Horrific Visions?

[Lyonheart]

( this the right place for this topic? )

I wanted to start a discussion about horrific visions. What comps are you using? How difficulty are they for you?

So this expansion i have stuck with my 5 prot paladins(415IL ). I'm not sure if anyone got very far in dungons with this set up, but I cant get them to do enough DPS when time matters. Like killing Thrall in my first Horrific Vision. They have great survivability, obviously, but even though i topped of my sanity before i engaged Thrall, they all died ( at full health ) when sanity maxed out lol. Ill be trying 5 hunters ( just at 400IL). I still need to get cloaks for my druids and DHs and one monk.

I haven't tried ret yet. i don't have the gear for it. But man.. the hunters seem to have crazy dps for their item level..and its pretty easy dps to manage. Not sure what comp ill go with, i don't have the time to do HVs with several teams and all the dailies, assaults needed to buy the vials for them. So i want to eventually stick with one team for HVs and dungons. Yes, that means giving up my 5 prot pals ..they were so great in last expansion!

[Ellay]

Actually this is a great discussion because with all the affix's that rotate, this is going to be a complicated dungeon, but lots of fun!

For the most part if your trying to use multiple teams I would just do the assault and skip all of the dailies. The assault has all the visions in it, were the dailies while they do add up are very time consuming. You can hypothetically knock out each assault in 15-20 min, and it would be 2x on Server reset and then 1x more on Friday to the weekend. So An hour a week for each team?

These dungeons do seem to be tuned for higher ilvl, considering just beating the last boss for the first time awards a 420 piece. Then if you do boss + 2 side items it's a 430 piece. So you'll want overall a decent set, but!! next week starts the new season and while the dungeons are harder all of the Mythic 0 will be baseline ilvl 430. So getting your team up shouldn't be too hard.

Onto the comps.

I've tried a main trinity Tank/3x Hunter/Healer, in my case Prot Paladin/Resto shaman and it went fine for DPS. The first 2 runs I did just Thrall, and the third run I tried out one side item and then did Thrall. It felt ok. My ilvl is 430~ across the team and I'm pretty sure I couldn't have done an additional at this time. I did take it slow and easy though and it looks like you'll need to pull multiple packs at the same time to be efficient so AoE is going to be important.

The affix's are brutal for our layout so far that I've experienced so some tactics are going to need to be developed.

I'm currently going to try out a 5x Druid combo inside and I think this team might be quite strong. It has stealth and that enables quite a bit of progression.

[Lyonheart]

What i meant by not having time to do everything on all teams is i am playing other games as well.. so my wow time is limited. So i want to find a comp that is easiest to do the visions on..and just stick with that..as well as some dungons. For healers at 120 i have a paly..druid and monk so far. I could boost a shamy if needed. one of my prot pals will be the tank. So Prot Pal tank..3 hunters and ? healer hehe.

I died on my 5 hunters before i got to thrall..mostly from not spreading out and getting the whole team one shotted by some aoe. I went back in solo with each hunter and it was very easy.

[Ellay]

Ahh. You know.. all of those healers seem really strong. I'm not sure why I like the Resto Shaman so much - it just fits for me but that comp will be solid.

Gonna try the Druids today and report back.

[Lyonheart]

Ahh. You know.. all of those healers seem really strong. I'm not sure why I like the Resto Shaman so much - it just fits for me but that comp will be solid.

Gonna try the Druids today and report back.

i miss my shaman team ..it was my team from BC>WoD ( thanks to you lol ) I might boost my resto sham just for old times sake! love CH 8)

[Ellay]

Appreciate it :) It's good memories and I miss it too.

I just did the first vision to Thrall, went ok - the movement makes DPS suffer quite a bit for Balance Druids.
Second vision I also did the Valley of the Spirits and it went decently quick but again the movement was brutal.
Still unsure which team is overall stronger for these. The good news is you only get limited tries so I'll just end up doing both each week.

[WOWBOX40]

i found it easiest to play with three, got a couple keybind that allow me to spread two of them, then i move with the "main" freely. So we end up like a triangle shape. You have to spread them, or else the big circle aoe that appear around each character will remove the sanity and health extremely fast. i did this around 370 ilvl++ and it was pretty smooth sailing to the boss. Trashmobs "barely" did a dent, if i avoided the mechanincs. 1 healer/dps + 2 dps, was what i used. Just walked along the leftmost side in orgrimar, took out those few mobs and then the two bigger guards by the door leading in to the bossroom.

[Lyonheart]

i found it easiest to play with three, got a couple keybind that allow me to spread two of them, then i move with the "main" freely. So we end up like a triangle shape. You have to spread them, or else the big circle aoe that appear around each character will remove the sanity and health extremely fast. i did this around 370 ilvl++ and it was pretty smooth sailing to the boss. Trashmobs "barely" did a dent, if i avoided the mechanincs. 1 healer/dps + 2 dps, was what i used. Just walked along the leftmost side in orgrimar, took out those few mobs and then the two bigger guards by the door leading in to the bossroom.

i just did it solo on all my toons ( paladins and hunters) it only took about an hour to do all 10. But 3 sounds better.. im just afraid to try anymore than solo now because of losing that chance at an upgrade. I just reformed my 5 man into prot paly, holy paly+3 hunters for now..im thinking of boosting a resto sham and gearing him up for 5mans..well see.

[Fat Tire]

Sweet spot seems to be 2-3 for me and I have been anticipating Torgahst in shadowlands will be much the same.

[Ellay]

So I went and tried one of the Lost zones to give it a shot and the affix causing a disorient is insane. There's not a good way to play around it, your team is just in constant flux of being disoriented. So I pulled out and finished Thrall to get the upgrade but that one is gonna be rough.


This also seems to favor going with less, with memento upgrades such as doing 15% more damage while solo compared to 3% more while in a full group.

[Ellay]

So trial and error... don’t do like I did and pick the left side which gives damage bonus but is lessened with the more players you have in the group.
I didn’t realize the other side stacked and is insanely good for us. Each rank gives 50 insanity to the entire group. With a full 5 person group that brings your base insanity level from 1000 to 1750 (almost double!) .
Needless to say I feel a bit behind now and am going to work on that section now.

[Ellay]

I've run a few of these now and the mechanics are sometimes beyond insane. It may come down to the same method as Mythic+ weeks, where if the affix's are just too offensive to just not do that week. Or do a low key.
From my observation Org felt easier than Stormwind. Alleria is a bit annoying and cancels out melee specs with the aoe move that you need to hide from, it could also just be the affix this week was brutal for a stacked team.

Beyond that, a full clear of all 4 locations + the boss rewards 445 loot. Which is what I am already getting doing Mythic +6. Adding in the masks and doing a full clear will increase the ilvl by 5 per mask. The overall scaling difficulty of this doesn't feel like it coincides with the rewards that Mythic + offers.

Each Mask is 20% more hp and damage from mobs, so in order to get the equivalent of a +10 Mythic + reward I would need to do 2 masks and a full clear. I just don't see that being feasible with a full group setup, and potentially we'll just need to run these solo to be realistic.

I'm also not saying Mythic + is easy as well, but I did run a +7 and it felt fine in Mechagon which is definitely harder than other tiers.

End result of my thoughts on this, these Horiffic Visions reward you for dodging mechanics, as some of them cause massive sanity drain. Sometimes we just can't dodge things when a character has their own unique thing to move from in a different changing direction.
So my end goal for now is to just do what I can as a group to level up my cloak and when that hits a wall I'll run them solo to do it.

[Fat Tire]

So my end goal for now is to just do what I can as a group to level up my cloak and when that hits a wall I'll run them solo to do it.

Since I only play 3 this is how I look at horiffic visions as well. I dont enjoying banging my head against the wall for an unlimited amount of time. Since my main enjoyment is pvp, I usually just buy +10s runs or this season I may buy +15s. Although, maybe I have seen enough of 8.3 and will just wait until beta.

[Lyonheart]

i have found that my hunters own these HVs solo. My goal is to get my main team as high of a cloak as i can and at some point just focus on my 3 hunters. I enjoy it with them.

[Ellay]

I just did horrific visions with the whole team in Org and did both corrupted zones + thrall, and finished with a ton of time left. The cloak getting upgraded and adding Expansive Mind 3/3 is huge. Once you get more momentos Elite Extermination will be helpful as well.
Because I had so much time left after clearing 2 wings I tried one of the Lost zones and the affix was just too much. Split personality is basically a no go.
I'm happy with the progress though of not having to run it solo and I've maxed out my cloak at Rank 8 which is as high as I can go and I will just bank the rest of these vials for now.

[Purpleflavor]

this is some great info ty

i got wrecked on my solo enhance vs Thrall. Fastest ive seen my Earth Ele die so far. I'm only enhance because i have infinite stars on my enhance weapons. I'm probably going to go in as 3's and 2's on my pally team after reading this.

[Andreauk]

I just run them all solo.. it's not worth the trouble otherwise.

[Lyonheart]

As your cloak level increases and the drain gets lower, it becomes easier to box it. When all my cloaks hit 5 on my two paly+3hunters team, i did my first 5 man run. I only did the side wing because i was learning how to play a team for the first time, but I got all my cloaks to level 6. I can see it getting easier each cloak upgrade. Your insanity loss is slow. However, once you start needing the hard areas to upgrade your cloak..not looking forward to that. It is nice to be able to knock out the runs on a team instead of solo, due to needing to be in the visions longer.

[Ellay]

I still need to do more testing but huge gameplay change for these.

Decided to go as 5x Boomkin, the mobs hit for a lot less and the run was overall much easier.
I'm wondering if I go 5x Resto if it'll cause the mobs to scale even lower in hp but not sure if I can get the damage higher.
So if you can don't run with a tank from what I can tell.

[Lyonheart]

I still need to do more testing but huge gameplay change for these.

Decided to go as 5x Boomkin, the mobs hit for a lot less and the run was overall much easier.
I'm wondering if I go 5x Resto if it'll cause the mobs to scale even lower in hp but not sure if I can get the damage higher.
So if you can don't run with a tank from what I can tell.

hmm..didnt think about that..so 5xHoly pals!?

[Ellay]

Just did 2 Corrupted and 1 Lost zone + boss in Orgrimmar with avg ilvl of 445. The affix's were not kind but at least it was doable.

[Wubsie]

Just did my first 4 chest run on the paladins. Split Personality is a massive pain and can definitely cause a wipe, so a bit of luck is required. I find Orgrimmar is by far the easier instance (for this team anyways) and of the 2 Split Personality zones Valley of Honor with Rexxar is tremendously easier. A few chances to get one shot there while disoriented, but not quite as many.

https://www.dual-boxing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2293&stc=1
Sadly even a 4 chest only rewarded me with 2 Torn Pages, so I'm not convinced it is worth the extra effort and risk.


*EDIT* Oh, guess Ellay and I were more or less in sync here. :D

[Ellay]

I think you're ahead! :) What ilvl is the team did you have elite extermination by chance?

Edit* doh I thought 4 chest meant full clear, but the boss gives you one too! Still extremely impressive with Split personality.
On my Druids I ended up just pulling a chunk and then standing still and eating the damage instead of trying to move. Though it didn't work properly on some.

[Lyonheart]

Dang Wubsie! i think i gave up on my rets too soon.. i really love the team.. i had been playing 5 prots..but prot DPS is not great. I did ret for a bit.. but im guessing my ilevel was low and my talent choices and rotation management needs help. My prot spec out DPSd my rets, which should not be the case!

Anyways, Great job!

[Andreauk]

You guys should try Holy Paladins.. they are very strong in visions from what I have been reading.

Plus the health reduction of mobs.

[Ellay]

From what I have gathered ( I need to test but don't want to waste a vial yet) is that the reduction is only for solo play.

[Wubsie]

I think you're ahead! :) What ilvl is the team did you have elite extermination by chance?
I'm around 447 on average. And I do have that perk on most of them I believe. The researches are a bit all over the place because I'm having the issue where the talent trees are in wildly different orders for no apparent reason...



Edit* doh I thought 4 chest meant full clear, but the boss gives you one too! Still extremely impressive with Split personality.
On my Druids I ended up just pulling a chunk and then standing still and eating the damage instead of trying to move. Though it didn't work properly on some.

Tanking damage is problematic for a melee team, since you often end up rather stacked up after repositioning and a lot of the big hits happen to be AOE stuff that'll insta-gib your whole team. This is why the disorient is especially nasty. Some of the large mobs have hit boxes big enough to be more forgiving though.



Dang Wubsie! i think i gave up on my rets too soon.. i really love the team.. i had been playing 5 prots..but prot DPS is not great. I did ret for a bit.. but im guessing my ilevel was low and my talent choices and rotation management needs help. My prot spec out DPSd my rets, which should not be the case!

Anyways, Great job!
I genuinely enjoy this team. That being said they do hit some really, really annoying walls as far as mechanics at times. So many dead keystones.... Still, beats playing a team that is "strong", but I can't stand. ;)

[Ellay]

Your last quote, playing a team you like is the most important part I think.
That's what has prevented me so far in my theorycrafting about the paladins is the dead keys.

[MadMilitia]

The group penalty on each mob per wowhead is ~115% to ~120% which is actually massive. A full 5 man crew is doing the work of 6.

When you throw in the visual diarrhea and the constant re positioning required these are just not going to be fun to 5 box. Even 2 box will be rather challenging as 2 will be doing the work of 2.5 potentially.

I guess if you want assaults to go faster then more is better but that's about it. To me anyway it makes sense to LFG the assault and solo or dual box the vision.

[Lyonheart]

The group penalty on each mob per wowhead is ~115% to ~120% which is actually massive. A full 5 man crew is doing the work of 6.

When you throw in the visual diarrhea and the constant re positioning required these are just not going to be fun to 5 box. Even 2 box will be rather challenging as 2 will be doing the work of 2.5 potentially.

I guess if you want assaults to go faster then more is better but that's about it. To me anyway it makes sense to LFG the assault and solo or dual box the vision.

in the later ranks of the cloak.. doing it multiple times ( full clears ) would take a crazy amount of time if you do it solox5

[MadMilitia]

in the later ranks of the cloak.. doing it multiple times ( full clears ) would take a crazy amount of time if you do it solox5

I've no doubt. Which is why I'm scaling back my multiboxing commitments for dual boxing. I think the visions will be way more manageable then.

[Ellay]

So I had streamed it tonight but for whatever reason saving the streams for up to 14 days wasn’t on. So I can’t show you but I just did a 3 zone clear with an entire orb left at the end.
if elite extermination works for the entire group the a full clear is definitely doable with my current gear. I made some incorrect choices on the mementos so I’m 3 slots behind being able to purchase it but I should be able to in the next few days. Org is also way better than SW for progression.

[MadMilitia]

Can confirm once I ditched my locks and just dual boxed my last vision it was incredibly easy. No cloak upgrades and could have easily done more than I did. Thoughts immediately are the locks were adding a huge amount of HP without equating that to damage because of the amount of movement I had to put on them to survive.

[Ellay]

They just made some changes I didn't see on 2/14.
Reduced the health of enemies for groups of 2 or more that include at least 1 healer.
This will help make the situation a bit more viable. I also noticed that the mobs don't hit as hard (but it could be just my gear going up slightly).

I finally got Elite Extermination on all of my characters and hope to try out a run today/tomorrow and see if I can do a full clear. It should be doable/possible for Org at this point. Unsure on SW.

[Ellay]

Here's a video.. it has some pretty bad mistakes in it. Example - using an orb to res one of my characters in the wrong spot. I made the most of it though and still pulled off the W for what I was trying to do.
At the end I realized I didn't have enough sanity on 2 of my characters to finish the last boss, so I let their sanity drain and then res'd them with a different character..I was surprised it worked.

https://youtu.be/707hTqIZpjg

[Ellay]

Just did a FULL CLEAR in Stormwind!!! Video will be up tomorrow. Breaking barriers!!!

[Wubsie]

Great job, Ellay! Not sure if US/Eu are in sync in this regard but the "affixes" seemed a lot better in SW this week. Might have to push it myself, but I'm not sure if it'll be fast enough for a full clear.

[Ellay]

Here is the Full Clear video.

https://youtu.be/1CEQWXAC_Yk

The affixes were definitely more favorable this week. As you can see at the end of the run I had basically a full entire bar left so I'm excited to try adding some masks. I think a few of the easier ones are doable in this situation.
Having Elite Extermination was really the game changer. I had read previously that it only worked for whoever got the killing blow, but the whole team gets the reward. On this run I also had purchased the instant res back to 500 sanity - but never had to use it. So even further wiggle room.
From the beginning of this thread to now I feel like I've done a complete 180 on this and it seems more doable as time goes on. Having the cloak upgrade over time definitely doesn't hurt and will open this up for more comps as well.

Edit** On the full twitch vod last night this was my third try. The first run I realized this is actually doable - but had no idea how some of the encounters worked - such as opening the door with 2 characters, and I didn't know the route for the mage quarter, so I looked that up.
Second run I feel like I hit some kind of bug, the corrupted oozes on the ground instant killed all 3 of my hunters somehow right in the beginning of the run.
Third time was a charm though.

[Ellay]

I did the run last night using an all Druid DPS comp, I thought I did a full clear but I forgot to click a couple of cages in the trade district!! So technically it is and it isn't a full clear but either way it's doable with different formats. The hunter pets are definitely way more valuable. You can see on the boss in the Mage quarter I had to split my team to stop the mechanics where the pets just have to run up to the boss and it breaks it, trivializing the fight.

Here is the video:
https://youtu.be/eIjkraHLwZw

[Lyonheart]

This will help!

UPDATED 2:45 p.m. PST Monday, February 24We’re working on a set of hotfixes to the game that should streamline upgrading your Legendary cloak via Horrific Visions.
We now have some specifics to outline. Once again, these changes will come into effect with scheduled weekly maintenance:
Coalescing Visions


Visions of N’Zoth Daily Quests now reward 50% more Coalescing Visions.
The main N’Zoth Threat now rewards 2500 Coalescing Visions (in addition to a Vessel of Horrific Visions).
Lesser Threats now reward 6500 Coalescing Visions.

Quests to Increase Cloak Rank


For Rank 13, the Quest now requires 4 Torn Pages (was 6).
For Rank 14, the Quest now requires 6 Torn Pages (was 12).
For Rank 15, the Quest now requires 8 Torn Pages (was 18).

Posted previously–


Coalescing Visions now drop in higher numbers from Assaults and Daily Quests.
The Unique(5) inventory cap on Vessel of Horrific Visions has been removed, allowing you to carry as many Vessels as you like.
Up to 4 Torn Pages of “Fear and Flesh” quest items can now drop in Horrific Visions from objectives on the rank 7-11 Legendary cloak upgrade quests (was a max of 2).

You’ll need to clear more than two sides areas in one run to get more than two pages. The rank 13-15 quests will still drop a max of 2 pages, only from Lost Area objectives.


These updates will go into effect with weekly maintenance (Tuesday, February 25 in this region).

[Ellay]

Loving those changes I see!!
This week's Rank 12 cloak is gonna be awesome with that stat proc on the cloak. 1.25 proc per minute we're looking at a 30% or better uptime on that thing.

I intended to use my last vessel to get more masks, but after beating the first boss realized I could go further. Had I known it would of gone this smooth I should of went for a full clear using the hardest mask (You have 50% sanity)! but I 4 chested it and was super happy with the result. I also got an easier mask in the process. So my goal this week is to full clear Org with a mask.
I'm also talking in it.. hopefully it sounds ok - still working out the setup.

Here is the Video:
https://youtu.be/AurjD47YRIM

[Ellay]

With the weekly reset switching over to Org. I did a full run with no masks for a full clear.
Things to note. Upgrading to rank 12 now should be a massive increase in dps across the board from reports I am reading on the wow forums. Additionally even getting to rank 11 you have 65% sanity resistance which is also a huge game changer and opens up the doors for this not just being the optimal group comp.

On this run I had what felt like an excessive amount of extra sanity at the end of the run which has me excited for the rest of the week when I start adding masks! The madness affix I had never experienced yet (causes you to run in fear, is definitely an avoidable mechanic and is "doable" for our setup. The only side issue and you can see in my clip is that the fear causes you to run into situations where you get stuck on objects or in an area you can't get out of. Luckily both times it happened on my run, I got re-feared out of the stuck location.
You can see the video here:
https://youtu.be/u_TAgPen6HU

[Ellay]

Sorry to spam this further. I wanted to go over the Madness affixes and give my rankings on how difficult they are for our community. Once I try out more of the masks this week I'll give a ranking of those too.

The Twisted areas:
This is the initial zone you start in and these are all not too big of an issue:
Desynchronized (easy): Either a slow or a haste, make sure if your main has the haste that you don't lose your followers when navigating as some of them will be slowed.
Bloodthirsty (easy): This is an aoe damage move that will also hurt your team, it doesn't do enough damage to spread it out apart - to maximize it's potential try to be in melee range to also hit mobs with it.
Promised Power(easy): I had ignored this one for a while but didn't realize if you don't touch it. You get hit with a 10% damage debuff. So if you noticed your dps is close this may be worth going out of the way for.

Corrupted Areas:
Entomophobia(easy/medium): On a mobile team this is a non issue, on a non mobile team it starts to hurt your DPS. At 5 stacks if you don't jump your character starts running. It's not the worst thing in the world if this happens but try to jump by stack #4.
Dark Delusions(easy): image of yourself will walk to you slowly and stun you, you can't see if your teammates have one on them to my knowledge - it's a 4 second stun and I've just mainly ignored it so far as trying to keep up with it for the net gain didn't seem worth it.
Scorched Feet(medium/hard): This is the worst of the bunch, absolutely brutal for our setup. It doesn't really do too much damage to you, but the spawns are all over the place. For a group setting they really need to reduce the size of the pools like they did with the faceless mask that does similar effects.

Lost Areas:
Split Personality(hard): Probably the most annoying/difficult one of the bunch. My current tactic is to literally turn into a tank and pull to my spot while trying not to move much. The affix goes off very frequently and the disorient causes your characters to look in all directions, causes you to hit /follow or IWT to get them back on track. On top of all of this, you can only see your characters mechanic, the rest is hidden.
Leaden Foot(easy): I really like this affix, it's extremely annoying potentially for an all melee comp but for ranged it's very manageable. When doing mechanics try to move as little as possible.
Haunting Shadows(medium): I was very concerned with this affix, but after experiencing it I dropped the difficulty. There is a big blue swirly on the ground that the entire group can see. Make sure you move your team out - they also seem to trigger at the same time as others. Getting feared is rough but it's a short duration fear.


With only 2 of them being considered hard, most weeks should be ok. When adding the double Affix mask though - going to need to come up with strategies to mitigate as much as possible.

Conclusion as well, when you max out your cloak at rank 15. The sanity drain reduction is 80% which should allow for additional room to get us clears.

[Lyonheart]

Thank you Ellay for the great posts and info!

[Ellay]

So I thought the masks were going to be hard but I didn't realize how hard!
I was able to do a full clear with 1 Mask (Dark Imagination) and it went overall pretty smooth. I would say this is potentially the easiest mask of the bunch.
Here is the video:
https://youtu.be/AUbcBKlc0jo

I then added what I thought would be the second easiest mask (Burned Bridge) but it could potentially be one of the hardest after seeing how it operates.
It spawns pools under your feet when you move. The big problem I found was even if you move your followers in unison out of the path of your main and try to setup shop. You'll end up getting a pool under the entire group from one of the followers somehow. So what ended up happening the entire run was I literally have to be moving the whole time. The only way I was able to break this craziness was to mount up on the group mount and then when I got to a spot - dismount and they were ok for that brief moment.
With all of that said. I think a 2 mask with this one included is doable. There were plenty of mistakes on my run and trying to figure everything out. I wiped on Thrall at 13%! (ran out of sanity) and if you watch the video of this, his entire room is just filled to the brim with all kinds of crap. It's one giant hodge podge of goop everywhere!
Here is the 2 mask failboat:
https://youtu.be/2tWhwHWrXAE
Once I get some more practice we should see better results. For now I'm going to try a different set to 2 mask using the 400% more sanity damage. This means mechanics have to be played better but at least I can form my team and get some heals off.
If/When I get the 2 mask down, I'll probably add the double madness affix depending on how it looks per week.

[omegared]

here is a video with tips on clearing faster and easier, for example i didnt know about the potions in the visions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz9yDZQ2zqs

[Lyonheart]

here is a video with tips on clearing faster and easier, for example i didnt know about the potions in the visions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz9yDZQ2zqs

out of everything.. the trick of putting down the orb and pulling a bunch of mobs to it is my fav..i thought combat would stop the sanity regin! But the buffs are sweet as well!

[Ellay]

So Scorched earth is back on the menu this week and wooo boy is it ridiculous. I think I'm changing the difficulty of that one to medium -high as it scatters your team constantly unless you stand still, but if you add more difficulty you can't stand still.
I ran 3 1x mask runs last night to upgrade my cloak to rank 14 on my main team and was overall finishing very fast but even with that noted a 2 mask completion still feels like an uphill battle that is doable but complications are high.
My thoughts are the +400% sanity damage drain should be the next easiest or the double affix would be depending on the week.

[nobodyz]

so i've got my team (prot pally, 2x ele shaman, 1x discipine prist, 1x arcane mage) and @ ilvl 430.. tried 2x visions and died horribly...
is my gear lvl not enough?

[Ellay]

It’s very dependent on your cloak rank. The first few ranks you just want to head straight to the boss and finish it to rank up.
it starts off at 25% sanity reduction and at max rank 15 it’s 80% so you’re able to stay in the vision a lot longer. Additionally the ranks you upgrade with moments help even further to a drastic amount.
so don’t be discourage too much.

[nobodyz]

the furthest i went was killed the 2 guard before the boss and lost my sanity and ported out..
tried a total of 3x now.. gonna farm more vessels and try again..
i think i missed the cloak upgrade quest.. (maybe) gotta try again.. cloak stil at lv 1 ..

[Lyonheart]

the furthest i went was killed the 2 guard before the boss and lost my sanity and ported out..
tried a total of 3x now.. gonna farm more vessels and try again..
i think i missed the cloak upgrade quest.. (maybe) gotta try again.. cloak stil at lv 1 ..

I soloed the first boss on each toon until i upgraded my cloak to 5-6 and had some upgrades from mementos as well. Grouping became easier after rank 6-7 for me. Solo is way easy for pretty much any class..just takes longer for us. It's also a good way to learn the mechanics of each area/mob/boss before you add team members to runs.

[nobodyz]

I soloed the first boss on each toon until i upgraded my cloak to 5-6 and had some upgrades from mementos as well. Grouping became easier after rank 6-7 for me. Solo is way easy for pretty much any class..just takes longer for us. It's also a good way to learn the mechanics of each area/mob/boss before you add team members to runs.

never solo-ed before.. i guess i'll try.. reach the boss in sw.. but the boss skill ko-ed my team :)

[Andreauk]

On my Pala tank Disc Priest and x3 Hunters I just unlocked visions on them - was 420 ilvl. I failed the first one, but then bought the orb upgrade, then managed to go straight to boss after first trash and get my cloak to 5 on all by repeating.

Trapping one of the guards was key for me.

Also I get reduced health in there by having one healer in the group. Upgraded to give the group more sanity as it stacks on all.

[Ellay]

So I ran a few more dungeons this week to rank up my cloak and after you have enough momentos to get the last trait on the bar the dungeon becomes even cleaner. I was able to do a full no mask run using no orbs and my sanity bar almost completely filled.
The buff preventing sanity drain for 20 seconds and increasing your haste by 50% is insane, it procs often and the dps boost is lovely.

I need to now try some of the masks in conjunction - but it's just adding layer of frustration and less fun :) I'm about 3 runs away from having my cloak at rank 15, netting a total of 80% sanity reduction. This should give some pretty strong wiggle room for bad play.

[nobodyz]

I wont say my boxing skill is good, maybe below average at best.. Esp, when i need to deal with fear or skills that need to run around/split the team apart.. almost certainly i will wipe..

how do you guys deal with the stormwind vision boss? there's a skill where it gives u some time to hide behind pillar, else you will die.. almost always, i die, at best survive once.... T_T

[Punix]

I wont say my boxing skill is good, maybe below average at best.. Esp, when i need to deal with fear or skills that need to run around/split the team apart.. almost certainly i will wipe..

how do you guys deal with the stormwind vision boss? there's a skill where it gives u some time to hide behind pillar, else you will die.. almost always, i die, at best survive once.... T_T

I thought this one would be easy as all toons simply need to follow the leader behind the pillar?! (havent boxxed it myself).
All you need is follow and unfollow bound to keys.
Run with your leader a bit further behind the pillar and let toons follow (so that all toons are positioned correctly), then unbreak follow and backtrack a bit with your leader.

[Ellay]

That's correct, you're able to dodge it with follow if you treat your team like a big ol tractor trailer and make wide turns.
The additional difficulty is she gets an added ability from the old town boss where there is an eye that moves around, if you are facing it, it drains sanity and does damage. So while dodging and moving behind pillars you also need to make sure you don't look at the eye.

[nobodyz]

hmm ok.. guess i might try again.. after few days of vision.. i lost my sanity.. and stopped visions..
now with 100% xp buff.. i'm trying to get as many different teams up to 120 as possible.. lol..
just done with 5x druid.. now doing war,priest, 3 hunter..

[Qasaar]

so, Im still working on my team but I figured that you experienced boxers will know. I will be running Guardian Druid, Resto shaman and 3x Hunters. The druid is actually my main, 465 rank 15 cloak and pretty good corruption. Im easily clearing 3 mask with plenty sanity left as Balance.

Can I "boost" the rest of my team? Clear as long as possible and then finish the full clear with a single mask, to get them as many mementos as fast as possible?

[Ellay]

As a follow up. I did a 2 mask full clear last night. Using -50% sanity (considered the hardest for solo players) and the (400% increased damage sanity damage).
its interesting how these play out.
On a good week with the right affixes I feel like a 4 mask is within reason and doable and potentially if well geared 5 is not out of the question and this could be obtainable before the expac is done.

[Lyonheart]

As a follow up. I did a 2 mask full clear last night. Using -50% sanity (considered the hardest for solo players) and the (400% increased damage sanity damage).
its interesting how these play out.
On a good week with the right affixes I feel like a 4 mask is within reason and doable and potentially if well geared 5 is not out of the question and this could be obtainable before the expac is done.

Which team?

[Ellay]

5 Druids, here is the video.

https://youtu.be/9Fh9Wjs7jcM

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Just did the run with Holy trinity setup Prot Pal/3 bm hunter/Resto shaman with 2 mask full clear. It felt easier on this setup.

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3 Mask full Clear. Done!!!!

The best part was all of the items were good upgrades too. I'm not outgearing this content as my ilvl is right around 455-458 on this team.

The hardest mask -50% sanity reduction is actually not the hardest for us.

Trying to decide on the 4th mask to use now, between burned bridge/double affix.
Burned bridge is probably doable on on non leaden foot weeks.

Sadly I didn't get this win on recording. I did take a screenshot though :)

[Lyonheart]

Ellay, Your control is pro! The Hivemind mount seems to make some things easier..like when your druids get tossed off the boardwalk. when that happens to me.. gathering back up is a pita. I am still amazed at your dps as well. My druids are 440ish atm. They are wonderful for everything in the open world.. but i still suck in dungons and visions. I'm so impressed by what is possible. I just hope in shadowlands, they are still great! Thanks for your Vids!

[Ellay]

By what has been revealed so far for Shadowlands, Druids should still be just as strong. Thanks for the kind words :) My playtime also isn't too crazy. I think if we had a multiboxer / raider who had a main that is super well geared we'd see even better results.

[StephenMB]

By what has been revealed so far for Shadowlands, Druids should still be just as strong. Thanks for the kind words :) My playtime also isn't too crazy. I think if we had a multiboxer / raider who had a main that is super well geared we'd see even better results.
Watched your videos, good stuff. I am running ProtWar/Dru/Hun/Hun/Hun and just focusing on gearing them... but every time I watch your videos I get SO tempted to boost 5 Druids lol. After the time you have spent on druids, it would be hard for you to play other setups I bet since Druids are so diverse.

[Ellay]

My 3 mask clear was Prot Pal/Resto Sham/3x BM hunter. I just finished both of there cloaks today so it's at rank 15 on each team. I tried to do BFA initially with 5 druids at the beginning of the expansion but they were pretty weak.
Your comp should be pretty strong as well, potentially even better if you can get the druid heals down well. War tank is considered #1 right now :)

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To satiate my curiosity. I ran a 4 mask run as a solo Prot Paladin and while I won’t say it was super easy. It was in a completely different league than what we are dealing with in difficulty. I made it through fine, and it was quite relaxing as mechanics as a solo player are easy mode.

So anyone here that is able to power through this and rank up / progress as a team. Your doing an amazing job. We are definitely making it harder on us. Because at the same time I don’t have the stomach to run my team through it one at a time either :)

[Ellay]

Ran a 5 mask solo, finished it on first try. Used BM Hunter. Ugh I can't bear to think running this x5 or x10 each week solo on each char but the 470 ilvl upgrades are nice.
This week is Stormwind which is a bit harder than Org and the affix's are bad.

[Ellay]

4 Masks Full Group complete!!!!
Zone - Org.
Difficulty - stupid hard.

[Ellay]

Realized I never posted a 3 mask clear because I wasn't streaming. This was a sloppy Stormwind 3 mask clear. Goes to show you just how ridiculous the split personality affix is.

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[Ellay]

Made sure I was recording this time for a 4 Mask Full Clear.

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I'll probably try at some point for a 5 mask full clear but I think I need to have slightly better gear, but the most important part is making sure the affixes align.
I don't think it's doable with Split Personality being active, which is a bit tough due to one of the masks giving you 2 out of the 3 possible affixes. Additionally Org is easier to complete than Stormwind, so the stars need to align for a no Split Personality on an Org week, which hypothetically should happen once every 6 weeks.

[Ellay]

Mixing it up. Here is an All Melee team (4x Blood DK/ 1 Holy Paladin) that was able to full clear Org with only a rank 9 cloak!

Hopefully this gives more players options and strats :)

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[Ellay]

This is a 3 Mask Full Clear using all Melee in Stormwind. The last boss was a struggle, but I think it's also important to show it's not always a clean win.

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This also completes 3 different comps doing a 3 mask full clear.
A 5 mask full clear is on the radar (I should have tried on my hunter team this past week as it was optimal affixes)

[Ellay]

a 5 mask is within reach!! It's been such a long journey. This is a 4 mask full clear with the hardest affix Split Personality active. As soon as that isn't the active affix. I got a good feeling!!

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[Lyonheart]

You find it easier with a bear and 4 boomkins? i have only every tried with 5 boomkin.

[Ellay]

I actually just switched it to Tank on my last two runs because the toughest spot has been the second section with the shadowcallers. This helps keeps the packs also clumped.

[Ellay]

It's done!!! 5 Mask!!!! Even with Split Personality active. The end was rough, but it's done!!!!!

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[Lyonheart]

Awesome. Good thing about what you are doing, is i think the tower in shadowlands will be similar to these visions. I need to stop being lazy and see how far i can get. My druids are around 465 item level now with rank 12 cloaks.

[Ellay]

This was a muchhhhh cleaner run - 2 weeks later. Use this as a full 5 clear mask reference point!
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[Lyonheart]

Gratz! I tried a full clear on my druids (no masks ) and failed miserably!

[Ellay]

Adding another 5 mask full clear - this is a different comp, Prot Pal / 3x BM Hunter / Resto Shaman, showing it can be done with multiple comps :)

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[Ellay]

I think this is my final video update for this thread, this completes two different team comps doing both Stormwind and Org using a full 5 mask clear. If your planning on getting the achievement now is the time before prepatch comes in a couple months! (you can also get it solo too)

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