Ellay: Looking for a bit of guidance :)

[Mosg2]

Well, my girls are finally pretty much geared (10k hp, 9k mana, 840 spell damage, 21% base crit, 350 res) and I'm doing 5's seriously now vice farming points off of some friend's 3's teams. I'm looking for some basic direction on strategy that has worked for you if you feel comfortable sharing. To begin with, what I'm doing now:

Blade's Edge: Set up totem farm at one end of the bridge, maybe a bit more towards the center.
Nagrand: Usually set up shop towards the center of the arena. My experience was that staying right next to a pillar allowed the other side to LoS me much easier than if I forced them to come out to me.
Lordaeron: Ugh, my least favorite. Usually we would go to the far right side and set up the farm. This way they have the smallest possible angle to LoS us over.

Totem farm consists of 4x staggered Tremor, 4x Grounding, 3x Poison, 1x Mana, 4x Searing. I go with Water shield as with only 9k mana I've had mana become an issue in many games. Target selection is usually Dps and then healers, with Hunters and Warriors being my first big targets. I'm using a Shaman healer who's in full S2 with a smattering of S3.

To be honest I'm floundering in the mid-1500's. I could say that part of that is the gear gap (Every team we've fought has been at least full S2) but I don't want to cop out; I'm looking for strategy help :) Do you have any suggestions? Are there any nifty things you've discovered that've made a big difference in your competitiveness? How do you go about target selection? What do you do against a team that can heal through LB/LB/CL chaining (We ran into a Hunter/Priest/Druid/Warlock/Shaman team that was easily able to heal through our full damage output ugh)?

In any case, much thanks in advance!

P.S. Of course anyone with insight is more than welcome to provide input. I wasn't trying to make this personal :)

[Ellay]

I've had company over the past couple of days, I'm planning on making a movie specifically for dual-boxers to show in game footage strategy of the "sweet spots" of where to be on each map - with lots of commentary instead of music :)
Also your spell damage is high enough no one should be able to heal through your damage, sounds like the opposing shaman was minimizing your damage with grounding totem.


Nagrand
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5981/nagrandtd9.jpg

#1 spot is against caster heavy teams, utilizing the pillar to minimize their burst potential.
#2 spot is against melee heavy teams, forcing them to come to you, making them unable to LoS you.

Blade's Edge
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1585/bladesedgexn6.jpg

The blue outline shows the optimal areas to stand, the direct middle is bad because they can just mess wit you on the bottom throwing spells, but on both sides forces them to come up top and duke it out :) also they cannot LoS you, only jump off which means they left their team behind.

I couldn't find a good picture of Ruins of Lordaeron, so it'll have to wait until the movie :)

[bodefeld]

I've had company over the past couple of days, I'm planning on making a movie specifically for dual-boxers to show in game footage strategy of the "sweet spots" of where to be on each map - with lots of commentary instead of music :)

That's excellent, I'm looking forward to your movie!

[shiVen]

Thanks Ellay!! I'm pretty much in the same boat as Mosg2 in terms of ranking. Also ran into a transfer druid on my server that says he started out with your shamans when you first started up....Poochies ? Anyway, he was giving me advice on your tactics.

[samuraicow]

I'm planning on making a movie specifically for dual-boxers to show in game footage strategy of the "sweet spots" of where to be on each map - with lots of commentary instead of music :)



GOOD!!!!


cant wait !!

[Mosg2]

Thanks so much Ellay! That's even better than what I was looking for hehe.

My other big question is (if you have time, hope you have fun with friends/inlaws/family) what is the order that you try and kill people in? Do you go for DPS or healers first? Whoever is handy? I noticed in your first video that you swap targets a lot--Is that just to screw with the healers?

In any case, thanks again so much for helping out :)

[Boylston]

My other big question is (if you have time, hope you have fun with friends/inlaws/family) what is the order that you try and kill people in? Do you go for DPS or healers first? Whoever is handy? I noticed in your first video that you swap targets a lot--Is that just to screw with the healers?

I think Ellay commented this in response to the "who first" question in the past:



Fire Mage
Frost Mage/ Ele Shaman
Hunter
Ret Paladin / Warrior / Enhancement Shaman

Priest / Non Cheat Death Rogue
Warlock / Cheat Death Rogue
Paladin / Resto Shaman / Druid
As far as switching targets, I do it as well. I find that it's great to hit a target once with a LB and then if it goes LoS or retreats, switch to someone closer/better. This will generally start the healer on the 1st target and make killing the second easier. I will not chase someone, generally speaking. (Learned that the hard way).

Anyhow, I'm sure Ellay will chime in, but that's what he said his kill order was at one point in time. A couple encounters with a fire mage and you'll share his opinion...

[dizz]

More discussion here:

Arena Notes ('http://dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=44443&highlight=dizz')

Perhaps we should put this on a "4x shammy + 1 healer arena notes" wiki page.

[Ellay]

Ya we should definitely start putting this stuff on the wiki :)

I think the video will clear up a lot of the questions.

As for Fire Mages, they are straight up bad ( not in a good way) if your playing one. I had 3 all of Season 1 and 2. Against our comp though, if they have dragon's breath they are insane. It's those odd ball comps that never make a good rating that have a shot at beating us easily heh.

[yarr]

hey mosg looks like your gear should be good enough to start gaining rank above the 1500's, once you work the kinks out of your strategy =P

i remember back when aellie first released his first video of 2k+, and i think your gear is better than his was at the time. I'd say you probably just need more practice =D

I am lookin forward to when i hit 70 to try arenas

[Boylston]

Against our comp though, if they have dragon's breath they are insane.

Way back in the early days of my team (like, a month ago *grin*), melee folks used to be the real problem. Now that everyone isn't quite so squishy, it's fire mages that I really dread. Dragon's breath, blast wave, etc etc... awful stuff!

[Mosg2]

hey mosg looks like your gear should be good enough to start gaining rank above the 1500's, once you work the kinks out of your strategy =P

i remember back when aellie first released his first video of 2k+, and i think your gear is better than his was at the time. I'd say you probably just need more practice =D

I am lookin forward to when i hit 70 to try arenas

Yeah, but rewatching Ellay's first vid showcases how unprepared people were for multiboxing, relatively. Nobody knew exactly what was gonna happen at first, hehe. Also, every team I've faced so far that's over 1450 rating has been in AT LEAST full S2 and many of them in full S3...

All together, I think it just comes down to strat. For the Shaman team at least, the difference between S1 and S3 isn't HUGE. I'll get it worked out eventually ;)

[Ellay]

Blah, I just had this elaborate 8 1/2 minute movie of a tutorial, and I talked the whole way through. I got bored watching after like 2 minutes Gonna try again!

[Boylston]

Blah, I just had this elaborate 8 1/2 minute movie of a tutorial, and I talked the whole way through. I got bored watching after like 2 minutes Gonna try again!

!!!!


You may get bored, but my poor 1500ish team might replay it over and over again!!

[Boom]

Ellay, do you plan to release this video to the public? Or will this be a Dual-boxing member exclusive kind of thing. I would imagine your info would be just as valuable to our opponents as it would be to us. :) No idea how you'd do it (even if you wanted to) but thought I'd ask.

Can't wait to see it!

While we wait, I'd love to hear your opinions on our different healer options. I'm using a Priest (Disc) now with good Arena gear. Granted, we've only played one week, and my guys were at 400 spell damage. >.< But yesterday I got my maces and enchanted them... now they're each around 600 which is alot better, but I have alot of BGs ahead of me still.

So what are the pros/cons of the different healer classes?

Boom

[Boylston]

Picking a Healer for PvP ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/Arenas_-_Picking_a_Healer')

I think this is a great summary...

[Ellay]

You know, you might be right - my video was very in depth and gave away a lot of trade secrets if you will. The video will definitely be a dual-boxing.com exclusive, I'll need to find a way to make it members only :)

[Boom]

, you might be right - my video was very in depth and gave away a lot of trade secrets if you will. The video will definitely be a dual-boxing.com exclusive, I'll need to find a way to make it members onlyI kind of figured that if you just posted the thing on YouTube, it would be insanely popular on the official PvP forums, which wouldn't help any of us. ;)

Hey, check your PMs Ellay. I want to get this file sent off to the Clown.

Boom

[Mosg2]

O.o

8.5 minutes eh?

WTB Ellay's brain. PST Offers.

[Boom]

Been thinking about your video Ellay. Maybe it's something you only offer to members who can show (through armory) that they have 4-5 multiboxed toons (the only folks your video will be valuable to) and are actively running a 5v5 arena group. Easy for me to say, because I'd qualify. But in the name of info-control, I'd try to only make it available to those who are ready to use it for multiboxing.

Simply have the Clown bury it on the site with a simply password protected page. Or, require us to submit an app, then email us a link to download it.

Just a few thoughts for ya.

Boom

[Lefrog]

That would be so much extra work to review a ton of ppl to see if they qualify to see the video though. I def wouldnt want ppl knowing multiboxing secrets though since its a very fragile thing in arena. If people actually took the time to look up these forums then wed be screwed as it is. Maybe this forums needs a verified multiboxer section lol

[Boylston]

Or, you could simply ONLY MAIL IT TO BOOM AND I!!!

:)

[Lokked]

I would also like to see this information.

I play on Burning Legion (Vindication) and my Shaman are named Malicea, Maliceb, Malicec and Maliced.

I have won 3 out of 20 games so far (just started arena :p).

[Boylston]

Ellay/Clown/Etc...

This is a verification post, confirming that I absolutely need access to the Top Seekrit From-Zero-to-Hero Ellay Shammy Training Video/Hax:

http://subterfuge.clintandcindi.com/Verified.JPG

Please send me the access codes immediately!

[Kyudo]

Hereby respectfully posting for access to the "knowledge".

My signon name is Kyudo, my original main and is also in my guild. Armoury link in my sig shows Kyudo and my Shammies and crap arena rating :D

[Gallo]

Been thinking about your video Ellay. Maybe it's something you only offer to members who can show (through armory) that they have 4-5 multiboxed toons (the only folks your video will be valuable to) and are actively running a 5v5 arena group. Easy for me to say, because I'd qualify. But in the name of info-control, I'd try to only make it available to those who are ready to use it for multiboxing.

Simply have the Clown bury it on the site with a simply password protected page. Or, require us to submit an app, then email us a link to download it.

Just a few thoughts for ya.

BoomThis would be a good idea IMO. As multiboxers, we get a lot of public scrutiny, and it would be best if we keep our "trade secrets" of how to pwn Arena Teams in closed quarters.

[Boom]

So it seems the community has spoken, this thread can end.

The result: Boom and Boyl will get the video hand delivered by exotic dancers (with hearts of gold of course). If Boom and Boyl decide down the road, that other people need to see the video, we MIGHT release it. Thank you all for your obvious support through these hard times. We love you.

For the record, here's my proofz.

http://www.forhorde.org/images/tt_ss_366l.jpg

[Tamu]

LOL Boom, you crack me up!

[Nitro]

Send me a copy of the holy grail to please. My gear is getting pretty good and last night I decided to make my own 5's team with a priest as the 5th and we got rofl stomped (mostly my fault im sure) so I would love to see how you work the angles.

My Team:

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Arthas&ts=5&t=WTS+Chain+Lightning&select=WTS+Chain+Lightning

[Boylston]

Send me a copy of the holy grail to please. My gear is getting pretty good and last night I decided to make my own 5's team with a priest as the 5th and we got rofl stomped (mostly my fault im sure) so I would love to see how you work the angles.

My Team:

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Arthas&ts=5&t=WTS+Chain+Lightning&select=WTS+Chain+LightningAll that lovely gear and you're getting stomped!! Maybe you do need the strategy guide worse than I do!! =P

[dizz]

+1 to this thread. :) armory links in the sig. anxiously awaiting 8.5 minutes of boring trade secrets!

[Nitro]

Send me a copy of the holy grail to please. My gear is getting pretty good and last night I decided to make my own 5's team with a priest as the 5th and we got rofl stomped (mostly my fault im sure) so I would love to see how you work the angles.

My Team:

http://www.wowarmory.com/team-info.xml?r=Arthas&ts=5&t=WTS+Chain+Lightning&select=WTS+Chain+LightningAll that lovely gear and you're getting stomped!! Maybe you do need the strategy guide worse than I do!! =P

I have a feeling even simple things like what macros we have to react to certain situations can be vastly different thus effecting our individual playstyle. Seeing someone else arena and arena well might give those of us not doing well some insight on how we might change our setups to be more effective.

[Los]

8.5 mins worth, if you have it online, or to download somewhere, I know a 'to be made' arena team that can really benefit from this. Not to mention I will ban wilbur from IRC (and everybody wants that, righttt?)

[Mosg2]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Jubei%27Thos&n=Bhumi

All my girls are the same and we're in the mid 1500's. I think I need the video more than j00 :D

[maxcom]

I'm sad to admit this is me:

http://www.wowarmory.com/guild-info.xml?r=Coilfang&n=Me+Myself+and+I&p=1

HELP?! please?

[Los]

How bout we start with a round up of what isnt working, and try out new things?

- Zerg your opponent, is it working?

- 'Staying home', how is it going for you?

- Taking out stuff, healers first, dps, which classes/specs do you go for, melee? locks?

- Extra tools, trinkets?

- What do you do with pally healers (fricking shields)?

etc!

I still need to start out on arena's so i cant add that much info, need to get my feet wet, but im all for receiving it! :P

[Slats]

Perhaps I missed something, but all I saw was Boom thinking it might be an idea to have some kind of 'who gets to see the video list' and now your all rattling off your armory details. I thnik there are plenty of us who would be very interested to watch Ellays video and dont have 5 Shaman at 70 in a average 1500 rated team. So to your idea Boom, I say fuck that for a joke.



I honestly doubt many people are going to study the video and discover the ultimate weakness to the Shaman Multibox. I mean if you just sit down and think about it, I am certian there are plenty of ways to beat a multiboxer - I doubt a video is going to make it come crashing down for everyone. Also we should be happy to put a video out there and say hey look - this is how we do it, you guys have no excuse for losing - learn to adapt.



So to end my rant here, just post the film like every other film gets posted - getting up on our high horses and being elitist about who gets to see something is kind of lame.



-Dan

[Boylston]

Well, I think I may have been responsible for starting up the "sign up list". I was attempting to be sarcastic and encourage Ellay to post something (anything!) that might help all of us. Perhaps I'll start a new thread like you suggest with what's working and not working.

[Slats]

Ah my bad then, must've got confused while reading back through all the armory spam.
I *thought* it was a joke but seeing all the replies I wasn't sure and its so easy to take the Internet in the wrong context.

I would almost think a "PvP" section to the forums would be good with an Arena and Battleground forum to discuss strategies with say a Before you post thread rule ie



[5x Shaman] Alterac Valley Strategies
Then have everyone discuss and someone can sumamrize put on Wiki etc :/

[Tizer]

Pointless trying to make it members only. It will end up on youtube whatever you try and do :)

[Ellay]

I found an 85% finished rendered edition of the clip in my recycle bin :) so it cuts off about 15% of the movie. I'll make a better one but in the meantime this should hold you guys over.

http://files.filefront.com/Aelli+Arena+Guideavi/;10013956;/fileinfo.html

Enjoy :)

[Crucial]

Alright, I'm uploading the video right now - I found an 85% finished rendered edition of the clip in my recycle bin :) so it cuts off about 15% of the movie. Gimme about an hour and you should see the link here. I'll make a better one but in the meantime this should hold you guys over.Thanks Ellay, you da man!

[Boom]

Perhaps I missed something, but all I saw was Boom thinking it might be an idea to have some kind of 'who gets to see the video list' and now your all rattling off your armory details. I thnik there are plenty of us who would be very interested to watch Ellays video and dont have 5 Shaman at 70 in a average 1500 rated team. So to your idea Boom, I say fuck that for a joke.Slats,

I apologize if my idea offended ya bud. I was simply bringing up the thought, which I still think is valid. But just because the thought is valid, it doesn't mean I'm throwing my hat into it.

The validity comes from the realization that alot of 4xshammy Arena teams are suddenly facing. We're losing. Bad. While Ellay posts 75+game winning streaks. We're quick to blame this on gear, and for good reason. But we've started to see several 4xS teams head in with very respectable gear, and they're still losing.

So either we all suck (very possible) or Ellay has stumbled upon something truly impressive, and therefore truly valuable.

There are alot of things of value that are kept secret. If you DIDNT respond with "F@## that for a joke", I'd be worried it wasn't worth keeping a secret. The very fact that you chose to respond with profanity says we're on to something.

But personally, I think the spirit of these forums would be violated if we DID keep Ellay's video a secret. Logic would tell you to keep multiboxing a secret as long as you can. But instead, we as a community have chosen to post on these forums, the official forums, and even post videos on You Tube... the result? Blizz finally backs us up in a very public way. Score one for open source. :)

To to recap, I offered the suggestion to Ellay, being it's his video, because there were valid reasons behind it. Your response confirms that. But now that we're at the end, I'm glad Ellay is choosing to post it publicly. I'm REALLY interested in the thread that starts here to discuss the video. That should be fun.

I just hope it doesn't debut on the official PvP forums for a bit, but I'm not holding my breath.

Boom

[Boom]

I found an 85% finished rendered edition of the clip in my recycle bin :) so it cuts off about 15% of the movie. I'll make a better one but in the meantime this should hold you guys over.

http://files.filefront.com/Aelli+Arena+Guideavi/;10013956;/fileinfo.html

Enjoy :)Thanks Ellay! Downloading now.

[Mosg2]

Downloading now!

[Boom]

FANTASTIC VID. Simply fantastic. I learned several key things, and I'll post about them later. Maybe we need a new thread for it. But wanted to thank you for the post right away Ellay.

One thing I WILL point out, that you have, and I NEED to get, is patience. I love the "rogue bait" trick too.

Thanks again bud. Hope to see the full version soon.

Boom

[Boylston]

Seriously... Ellay. This is AWESOME so far.

Here's some takeaways for me so far:

* I am not purging enough. Question: do 4xPurges strip off 8 total buffs, or do they overlap/cancel like a grounding totem can sometimes eat multiple spells?
* Seems like you often purge before DPSing. Is this the case, or did the video just highlight some special cases.
* I am OK at positioning, but my patience needs work... Video reinforces that creeping towards them is bad bad bad.
* I have been practicing alt-turning independently of my main for a while, and I need to incorporate that better.
* Nagrand rogue-baiting was a great suggestion.
* Ghost wolf at beginning to prevent sap!! I already knew this from being a solo shaman, but somehow I was losing this knowledge when we've been 4xShaman in arenas.

Probably some more I've left out. Thanks again, can't wait for the full version. This was awesome, awesome, awesome!!

[crebble]

even tho it might be good with a forum thread specificaly for arena that visitors cant see.
im redirecting wery many peeps to dual-boxing since i cant bother explaining to everyone wtf is going on, and i wouldnt either tell how to do to kick a boxer in arena.
it would be ok tho to tell the rest about some tips n tricks.

/stick

[Dezeral]

Ellay,

I didn't think it was boring at all. You confirmed several things that I thought were good ideas, but wasn't really sure of. You also pointed out a few things that I have struggled with. If I sit in one place for very long, I start to feel like I should be doing something. Patience patience patience.

I have two major problems that I haven't found good solutions for so far. My gear has increased 10 fold in the last two weeks, so one of these may not be as big of a problem as it used to be. First is mages spamming arcane explosion while bouncing around inside my group or worse yet multiple mages doing this. We had two games this week against 5 mage teams. 1 or 2 would stand back and blizzard while 3 rushed in and arcane explosioned like mad. Any tips to counter this?

Second (this one may not be nearly as big of an issue now as I've increased my HP/Armor/Resilince dramatically in the last two weeks) is rogue(s) getting in amongst my guys and bladefurying the living crap out of me while I'm trying to shock/nova/magma them down.

Part of my strategy has been to use EM/NS early to try to kill one person quickly. I see that this is probably not a good idea. I've used it numerous times only to have a mage/paladin/rogue use their "oh shit" abilities to prevent the kill. It looks like waiting a bit to make sure you've got them low enough so that a EM/NS chain lightning is enough to gib them instead of just drop them low enough for a 4xfrost shock or 4x lighting bolt volley is enough to kill them; thus giving them a chance to bubble/iceblock/vanish and escape death.

Anyway, thanks for posting what you have done so far and I look forward to hearing more from you and seeing more tips.

[Bollwerk]

I didn't find the 85% clip boring at all. I was fascinated. (and disappointed when it ended early, heh)

[Eteocles]

Awesome vid Ellay...and I thought you were a chick, wtf! :P The first team had a good team name too..."easy points" lol; props for showing how REAL high end arenas are done instead of *coughbuyingthemcough*

[Kyudo]

Ellay you are a god....

I had gone with 2 wins so far in about 40 matches.... and just kept resetting my team to at least get some points.

I watch the vid, get some confidence, go in with my own prot pally and win my 1st 3.... Time to invite my holy pally mate who is very dissapointed in my achievements so far.... He has connection problems in the evening, but we go on to get a 7-3 record for the evening. My best ever......

I've done a lot of pvp this weekend, so my skills had improved, but some great pointers, especially around the patience, ghost wolf and purging, have made my game 100% better. I'm still PVE spec, and one of my shammie is resto spec too, so overall I'm absolutely delighted with the results....

I even managed to win one game as the palla DC'd half way through with 2 of mine (both oom), vs 2 50% health rogues, ghost wolf, run around, manatide, blast a bit got one down, ghost wolf and wait for regen, rebuff watershield, slowly slowly does it, but he went down in the end.... was a real rush.

Real props for sharing your knowledge.

Cheers

Kyudo

[Slats]

Boom,



Dont take my language personally. The idea of having this elitist list of people who deserved to see the video just irked me the wrong way. I am sure the intentions were good, but my point was if people are serious about studying to beat Ellay they would already have an account and know all to well what multiboxing is and the strengths and weaknesses. :)

BTW thanks for sharing that Ellay about to watch it now.

[Slats]

Ellay that was fucking awesome and I was so disappointed when it just cut out like that. :P



Please by all means make as many boring movies as you like because I was more engrossed by that than I was by any music/look at me kill people videos we normally see. The deep amount of strategy you have in play, the various team makeups at the high end. All extremely interested and so nice to watch. Seriously if someoen made a WoWTV I could watch commentated Arena Matches. :)



-Dan

[Kanelbullen]

Hellu Im the pally Kyudo spoke of :P

Kanelbullen is my name and we play on Kilrogg -Eu. o btw I made this post to make sure u dont think im dissapointed about Kyudos work, its been great fun and even tho i expected it to turn out better than it did ( before we got this imba tactic movie :thumbsup: ) it was still rly fun :)

so No, im not dissapointed k! :D

Oh right i forgot one thing, Ellay , or some1 else, Do u have any tips for the healer in a 5v5 of ur setup? a Paladin in this case, wud be rly great to get some tips ;)

Thnx, kanel

[dizz]

very nice down to earth strategies, learned quite a few things from that video. Thanks Ellay!

[Ellay]

Tips for Paladins,

Always use Crusader Aura when the doors open until you dismount.
Use Blessing of Light
Don't be afraid to pop BoP or Bubble too early, the first 10-20 seconds of a fight is usually the most crucial if they go all out.

[Kyudo]

Hellu Im the pally Kyudo spoke of :P

Kanelbullen is my name and we play on Kilrogg -Eu. o btw I made this post to make sure u dont think im dissapointed about Kyudos work, its been great fun and even tho i expected it to turn out better than it did ( before we got this imba tactic movie :thumbsup: ) it was still rly fun :)

so No, im not dissapointed k! :D

Oh right i forgot one thing, Ellay , or some1 else, Do u have any tips for the healer in a 5v5 of ur setup? a Paladin in this case, wud be rly great to get some tips ;)

Thnx, kanelHehe Kanel, you have to admit you did get a bit ratty when we lost 6 in a row the other day. But you're pretty good in there anyway, keep me up nicely.

Looking forward to a steadily improving rating over the next few weeks.

[Slats]

Keep us posted on how you go, and if you find some new tip that isn't directly covered add it to the other thread. :)

[Kanelbullen]

Thnx for the tips Ellay, im usually using Kings on em atm since they havent got as nice gear as u do ;) at our current rating i suppose ill do better with kings, tho on higher rating ill need Light cus of the nukers with heavy gear :P
Thnx ^^

[Boylston]

Tips for Paladins,

Always use Crusader Aura when the doors open until you dismount.
Use Blessing of Light
Don't be afraid to pop BoP or Bubble too early, the first 10-20 seconds of a fight is usually the most crucial if they go all out.Blessing of Light on everyone? Or just the pally...?

We've been using Kings on everyone for the extra HP.

[Ðeceased]

Blessing of Light on everyone? Or just the pally...?

We've been using Kings on everyone for the extra HP.

hmm if you don't want to use BoL on everyone I would suggest ur pally has kings on him and ur clones have light. from what i saw in the vid, it looks like what mostly happens at high end is that a rogue or one cc class goes after ur pally to prevent him form healing and the rest go for you to try and interrupt you as much as pos. then when ur pally pops his bubble they all turn on you (which they should), so to maintain the highest possible hps from ur pallies heals BoL would benefit you more then kings. Please correct me if I'm wrong ellay.
If that is the case however, BoK on ur pally for the extra stam, intell and lesser other stats, BoL on ur shammies for healing.

[Kyudo]

Blessing of Light on everyone? Or just the pally...?

We've been using Kings on everyone for the extra HP.

hmm if you don't want to use BoL on everyone I would suggest ur pally has kings on him and ur clones have light. from what i saw in the vid, it looks like what mostly happens at high end is that a rogue or one cc class goes after ur pally to prevent him form healing and the rest go for you to try and interrupt you as much as pos. then when ur pally pops his bubble they all turn on you (which they should), so to maintain the highest possible hps from ur pallies heals BoL would benefit you more then kings. Please correct me if I'm wrong ellay.
If that is the case however, BoK on ur pally for the extra stam, intell and lesser other stats, BoL on ur shammies for healing.To be honest, the games where they all go after the pally are great for me. My pally partner is decent geared and experienced, so can normally keep himself up for at least 40 seconds. This leaves me free to choose targets and nuke at will. They go down even quicker.

[Ðeceased]

To be honest, the games where they all go after the pally are great for me. My pally partner is decent geared and experienced, so can normally keep himself up for at least 40 seconds. This leaves me free to choose targets and nuke at will. They go down even quicker.

hehe i can imagine ^^ It's asking for an ass whoopin tbh :)

[schlange]

i saw the video but what does blood lust do actually? I have 4 tauren shammy and wonder if I should have rolled orcs instead.

[Boylston]

Bloodlust (same as the alliance ability, "Heroism") is a L70 shaman spell that gives 30% haste for 40seconds. It's usable in arena and has a 10min cooldown. All shaman get these regardless of their race.

Blood Fury is an Orc Racial ability that gives 143 spell damage (and 282 attack power) for 15 seconds. Its downside is that it reduces all healing effects on you by 50% (it's like you Mortal Strike yourself). The ability has a 2min cooldown. The spell damage is an obvious upside... but the healing debuff is also pretty significant.

On a 4xShaman setup, here's what that 143 spell damage means for me:

Assuming a baseline of 600 Spell Damage (and the hidden +55 Totem of the Void bonus on LB/CL), a target with 394 resilience, and a two-spell cast sequence of 1.) Lightning Bolt 2.) 4xEM+NS+Chain Lightning, I get the following:

Min Damage: 12,876
Avg Damage: 13,504 (using 1,000 salvos, Monte Carlo type analysis)

Add in the Blood Fury to the mix and that increases spell damage to 743 (+55 for TotV). Same resilience and cast sequence:

Min Damage: 13,918
Avg Damage: 14,650


What you can see here is that little ole 143 spell damage bonus increases my LB - 4xEM+NS+CL combo by roughly 1,100 points. It's also going to increase the expected value of subsequent LB volleys by ~550 for the remainder of its time. However, 15 seconds is a lot of time to be debuffed.

To dig a little deeper into arena theorycrafting... That debuff probably won't matter to at least 1 of your team, because they're going to be MS or Wounding poison debuffed significantly. But it may make healing the whole rest of your team much harder in the face of incoming AoE damage.

Finally, it's a useful racial in that it can acutally overwrite wound poisons and then when it wears off, you don't maintain any debuff.

[Kanelbullen]

Hai thar
Me and Kyudo have been doing 30 arenas since we got the tactics video, the first week we got 7-3, next went rly bad and we ended up with like 4-6 im not 100% sure, but this week im quite happy with the results, after 10 games we got 9 win 1 loss :) now we are at about 1460 rating, raised like 120 rating today :):) i almost pity one of the teams we faced, we won against em like 5 times :S
I just gotta say thnx again for the video of tactics Ellay :) its great, thnx ^^