What would the best main DPS class to use for a 40-man raid setup?

[dustofoblivion]

I am hesitating between fury warrior and mage as my main dps class. I currently have a 10 man party with every class minus rogue. I understand that fury warrior's main advantage over mage is that the gear is easier to get without relying on raid gear.

Would love to hear your opinions.

[Fuii]

You're more likely to find a raid spot as fury warrior then a mage.
While there are a lot of furies out there already (same for mages though) most raids tend to take a fury over a mage if a decision has to be made (assuming there are already mages and fury warriors in the raid)... its just more consistent and far better scaling damage.

Even with pre-raid gear, a fury warrior will most likely deal more damage to a boss than a raid-gear mage.

[dustofoblivion]

You're more likely to find a raid spot as fury warrior then a mage.
While there are a lot of furies out there already (same for mages though) most raids tend to take a fury over a mage if a decision has to be made (assuming there are already mages and fury warriors in the raid)... its just more consistent and far better scaling damage.

Even with pre-raid gear, a fury warrior will most likely deal more damage to a boss than a raid-gear mage.

You misunderstood my question. I want to 40-man multibox, and I'm wondering if my main DPS class should be a fury warrior or a mage.

[valkry]

You misunderstood my question. I want to 40-man multibox, and I'm wondering if my main DPS class should be a fury warrior or a mage.
Fury warrior 100% then, not even a question, warrior all the way. faster you can nuke that boss the better, nothing beats a brown, end of story.

If you want to 40 man box, you want to get to a point where you can ignore mechanics (or just burst fast enough to skip them). Once you get some gear warriors scale incredibly well. The rotation is easy as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfFG2HNGYGU - <Apes> speedrun of BWL, note that almost 50% of the raid are browns.

[Kruschpakx4]

the question is can you multibox 20 wars properly enough to do more dps than mages who need 1 button for dps in a 40 man setup, because I doubt you will have time to manage rage in any way so you should compare the dps with a "bad" warrior, not likely to find those in <apes>

it will also take an eternity to gear those wars there like...7 items for dps wars in MC, 4 of which are 2h weapons

[valkry]

Once you get to a certain gear level you basically get infinite rage. You just have bloodthirst & whirlwind, and can macro heroic strike into just a few of those. The browns will top meters with just quest/dungeon blues.

[nodoze]

You misunderstood my question. I want to 40-man multibox, and I'm wondering if my main DPS class should be a fury warrior or a mage.
the question is can you multibox 20 wars properly enough to do more dps than mages who need 1 button for dps in a 40 man setup, because I doubt you will have time to manage rage in any way so you should compare the dps with a "bad" warrior, not likely to find those in <apes>

it will also take an eternity to gear those wars there like...7 items for dps wars in MC, 4 of which are 2h weaponsI would think Mages would be easiest to play and keep alive from a ranged perspective.

Would all mages top DPS in raids were you can leverage ignite mechanics?

[Kruschpakx4]

Once you get to a certain gear level you basically get infinite rage. You just have bloodthirst & whirlwind, and can macro heroic strike into just a few of those. The browns will top meters with just quest/dungeon blues.

i just want to emphasise that he should atleast compare the dps between arms/fury/frostmage in the setting he wants to run MC, like full preraid bis with all world buffs, sure fury will be ahead. Not preraid bis/most quest or random dungeon gear, no consumeables ect...then all you need is a good 2h weapon and arms will do better especially since half the boss encounters and most trash you really shine with sweeping strikes. But you dont want to farm 20x hoj, which is like 1k angerforge (soon emp) runs or not even gearing to hitcap, Im afraid a crap geared mage outperforms a warrior at that stage. And keep in mind there is a decent amount of loot in MC for mages compared to dps warriors especially when you cut ragnaros out of the equation (which we can certainly do).

[Tazeon]

if you want to clear MC I would go with mages as main dd.

ragnaros should be a lot easier with mages instead of melees.


gearing is also not difficult with bloodvine set and zg items.

[strokes]

the question is can you multibox 20 wars properly enough to do more dps than mages who need 1 button for dps in a 40 man setup, because I doubt you will have time to manage rage in any way so you should compare the dps with a "bad" warrior, not likely to find those in <apes>

it will also take an eternity to gear those wars there like...7 items for dps wars in MC, 4 of which are 2h weapons

It's pretty easy to be in the 50+ percentile dps as a warrior while multiboxing. I can do it while healing on my resto shaman. Fury is a joke spec for raiding. You only need to micro manage rage if you're going for 99 parses. If you have any weapon skill, you can smash out 60-70 parses relatively easy.

Your biggest issues are gonna be mechanics, not dps.

[nodoze]

It's pretty easy to be in the 50+ percentile dps as a warrior while multiboxing. I can do it while healing on my resto shaman. Fury is a joke spec for raiding. You only need to micro manage rage if you're going for 99 parses. If you have any weapon skill, you can smash out 60-70 parses relatively easy.

Your biggest issues are gonna be mechanics, not dps.Aren't Mages who are able to DPS from range going to be better able to deal with most mechanics?

Just seems pretty straight forward that attacking from range and being easier to gear (as well as doing better with shit gear) makes Mages a better proposition to be multiboxing in larger numbers.

[The Crowd]

Why has no one mentioned warlocks? Now that the ZG gear is out they out dps mages, have 1button dps, and when some
maths you can weave in enough life taps so you never ever ever oom. I mean... where’s the love!

[nodoze]

Why has no one mentioned warlocks? Now that the ZG gear is out they out dps mages, have 1button dps, and when some
maths you can weave in enough life taps so you never ever ever oom. I mean... where’s the love!I originally was going to ask about Warlocks but I thought that now that ignite is viable on the current end-game raids aren't Mages even better in Raids than before?

I guess anyone starting would be doing MC and what not first where Mages's ignite isn't viable but anywhere they can ignite they should be superior by far. There are respecing costs and some raids are more multiboxable than others (and I am no expert on that) so would love to hear how much factor ignite could be for multiboxing Mages in Phase 4+ raids...

That being said I actually run Warlocks and would love to hear folks thoughts on multibox raiding with Warlocks vs Mages vs Warriors in Phase 4+. Would love to see some one rank them and give some idea on benchmarks for reasonably attainable DPS for all 3 when multiboxed with fairly easily attainable gear.

[strokes]

Aren't Mages who are able to DPS from range going to be better able to deal with most mechanics?

Just seems pretty straight forward that attacking from range and being easier to gear (as well as doing better with shit gear) makes Mages a better proposition to be multiboxing in larger numbers.
With enough warriors, a lot of fights stop being fights. No other class can pump as much damage in 30-40 second kills (what you would have to be doing to make ignoring mechanics viable). The best mages(99) barely compete with great warriors(95+) on parses.

Warriors will be the better composition if (really big if) you have enough of them well geared.

I am completely ignoring the fact that you would go insane before you could gear that many warriors that well.

[Kruschpakx4]

Your biggest issues are gonna be mechanics, not dps.

which favors ranged classes, as much as i love warriors in vanilla for multiboxing but thinking of garr, gheddon, rag and to some extend shazzrah with 20 warriors and not investing thousands of gold in pots each run i dont see them being much faster than a caster setup...certainly not cheaper either if you want 20x lionheart+devilsaur+flurry+deep woods+resistance potions

[Kraxx]

Someone did it already - a lot of Warriors....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQJwEX-W-9Q

[nodoze]

Someone did it already - a lot of Warriors....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQJwEX-W-9Q:LoL I like the Garr video where basically it is a quick loot before wipe. Yeah the adds killed his raid but bottom line is he got the boss loot (kinda cheesy but he did get the drops)...

LOL before the boss pull all the Warriors pop Diamond Flask with Healing gear/Weapons equipped and then quickly swap back before charging in... Hard to argue with that from a burst/survive perspective...

Still would love to hear more thoughts about Warlocks and their relative ranking now that they are starting to catch up gear-wise.

[Kruschpakx4]

Someone did it already - a lot of Warriors....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQJwEX-W-9Q

oh nice i didnt even look it up beforehand, didnt think of cheesing garr that way :)

its good to see the strat kind of works but still he got 600-900 dps on his wars and half the raid dead on lucifron would worry me for later encounters. The thing is his gear isnt getting much better at this point i see alot of deep woods/flurry in this raid (ok they have the same model but i suppose he got both on most wars)

I'd be really impressed if he gets gheddon with 1 priest tho, that manaburn is gonna delete his shamans in 20 sec unless he outplays it by los'ing. As dps isnt an issue anyway why not run 3 war 1 priest 1 shaman groups instead of the 4 war shaman groups it would be much safer imo since he got 600+dps

[valkry]

oh nice i didnt even look it up beforehand, didnt think of cheesing garr that way :)

its good to see the strat kind of works but still he got 600-900 dps on his wars and half the raid dead on lucifron would worry me for later encounters. The thing is his gear isnt getting much better at this point i see alot of deep woods/flurry in this raid (ok they have the same model but i suppose he got both on most wars)

I'd be really impressed if he gets gheddon with 1 priest tho, that manaburn is gonna delete his shamans in 20 sec unless he outplays it by los'ing. As dps isnt an issue anyway why not run 3 war 1 priest 1 shaman groups instead of the 4 war shaman groups it would be much safer imo since he got 600+dps
Resto pots...

[Kruschpakx4]

so he has to kill him before the second ignite :) Garr kill took him 90 seconds with 100% uptime so gheddon will be quite a challenge...maybe if he los the very first ignite and then pot for the second he can do it or position such that he can outrange it all the time. Probably the most fun fight in MC for a boxer after rag :)

all of this looks nice on paper if you have infinite money.

[Ellay]

(not playing classic) but I'd go with Mages, your ability to handle mechanics makes you much more versatile for more scenarios. You also have an out in Ice Block for a complete immunity if you mess up a mechanic. I suppose mechanics in Classic aren't as in depth as retail but it still catches up the more it progresses.

The other part was gearing them out. Mages can work with more and their power curve is more forgiving as you gear up.

[nodoze]

(not playing classic) but I'd go with Mages, your ability to handle mechanics makes you much more versatile for more scenarios. You also have an out in Ice Block for a complete immunity if you mess up a mechanic. I suppose mechanics in Classic aren't as in depth as retail but it still catches up the more it progresses.

The other part was gearing them out. Mages can work with more and their power curve is more forgiving as you gear up.LoL I hadn't though of Ice Block to bypass mechanics and you could do it at least twice on a given boss by leveraging cold snap. If you have Paladin Healers they can also be immune to any mechanic at least once (maybe twice depending on the mechanic). Those are without popping any invul pots.

Warlocks could sacrifice Voids to get a really big buffer which may allow quite a bit but I can't think of a way for them to be totally immune like Mages or Paladins.

[jak3676]

What mechanic in MC (or BWL) would be easier to Ice Block or Bubble on though? I know Naxx as some massive AOE damage that you can just IB to avoid, but I can't think of any mechanics that you can cheese before then. In MC, Shaz is really the only AOE damage mechic and you just out-range that, and Mag has the AOE Fear, but that can be out-ranged also.

[The Crowd]

Insert “you are the bomb” quote right there...

[Purpleflavor]

Someone did it already - a lot of Warriors....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQJwEX-W-9Q
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