Wow Classic TBC

[Recap]

Hello fellow multiboxers

Me and many others are probobly waiting for a official TBC annuncement from Blizzard. Im sure it will be around blizzcon.
Anyways, I know it's pretty early to start tanking about TBC dungeon comps. But i cant help hyping myself up.

Ive only heard that 5 shamans is pretty strong and can do almost any HC dungeon? But any of you guys that have experience of multiboxing in TBC?

[nodoze]

PaladinTank+4Shaman was really nice.

[Helljumper01]

I don't have any experience multiboxing TBC content but I too am eagerly awaiting an announcement. I spent a bit digging around Youtube and Google the other day looking for resources or suggested comps and I found a few bits and pieces. Like Nodoze said Prot Paladin seems like the go to tank for any comp as it is the king of AoE tanking, and Elemental Shamans in a 4 or 5 of also seem strong. Why bother CC'ing targets when you can delete one on pull.

I've also seen mention of Shadow Priests as a 4 of, and I watched a video of a Prot Paladin with 4 Disc/Holy Priests utilizing Smite & Holy Nova. I kind of doubt that comp would be stronger than Prot Paladin, 3 Mages and a Disc Priest but maybe I'm not seeing something. What is clear to me is the need for a more durable front line unless you can instantly remove 1 or 2 targets from the fight, so either burst damage or CC could mitigate the need for a tank on everything except bosses.

[Peregrine]

I don't have any experience multiboxing TBC content but I too am eagerly awaiting an announcement. I spent a bit digging around Youtube and Google the other day looking for resources or suggested comps and I found a few bits and pieces. Like Nodoze said Prot Paladin seems like the go to tank for any comp as it is the king of AoE tanking, and Elemental Shamans in a 4 or 5 of also seem strong. Why bother CC'ing targets when you can delete one on pull.

I've also seen mention of Shadow Priests as a 4 of, and I watched a video of a Prot Paladin with 4 Disc/Holy Priests utilizing Smite & Holy Nova. I kind of doubt that comp would be stronger than Prot Paladin, 3 Mages and a Disc Priest but maybe I'm not seeing something. What is clear to me is the need for a more durable front line unless you can instantly remove 1 or 2 targets from the fight, so either burst damage or CC could mitigate the need for a tank on everything except bosses.

I tried alot of comps, and nothing beats 4x sham/pala mainly due to factor you can spam BL 4x in a row. Even 5x ele is just pure insanity.

The only comp that can actually beat 4x ele/pala is 4x sl s l/shadow or disc. Rest is just pew pew.

Also, teh amount of farm you can do as ele is just insanity. All hc dungeons are piss easy as well.

[sethlan]

I know ele shamans ruled in TBC. thats why i have 6x - 60s - pretty much ready for TBC , just having fun leveling mages/priest now.

[JohnGabriel]

I seem to remember multiple shamans were so strong because of totem stacking, which was later patched out. Imagine 5 totems of wrath all stacking.

Will that be in the patch we get? Do they consider it a bug and wont be in from the start?

[Peregrine]

No, that was changed in 3.01.

As far as Tbc is concerned, that is all legit normal. so 5x 3% crit increase, 5x totems fire/lava/only the mana totem does not stack.

will be fun to see 5x ele rampaging! tho not in bg:)

[nodoze]

I had pretty much at least 5 of every class capped (maybe except Rogues) in TBC. From TBC through WoTLK I tried many combos and for me at least the best teams to farm with were:

PVE5man: PaladinTank+4Shaman;
PVE10man:PaladinTank+9Shaman (sometimes I would bring in a extra class but just really liked Shaman);
PVP10Man: upto10Shaman (until WoTLK when Paladin+4DK was just as fun).

I don't remember when exactly Shaman got Earth Shield but when they got that (and with the tweaks to Paladin Tanking) it seemed like PVE dungeon/raid farming went on steroids.

Bottom line is that it seemed to me that Paladin+Shaman started strong in TBC and only got stronger though WoTLK. DKs were overpowered and fun/novel when they came but for PVE I still preferred Paladin+Shaman.

Edit: PVE Solo-wise I personally felt BM Hunters were the best in TBC->WotLK and often used my solo Hunter to clear lower level dungeons for my twinks (I did 19,29,39,49,59 though mostly 49s).

[Recap]

I had pretty much at least 5 of every class capped (maybe except Rogues) in TBC. From TBC through WoTLK I tried many combosand for me at least the best teams to farm with were:

PVE5man: PaladinTank+4Shaman;
PVE10man:PaladinTank+9Shaman (sometimes I would bring in a extra class but just really liked Shaman);
PVP10Man: upto10Shaman (until WoTLK when Paladin+4DK was just as fun).

I don't remember when exactly Shaman got Earth Shield but when they got that (and with the tweaks to Paladin Tanking) it seemed like PVE dungeon/raid farming went on steroids.

Bottom line is that it seemed to me that Paladin+Shaman started strong in TBC and only got stronger though WoTLK. DKs were overpowered and fun/novel when they came but for PVE I still preferred Paladin+Shaman.

Awesome, Im leaning to 5xele or 1 paladin + 4 shamans. I'll probably level a new team in TBC as an ally. The massive amount of players rushing in the portal and try to quest in Hellfire will be a shitty time. If you can't go direct to ramp and start grind to get ahead of the massive zerg

[Purpleflavor]

No, that was changed in 3.01.

As far as Tbc is concerned, that is all legit normal. so 5x 3% crit increase, 5x totems fire/lava/only the mana totem does not stack.

will be fun to see 5x ele rampaging! tho not in bg:)Also if it was already mentioned, there was no Bloodlust debuff. 5xshaman in TBC was basically playing with a cheat code.


Also, for those that enjoy pet teams. Hunters are the top DPS at the beginning of TBC. Warlocks are the top DPS at the end of TBC. Warlock SL/SL is amazing for pvp, more like godly. 3min mage is also at it's peak.

[Peregrine]

Also if it was already mentioned, there was no Bloodlust debuff. 5xshaman in TBC was basically playing with a cheat code.


Also, for those that enjoy pet teams. Hunters are the top DPS at the beginning of TBC. Warlocks are the top DPS at the end of TBC. Warlock SL/SL is amazing for pvp, more like godly. 3min mage is also at it's peak.

Sl sl lock is demigod in pvp. Ele for 5s is just insane. Problem wit locks, dots can't kill ground :)

[Torgo]

Not really a fan of the Shaman playstyle. How is the standard WMMMP in TBC?

I kind of hate TBC and would much rather have a classic+ :(

[Purpleflavor]

Not really a fan of the Shaman playstyle. How is the standard WMMMP in TBC?

I kind of hate TBC and would much rather have a classic+ :(
It works, all middle of the pack classes there. I think they removed the priest bubble stopping rage gain in TBC. Mages stack well. Priest has a lot of mana issues in TBC until they get Tier4. The 5 second rule is important for them.

Consider a shaman though, they are good aoe healers with chain heal and have totem buffs for your mages, and also the most important is Bloodlust for every boss. Also windfury for your warrior's rage gain.

[Recap]

Also if it was already mentioned, there was no Bloodlust debuff. 5xshaman in TBC was basically playing with a cheat code.


Also, for those that enjoy pet teams. Hunters are the top DPS at the beginning of TBC. Warlocks are the top DPS at the end of TBC. Warlock SL/SL is amazing for pvp, more like godly. 3min mage is also at it's peak.

I was thinking of maining my hunter in TBC. Any thoughs of how a hunter team 5xHunter or as 3dps with shaman/pala healer and paladin tank? In my case Im only going to pve. Would be Nice to bring the hunter in the farming team without draging it down =)

[The Crowd]

BM hunter in TBC was the go to main spec, and best of all... it had a one button max dps macro... that everyone had, guys pushing end game content used it.
its probably the one class that doesn’t loose anything by being boxed, weakness is Aoe and CC for the heroics until you’re geared. Your pets will get cleaved to hell and back at the start, but once your gear gets better, happy days. Added advantage is provided you play smart you can’t really oom and wipe because your dps dropped to zero like you can on mages and shammies

[Lyonheart]

Even after the nerf to totem stacking in WotLK.. pal and 4 shaman were still very good. So if they decide to let the totem stacking stay in classic bc..the team was great for many other reasons. chain heal...grounding totems made some boss fights trivial. i remember lots of trash that feared..not a problem with tremor totems..etc..

With that being said.. all i played in BC-Cata was the pal+4 shaman.. so i might try somthing else this time.

[jak3676]

When did Disc priests get their Atonement "smart heal"? (where you could just smite and do nice healing and mediocre dps at the same time) I remember doing it MoP and maybe Cata, but I don't remember how far back it went.

[Purpleflavor]

When did Disc priests get their Atonement "smart heal"? (where you could just smite and do nice healing and mediocre dps at the same time) I remember doing it MoP and maybe Cata, but I don't remember how far back it went.

Cata pre-patch. It healed only 1 person though. There were bugs at release that caused it to heal everyone within a short range though, blizzard fixed that pretty quick.

[jak3676]

The version of Atonement I was thinking about always healed the person with the lowest health within range - which is exactly what you'd want in a single target heal. I don't think I was often top dps in a LFD run, but close and often I was 2nd or 3rd. It was fun to out dps the actual dps. I was hoping it was in the game back in WOLK or maybe even TBC and I just never noticed. Oh well...

[Kruschpakx4]

Even after the nerf to totem stacking in WotLK.. pal and 4 shaman were still very good. So if they decide to let the totem stacking stay in classic bc..the team was great for many other reasons.

the mechanics changed from party wide to raid wide so thats nothing to worry about in tbc. Wrath totem gave 3% hit and crit so having 5 of them you're basically raidhitcapped (with head enchant) and 15% extra crit ...having that on an entire raid would be quite broken as ele shamans were already solid dps without stacked wrath totems.



With that being said.. all i played in BC-Cata was the pal+4 shaman.. so i might try somthing else this time.


unless raiding, play 5 shockadins, you wont regret it :)

[nodoze]

the mechanics changed from party wide to raid wide so thats nothing to worry about in tbc. Wrath totem gave 3% hit and crit so having 5 of them you're basically raidhitcapped (with head enchant) and 15% extra crit ...having that on an entire raid would be quite broken as ele shamans were already solid dps without stacked wrath totems.

unless raiding, play 5 shockadins, you wont regret it :)LoL yeah though 5 shaman in PVP was pretty fun also.

At least until WoTLK and then Paladin + 4Death Knights :-)

[Tazeon]

I would like to have as much information about PSSSS on Horde Side.

Paladin which profession is most useful?

Shaman which race?
how many leatherworkers useful for drums?
is tailoring or leatherworking good for starting gear?
all 4 shaman are elemental or is 1 heal?

[Peregrine]

I would like to have as much information about PSSSS on Horde Side.

Paladin which profession is most useful?

Shaman which race?
how many leatherworkers useful for drums?
is tailoring or leatherworking good for starting gear?
all 4 shaman are elemental or is 1 heal?

All 4 shamans are elemental, always. You mainly use pvp gear always. Drums?? why drums ?Paladin is only be so you got no brainer there. Leatherworking could be useful I guess. Orc for stun resist mainly.

[Tazeon]

All 4 shamans are elemental, always. You mainly use pvp gear always. Drums?? why drums ?Paladin is only be so you got no brainer there. Leatherworking could be useful I guess. Orc for stun resist mainly.

oh sorry I forgot to mention I want to run heroics, if this wasnt clear.

why pvp gear?

I asked about Paladin professions, not race :)

[nodoze]

oh sorry I forgot to mention I want to run heroics, if this wasnt clear.

why pvp gear?

I asked about Paladin professions, not race :)Between BC and WoTLK I had at least 1 Alliance Shaman (maybe all Draenei) at cap on all 10 of my accounts and had multiple Shaman twinks in the various brackets... When I took all 10 Shaman for PVP I think I had at least 1 Resto but I may have had 2 (the rest were Elemental). If I recall correctly I had at least 5 Paladins at cap (mix of both Dwarves & Human and then later at least 1 Draenei) so I could do all Paladin 5mans but found I preferred 1Paladin+4 Shaman for 5mans.

From memory for 5man dungeons I speced one Shaman Deep Resto with some Elemental and the rest were deep Elemental with some Resto.

From memory I think my main Paladins for PVP (that I also ran PVE with) had Engineering and Blacksmithing for Professions at least for Vanilla. I know it was Blacksmithing for the 'Glimmering Mithril Insignia' for at least Vanilla and I kept it until it was eventually nerfed (not sure if that was BC or WotLK or later). Once it got nerfed I think on at least 1 Paladin I dropped Blacksmithing and went with the profession that helped get more out of flasks/potions (memory kinda vague there as I stopped focusing on cap at some point).

Hard for me to remember for sure because even after the nerf it still worked on characters level 60 and below which means it was still fine for most of my twinks (which was what I focused the most on).

[Thebop]

What do you all think would be best for running dungeons and heroics: SSSSS, WSSSS, DSSSS? I'm horde and I'd like to hit the ground running in TBC and don't think I'd level up a pally right off the bat. Would the warrior or druid tank will be necessary / worth it?

[nodoze]

What do you all think would be best for running dungeons and heroics: SSSSS, WSSSS, DSSSS? I'm horde and I'd like to hit the ground running in TBC and don't think I'd level up a pally right off the bat. Would the warrior or druid tank will be necessary / worth it?I think running with Tank+4S will be better than 5S in BC and especially into WoTLK.

If you you are well geared and have Engineering and what not maxed Warrior will be better than Druid Bear because Warriors have better defensive cool-downs, can push better DPS, swap weapons/shields, and use consumables etc (Bears don't have thumbs)... If your tank will have average or lower gear Bear is likely the better choice. In the end both can work though neither is as good as Paladin in BC+.

[sethlan]

I'm sticking to my new 2 priests 8 mages. 10 box

[Peregrine]

I'm sticking to my new 2 priests 8 mages. 10 box

I'll prolly go with either 4x priest 1x rogue or 4x lock,1x rogue .)

Just for the fact that warlocks are death machine .) paired that with rogue.P pew pew:)

Or 4x priest with rogue haha .) that outta be fun .P

perma silence>insta full dispell>bang bang

[chrisand11]

Is it possible to do the 10-25 man raids due to the movement mechanics?
I was curious if you stacked BM Hunters / Destro locks if you'd get enough physical vs magic damage.

I understand that TBC has a lot more "utility" gained from having a variety of specs.
I'm trying to make a quick and dirty spreadsheet to calculate dps to see if it's viable.

[Peregrine]

Locks with shadwbolt spam specc, but even then it's hard


So many mechancis, it's crazy .)

[Kruschpakx4]

Is it possible to do the 10-25 man raids due to the movement mechanics?
I was curious if you stacked BM Hunters / Destro locks if you'd get enough physical vs magic damage.

I understand that TBC has a lot more "utility" gained from having a variety of specs.
I'm trying to make a quick and dirty spreadsheet to calculate dps to see if it's viable.

karazahn with the exception of netherspite is fairly easy movement wise, everything that comes after will have atleast some bosses that may be "impossible" until you can outgear them with endgame badge of justice gear (speaking of gruul, jan'alai,akil'zon for example)

the good thing is somewhere around the sunwell patch karazahn and ZA will drop badges aswell so gearing will be alot faster for >5 boxers

the bad thing is attunements (https://i.imgur.com/k6Fevyc.jpg) will prevent you from farming trash/easy bosses in higher tier content until sunwell release

in other words, i wouldnt bother with 25 man pve boxing until sunwell is out unless you want to tryhard high king+ gruul with no gear advantage https://www.dual-boxing.com/images/smilies/smile.png

[Bushiggle]

Only started Multiboxing in classic on Horde as MMMMP plus mixing in some other characters to farm certain gear and bosses. Its fun but i definitely want to try either PSSSS or PPSSS as i kind of want a paladin tank for multiboxing and a paladin healer for raiding as i cba respeccing constantly.

I also will need to level the full comp from scratch as paladins will only be available from tbc launch for horde ofc. If anyone has any advice on how to power lvl faster than from scratch let me know

[nodoze]

Only started Multiboxing in classic on Horde as MMMMP plus mixing in some other characters to farm certain gear and bosses. Its fun but i definitely want to try either PSSSS or PPSSS as i kind of want a paladin tank for multiboxing and a paladin healer for raiding as i cba respeccing constantly.

I also will need to level the full comp from scratch as paladins will only be available from tbc launch for horde ofc. If anyone has any advice on how to power lvl faster than from scratch let me knowFastest way to cap for Horde Paladin4Shaman or 2Paladin3Shaman would likely be to level 5 Shaman now (or Tank+4Shaman) and then boost/power-level 1 or 2 Horde Paladin at TBC launch.

We don't know for sure which of the current boosting/power-leveling approaches (https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/56540-The-Boosting-and-Power-Leveling-summary-thread) will still work when TBC hits (nor which new ones we may find) so doing some testing in the beta will likely result in finding the fastest route...

My recollection is that in BC+ AoE spells hit diminishing returns at something around 10+ targets so some of the current metas will no longer work as is (like the dungeon 1-pull strats) but medium-size AoEs of clumps likely will still be efficient XP (like mainly Mages Arcane Explosioning small to medium clumps)...

If Approach 2B (pet tagging boosting) still works then for a 5 Boxer likely the fastest would be to use 3 Hunter's Pets to boost 1 or 2 Paladins (if you just want 1 Paladin keep 1 in the GY for no XP for the 2nd Paladin). When the Paladin(s) can efficiently tag level 48+ mobs switch to Approach 2A with both the Hunters and pets helping kill (or bring in the level 60 Shaman or whatever characters are most efficient).

Approach 1 may also be pretty fast to do 1-2 Paladins (you would want 4 alts in the party) though with the mob count diminishing returns on AoE this may not be fastest...

The minimum preparation approach, that doesn't rely on unknowns regarding boosting metas nor having to pre-level shaman, would be to just be ready to level up your new team via a semi-spell-cleave of instances to cap... If you go this route, from the 2 options you mentioned, Paladin+4Shaman should be faster than 2Paladin+3Shaman to cap due to higher party DPS and greater XP/hour. Pre-stocking gear and consumables (and pre-staging Warlocks for summoning at strategic points) would help speed things up...

The only other faster scenario I can think of would be to level your Paladin(s) with 3-4 other characters which have higher DPS from 1-60 while leveling than Shaman (assuming you already had 3-5 Shaman at current cap waiting). Off hand I don't know which class(es) may be better for DPS in TBC with new Horde Paladin(s) than Shaman as they were good in TBC+. I do remember that Warlocks seemed OP but not sure how they are at getting from 1-60 in BC compared to Shaman... The current meta of 4 Mages(+1Paladin) may be one combo to look at as well if you already have 4 Shaman waiting and if Mages are sill strong 1-60 in BC...

Sorry I am in a hurry but those are my off the cuff thoughts... Maybe some other folk can chime in with their thoughts.

[Bushiggle]

Thank you for your thoughts. I have a feeling that your thought around just spell-cleaving instances with tactical warlocks set up around the place to speed myself up might work quite well for me as i have no hunters leveling for pet tagging etc. Luckily i already have 4 lvl 20 warlocks.

I was most worried about leveling up 4/5 shamans to 60 and the being stuck leveling 2 paladins with no real efficient boosting mechanism. I heard lvl 70 druid thorns boosting is very effective but I do not fancy leveling a druid all the way to 70. Seems i would just be better missing the hysteria of the outlands launch and grinding my team up, learning to use them properly and setting up my abilities and toolbars the way that works best for me through trial and error

[strokes]

I think that PaPaMMM will be stronger for spell cleaving up to 60 than PaPaSSS. Elemental doesn't really turn online until mid 40s. Arcane is good from level 20 on and only gets stronger with TBC talents.

I understand that private server discussion isn't allowed, but I think its pertinent here. PaSSSS feels VERY BAD in heroics if you're not practically oneshotting the packs off the pull. Doing this will require a tooooon of investment in the beggining (netherstrike / spellstrike / eternium runed dagger on each character is probably gonna be mandatory).

I think other comps will have an easier time transitioning into heroics at the very beginning of the expansion. I'm personally going to to go prot paladin / 3x arcane mage / disc priest to start. I think CC is going to be too important for getting the initial badges of justice flowing. I'll probably start replacing the mages with shamans as my gear increases. Gonna be a fun, sweaty expansion for me.

As a side note, I'd just level 5x of whatever blood elf classes you would potentially use with the paladins. Arcane Torrent is a game changer, and I would honestly say worth rerolling for because of how flexible pulls get when you have 3-5 you can burn.

Edit: Gotta remember that focus target "should" be added in TBC. This makes multi-target polymorph/seduce/etc CC chaining soooo much easier.

[nodoze]

Thank you for your thoughts. I have a feeling that your thought around just spell-cleaving instances with tactical warlocks set up around the place to speed myself up might work quite well for me as i have no hunters leveling for pet tagging etc. Luckily i already have 4 lvl 20 warlocks.

I was most worried about leveling up 4/5 shamans to 60 and the being stuck leveling 2 paladins with no real efficient boosting mechanism. I heard lvl 70 druid thorns boosting is very effective but I do not fancy leveling a druid all the way to 70. Seems i would just be better missing the hysteria of the outlands launch and grinding my team up, learning to use them properly and setting up my abilities and toolbars the way that works best for me through trial and errorI am still thinking about which faction I will go in Classic BC for my primary 5box team which will definitely be Paladin+4Shaman like I did from BC->WoTLK...

Every one seems to be thinking that Horde Paladins are best but, If I Recall Correctly (IIRC), in BC Horde Paladins make the best Retribution Paladins but Alliance Paladins make better Tanks and possibly better healers (and I could give a shit less about Retribution as I mainly care about Paladin Tanks and Paladin healers and my 5box teams are just there to serve/feed my Paladins and my Druids)...

That being said, while Alliance Paladins make a better 5box/raid tank, I think the Horde radials for the 4 Shaman will lead to faster dungeon clears so there are trade-offs...

Since I already have multiple Paladins at cap in Classic for me staying Alliance is just a matter of, at Classic BC launch, 5box spell cleave leveling up a team including 4+ shaman to 60 and then going Paladin+4Shaman from 60-70... I will slightly miss the Classic BC launch portal hysteria and be behind other groups at least initially but maybe that is a good thing...

For me to go Horde I would have to level up Paladin+4Shaman from scratch on a new server and lose access to my current 60 Paladins, 60 Mage, & all my Warlocks and other alts... In the end if my goal remains to be the best Paladin Raid Tank and Paladin Raid Healer I can be I likely will go Alliance again...

Note all of this assumes there is no shortcuts like Faction Change in Classic BC... There shouldn't be at all in BC because, IIRC, Faction Changes only came after the WoTLK launch but if they do add it in they likely wait some time after Classic BC launch...

[strokes]

For me to go Horde I would have to level up Paladin+4Shaman from scratch on a new server and lose access to my current 60 Paladins, 60 Mage, & all my Warlocks and other alts... In the end if my goal remains to be the best Paladin Raid Tank and Paladin Raid Healer I can be I likely will go Alliance again...
I would stay alliance. In TBC, elemental is relatively unchanged levels <40 and low level dungeons should be pretty close to what they are now.

I've tried leveling feral 4x shaman in dungeons. Its not bad but it is a slog. I would argue that you could level a mage to 60 and boost 4x shamans to 60 faster than you could level purely through dungeons with ele shamans. No idea after 60.

[nodoze]

I would stay alliance. In TBC, elemental is relatively unchanged levels <40 and low level dungeons should be pretty close to what they are now.

I've tried leveling feral 4x shaman in dungeons. Its not bad but it is a slog. I would argue that you could level a mage to 60 and boost 4x shamans to 60 faster than you could level purely through dungeons with ele shamans. No idea after 60.Thanks! I already have a 60 Mage on Alliance to feed my Paladins and other characters level 55 water/food and to give my 5box teams Mage ports and dungeon resets (it is on my 6th account).

I have tried the big-pull-blizzard strats and while I got down the SM one I frankly didn't like it and went back to 5boxing... I do see the power/value but just don't enjoy it like I do 5boxing... That being said, even if I liked the big-pull-blizzard strats, I am pretty sure that gets nerfed in BC+ as AoEs have damage caps &/or diminishing returns. I don't remember exactly what was implemented when but I remember that when AoE farming on my Paladin it was best to limit pulls to around 8 mobs before issues started to kick in (and the limits may have changed some between BC and WoTLK but not sure as my memory is vague)...

If that is the case, between AoE nerfs and instance reset caps, it may be that Mage boosting 4 alts will not be optimal from Classic BC onward (which for me is irrelevant as i don't like the play-style)...

With the above in mind I will likely be 5boxing a team to cap (either Alliance or Horde) upon Classic BC launch. If I stay Alliance I will likely do one of the following:


5 Shaman;
Druid+4 Shaman (if I don't get a druid to cap before then);
Paladin+4Shaman (if I want to have 1 Draenei Paladin at cap to add to my stable of other race Paladins);
Warrior+Shaman (not likely as I already have 3 Warriors at ~40+);

[Kruschpakx4]

If you're speculating on a character copy I'd still not bother leveling that spec past 50 in classic. Just copy the 50 shamans over and enjoy wrath totems in all its glory while cutting through dungeons with no manaproblems.

[Madsage]

Can you reliably level in TBC and farm heroics as 5 shamans or is a tank required?

[nodoze]

Can you reliably level in TBC and farm heroics as 5 shamans or is a tank required?I had similar thoughts and my intuition is that 5S will be the new 4MP but I don't think it will be that much faster over a main Paladin4S as Paladins are just that much better in BC and into WoTLK.

Personally I had plenty of shaman to go 5S and tried it and various other combinations (I did up to 10s & many combinations with Shaman) but never felt 5S was any better than Paladin4S.

[boxblizzard]

shaman in tbc are crazy like pre nerf ret pala's on opening :)