with my Brother for two days and we set up a basic touch screen that just made his mage cast a spell. He has a bizzare set up with USB but he reckons he could get it to go faster by using something other than USB.

Put it this way, he tapped the touch screen, Mage cast fire spell, he touched it again to run forward and the mage just looked at him like "wtf you want now?" It had a lag of at least 1.5seconds on everything after the first command. My bro claims that this is down to the bloated software and that he would build something from the ground up that was purely for WoW. I'm still not convinced but I've seen him make a remote control for about 12 things in one (speakers, DVD, TV etc) and it works with no lag at all.

I'm hoping that I could eventually get a real time, interactive interface that rotates, changes dependant on what you're doing with your characters. I.E: Hold the left hand corner and click a character to heal instantly etc.

As a side note: -- Check this out http://www.yikers.com/video_amazing_touch_screen_display_playing_warcraf t.html


:D