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Broim

10-19-2019, 02:41 PM

This is a video of me multiboxing 4 mages and my friend play his priest. I have seen a lot of people saying that dungeon runs at level 60 would be too hard for 4 mages/1 priest without a tank... Yesterday I decided to record one of our runs in scholomance so I could show you guys that 4 mages and 1 priest works really good in PvE, even at level 60. So far we have been able to clear every dungeone without any problems. I am completely new to this game so I still have a lot to learn about game mechanics but I hope this video will help some of you that play 4 mages / 1 priest.

https://youtu.be/RcKvG-UAp_E

Fuzzyboy

10-19-2019, 02:44 PM

Impressive - very nice. How have you been faring in Dire Maul (north) and Strath? I imagine some of the boss ogres in DM and Ramstein in Strath could be tricky without a tank?

I'm also loving the clever use of shackle / poly as a way to keep mobs at distance - makes we want to level 2 more mages 2 60, just to try it out :-D (currently running war/pri/2xmage/lock)

Madsage

10-19-2019, 04:52 PM

Thanks for sharing this, I am now fully convinced that mages make the best multiboxing team, I am leaving my warlocks and switching over to mages.

Peregrine

10-19-2019, 04:57 PM

That's what I did :) Best decision made. It's just the nature of Classic :)

Mages purely destroy everything. And I think there are better speccs for clearing Scholo then Frost. Soon 60 so I'll post some extreme videos :P

nodoze

10-19-2019, 06:01 PM

Thanks for sharing this, I am now fully convinced that mages make the best multiboxing team, I am leaving my warlocks and switching over to mages.What is your current team and what level and what are you switching to?

Purpleflavor

10-19-2019, 07:21 PM

Thanks for sharing this, I am now fully convinced that mages make the best multiboxing team, I am leaving my warlocks and switching over to mages.Waiting for EatCarbs to get geared and drop a video displaying the meat grinder of 4 war windfury.

nodoze

10-19-2019, 08:34 PM

Waiting for EatCarbs to get geared and drop a video displaying the meat grinder of 4 war windfury.I also would like to see some geared Warrior teams buzz-sawing through clumps of mobs with an unlimited resource for DPS.

Lyonheart

10-19-2019, 10:13 PM

I am completely new to this game so I still have a lot to learn about game mechanics but I hope this video will help some of you that play 4 mages / 1 priest.

https://youtu.be/RcKvG-UAp_E

You make some of us vets look bad! more videos please!

Battleshrimp

10-20-2019, 12:22 AM

Madsage

10-20-2019, 03:03 AM

My classic team of 4xLock Priest is 22, and I will be replacing them with mages (rerolling on Ashbringer EU Alliance) I have tested these teams on pserver but because elite mob damage values are too high I was under the impression that mages can't survive some things, which is false on classic. For example skeletons at the start of Scholomance melted any clothie they touched, but on retail they hit less often, probably because they use their enrage ability way later, mobs use their abilities less often and sub 50 mob damage is way lower then on pservers.

Apatheist

10-20-2019, 08:39 AM

This is exactly what I was looking for. Scholo was definitely one of the hurdles I wasn't sure if this team would be able to manage.

Any chance of uploading some DM runs now that it's released?

Jofogutt

10-20-2019, 01:38 PM

thats sick man! goodjob

Would love some info on ur poly setup

Broim

10-21-2019, 09:20 AM

thats sick man! goodjob

Would love some info on ur poly setup

I created a round robin hotkey in isboxer and then I made a macro in game that looks like this:
/stopcasting
/cast Polymorph
/cleartarget [@player]

Only issue with this setup is that you need a small delay when you take a new target and cast a spell or the game wont register your new target when you try to assist. To counter this delay I sometimes tab between my characters and take a different target with each mage, then I can cast polymorph with all 4 mages at the same time without any delay.

Broim

10-21-2019, 09:33 AM

Mages purely destroy everything. And I think there are better speccs for clearing Scholo then Frost. Soon 60 so I'll post some extreme videos :P

In this video I am using my frost spec that I have been testing for PvP, this spec is far from pefect for PvE but it still works. Arcane/fire with pyroblast would probably have better burst and more damage.

sethlan

10-21-2019, 10:46 AM

Very cool, love the shackle on a priest as you need it for that instance, as you nuke them all on mages:)

smk

10-21-2019, 12:29 PM

I have a group of warriors, paladin and a priest at 57-58, i haven't lvedl them in a few days, been working on my mages, almost lvl 20 now, loving the group, so much easier to work with, I will get my melee to 60, but the mages will be my main team ill sprinkle in the warriors when needed, if needed.

southeastbeast

10-21-2019, 12:53 PM

So dope.

Why you do this tho? Making me ADD team swap again. Bouncing between trinity, MMMMP, LLLLP, and 5 pala. Back to my. MMMMP team!

Void

10-21-2019, 02:42 PM

smk

10-21-2019, 07:40 PM

So far I am lvl 21 almost 22, I have 4 human mages 1 human priest, I have wiped 3 times in Dead Mines, but i have been able to get to the final boss with my team. So far comparing to my melee team, this is much easier and I can see some awesome potential with the team.

smk

10-21-2019, 09:59 PM

I am definitely having issues with alliance mages, I am guessing it is easier, with horde, I always find Dead Mines to be a pain in the ass.

Mercbeast

10-21-2019, 10:15 PM

Deadmines is a giant trash heap of an instance.

Kruschpakx4

10-21-2019, 10:17 PM

I was also bouncing between PMMMM and SWWWW. I was leaning more towards the mages because i just couldn't see how it would not work. This confirms i am on the right track currently lvl 42 and got mounts. Thanks for the video! I will now only play warrior team when they are capped on rested.

I can tell you my 4 warr shaman team is now 56, wars all have HoJ and gladiator chest, arms sword spec with destiny (boe 54 dps sword) and I regret nothing

even though you cant aoe pull as much as mages, you constantly burn through groups and dont need to reg nearly as often as caster teams (shaman uses mostly spirit/mp5 gear)

Purpleflavor

10-21-2019, 10:22 PM

Deadmines is a giant trash heap of an instance.

goonies never say die

they tried

Purpleflavor

10-21-2019, 10:27 PM

I can tell you my 4 warr shaman team is now 56, wars all have HoJ and gladiator chest, arms sword spec with destiny (boe 54 dps sword) and I regret nothing

even though you cant aoe pull as much as mages, you constantly burn through groups and dont need to reg nearly as often as caster teams (shaman uses mostly spirit/mp5 gear)I'm getting meat sweats just reading this. Plz video soon?

StingraY

10-22-2019, 12:14 AM

I can tell you my 4 warr shaman team is now 56, wars all have HoJ and gladiator chest, arms sword spec with destiny (boe 54 dps sword) and I regret nothing

even though you cant aoe pull as much as mages, you constantly burn through groups and dont need to reg nearly as often as caster teams (shaman uses mostly spirit/mp5 gear)

Wow... just how much BRD did you run to get those for every warrior? That's crazy.

Fuzzyboy

10-22-2019, 03:20 AM

I can tell you my 4 warr shaman team is now 56, wars all have HoJ and gladiator chest, arms sword spec with destiny (boe 54 dps sword) and I regret nothing

even though you cant aoe pull as much as mages, you constantly burn through groups and dont need to reg nearly as often as caster teams (shaman uses mostly spirit/mp5 gear)

4 gladiator chests - that's insane! I've done ring of the law event around 30 times and I haven't even gotten 1 to drop yet :-D

nodoze

10-22-2019, 07:57 AM

I can tell you my 4 warr shaman team is now 56, wars all have HoJ and gladiator chest, arms sword spec with destiny (boe 54 dps sword) and I regret nothing

even though you cant aoe pull as much as mages, you constantly burn through groups and dont need to reg nearly as often as caster teams (shaman uses mostly spirit/mp5 gear)
I'm getting meat sweats just reading this. Plz video soon?All the hype is on Mages. I would like to see some videos also.

Apatheist

10-22-2019, 08:28 AM

All the hype is on Mages. I would like to see some videos also.

I've just made a mage team to try it for myself but I'm still not totally convinced. I feel like warriors or warlocks will be able to clear stuff mages will struggle with. Some of the bosses in DM possibly or UBRS. I can't see mages being able to 5man Rend or Drakkisath which warlocks can do.

Then again, I thought Scholomance would be harder than it is for a mage team so anything is possible.

nodoze

10-22-2019, 08:44 AM

I've just made a mage team to try it for myself but I'm still not totally convinced. I feel like warriors or warlocks will be able to clear stuff mages will struggle with. Some of the bosses in DM possibly or UBRS. I can't see mages being able to 5man Rend or Drakkisath which warlocks can do.A dedicated 2nd Player running a Priest with 1 player running 4 Mages is not the same as 1 player running both...

While I found the video impressive there were multiple parts that I didn't see as viable for even a very gifted single player. For example, the Priest running large out of sight circles up/down stairs with the 4 mages picking off lagging/following mobs seems impractical for a single player.

Similarly, the Priest was running around all over the place and shackling while the mages were poly-morphing and focusing and I just don't see that as realistic for most single players. I am sure some single players can pull off some of that but certainly not all and people should remember that the video was not a 5 box and it was not 1 single player in the video...

My thoughts are that for PVE for most people having a real tank option would be safer and more realistic & possibly even more efficient as you could AoE clumps down rather than having to poly 3-4 mobs and kill 1 by 1. You would start with smaller clumps but as your gear grows your clumps could grow. With a Tank you can still poly some if/as needed and your keeping the non-poly mobs at bay is more conducive for single player play.

Void

10-22-2019, 11:07 AM

I can tell you my 4 warr shaman team is now 56, wars all have HoJ and gladiator chest, arms sword spec with destiny (boe 54 dps sword) and I regret nothing

even though you cant aoe pull as much as mages, you constantly burn through groups and dont need to reg nearly as often as caster teams (shaman uses mostly spirit/mp5 gear)

Alright, guess ill keep going the way i am. A video would be awesome if you get the time. Did things get a lot better with mortal strike?

Broim

10-22-2019, 11:25 AM

A dedicated 2nd Player running a Priest with 1 player running 4 Mages is not the same as 1 player running both...

While I found the video impressive there were multiple parts that I didn't see as viable for even a very gifted single player. For example, the Priest running large out of sight circles up/down stairs with the 4 mages picking off lagging/following mobs seems impractical for a single player.

Similarly, the Priest was running around all over the place and shackling while the mages were poly-morphing and focusing and I just don't see that as realistic for most single players. I am sure some single players can pull off some of that but certainly not all and people should remember that the video was not a 5 box and it was not 1 single player in the video...

My thoughts are that for PVE for most people having a real tank option would be safer and more realistic & possibly even more efficient as you could AoE clumps down rather than having to poly 3-4 mobs and kill 1 by 1. You would start with smaller clumps but as your gear grows your clumps could grow. With a Tank you can still poly some if/as needed and your keeping the non-poly mobs at bay is more conducive for single player play.

I am not sure why you think this would be hard to even if you played 5 characters. I am new to WoW and I was going to play 4 mages and 1 priest myself, but then my friend wanted to play a priest so I decided to only play 4 mages. I have been multiboxing in others games like Dark age of camelot were I was multiboxing 5-8 characters so I still have a good understanding about multiboxing. Running up and down the stairs with a priest and then press assist + frostbolt on your mages is not that hard, you only need to press 2 extra keys when you are running around with your priest and there is probably otherways you can kill this boss. In the last boss fight one of my mages get ported in to another room and I am easily able to move him around and cast other spell with him and at the same time my 3 other mages are casting frostbolts on the main boss.

Him running around pulling mobs when I was drinking my water probably saved us a min or two for the total run. Shackling a mob with a priest at the same time as you are doing dmg with mages takes 1-2 key presses depending on your keybindings.

The reason why I use polymorph on almost all mobs in this video is because I am using my PvP spec and honestly you dont really save that much time when you aoe small groups. I could aoe if I wanted without taking any damage with my frost shields up but I rather do it super easy and just use polymorph and save my mana.

I am not saying 4 mages 1 priest is the best setup for PvE, I myself hate PvE and I am only playing WoW for PvP and that is the reason why I picked 4 mages. 4 mages 1 priest are probably the strongest setup for PvP and I have been able to farm all dungeons so far without any problems. I have even been able to farm most bosses with just my 4 mages without a tank or healer in my group when I was farming my BIS items. You just need to play smart.

smk

10-22-2019, 12:38 PM

Just finished DeadMines @ 22 with my team, recorded it and will at some point get it up on youtube.

nodoze

10-22-2019, 12:51 PM

I am not sure why you think this would be hard to even if you played 5 characters. I am new to WoW and I was going to play 4 mages and 1 priest myself, but then my friend wanted to play a priest so I decided to only play 4 mages. I have been multiboxing in others games like Dark age of camelot were I was multiboxing 5-8 characters so I still have a good understanding about multiboxing. Running up and down the stairs with a priest and then press assist + frostbolt on your mages is not that hard, you only need to press 2 extra keys when you are running around with your priest and there is probably otherways you can kill this boss. In the last boss fight one of my mages get ported in to another room and I am easily able to move him around and cast other spell with him and at the same time my 3 other mages are casting frostbolts on the main boss.

Him running around pulling mobs when I was drinking my water probably saved us a min or two for the total run. Shackling a mob with a priest at the same time as you are doing dmg with mages takes 1-2 key presses depending on your keybindings.

The reason why I use polymorph on almost all mobs in this video is because I am using my PvP spec and honestly you dont really save that much time when you aoe small groups. I could aoe if I wanted without taking any damage with my frost shields up but I rather do it super easy and just use polymorph and save my mana.

I am not saying 4 mages 1 priest is the best setup for PvE, I myself hate PvE and I am only playing WoW for PvP and that is the reason why I picked 4 mages. 4 mages 1 priest are probably the strongest setup for PvP and I have been able to farm all dungeons so far without any problems. I have even been able to farm most bosses with just my 4 mages without a tank or healer in my group when I was farming my BIS items. You just need to play smart.I actually think you are a talented multiboxer and your experience multiboxing shows. Even though you may be new to Warcraft your polish is evident, especially with the smoothness with which you polymorph (among other things). That is part of my point...

I have nothing against Polymorphing per se. It is great to avoid damage when/where you can. I also don't have any issue with a non-tank team but do want to caution that some folk may regret not having a tank option. My point is more that a group running a proper tank should also be able to clear fast (without having to poly though they certainly can) and should be able do do all bosses (not just some or most). In the end it should be safer & easier for the average multiboxer.

Apatheist

10-22-2019, 02:42 PM

some folk may regret not having a tank option.

My reason for preferring teams without a dedicated tank, which is why I chose warlocks as my main team, is that the tank is generally a wasted character once you're done farming dungeons. One melee class mixed in with a ranged team isn't much use in PvP or raids. With 4 mages/warlocks and a healer you can feasibly step into raids or wPvP and all of your characters will have an impact.

nodoze

10-22-2019, 02:48 PM

My reason for preferring teams without a dedicated tank, which is why I chose warlocks as my final main team, is that the tank is generally a wasted character once you're done farming dungeons. One melee class mixed in with a ranged team isn't much use in PvP or raids. With 4 mages/warlocks and a healer you can feasibly step into raids or wPvP and all of your characters will have an impact.Understood and I get that though most of the goals and discussion on the forum center around the ease of clearing dungeons to fund a main.

Warlock(s) can get very Tanky so you are kinda tanking ;-)

Remember also that not all Tanks are forced into melee in PVP/Raids as a Paladin Tank can be an effective Healer, a Druid Tank can be a semi-effective caster/healer, & a Shaman tank can be an effective caster/healer.

Barazanthul

10-23-2019, 03:15 AM

What AddOn do you use for your party frames?

Imposibil

10-23-2019, 05:24 AM

As i see the power of 4m1p i am not sure you could have done the same thing with only 1 player playing all of them , while you don't have to worry about healing and priest able to kite and kill the mobs alone (because they can only take holy or melee damage). i have run strat with war/priest/sham/2xMage and the only problem was the skelly sience my rotation does not include priest as DPSer (i have an "max dps" key witch includes priest also). Also my gear is far from pre-raid BiS , never played classic wow, heck my total wow experience is under 6mo and thats on BfA ...
Do not compare DAoC with WoW , they are 2 world apart , i have been boxing daoc (read boxing only) for more then 7 years , running 8man party on my own, played couple chars to RR10+ when RPs we're not so easy to make like now so i know what im talking about.
Not having to worry about heals and having an free casting priest is one thing , while having a priest on follow while healing, kiting, shackeling, not pressing heal key / clickbar , not shackeling or dpsing .... is another thing ....
Not underestimating your boxing skills , just saying 4 + 1 outsider is a total different experience then 5 of your own.

For Barazanthul, the party frame is SUF (Shaddowed unit frames)

Cheers !

Apatheist

10-23-2019, 03:17 PM

I wonder how an elemental PvE build would do with 4 mages?

Something like: https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/mage/-055100310003-05350200102251331

The synergy between improved flamestrike and shatter plus master of elements is pretty nice. You gather everything up and frost nova then cast flamestrike and cone of cold. Flamestrike has a 65% base chance to crit frozen targets which procs ignite -- which will stack 4 times with 4 mages. Then kite for 4 seconds until ignite and the flamestrike burn wear off. Frost nova again and repeat. If played properly the mobs shouldn't even touch you. The cone of cold may even crit with shatter if your connection is fast enough to batch the CoC cast at the end of flamestrike. Huge burst.

Every video I see people are just spamming arcane explosion and barely avoiding dying on a mage or two.

Added benefit of this spec is that you get pyroblast for opening on bosses.

nodoze

10-23-2019, 03:23 PM

I wonder how an elemental PvE build would do with 4 mages?

Something like: https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/mage/-055100310003-05350200102251331

The synergy between improved flamestrike and shatter plus master of elements is pretty nice. You gather everything up and frost nova then cast flamestrike and cone of cold. Flamestrike has a 65% base chance to crit frozen targets which procs ignite -- which will stack 4 times with 4 mages. Then kite for a couple of seconds until ignite and the flamestrike burn wear off. Frost nova again and repeat. If played properly the mobs shouldn't even touch you. The cone of cold may even crit with shatter if your connection is fast enough to batch the CoC cast at the end of flamestrike. Huge burst.

Every video I see people are just spamming arcane explosion and barely avoiding dying on a mage or two.

Added benefit of this spec is that you get pyroblast for opening on bosses.I am pretty sure Bruce Lee (Peregrine) is at least running PyroBlast on his 4Mages+Priest build... Not sure if the rest is Elemental or not. Now that he hit 60 I think he is planning on posting his builds (if he hasn't already) and I think he saves his videos on twitch.

Apatheist

10-23-2019, 03:28 PM

It's an interesting thought.

Cleared deadmines at 18 on my mage team today. Was a bit of a struggle but some of the mobs are 2 levels above me and my characters are half naked so I imagine it will improve. Definitely not as forgiving as my warlocks. One mistake and a mage drops quick. When I get cone of cold at 26 to cycle with frost nova so I can AE kite effectively it will make a huge difference.

Still not 100% convinced that this comp can manage DM but we'll see. If nothing else, it'll be handy to having mages on 4 of my accounts I can summon to provide portals and water for my locks.

Peregrine

10-23-2019, 03:34 PM

I am still testing dungeons but you can check my Lbrs run (Complete) with few wipes as it was my first time running this dungeon.
I did complete Dm E and will post Dm N guide later this week along with other guides (still didn't touch the Strat or Scholo) but I think in a week all complete guide for dungeon will be up on my Yt channel.

Additionally, you can check my twitch dungeon runs.The reason people avoid shatter with fire build is that it's too much hassle for single pack. I literally go to pack ,spam AE for 6 sec, get loot rest go on. With fire, you got to position, cast, nova>repeat>kite. Too much work unless completely melee mobs (then it would work with iceblock pulls). Still, there is a specific satisfaction when you ignite :)

Apatheist

10-24-2019, 06:30 AM

I am still testing dungeons

Saw your BRD run. Can't lie, I was getting a bit agitated watching you standing still and tanking Thaurissan's enrage with your mages.

As a tip, you can polymorph princess so she doesn't kill your healer or heal the emperor. You can also use the platform the boss starts on to force him to path around and not be able to melee you during his enrage. If you use counterspell on the mage you want to dodge with it causes a high amount of threat so you can ensure which mage receives aggro in order to dodge with him.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXEt2eCD7IQ

Might as well kite during this phase since he's immune to magical damage during enrage anyway.

Peregrine

10-24-2019, 07:14 AM

Saw your BRD run. Can't lie, I was getting a bit agitated watching you standing still and tanking Thaurissan's enrage with your mages.

As a tip, you can polymorph princess so she doesn't kill your healer or heal the emperor. You can also use the platform the boss starts on to force him to path around and not be able to melee you during his enrage. If you use counterspell on the mage you want to dodge with it causes a high amount of threat so you can ensure which mage receives aggro in order to dodge with him.

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXEt2eCD7IQ

Might as well kite during this phase since he's immune to magical damage during enrage anyway.

I was just brute forcing it cuz cba doing left n right. I didn't know you can actually poly princess, thought she was immune to poly (not to cs tho). Easiest way for me to just negate any boss in game is to pop invunerability pot and just flex :)

nodoze

10-26-2019, 11:36 AM

Lyonheart

10-26-2019, 04:33 PM

I was just brute forcing it cuz cba doing left n right. I didn't know you can actually poly princess, thought she was immune to poly (not to cs tho). Easiest way for me to just negate any boss in game is to pop invunerability pot and just flex :)

I found out the hard way she is immune to poly.. you can not sheep her

Apatheist

10-28-2019, 08:34 AM

I found out the hard way she is immune to poly.. you can not sheep her

Weird. I know you can freezing trap or sap her but she's immune to poly? Prejudice. Will have to test fear and seduction.

Another option if you have a tanky enough healer (paladin/shaman) would be to tank her around a corner where your healer is still in LoS of your party but she can't see emperor to heal him. This used to work on private servers but retail scripting may be intelligent enough for her to run to into LoS in order to heal him. Needs testing.

Fuzzyboy

10-28-2019, 09:09 AM

Weird. I know you can freezing trap or sap her but she's immune to poly? Prejudice. Will have to test fear and seduction.

Another option if you have a tanky enough healer (paladin/shaman) would be to tank her around a corner where your healer is still in LoS of your party but she can't see emperor to heal him. This used to work on private servers but retail scripting may be intelligent enough for her to run to into LoS in order to heal him. Needs testing.

I ended up tanking her with a blueberry across the room while the group took care of emperor :)

Lyonheart

10-28-2019, 09:18 AM

Weird. I know you can freezing trap or sap her but she's immune to poly? Prejudice. Will have to test fear and seduction.

She is immune to priest fear as well..tried that! I hope she is not immune to CS..im going to make a macro to target her/stopcasting /cast CS and see if that will work. At 58 I almost killed him even with her healing. SO now that im 59 ( almost 60 ) i should be able to do it.

Apatheist

10-28-2019, 09:30 AM

She is immune to priest fear as well..tried that! I hope she is not immune to CS..im going to make a macro to target her/stopcasting /cast CS and see if that will work. At 58 I almost killed him even with her healing. SO now that im 59 ( almost 60 ) i should be able to do it.

Well, the good news is you only have to leave her alive once for the quest. After that you can just burn her down. She has relatively low HP and should be pretty easy to nuke with 4 mages.