New Multibox LF feedback (4Lock/1Priest SMGY)

[Bowells]

Hey all. I'm relatively new to multiboxxing, this is my 2nd comp. The first being 5 shamans (which I figured would be easiest) which are sat around level 45, this is my 2nd comp. I'm just looking for some feedback on how I can improve as a multiboxxer. Macros or binds I might be missing, things I'm doing wrong that I might not know about etc.


https://youtu.be/pWmH-W1zheE

Sorry there's no sound, I was using a different audio output for whatever reason.

[southeastbeast]

Damn, you are making me want to re-roll horde undead, and make a PLLLL team! That shit looks fun and efficient with the life tap -> cannibalize heal.

[omnimultum]

daim son that looks awesome so lookin forward to my wwwwp team

btw when pulling up the monsters

how do you split up the aggro so well between the voidwalkers

i imagen if the same voidwalker got hit by all those elites it would get destroyed

care to share spec,build for the chars

[AndyGneiss]

how do you split up the aggro so well between the voidwalkers
I'm also curious about this. Do you keep all of the voidwalkers' Torment and Suffering abilities on auto-cast? It appears you have Torment on auto-cast, but it's tiny and hard to see. Are you using Suffering as a round-robin action?
Additionally, have you experimented with Eye of Killrog pulling with this team composition? I'd be interested in seeing if that's viable, or when it's viable.

[Rectangle]

Wish I had some advice but you're way ahead of me, just had to ask what add-on is that showing all your teams debuffs?

[Bowells]

Okay so for the voidwalker aggro, it's a problem I currently suffer with. I'm running deep afflic on them all for now, until I can get Soul Link at 40 and hopefully the aggro will be a bit better. I have torment on auto-cast. I used to use Suffering on round robin but found it too hectic to continue casting on locks, healing on priest and using that so it's flatline now and I cast across all as soon as they're rounded up. I have /petattack on mousewheel up so I usually just spam that on certain mobs, I guess I'm fortunate the aggro gets divided up.

I did try an eye of kilrogg pull many times, what I struggled with pulling too many elites was a lock would take aggro and just get insta-deleted (even if I used sac) and then I'd struggle to have the dmg to finish the pull off. I might try again at 40 with SL but at the moment I've tried several times and been unable to get around this.

For the debuffs it's a weakaura I got from a streamer called Tribe_tv1, just go to his channel and type !wa or !weakauras or something like that and you'll get it.

I still feel like there's stuff I could be doing better though.

[Apatheist]

If you download ElvUI it displays the duration of DoT's on the health bar of each mob. Makes managing DoT's a lot simpler.

Also, I've just started my warlock team and found that using two separate petattack macros helps a lot. The first one I add to my regular spam DPS keys which checks if the pet already has a target and, if so, attacks that target. The second use to select and mark new targets.



/petattack [@pettarget,noexists,nodead]


/petattack
/run SetRaidTarget("target",8)

The second macro I use in combination with a 4 step ISBoxer keymap so that each warlock uses its own raid mark. Skull is always warlock B's target, cross is always warlock C's target, etc. So I know what each pet is tanking and I don't accidentally reassign a pet that's tanking a boss or an important mob.

Pretty sure this much pet management only really matters at low level when your voidwalker is actually doing the tanking. Once I get soul link I'll just spam DPS and tank with the warlocks anyway.

[Bowells]

Now this is the stuff I was looking for. Personally I don't like ElvUI, have tried it in the past playing solo but I prefer the more default look.

So for your second macro there are you saying you use that on a round robin system within an action target group of your 4 warlocks?
I really like this addition. Will be trying it today.

[Apatheist]

Similar to round robin but using one keymap with 4 steps. Each step sends FTL assist, petattack and a raid mark to one of my warlocks.

Even if your pets aren't tanking it's useful to be able to individually send a voidwalker to pull 4 different packs and then /petfollow to pull them all back to your hellfire stack.

I also created two action target groups for petfollow and petattack. Then I set the pet follow/attack macros to send to those groups. When I spam my DPS keymaps my pets will automatically either assist or follow me depending on which target action group they're in at the time. This way I only have to assign pet targets and not worry about pets not attacking or running off to agro stuff I don't want to.

You can use your hotkeys for more than one function, too. For example, my "join petfollow group" keymap also casts devour magic on my friendly mouseover target and my "join petattack" keymap casts devour magic or seduction on my target. Kind of made sense to me to put the offensive stuff on the pet attack bind and the defensive stuff on petfollow. Assigning multiple actions to the same keypress depending which pet is active saves a lot of keybinds.

[Bowells]

Just wanna say thank you so much, doing this now and AOE farming is now far far easier.

[Apatheist]

Revised the petattack macro a little.


/petattack [@pettarget,noexists][@pettarget,dead]

This way if one of your pet targets dies the pet that was tanking that mob will switch to the target you're currently attacking if you don't assign it a new target.

I also added a macro to clear all raid markers to my /petfollow toggle so I can reset everything mid combat and assign new targets if I need to.


/run for i=1,9 do SetRaidTarget("player",i) end

[Kraxx]

Has anyone considered or tried to pick a paladin instead of a priest?

Paladin has some nice features:

- Concentration aura(100% hellfire pushback protection)
- Retri aura for the voids ( switch to concentration aura when starting hellfire spam)
- Might/Kings buff for the voids
- Salvation buff for all locks and the pala
- Very mana efficient healer

The question is whether a holy pala can heal this team due to the lack of aoe healing?!
But I'm afraid that aoe healing is mandatory for a 4 lock team because hellfire cause aoe dmg.




BTW: I don't want to sacrifice one lock (dps) for a paladin / priest/ 3 lock team.




Thx

[Madsage]

I will be making warlock team on alliance and I have been debating between a priest and a paladin.

Since you will be using blessing of salvation on your locks, your heals will not be nearly as efficient as priest prayer or shaman chain heal, but your voidwalkers will hold threat a lot better and you will be able to instantly open with CoA-Corruption-Immolate and not pull aggro. Casting those 3 spells with 4 warlocks will kill nearly every non boss elite mob, with exception being big guys such as giants and dragonkins/ogres in UBRS/LBRS/DM.

(Level 58-60 elites have 7-8k hp and big guys 13-15k, your 3 dots in crap gear deal 2.5k dmg per warlock)

So you may want to limit your pulls to 3-4 mob groups, cast dots on every mob, lifetap and finish off mobs with life drain, that way you will have the least amount of downtime. The limiting factor in constant pulling will be voidwalker mana, since they run out of mana pretty fast, so after you finish 2 packs and they are low on health and mana you will lifetap and resummon them, and your paladin will actually have to do minimal amout of healing.

Casting buffs and too many heals on void seems to be a waste of mana, since it costs a level 60 demo warlock 6 seconds and 800 mana for a 4k hp 1.9k mp voidwalker

With a paladin you will want to use hellfire only when you have a lot of small mobs, otherwise keep retribution/devotion aura on and dot drain those mobs.

Also since you are lacking the insane damage of hellfire make sure to use Curse of Recklesness on runner mobs near death

After you send in your pets and dot every mob you can have each warlock target your pets target for wanding/drain life with this macro and have every mob die at the same time. This will make it easier to apply curse of recklesness on all runner mobs and prevent chain pulls

/target pet
/assist target

I think I might have actually found a way to make paladin healer work and be viable alternative to a priest

[Madsage]

Another theory I will have to test out is that with Improved Blessing of Wisdom Voidwalkers can actually pull 4-5 packs without running oom, so using health funnel to keep their health up instead of resummoning them might be a viable strategy

[Apatheist]

I much prefer paladins to priests but they're just not viable as a solo healer with this group. You can't do enough healing when 9 targets are all taking damage at the same time. In BiS gear a paladin could keep up spamming downranked flash but while leveling you'd be OOM constantly.

On the plus side, there's great synergy between spirit of redemption and soulstone.

Also, I don't even DoT trash mobs. I just use pets to pull then hellfire. It takes you 7.5 seconds to cast DoT's on 5 targets. If you channel hellfire for 7 seconds everything is dead already.

[omnimultum]

Apatheist (https://www.dual-boxing.com/members/57070-Apatheist) from what you mentioned


you have setup a way for the diffrent slaves to attack diffrently market targets(raid marks skull star etc)

is there any video showcasing how to do such a setup

[Mercbeast]

I don't think this is possible, targeting raid markers. I believe it was possible, but was removed in a patch prior to the version classic runs on.

[Madsage]

Someone posted a macro where your pets attacks a target and puts a raid marker on it, you would need to keep a pet on that target and use /assist to target it with other characters.

It is funny how we could target raid markers before, in practice you had 6 focus targets instead of 1 later in game

[Kraxx]

Thx for the information.

I'll take a standard 4 WL 1 Priest setup

[tchallaaoc]

Apatheist - Am requesting a screenshot. Have tried a few time and failed miserably. Would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Tchalla

[southeastbeast]

What’s the spec guide for this while leveling?

[Apatheist]

Apatheist (https://www.dual-boxing.com/members/57070-Apatheist) from what you mentioned

you have setup a way for the diffrent slaves to attack diffrently market targets(raid marks skull star etc)

is there any video showcasing how to do such a setup

You can't target raid markers. I use raid markers as a visual reminder which mob each voidwalker is attacking. This is useful because I also have individual assist keys set up for each warlock so I can choose to switch a particular pet that isn't currently tanking a boss or some mob with an AoE that I don't want to move closer to my stack, for example.

[Akumatv]

Similar to round robin but using one keymap with 4 steps. Each step sends FTL assist, petattack and a raid mark to one of my warlocks.

Even if your pets aren't tanking it's useful to be able to individually send a voidwalker to pull 4 different packs and then /petfollow to pull them all back to your hellfire stack.

I also created two action target groups for petfollow and petattack. Then I set the pet follow/attack macros to send to those groups. When I spam my DPS keymaps my pets will automatically either assist or follow me depending on which target action group they're in at the time. This way I only have to assign pet targets and not worry about pets not attacking or running off to agro stuff I don't want to.

You can use your hotkeys for more than one function, too. For example, my "join petfollow group" keymap also casts devour magic on my friendly mouseover target and my "join petattack" keymap casts devour magic or seduction on my target. Kind of made sense to me to put the offensive stuff on the pet attack bind and the defensive stuff on petfollow. Assigning multiple actions to the same keypress depending which pet is active saves a lot of keybinds.

Would you mind explaining how you've set this up in the keymap? I'm guessing you've got it set so that it wont advance to the next step for x-amount of seconds, but im not sure so I just want to make sure. Cheers :)

[Apatheist]

Would you mind explaining how you've set this up in the keymap? I'm guessing you've got it set so that it wont advance to the next step for x-amount of seconds, but im not sure so I just want to make sure. Cheers :)

Just 4 steps, no wait time. If you add a wait time it delays how quickly you can send your voidwalkers to pick up a target.

Just 4 steps in one keymap and each step sends assist, marks the target and sends voidwalker attack macro to warlock B. Step two assists, uses a different mark on the target, sends pet attack macro to warlock C and so on.

[Bowells]

I was afflic early on, but at mid-30s I've swapped to demo and void threat is so much better now.

[Madsage]

I would advise going straight into demo tree for Improved Voidwalker so they can tank dungeon mobs, since threat is your main issue, not damage. After that take Improved Corruption, 2 points in Suppression and start working towards your Soul Link.

[Apatheist]

I went 8 into demo for improved voidwalker and then all into affliction until 40. Then I'll respect for soul link. Affliction offers more in the intermediate levels.

Also, I recommend farming BRD for https://classic.wowhead.com/item=22254/wand-of-eternal-light

There are mobs in Scholomance (that you'll be farming a LOT as a warlock comp) that are immune to all magic types except holy. This wand is the only wand in the game that does holy damage and, combined with the physical damage from your warlocks, will help you kill them.

[Sheiken]

I just started a new 4x lock 1x Priest team to play on when I get tired of a grind session on my main team and they need rested xp, and so far I am absolutely loving it!
I mean I am blown away at how much and how fast you can clear with 4 locks, all going ham with their voidwalkers. I am only lvl 13 but I have started alot of team comps since the launch of classic, but this is by far the fastest leveling experience I have had! It dosent matter if the mobs er 1, 2 or even 3 levels above me I just dot up and send the pets to tank and the rest is history.

I have a simple /petattack and /castsequence macro in 1 button on all locks that sends in the pet -> Casts CoA -> Casts Corruption. So basicly I just run into a camp of mobs, target each mob and mash the same button and bam everything is dead. The VW have no issue holding or taking aggro so far and I am planning on getting imp voidwalker talent as the first and then imp corruption.

I know it probably will be alot harder once I get into dungeons but before I do I will be setting up the raid marker macros to make micro'ing my pets far easier for tanking.

@Apatheist (https://www.dual-boxing.com/members/57070-Apatheist)
Will have to do some testing, but am I wrong in assuming that with the raid markers setup in ISboxer, you still have to swap to each warlock window and first manually target their target mob before swapping back and hitting the key map?

Wouldn't it just be more beneficial to have 4 macros setup (1 for each warlock) that you then place on 1-4 on their hotbar? Let me explain my theory:

1. Make a macro on each warlock that simply sets a unique raid marker
2. Make sure that hotkeys 1-4 also does an initial assist the leader in ISboxer
3.
Warlock A: puts his macro in the hotbar with hotkey 1.
Warlock B: puts his macro in the hotbar with hotkey 2.
Warlock C: puts his macro in the hotbar with hotkey 3.
Warlock D: puts his macro in the hotbar with hotkey 4.

Then all you need to do with a pack is, be on your main (priest in my setup) and target a mob, then press the corrosponding hotkey that you want that warlocks pet to tank? All of this ofcourse, assumes that the "FTL -> set raid marker macro" hotkeys actually targets the mob when it executes. But if it does then its as simple as targeting 4 mobs with your main, press 4 hotkeys and then press a single /petattack macro for all warlocks?

I haven't tested any of this yet so feedback is more than welcome!

[Apatheist]

@Apatheist (https://www.dual-boxing.com/members/57070-Apatheist)
Will have to do some testing, but am I wrong in assuming that with the raid markers setup in ISboxer, you still have to swap to each warlock window and first manually target their target mob before swapping back and hitting the key map?

Keymaps work from any client so there's no need to tab.

The purpose of creating 4 steps within my pet targeting keymap is that each step sends assist to a different warlock. 4 Steps, 4 warlocks.

You could achieve the same thing by just ticking "round robin" but having a unique step for each warlock allows you to attach other functions to it like assigning a particular raid mark, cycling seduce or devour magic, etc.

[Sheiken]

Keymaps work from any client so there's no need to tab.

The purpose of creating 4 steps within my pet targeting keymap is that each step sends assist to a different warlock. 4 Steps, 4 warlocks.

You could achieve the same thing by just ticking "round robin" but having a unique step for each warlock allows you to attach other functions to it like assigning a particular raid mark, cycling seduce or devour magic, etc.

Yes but how do you make each warlock target a different target initially with 1 button on your main without swapping windows and doing it manually?

[Akumatv]

I dont see how that wouldnt just make them all attack the same target since theres no delay before it advances to the next step? Have I missed a point in here where you explain that you use different binds to have the locks assist the leader? Because as of right now, I dont understand how that would actually work as intended.

[Apatheist]

Yes but how do you make each warlock target a different target initially with 1 button on your main without swapping windows and doing it manually?

By sending "FTL Assist Me" to specific clients as per my previous comment.

Each step in the keymap sends FTL Assist Me to a different warlock.


I dont see how that wouldnt just make them all attack the same target since theres no delay before it advances to the next step? Have I missed a point in here where you explain that you use different binds to have the locks assist the leader? Because as of right now, I dont understand how that would actually work as intended.

Keymap steps are activated once per key press unless you edit options like "activated on key press or release" or add a delay before proceeding to the next step.

[Akumatv]

Did not know that. Learn something new every day when it comes to ISboxer:) Thank you for the replies!

[Sheiken]

By sending "FTL Assist Me" to specific clients as per my previous comment.

Each step in the keymap sends FTL Assist Me to a different warlock.



Keymap steps are activated once per key press unless you edit options like "activated on key press or release" or add a delay before proceeding to the next step.

Ahh now it makes sense 😊👍 so if you accidentally press the same button twice on the same mob by mistake it then sends 2 pets right? Thanks for the explanation I am pretty new to isboxer as well 😊

[Apatheist]

so if you accidentally press the same button twice on the same mob by mistake it then sends 2 pets right?

Correct.

I use the round robin style pet assignment 90% of the time when I'm grinding just because it's easier. I also have 4 individual pet attack hotkeys if I ever need to manage which mob a specific pet tanks. My warlocks are still fairly low level though so I haven't come across anything that requires that level of pet micro.

At 40 I'll be switching to SL spec and I won't even need to micro pets.

[Peregrine]

Correct.

I use the round robin style pet assignment 90% of the time when I'm grinding just because it's easier. I also have 4 individual pet attack hotkeys if I ever need to manage which mob a specific pet tanks. My warlocks are still fairly low level though so I haven't come across anything that requires that level of pet micro.

At 40 I'll be switching to SL spec and I won't even need to micro pets.

You'll still do that at brd type level:) 1 mistake and you die.

[Sheiken]

Another quick question. How do you see all of the enemy debuffs on their nameplates in the video? I have Tukui and cant seem to get more than 6 showing at max and the std. wow classic nameplates does not support showing them?

[Apatheist]

Another quick question. How do you see all of the enemy debuffs on their nameplates in the video? I have Tukui and cant seem to get more than 6 showing at max and the std. wow classic nameplates does not support showing them?

ElvUI displays debuffs on enemy nameplates.

[smk]

Has anyone tried mixing in a mage or 2 or is the 4 warlock set up just overall better for dungeons? Im just currently starting my warlock/priest team, have some mages at 25 I could add, so just curious.

[Mercbeast]

I think the extra warlocks have the benefit of having those extra pets to tank with. Whether or not it's better from a pure min/max perspective, probably not, but, it might be easier to use, which is a bonus all its own.

[nodoze]

Has anyone tried mixing in a mage or 2 or is the 4 warlock set up just overall better for dungeons? Im just currently starting my warlock/priest team, have some mages at 25 I could add, so just curious.Personally I liked the idea of including 1 mage for water/food/ports though if I already had one at cap I likely would just do 4 Warlocks.

[Apatheist]

Mages and warlocks both have their strengths and weaknesses. For dungeon grinding it's just preference and you can do well with either group or with a combination of both.

Different story if you plan to PvP a lot. If you box mages you need all mages (plus a healer) to achieve maximum burst. If you box warlocks you need the critical mass of DoT's to overwhelm healers. They play very differently as a boxed group so mixing them will weaken your group as a whole.