MMMMP AoE spec

[naitam]

So I decided to run a MMMMP and im currently lvl 30, first 30 levels have gone by fairly well.

I am currently using https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/mage/2500150300221 on 3 of the mages and https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/mage/0500150310231 on the lead mage. However I have noticed that my main mage has started to take a little too much damage and is dying quite a bit.

Now that I am lvl 30 and have prayer of healing would it be better to have all the mages take agro randomly by dropping arcane subtlety and heal with Prayer of healing as standard? Or is that another option that would work better?

(Alternatively I am happy to take other specs that people have had success with please)

Thanks

[Mercbeast]

I'd recommend you run a shatter build on your mages IMO.

If you're using ISboxer, you're using a DPS hotkey for arcane explosion I'd guess. With a shatter build, do this.

Create a keybind without a hotkey for round robin frost nova. Create an ATG for your mages, put your mages in the ATG in the order you want them to nova. Set the hotkey to automatically round robin frost nova, tell it to not pass to the next step for say 2.5s. Go into your advanced tab and tell it to reset like .5s longer than your frost nova cooldown, so that the order resets after the first characters CD is up.

Now make your arcane explosion hotkey. Step 1, call your newly made nova hotkey, Step 2, AE on all characters. Set the hotkey to advance a step when pushed, or released. Train yourself to not spam the hotkey, be deliberate. Push the hotkey, one character will nova (so long as novas are up), then release, and everyone else will AE, getting those beautiful shatter crits.

Now, work cone of cold into this, create another frost nova round robin. Use a NEW ATG for this. Inverse the order of your mages, and actually give this one a bind. We don't want to use the same order, because, we will want to typically open with nova->flamestrike->cone of cold. However, your freeze effect on nova with a full group will most likely break before you can go flamestrike->cone of cold. So, we setup to nova rotations that work from either end of your rotation! The inverse order is used to do your two biggest hitters.

So it should look like this, Inverse Nova ATG order goes Mage4(M4),M3,M2,M1. Your normal Nova ATG order is M1,M2,M3,M4.

In action, your rotation should look like, M4Nova, All Flamestrike, M3Nova, All CoC, M1Nova, All AE, All AE, M2 Nova, All AE till cleared. At least, this is what I am doing with my mage group, and it seems to work well. Pull 2 packs on lead mage, get all mobs in front of group, and go ham. It's just a lot of crits. A LOT of crits :)

People like Peregrine have run a POM build, so they can POM/Arcane Power their flame strike, but I think it's better to respec into this 50+, since you get more for your mileage with shatter through your 30's and 40's.

[naitam]

Thanks for this really detailed reply, I will defiantly be giving this a go. One question though, how do I ago about reversing the order in an ATG? Cant seem to figure it out.

[Yukzor]

So my respect bill is 30 gold now at level 38 lol since i tried all these builds. In the end i settled with POM flamestrike, heavy into arcane and some fire build. Reason being, shatter build is great but ite just way too much work especially when you pull bigger groups. Crits supposed to offset mana use but i didnt reallly notice a difference. With heavy arcane its simple....pom>flamestrike>AE and throw CoC here and there. Also i notice the mana pool difference way more than when i went shatter build with crits. By the time i POM flamestrike and AE everything was dead. With constant novas it was a pain in the butt especially since even if you really do more damage its still hard to pull more mobs than arcane due to damage taken. Just my 2c. Try them all.

[Mercbeast]

You don't really gain anything from arcane in terms of arcane effectiveness. A few minor things, but you build into those anyways.

This is the build I will run at 42. https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/mage/250005--0535020010005

This is what I will run at 45. https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/mage/250005--053502001000503

With POM, you have a, I can pull well once every 3 minutes build, and if that's what you're doing, your XP/HR is going to be tanked into the ground. Peregrine showed the way, I'm not sure if he ran a shatter build, I believe he did, but he showed that the efficient way to level in your 20's-30's-40's was to just do 6-8 mobs at a time and AE them down.

I'd be absolutely shocked if going POM first, was more efficient than going shatter first, for this kind of aoe grinding.

[Yukzor]

You don't really gain anything from arcane in terms of arcane effectiveness. A few minor things, but you build into those anyways.

This is the build I will run at 42. https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/mage/250005--0535020010005

This is what I will run at 45. https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/mage/250005--053502001000503

With POM, you have a, I can pull well once every 3 minutes build, and if that's what you're doing, your XP/HR is going to be tanked into the ground. Peregrine showed the way, I'm not sure if he ran a shatter build, I believe he did, but he showed that the efficient way to level in your 20's-30's-40's was to just do 6-8 mobs at a time and AE them down.

I'd be absolutely shocked if going POM first, was more efficient than going shatter first, for this kind of aoe grinding.

Well since late 20s and especially now at 38 and being in SM cathedral i can easily pull 6-8 as long as they are my level or lower aka yellow or green wirh arcane and PoM and still have mana to spare...with shatter build i was always hungry for mana and I only used rank 1 nova and honestly was annoying to spam nova everytime targets werent ftozen to trigger crits. Im guessing if you dont mind that it might be better?

[Mercbeast]

Well since late 20s and especially now at 38 and being in SM cathedral i can easily pull 6-8 as long as they are my level or lower aka yellow or green wirh arcane and PoM and still have mana to spare...with shatter build i was always hungry for mana and I only used rank 1 nova and honestly was annoying to spam nova everytime targets werent ftozen to trigger crits. Im guessing if you dont mind that it might be better?

I just build it into my dps macro, so that every 2.5s one of my mages uses nova instead of AE.

[Yukzor]

To add to that.....you can pull well without POM also..i lead with my priest bubble and can still use reg flamestrike for nice pulls....POM just makes it faster but also POM is great for bosses...i struggled with bosses with shatter build.


I just build it into my dps macro, so that every 2.5s one of my mages uses nova instead of AE.

Maybe that was my mistake since inhad a seperate round robin button for nova...you basically just spammed one button? That would def make it easier.

[BeefSupreme]

Merc, Would you be willing to explain out how you setup that button sequence. I'm currently running a 4m1p group and would greatly appreciate it.

[naitam]

Merc, Would you be willing to explain out how you setup that button sequence. I'm currently running a 4m1p group and would greatly appreciate it.

He did do an overview of how he did it earlier in the thread, unfortunately though I am struggling with how to set it up even with the overview.

[Mercbeast]

Create and ATG for your mages. Put them in it, in the order you want them to nova. Create a keymap, that doesn't have a keybind to activate it. Call it something like "Frost Nova Rotation". In that, create an action that outputs the hotkey you have set for frost nova in game, and sends it to all mages. Tick the round robin box. Set it to not pass for however long you want the interval between frost novas to be.

Now, create a two step keymap. In step one, select the option "kep mapped actions" and choose "do mapped key acton". Select "Frost Nova Rotation". Now in step 2, create a regular keystroke action, say arcane explosion is bound to 3. So have it output 3 to all mages.

Now, you have a DPS rotation, that is calling another keymap, and that keymap is doing a round robin with your mages frost nova. Say you set the round robin do not pass to 3s. The first time you hit the hotkey, 1 mage will frost nova. Then all mages will AE and will AE until 3s has passed, then another mage will frost nova, then all mages will AE.

[Battleshrimp]

Create and ATG for your mages. Put them in it, in the order you want them to nova. Create a keymap, that doesn't have a keybind to activate it. Call it something like "Frost Nova Rotation". In that, create an action that outputs the hotkey you have set for frost nova in game, and sends it to all mages. Tick the round robin box. Set it to not pass for however long you want the interval between frost novas to be.

Now, create a two step keymap. In step one, select the option "kep mapped actions" and choose "do mapped key acton". Select "Frost Nova Rotation". Now in step 2, create a regular keystroke action, say arcane explosion is bound to 3. So have it output 3 to all mages.

Now, you have a DPS rotation, that is calling another keymap, and that keymap is doing a round robin with your mages frost nova. Say you set the round robin do not pass to 3s. The first time you hit the hotkey, 1 mage will frost nova. Then all mages will AE and will AE until 3s has passed, then another mage will frost nova, then all mages will AE.

Are you putting both of these key maps in Combat Broadcast?

[Mercbeast]

Are you putting both of these key maps in Combat Broadcast?

Custom keymaps.

[Battleshrimp]

Custom keymaps.

Cheers :D

[naitam]

Just want to say, I tried this tonight and it works way better than what I was previously doing, Thanks

[Battleshrimp]

Just want to say, I tried this tonight and it works way better than what I was previously doing, Thanks

Another thing: is this doable without using the pro setup? Can't seem to get it to work properly. ONE of the mages novas once in a blue moon.

[balton]

Guys, whats is a better team: Priest and 4 mages or paladin and 4 mages?

[Mercbeast]

I'm doing paladin atm. I think most people lean towards priest because of prayer of healing + shields + fort.

However. Once mages get ice barrier, they have their own shield. Paladin also brings a lot of the table. Amplify magic makes flash of light just stupidly effective. Paladins also have more "oh shit" buttons imo. I also already have a 60 priest on that account so, Paladin was the obvious choice :)

[balton]

so you use a frost build... I think use blizzard with the slaves is very hard

[brwn253]

Hi I'm running MMMMP and am conflicted here. The guide calls for POM first which I'm following but I'm reading that Shatter is better.. Has anyone tried both and can chime in? I do have the frost nova built in with the arcane explosions (though, I can't seem to get it to trigger when pressed or released, just when pressed). I will eventually try shatter build for myself but since I've already respeced I haven't collected enough gold for that yet..

Also looking for how you guys are pulling. Right now I'm in the shimmering flats going from 28-30 and I'm using CS on round robin and wand to pull. Is there a more effective strategy? Any tips here?

Thanks!

[filthyfrank]

Hi I'm running MMMMP and am conflicted here. The guide calls for POM first which I'm following but I'm reading that Shatter is better.. Has anyone tried both and can chime in? I do have the frost nova built in with the arcane explosions (though, I can't seem to get it to trigger when pressed or released, just when pressed). I will eventually try shatter build for myself but since I've already respeced I haven't collected enough gold for that yet..

Also looking for how you guys are pulling. Right now I'm in the shimmering flats going from 28-30 and I'm using CS on round robin and wand to pull. Is there a more effective strategy? Any tips here?

Thanks!

Honestly i have just been doing dungeons ever since RFC, i usually 'test pull' to see how much mobs my mage can tank and how fast i can nuke them. Over on ISBoxer discord many people said that shatter isnt really worth it so ive never really specced into it

[Drakhoun]

I am running WMMMP build. I have been stacking ‘of the eagle’ gear on my mages, put on the priest fortitude buff on everyone, went deep arcane spec to get the spell crit, priest went deep discipline for the spell crit and has Holy Nova, i also put on 2 points in frost spec for the frost armor upgrade.

With this build, my warrior run and gather mobs, then demo shout twice, then i spam AE and Holy Nova. I use flash heal when necessary. The mob goes down fast and i rinse and repeat.

This is a rather lazy build. All you have to is spam 1-2 buttons. You dont have to bother with POM/shatter. Im at level 54 and had no issues so far with clearing dungeons fast.