How's Everyone Progressing so Far and What's Your Group Comp?

[Generalbrock]

Hopefully everyone is enjoying Classic so far. Personally, I tried running 5 yesterday but I don't have the intestinal fortitude to tackle all the collect quests and there weren't enough mobs to grind.

So today I rolled a priest and paladin and it's been incredibly fun. I might play around and add a third tomorrow. Any suggestions (I drive from the healer)?

But I was just wondering how it's going for everyone one else and what you're currently running in Classic.

[nodoze]

On Herod I got my 3Warriors+2Paladins to 11+ and I created 3 5man groups of 4Locks+1ShadowPriest (each Priest on a different account so I could mix and match) and ran all 3 groups through the level 4 tunnel to the Inn to get their rested bonus accruing (it should max within 10 days).

I also maxed out my 50 character count on a few accounts reserving key names on every server just in case.

I had originally planned on running from my Healer main but instead I am running from my lead Warrior and loving it (especially once I got Charge on my Warriors). I finished setting up VFX in ISboxer so I can heal/buff/dispel on both healer accounts from my Warriors' game clients and really like how it is going so far.

I recommend you try running/driving your duo from both characters and contrast/compare to see what you like more.

As far as what character to add to your duo I would consider adding a Mage for free water/food/portals and to boost your team's DPS. Paladin DPS isn't stellar & though a healing paladin is very mana efficient a DPS/tank Paladin does need to drink...

[Skullmonkey]

I was just wondering how it's going for everyone one else and what you're currently running in Classic.

I still haven't bee able to log in. XD
No big deal. I think the queue times will be fine next week. I'll have a lot of time to play in a couple of weeks. I'm in no hurry.

[Kojiiko]

Been playing warrior, 3 mages, and priest, Its been doing ok its level 12 just been doing some grindiing in the barren for cloth, Also going to try RFC later tomorrow, feels alittle slow with the dps.
My mages seems to be taking the aggro on the warrior with ease.

I also going a all lock combo, maybe with 1 healer. just created them get to level 4 and stick then in an Inn.

i saw some dude do 3 hunters and 2 shammies on twitch steam eariler and he was crazy killing mobs super fast!!! ( not sure I create a team for that looks alot of fun know

[Boostab]

I am just running 5 shaman's I hear ya on the collecting quest I just skip them level 8 at the moment. I am on Rattlegore server was thinking of a Rouge and Druid if I do a 2 team.

[baztubox]

Running Warrior, 2 Mages, Priest and shaman level 12 now. Mirage Raceway EU Horde

[Kojiiko]

Been playing warrior, 3 mages, and priest, Its been doing ok its level 12 just been doing some grindiing in the barren for cloth, Also going to try RFC later tomorrow, feels alittle slow with the dps.
My mages seems to be taking the aggro on the warrior with ease.

I also going a all lock combo, maybe with 1 healer. just created them get to level 4 and stick then in an Inn.

i saw some dude do 3 hunters and 2 shammies on twitch steam eariler and he was crazy killing mobs super fast!!! ( not sure I create a team for that looks alot of fun know


Just did RFC for the first time, and the 5th pull i wipe, 3 came tried to sheep two of them both resist spells, then i Panic and died ;;;

[tsincaat]

Dualboxing a warrior and mage and at level 13. Biggest issue has been holding aggro as the warrior can take a bit to build fury if Bloodrage is off cooldown and the mage can do quite a bit of damage out the gate.

My biggest concern going forward is getting warrior gear as I'm not that confident in running dungeons with 2 dps characters along with other people.

[Atwaa]

3 war 1 pally 1 priest
level 11 on herod, 51 min queues right now :)
My plan is to level those to 60 and then start a new 5 man group on my other account so i can start raiding at some point.

We only have 2 guys in the guild <Legion> so far, we need more!

[omnimultum]

ive made huge progress

from queplace 10654845329 to 2300

jokes aside my shaman, 3 warriors are level 13ish my brother who plays the 4th acc is 19 on his rogue and 12 or so on the hunter

[Mercbeast]

I went alliance, regret it, I was completely unaware that alliance has no level equivalent dungeon to RFC in vanilla! Overall I've probably had "good" luck. I got all 5 characters into the game about 3 hours after launch. Good news. Bad news is my old setups from 2011 which I haven't MB'd since didn't want to work. So I spent a few hours getting set back up. Just as I got things to decent level, 1 character crashed when I logged out at an inn to relaunch the team to fix character names in the team. Into the queue. Oh, I'm on herod. So 25k queue. Then the entire server is disconnected. I lose 2 more characters as I was unable to get them logged back in quickly enough. Good news, my first crash victim went from like 25k in queue, to about 13k, and my other two reconnects about 15k. So I duo'd 2 warriors (team is 4 war x 1 priest) to level 8 in a couple hours while the rest of my team got through the queue.

Rest of the team got in around midnight pacific? I was paranoid about leaving the two level 8's alone and just jumping them while trioing (didn't want to get reported or a GM to bump them off for being standing around, likelihood like 0, but hey I didn't want to be at the back of a 20k+ queue just in case ! :P ). The 5 man questing has been brutally slow. Layering hasn't really benefited the 5 box as much as it is benefiting lone/duo questers. Never enough mobs to satisfy the kill speed we're capable of. My lack of 1-15 alliance knowledge is also killing me for grinding potential. I've only really ever leveled up as alliance solo grinding 1x, back in 2005, and I did not remember any of it. Had I gone horde, I know exactly what spawns I would have just grinded my levels out on, with almost zero questing. Anyways, I'm sitting in queue right now, 800ish in queue, level 18, about to dip my toes into deadmines, after an abortive attempt at 15 with mostly grey gear :). Once I can start grinding the dungeons, the speed will pick up, I could have risked a run to WC to get started at 15, but, it's a pvp server, and I was pretty convinced I'd end up corpse camped if I got caught out in the Barrens.

[muldorante]

5 undead warlocks at level 15

It's been great, I can Cannibalize the same mob, !Shoot macro works great, Voids can tank pretty well

The downside is being called bot every 5min, sometimes its funny because everyone turns around and keep looking at you

First time playing classic and enjoying so far ^^

[xandorz]

My team is Druid, Priest, Mage, Warlock, Warlock playing horde on Firemaw EU. Currently lvl 18.

Enjoying the game, been lvling professions a lot.
153 skinning, 115 enchanting. 75 Tailoring. 100 Leatherworking. 131 Herbalism, 97 Mining.
114 Cooking, 91 Fishing.

Did RFC when 2 characters was lvl 14 and 3 was lvl 13. Very smooth run but took maybe 40 min.
Did RFC again at lvl 17. Took ~15 min to kill the 2 bosses that drops loot. I would get ~10k xp per hour if I did that nonstop if I managed to run out and sell in ~5 min. (I think xp from normal melee cleave was estimated at 19k per hour at lvl 15, so I am far behind those numbers but still ok xp)
Although I am too lazy to grind dungeons nonstop...

[Syclone]

Not so great. Got my team of 4 war 1 sham to 13. Tried to do RFC but quickly realizing my plan to drive from the shaman isnt going to work out. I am unable to maintain aggro while driving from the healer. I made some macros for the warriors to taunt individually but target assisting has a network delay. I am very curious how people are able to maintain aggro while driving from the healer. Any tips?

Currently I am planning on switching my setup to drive from a warrior and have keys/macros to heal or just scrap multi boxing all together. It would really suck to scrap it though. I have so much time invested.

[Relaxeswbear]

Not so great. Got my team of 4 war 1 sham to 13. Tried to do RFC but quickly realizing my plan to drive from the shaman isnt going to work out. I am unable to maintain aggro while driving from the healer. I made some macros for the warriors to taunt individually but target assisting has a network delay. I am very curious how people are able to maintain aggro while driving from the healer. Any tips?

Currently I am planning on switching my setup to drive from a warrior and have keys/macros to heal or just scrap multi boxing all together. It would really suck to scrap it though. I have so much time invested.

I recommend following this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUdAgbQmegE it helped me a lot to have a heal slave and was perfect

[nodoze]

Not so great. Got my team of 4 war 1 sham to 13. Tried to do RFC but quickly realizing my plan to drive from the shaman isnt going to work out. I am unable to maintain aggro while driving from the healer. I made some macros for the warriors to taunt individually but target assisting has a network delay. I am very curious how people are able to maintain aggro while driving from the healer. Any tips?

Currently I am planning on switching my setup to drive from a warrior and have keys/macros to heal or just scrap multi boxing all together. It would really suck to scrap it though. I have so much time invested.I am driving from one Warrior with the other's assisting and really like it more than playing on the healer.

Just like in that video that Relaxeswbear linked I am healing from my lead warrior via a VFX window to my healer's healing addon (I was using healbot but switched to Vuhdu).

Also consider leveling up to 15 before going back in just to make it smoother before going back in.

I wish you the best of luck. I think things should get better for you.

[sethlan]

I was thinking to level 3x warlocks 1x priest and 1x mage (Maybe ones I hit 60 on my Shamans)
I picked up 5x elemental shamans, level 12 1/2 the Q times after work are 2.5 hours.

I can't really level up faster. Shamans are pretty great so far, 1 shot the mobs starting with LTG bolt/EarthShock. I picked up all the professions, Skin, Herb, Mine. I enjoy the Game so far!

[Syclone]

I am currently switching to drive from the warrior. It is better. I am questioning if its worth it to multibox at all though.

[Twl231]

Currently level 15 with 24 hours played. War/Priest/Mage/Lock/Shammy.

Biggest surprises. Collect quests are easy. I use ISBoxer...set loot to free for all then just drive from all 5 toons finishing the quest 5 times. The dirty secret of Vanilla is that nobody likes the collection wuests, so those areas are usually empty. But there never was enough kill/travel auests to get to 60 so you just end up grinding anyway. Also, IWT is a blast. The damn class quests at 10 took forever...I’m looking at you fire totem. Wasted so much time sitting in a circle with others trying to tag Boss mobs for quests. Just broke down and made a /tar macro that i just switch for every quest like that. Really pisses people off, especially in the Undead area where all the emo teenagers play.

You Took me probably 15 hours to get to 10. Was seriously the most painful leveling experience...not because of MBing but trying to tag mobs for quests was just crazy. Olus the mobs were all erratic...instant respaws, stupid long leashes, and then mobs just running from nowwhere to chase me. I died a lot in caves like skull cave where the respawns were just absurd.

Rolled into RFC and ate a bunch of humble pie. Can’t hold aggro for shit on my warrior. Am I supposed to stance dance? I went with a two hander but think I’m going to go full prot with sword and board. Think I need to simplify things up. I have each key mapped to all 5 toons. Need to break it down to 5 keys for warrior, basic dps for casters and a few CC spells. My one problem I foresee is CCing multiple mobs. Might just make another target macro specific to each dungeon for sheeping. Kind of regret not bringing 3 mages just to simplify, but I really wanted the Lock for pvp and the Shammy seemed interesting to multibox because of totems and utility. I’m finding it might be too much.

now I’m hoping to get the hang of just grinding dungeons to 60. How do you folks do it? Do you just have a few basic spells bound? Or do you make intricate binding where you press one button and your tank does one thing, healer another, and dps something different?

[Mokoi]

I finally defeated the first boss in the Log In Dungeon.

Then my wife said it was bed time.

I wiped.

[Seekah]

Good to see that I am not the only one struggeling. I just hit lvl 20 after 38 hours (!!) /played with my comb (War, 3xMag, Priest). While most people in my guild are in their mid 30s.

I don't regret this decision since I really hope it will pay out in the endgame. Also I just did my first attempt to do the Deathmines and wiped two times, not a boss but to the pats that spawn after you defeated the boss.

I now realizre that it might take more than a month to finish what I started.

I hope to see a spell cleave dungeon tutorial for multiboxers soon. *looking at Dalo*

[Andreauk]

I recommend following this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUdAgbQmegE it helped me a lot to have a heal slave and was perfect


A big thumbs up for that video it was great :)

[Mmrwowboxer]

Ok I guess, I changed my group loot rules to "free for all" for my 5 man team, and that helped a little with looting from the character that needs from the mob drop's.

I'm about 30 hours in, level 13 x5. I spent about 5 hours doing the first 4 quests in Westfall. The ones where you pick up the 8 oats, loot 8 gortusk livers, and kill a bunch of different stuff for the Westfall Stew. Musta killed a few hundred mobs and circled around the top half of Westfall about 5 times.

I am contemplating rolling on Herod or Faerlina now that the que times are better. I'm on Deviate Delight now and it seems kinda dead. I'm only gonna 2 box if I re roll tho. Paladin, Mage, or Paladin Warlock. I kind of owe it to myself to at least get to leveling in the dungeons to see if my feelings change tho.

Either the que times will slowly get better, or slowly get worse. Im gonna keep my eye on things and make a decision.

[Kroad]

Ok I guess, I changed my group loot rules to "free for all" for my 5 man team, and that helped a little with looting from the character that needs from the mob drop's.

I'm about 30 hours in, level 13 x5. I spent about 5 hours doing the first 4 quests in Westfall. The ones where you pick up the 8 oats, loot 8 gortusk livers, and kill a bunch of different stuff for the Westfall Stew. Musta killed a few hundred mobs and circled around the top half of Westfall about 5 times.

I am contemplating rolling on Herod or Faerlina now that the que times are better. I'm on Deviate Delight now and it seems kinda dead. I'm only gonna 2 box if I re roll tho. Paladin, Mage, or Paladin Warlock. I kind of owe it to myself to at least get to leveling in the dungeons to see if my feelings change tho.

Either the que times will slowly get better, or slowly get worse. Im gonna keep my eye on things and make a decision.

you can also consider joining us on Blaumeux, longest queue I’ve seen so far is like 4K and it moved very quick so good but not crazy pop. I got in in 40 minutes last night at around 8:30. There are about 5 of us boxers in Moorea,s alliance guild “Epic”. Most folks focused on leveling right now, I’m only level 6 after a days solid effort but setups took a while once I switched servers. Let us know if you wanna hop over. The more the merrier.

[MTSkibum]

I am going warrior - lock - priest - mage - mage

I left the two mages at level 5 and my warrior lock priest is level 10. I will get the first 3 in deadmines, then go back get the mages, and then dungeon run.

This is the first time I have ever multi-boxed and it might be easier to learn with smaller groups to begin with.


One question is how can i have both my mages cast sheep at the same time in the dungeons.

[pinotnoir]

I have warrior, priest, shaman, mage, lock. I ran without setting up much of anything and they are level 9. Setting up Vudu and video fx regions once the server gets back online to try the instance in Org. Tons of stuff to setup in the future.

[MTSkibum]

Twice I have been forcibly disconnected due to server crashes, and both times my macros have completely reset.

Has anyone else had to do this. It is a pain to create all of the macros over and over again on multiple accounts.

[rleur]

5 undead warlocks at level 15

It's been great, I can Cannibalize the same mob, !Shoot macro works great, Voids can tank pretty well

The downside is being called bot every 5min, sometimes its funny because everyone turns around and keep looking at you

First time playing classic and enjoying so far ^^

This the one your successfully wanding with? "/castsequence [exists] !shoot,!shoot"

[Skullmonkey]

Twice I have been forcibly disconnected due to server crashes, and both times my macros have completely reset.

Has anyone else had to do this. It is a pain to create all of the macros over and over again on multiple accounts.

After creating your macros, log off and log back in, in order to "save" the changes. Similar to making changes in Windows and they don't "save" due to an unexpected shutdown.

[MTSkibum]

Ok, they should be saved then, last night was the first time I have logged off by choice.

[xandorz]

This the one your successfully wanding with? "/castsequence [exists] !shoot,!shoot"

I use this macro (think it was quiding that recommended it): /cast [nochanneling] !Shoot

The issue I have is that shoot toggle, I tried the macro you mentioned also and it toggles off if you press the key when shoot is active, so the key isn't spammable...

My solution to it is to display the hotkey of the wands on my main window, so I can see that they are active. Before I did this I sometimes had just a few attacking. Haven't found any spammable macro yet, I still hope I find one some day.
I also did the same for cast bar on my healer to see when next heal is coming.

[dalo199]

I am absolutely loving Classic its been a blast! Im rocking a Warrior, 3x Mage, Priest and Deadmines has been so much fun.. Video on my youtube going up tonight of my run with commentary!!

I also plan to do WC tonight as well so that video wont be far away either... wife is getting annoying might have to spend a night with her over the weekend haha!

[Andreauk]

I have 5 Nelfs for Aly x4 Hunter with a Druid healer, and went with x5 Undead Locks for the Horde side (free mounts ftw)

Having a lot of fun but early days so no dungeons yet.

I don't mind the collection quests, if I have to kill more I loot more :)

[Skullmonkey]

I was finally able to log in all 5 toons last night on Stalagg [H]. I have a Druid, Hunter, Lock, Mage, Priest team. Maximum utility! I was able to get ISboxer setup with the quick start guide (I just wanted to play). I was able to relaunch without issue, but I had forgotten Ebony's app. I lost one toon to the queue when I added it. I decided to just play the druid for a bit since I'm limited on time for the next 2 weeks. I followed this fun guide for "The Durotar Druid." https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/cowyri/the_durotar_druid_how_and_why/ Just walking to Valley of Trials, picking up skinning and herbalism got me to level 3 +5 bars. The plan moving forward, pending decent queues, is to grind scorpids (Scorpid eye = 95c each!) with the 4 lvl1's until they are 3, then start the quests in VoT following the Horde 1-15 multiboxer guide. (oh! and I rode the Ratchet boat to Booty Bay for giggles and to kill some time. haha)

[omnimultum]

i think im gonna have to scratch my idea of warriors shaman leveling in dungeon

its just to hard to position for cleaving

i may just go my shaman, warrior to 60 than do something better for dungeons like a spellcleave

[Dreadone]

Doesnt work out for me at all. Played like 6 hours and am only lvl 8. All that questloot gathering+fighting for mobs is a real pain in the ass.
And just killing stuff with 1/5 ep each mob isnt worth it. You cant grind that out when u only got fireball. Really need to get to dungeon level. 3Mages 2Pal.
Am stuggeling to keep myself motivated. Would be much fast with 1 toon right now..Oh boy. =)

[tsincaat]

i think im gonna have to scratch my idea of warriors shaman leveling in dungeon

its just to hard to position for cleaving

i may just go my shaman, warrior to 60 than do something better for dungeons like a spellcleave

4 warriors, 1 shaman I take it?

Could I ask what makes it difficult? I'm interested in trying a similar composition myself.

I take it you're using a combination of /follow and CTM interact with target?


Doesnt work out for me at all. Played like 6 hours and am only lvl 8. All that questloot gathering+fighting for mobs is a real pain in the ass.
And just killing stuff with 1/5 ep each mob isnt worth it. You cant grind that out when u only got fireball. Really need to get to dungeon level. 3Mages 2Pal.
Am stuggeling to keep myself motivated. Would be much fast with 1 toon right now..Oh boy. =)

It can be slow, that's for sure. But it's probably best to skip any quests that require gathering many unique items on each character unless it's an area where you can easily grind exp. I would expect to do multiple faction starting areas if you're looking to quest. And yeah, that comp sounds like it'll be fairly slow until you get some AOEs, I am guessing 3x fire blast isn't enough to one shot?

[Dreadone]

I am guessing 3x fire blast isn't enough to one shot?

Not really...yet....haha :)

But what really annoys me more than all the slow crap is....that i cant sort my group correctly... Tank on top..3 dps..healer bottum like im used to. Doesnt work with the unitframes i testet (blizz raid frames and shadowed)
So i have to sort by alphabet.. /pukes. Im new to isboxer and messing around with stuff. Did a buffwindow and so on with clickbars :) Need another one for casting water and food....

[Twl231]

Good to see that I am not the only one struggeling. I just hit lvl 20 after 38 hours (!!) /played with my comb (War, 3xMag, Priest). While most people in my guild are in their mid 30s.

I don't regret this decision since I really hope it will pay out in the endgame. Also I just did my first attempt to do the Deathmines and wiped two times, not a boss but to the pats that spawn after you defeated the boss.

I now realizre that it might take more than a month to finish what I started.

I hope to see a spell cleave dungeon tutorial for multiboxers soon. *looking at Dalo*

I spent 5 hours in RFC on one run last night...Just trying to get my set up just right for running dungeons. I think that is thr most fascinating part of multiboxing....it can be as simple or detailed as you want. When I MB’d in BC I had maybe 3 spells on each toon and it was simply a follow script and assist my main and cast. But all I did was level out in the world.

With ISBoxer the functionality is off the charts. I run VFX bars for my Shammy Totems. Clique with my healer through VFX. Even VFX my CC spells so all I have to do is target and click. I also set it up so that my Tank can go through any spell with my casters just wanding and renewing. Then set up all the same tanks abilities but with all my dps abilitirs attached. It’s a thing of beauty. Still only level 19, but once I sorted that out I was clearing RFC in 30 mins. WC is next.

[Dawkinz]

I'm at 27 with my 3x war 1x paladin 1x priest team. Definitely slower than good dungeon grinding groups, but still faster than leveling solo - on a 6 days played pace to 60.

The thing that is standing out to me is how valuable the paladin is. Having a backup healer is SO useful.

[Mercbeast]

Here is a trick for looting.

Create a hotkey that sends IWT. Bind it to say, W. Go into your wow keybinds, and bind Interact on Mouse Over to W.

Now you can stand there, mouse over the corpse and hit W. Your minions will trundle over and loot without you having to target. I prefer it to targeting and then mashing IWT.

[omnimultum]

tsincaat (https://www.dual-boxing.com/members/31789-tsincaat)

the biggest issue is the positioning for cleave and the wonky IWT that sometimes sends you off to god knows where

and Pre level 30 or i would say 36 its very hard to keep aggro on all since you lack AOE

Cleave is good but when u got 4-5 mobs hitting on you

you end up having to heal alot and causing healing threat

the AOE threat just isnt there in the lowerlevels for warriors

and since you dont have mages etc you cant poly/cc targets which makes ranged monsters a real pain

Melee cleave works great i believe after 36 with sweeping, and whirlwind
and if IWT wasnt so wonky

but pre that its very painful

[rleur]

Changed gears and went druid tank, priest heals, and 3 mages, all around lvl 15 now. The arcane explosion AoE from the mages melts mobs at level when you run them into a group in Westfall.

[Mercbeast]

tsincaat (https://www.dual-boxing.com/members/31789-tsincaat)

the biggest issue is the positioning for cleave and the wonky IWT that sometimes sends you off to god knows where

and Pre level 30 or i would say 36 its very hard to keep aggro on all since you lack AOE

Cleave is good but when u got 4-5 mobs hitting on you

you end up having to heal alot and causing healing threat

the AOE threat just isnt there in the lowerlevels for warriors

and since you dont have mages etc you cant poly/cc targets which makes ranged monsters a real pain

Melee cleave works great i believe after 36 with sweeping, and whirlwind
and if IWT wasnt so wonky

but pre that its very painful

Cleave hits targets near what you hit. Positioning doesn't matter. I figured this out recently. Also, get the EMA boxing mod. Enable strobing for your warriors that persists in combat. Disable it in combat for your healer. This is a situation of 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Strobing makes your positioning more problematic because your minions will constantly turn to face you, however, it prevents the IWT running off like morons issue.

With strobing on, your minions will turn to hit the target everytime you use an IWT keypress however, so, if you spam your attack without regard for saving up rage, you will turn constantly to hit with your auto attacks.

I WAS driving with healer, but I switched to this system, and it works much much better and is much more enjoyable.

[Mmrwowboxer]

Here is a trick for looting.

Create a hotkey that sends IWT. Bind it to say, W. Go into your wow keybinds, and bind Interact on Mouse Over to W.

Now you can stand there, mouse over the corpse and hit W. Your minions will trundle over and loot without you having to target. I prefer it to targeting and then mashing IWT.

Can you use this and still use W to move forward? This sounds interesting but I'm not sure exactly what you mean. When you say create a hotkey do u mean go into keybinds and bind W to IWT, or write a macro for it. Do you use this on your main, your slaves, or both?

I'm sorry I'm kinda slow, but it seems like there a few steps missing. How can you have IWT, Interact with mouse over, and a movement key all one keybind (W)?


I know im grilling you with questions but as someone who still has alot of kinks in his multibox team I'm desperate to clean things up. Especially group Interaction, movement, looting etc.

[tsincaat]

Cleave hits targets near what you hit. Positioning doesn't matter. I figured this out recently. Also, get the EMA boxing mod. Enable strobing for your warriors that persists in combat. Disable it in combat for your healer. This is a situation of 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Strobing makes your positioning more problematic because your minions will constantly turn to face you, however, it prevents the IWT running off like morons issue.

With strobing on, your minions will turn to hit the target everytime you use an IWT keypress however, so, if you spam your attack without regard for saving up rage, you will turn constantly to hit with your auto attacks.

I WAS driving with healer, but I switched to this system, and it works much much better and is much more enjoyable.

I'll definitely try that myself too, thanks. Giving 4 warriors a shot.

[Moorea]

I am super slow, only hit 16 x 5 today (2 pallies, 2 locks (1 demo 1 affli), 1 arcane mage)
(my excuse is I spend more time coding and testing addons... and enjoying AH and professions)

But with my mage getting arcane explosion I basically spam heal the mage while she arcane explodes stuff and that makes quite a nice xp boost on some camps in westfall (the other dps and the tank being sort of useless in that configuration, outside of buffs etc)

[offive]

Hit level 21 with Druid 4xshams. I am under geared and under level in instances on my first attempt, so just being more patient. Working to tweak gear a bit to be more effective in instances. Cleared RFC at about 12? and half of WC at 18. The collection quests are so insane... I never boxed vanilla, started in BC. So nice to feel the burn :D

[omnimultum]

so i got EMA now i have a question how do i move the EMA team window i cant see a option to unlock and move it to a better location

nvm figured out how to move it with alt

Please do not hijack this thread with a support question. If you have an unrelated question, please open a new thread.
-MiRai

[Mmrwowboxer]

Just got my paladin, Warlock, Mage to level 17. I rerolled on a more populated server and this time I seem to level about twice as fast as the 5 man team I was lugging around since launch. Took about 2 12 hr days for me.

Kinda damned if you do, damned of you don't, as I couldn't find a group to run Deadmines on my 3 toons, so I logged off. Really wishing at this point I had a whole 5 man team, but after leveling them to 14 on another server I couldn't bear to go through that again. It was so mundane. With how much I've played if I was on a single char Id be up there in levels.

I'm gonna start 2 more characters, get them a few levels, and park them @ Stormwind for bank and professions. Maybe if I can't find any groups tomorrow after a fresh start I'll level those 2 and finish out the 5 man team. Now that there's somewhat of an economy I can always buy quest mats on the AH, and that would speed leveling up on them for sure.

[Vipeax]

https://www.dual-boxing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2208&stc=1

I reached level 40 just now. 4 mages and a priest.

[EaTCarbS]

Not progressing at all, damn queues.

[pinotnoir]

My alliance groups on Kitronos is lvl 13. I have a warrior, priest, mage, lock, and hunter. My horde group on Sulfuras is 14. They are warrior, priest, mage, lock, and shaman. Now the que's are getting better I may do a group on a server with some multiboxers.

[Peregrine]

https://www.dual-boxing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2208&stc=1

I reached level 40 just now. 4 mages and a priest.

Where are you playing? Quite fast! I am level 19 with 4 locks and 1x priest. Had to reroll from Stonespine EU , got lv 20 warlock 4x and priest there too.

[Lewsifur]

My lttle girl (6) joined me i. Game so I dropped the warrior shammy team and re-rolled 4x locks and mage.

I feel like Im shaving my teeth with a blunt razor with all of these collect quests. If I dont quest, then the xp per kill is mind boggling worse.

Almost lvl 9 now and looking forward to dungeons, some time, soonish...

Off topic, Mirai, are you running your lock team you tested with in your vlassic videos? If so, hows your progress in dungeons?

[Mercbeast]

Level 45 with my 4 warriors and priest. It was a rough ride. I hit level 28, at 4 days 8 hours played, which is just a couple hours faster than my fastest ever solo grinded hunter to 60 :(

Luckily I was able to ride a bit of the instance raiding gravy train which got me up to 36 which was a watershed moment for my team. I went from being basically forced to single target/+1 cleave targets down, to being able to legitimately aoe my way through instances.

[Vipeax]

Where are you playing? Quite fast! I am level 19 with 4 locks and 1x priest. Had to reroll from Stonespine EU , got lv 20 warlock 4x and priest there too.
Dreadmist, EU PVP.

[Void]

On Sulfuras Horde

Playing Shaman+4 warriors and super happy with the comp now. was slow to 12-13. I am 16 now and just chewing things up.

Started with mixed comp War, Priest, Magx2, Lock. Couldn't handle it was too slow.

This seems much better now!

[pinotnoir]

Void is there a multiboxing guild on Sulfuras?

[Hiddenbrom]

https://www.dual-boxing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2208&stc=1

I reached level 40 just now. 4 mages and a priest.


How are you leveling up so fast? I'm playing 10 warlocks in 2 parties of 5 and it's so slow.

[Vipeax]

How are you leveling up so fast? I'm playing 10 warlocks in 2 parties of 5 and it's so slow.
Enter dungeon -> kill -> reset -> repeat. In my personal opinion any minute spent outside a dungeon is wasted. I do zero quests and I vendor everything. In the time that I walk to the AH and back I can do 2 dungeon runs and make more gold and XP.

[Hiddenbrom]

Enter dungeon -> kill -> reset -> repeat. In my personal opinion any minute spent outside a dungeon is wasted. I do zero quests and I vendor everything. In the time that I walk to the AH and back I can do 2 dungeon runs and make more gold and XP.


I'm getting 18 exp per kill in dungeons with my 10 man raid, I guess I'm screwed. Really can't find a way to properly level. Maybe I should drop to 5 toons?

[Vipeax]

I'm getting 18 exp per kill in dungeons with my 10 man raid, I guess I'm screwed. Really can't find a way to properly level. Maybe I should drop to 5 toons?
With the XP fix you will be quicker leveling twice over playing them in 1 raid.

[Hiddenbrom]

With the XP fix you will be quicker leveling twice over playing them in 1 raid.

How did you fast level from 1 to 15? Did you skip all the collecting quests?

[Vipeax]

No, my friends and myself rerolled to a fresh realm on day 2. We were a bit behind the initial peak there and then I caught up massively from doing dungeons. I'm now in the top 200 of the server for sure. Top 50 online even.

[Hiddenbrom]

No, my friends and myself rerolled to a fresh realm on day 2. We were a bit behind the initial peak there and then I caught up massively from doing dungeons. I'm now in the top 200 of the server for sure. Top 50 online even.

Yeah but how did you level from 1 to 15?

[Vipeax]

Yeah but how did you level from 1 to 15?
Quest and grind everything on my path. Raid groups will slow you down much too.

[Hiddenbrom]

Quest and grind everything on my path. Raid groups will slow you down much too.

Yeah, I just accepted it. Will drop down to 5 toons and see how it goes.

[psycore]

On Sulfuras Horde

Playing Shaman+4 warriors and super happy with the comp now. was slow to 12-13. I am 16 now and just chewing things up.

Started with mixed comp War, Priest, Magx2, Lock. Couldn't handle it was too slow.

This seems much better now!


Level 45 with my 4 warriors and priest. It was a rough ride. I hit level 28, at 4 days 8 hours played, which is just a couple hours faster than my fastest ever solo grinded hunter to 60 :(

Luckily I was able to ride a bit of the instance raiding gravy train which got me up to 36 which was a watershed moment for my team. I went from being basically forced to single target/+1 cleave targets down, to being able to legitimately aoe my way through instances.


Nice reading! Im starting this comp myself as a first time multiboxer. Are you driving from the tank?

Do you have any tips for this setup? Best keybinds, macros, rotations etc?

Appropriate all help for a enthusiastic boxer noob :D

[nodoze]

I'm getting 18 exp per kill in dungeons with my 10 man raid, I guess I'm screwed. Really can't find a way to properly level. Maybe I should drop to 5 toons?Has the nerf to raids getting too much XP in Raids been implemented on Live yet?

My understanding was that they announced a hotfix to reduce the XP in raids about 21 hours ago but I don't know if the fix went in immediately (or if there was a delay). The announcement was here:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-hotfix-raid-party-xp-bug/282032

Did you ever get the benefits of the 10 man raid XP before the hotfix and did you notice the difference after?

More discussion on the XP before/after and timing should be here:

https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/56033-XP-data-for-sizes-1-8

[Vipeax]

Has the nerf to raids getting too much XP in Raids been implemented on Live yet?

My understanding was that they announced a hotfix to reduce the XP in raids about 21 hours ago but I don't know if the fix went in immediately (or if there was a delay). The announcement was here:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-hotfix-raid-party-xp-bug/282032

Did you ever get the benefits of the 10 man raid XP before the hotfix and did you notice the difference after?

More discussion on the XP before/after and timing should be here:

https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/56033-XP-data-for-sizes-1-8
The hotfix was applied there and done live without a restart being required.

[Void]

Void is there a multiboxing guild on Sulfuras?

Not specifically for multiboxing but i did run into another 5 boxer and we joined the same guild.

I'm only lvl 17 atm but id be willing to help out any other MBers to start up and we could make a new guild.

[Void]

Nice reading! Im starting this comp myself as a first time multiboxer. Are you driving from the tank?

Do you have any tips for this setup? Best keybinds, macros, rotations etc?

Appropriate all help for a enthusiastic boxer noob :D

I drive from the healer. Just feels more comfortable that way to me personally.

As for rotation i have a simple castsequence to charge then rend. One warrior casts Thunder clap while the others cast Heroic strike. Once i hit 18 and get rank 2 of thunder clap i may switch them all to use it. That is basically it for warriors.

Shaman is click healing with healbot addon. throw down totems and play green bar wack a mole with healing wave.

With Merc being much higher level it would be interesting to hear his AOE madness.

[smk]

I am curious, how do you think a hunter would be in this group comp?

[nodoze]

The hotfix was applied there and done live without a restart being required.Ah OK. I wasn't sure if the clients had to get a fix at all and if not restarting the clients could prolong it.

I am still curious if was able to experience it both ways and if he noticed the change.

[smk]

I have been leveling a Warrior, 3x Mages and a Priest. I am considering switching the 3 mages for 2 warriors and a paladin and/or 1war, 1 rogue 1 paladin.

I really like having the endless supply of potions too, but not sure if i should further mesh things by leaving 1 mage in the mix. I was curious if anyone had experience with rogues in a group comp for classic so far?

[Mercbeast]

Nice reading! Im starting this comp myself as a first time multiboxer. Are you driving from the tank?

Do you have any tips for this setup? Best keybinds, macros, rotations etc?

Appropriate all help for a enthusiastic boxer noob :D

I'm setup to drive from both perspectives. In general I prefer the tank POV, but there are times where there is just too much shit going on as a healer to really effectively heal/play the healer well and in those cases I drive with the healer.

Basically, if the content is "easy" you get far more mileage out of the warrior. If its "hard" you might need to focus on doing well with the healer.

Couple pointers, I recommend you setup your basic attack button to be JUST an assist/IWT with a /startattack macro. So like, in my case, use this as "1", my DPS rotation is then shift+1. The reason imo is this is the most comfortable way to spam to switch targets, WITHOUT blowing all your rage when you want to save it for stuff like sweeping strikes.

I'd also get a weak aura setup, and create rage counters for all your warriors so you can see quickly and efficiently what everyones rage is at. Basically what I do is, charge in, pop sweeping strikes, stance swap to zerker, and whirlwind. Before I got WW though, you had to be more more conscious of your rotation because you could easily blow your rage and never get SS up.

Your healer needs an IWT also, that is the face/step back IWT, IMHO. This means that when you enter combat, they stop moving away from the group, which is a big help for mobs that kick healers. I use this all in conjunction with the EMA mod with strobing set on, but set to pause in combat. Also, get your priest a wand ASAP, and give them a wand attack macro that looks like this. /castsequence [exists] !shoot,!shoot
That macro will keep them shooting. Just be-careful, wands are crazy good single target DPS early and you can and will pull agro early on with it :)

[Fuzzyboy]

Enter dungeon -> kill -> reset -> repeat. In my personal opinion any minute spent outside a dungeon is wasted. I do zero quests and I vendor everything. In the time that I walk to the AH and back I can do 2 dungeon runs and make more gold and XP.

I like your approach :-) How do you expect to fare at max level dungeons? Do you think 4 mages + priest will be viable from a pre-raid BIS farming perspective?

[Vipeax]

I like your approach :-) How do you expect to fare at max level dungeons? Do you think 4 mages + priest will be viable from a pre-raid BIS farming perspective?

It depends on the boss, but I will get someone to tank for me once in a while if needed. One good friend plays a druid and the other plays a warrior.

[Andreauk]

I haven't been very impressed with locks so far.. no aoe yet but did clear the trash np all the way to the first boss in RFC.. but the first boss ate my voidwalkers for breakfast - this was at level 15.

Have swapped to an Undead team of Warrior tank, Priest healer, x2 Mages and a Warlock.. killing things far faster now.

Big thumbs up to Dalo - that clique heal vid was awesome.. can heal from the main now :)

[Earshy]

Enter dungeon -> kill -> reset -> repeat. In my personal opinion any minute spent outside a dungeon is wasted. I do zero quests and I vendor everything. In the time that I walk to the AH and back I can do 2 dungeon runs and make more gold and XP.

Hey, Vipeax - any chance you would be willing to share which dungeons you were hitting at what level for the best xp? I'm running a 5 box shaman crew right now and they're only 26. I've been busting my ass questing and grinding dungeons sounds like a welcome change. I just tried RFK. I was able to kill all of the elites, and got to the first boss (Deathspeaker) and got him to like 5%. It seemed super inefficient though. Some of the 30-31 elites took a lot of my mana to kill and I had to drink after each kill. Anyway, if you can shed any light on the subject I'd appreciate it.

[Vipeax]

Hey, Vipeax - any chance you would be willing to share which dungeons you were hitting at what level for the best xp? I'm running a 5 box shaman crew right now and they're only 26. I've been busting my ass questing and grinding dungeons sounds like a welcome change. I just tried RFK. I was able to kill all of the elites, and got to the first boss (Deathspeaker) and got him to like 5%. It seemed super inefficient though. Some of the 30-31 elites took a lot of my mana to kill and I had to drink after each kill. Anyway, if you can shed any light on the subject I'd appreciate it.

You always want to be at least 1 level above your enemies and farm until they turn gray. They give less XP/mob, but your survivability increases a lot due to defense level (= bigger pulls) and less resists/misses due to the level difference. I did RFC until 18. WC until 22. Farmed the circle until the Commander boss (the silencing humanoids) in SFK until 25 or 26. Did the rest of the instance until 27. BFD for 2 levels. RFK the boar gauntlet farm until I felt comfortable killing the rest of the dungeon. I would do a normal clear until the bat cave and then jump down there to do the boar gauntlet on my way out of the dungeon. After that it's SM GY until you are comfortable with Library. Armory is not worth it for clothies, might be ok for shamans too. Cath can be farmed until 43-44.

Forcing yourself to kill higher yellow (your level +1 or +2) or even worse, orange, mobs is never faster. It simply never is. Don't even bother.

Bosses also aren't worth it unless you need the gear they drop. SM library is a perfect example. As soon as you have the gear you want from the last boss killing him takes as long as the first 2 rooms in the dungeon. I get more gold and XP simply going back in and starting over. The hound guy is never worth it.

[Earshy]

Right on. Thank you for the reply. I was killing red elites in RFK and it was atrocious. I'll have to go check out SFK again. I did a full run earlier and couldn't get Arugal because of his teleporting and charming BS, so I moved on. Up until Aurgal though was cake. Thanks again!

Good point about the bosses. Appreciate that edit!

[Vipeax]

Actually the SFK numbers may be off. I did it until the first mobs were gray.

[Earshy]

I'd kinda written SFK off because of all the green mobs - so they're still good to go as greens? I guess the real game here is kill volume, regardless of level?

[Vipeax]

Killing 3 packs of 10 mobs that give 70 XP (2100 total) each beats killing 2 packs of 10 mobs giving 90 xp (1800). Add to that that a single corpse run in 1 hour means you lose more XP/hr than you will ever gain from doing more difficult mobs.

[Earshy]

That really puts questing vs instances in to perspective. I'm getting 2100xp per quest right now in Thousand Needles. The quests certainly take longer than killing 30 mobs in SFK...

[Vipeax]

That really puts questing vs instances in to perspective. I'm getting 2100xp per quest right now in Thousand Needles. The quests certainly take longer than killing 30 mobs in SFK...
Leveling outside dungeons means you get less XP and you will be broke. I just hit level 44. I had all 5 characters mounted as soon as I hit level 40 and I'm currently back to ~400g again.

[Earshy]

Yeah, that's impressive. I'm 26.5 right now and I have like 60g to my name. I feel like I'm doing alright but I can see how instances would bring a lot more gold.

[Lewsifur]

I haven't been very impressed with locks so far.. no aoe yet but did clear the trash np all the way to the first boss in RFC.. but the first boss ate my voidwalkers for breakfast - this was at level 15.

Have swapped to an Undead team of Warrior tank, Priest healer, x2 Mages and a Warlock.. killing things far faster now.

Big thumbs up to Dalo - that clique heal vid was awesome.. can heal from the main now :)

That does t bode well. I finally reached ten tonight. Did you have multiple voids up and repet or did he just chew threw them all?

[Skullmonkey]

How are you leveling up so fast? I'm playing 10 warlocks in 2 parties of 5 and it's so slow. He's straight mercin' with dat AOE. :D

[Earshy]

Haha tell me about it. He has me questioning my 5 shaman composition!

[Andreauk]

That does t bode well. I finally reached ten tonight. Did you have multiple voids up and repet or did he just chew threw them all?

He does a horrid aoe attack and down the voidwalkers went, and the Locks get threat sooo easy too.. it was pretty funny tbh. Maybe it would be better at a higher level?

I want to invest in the first team 100% so swapped to trinity.

[Hiddenbrom]

Leveling outside dungeons means you get less XP and you will be broke. I just hit level 44. I had all 5 characters mounted as soon as I hit level 40 and I'm currently back to ~400g again.

Would you mind sharing your mages talent tree?

[nodoze]

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Couple pointers, I recommend you setup your basic attack button to be JUST an assist/IWT with a /startattack macro. So like, in my case, use this as "1", my DPS rotation is then shift+1. The reason imo is this is the most comfortable way to spam to switch targets, WITHOUT blowing all your rage when you want to save it for stuff like sweeping strikes.
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Your healer needs an IWT also, that is the face/step back IWT, IMHO. This means that when you enter combat, they stop moving away from the group, which is a big help for mobs that kick healers. I use this all in conjunction with the EMA mod with strobing set on, but set to pause in combat. Also, get your priest a wand ASAP, and give them a wand attack macro that looks like this. /castsequence [exists] !shoot,!shoot
That macro will keep them shooting. Just be-careful, wands are crazy good single target DPS early and you can and will pull agro early on with it :)Could you please post your recommended Warrior Macros to the Macro example thread:

https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/56054-Examples-of-Classic-Wow-Macros

There are lots of people doing groups with Warriors and having them in a thread focused on macros would be great.

Putting the Priest one there also would be great. I think there are examples of the wand one already there but I have not seen an example of the "face/step back IWT" one.

[Vipeax]

Would you mind sharing your mages talent tree?
https://www.dual-boxing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2209&stc=1

[nodoze]

He does a horrid aoe attack and down the voidwalkers went, and the Locks get threat sooo easy too.. it was pretty funny tbh. Maybe it would be better at a higher level?

I want to invest in the first team 100% so swapped to trinity.Were you wiping to bosses which were green to you? I am hoping some folk can do well with pet classes as I want to take a Warlock based team up next and would like to know that someone is successful with 4 Locks+Priest. I want to be doing dungeons at least from 20->35 (don't mind having to grind up to roughly 20 because on Alliance really Deadmines is the first easy access instance).

[Vipeax]

Were you wiping to bosses which were green to you? I am hoping some folk can do well with pet classes as I want to take a Warlock based team up next and would like to know that someone is successful with 4 Locks+Priest. I want to be doing dungeons at least from 20->35 (don't mind having to grind up to roughly 20 because on Alliance really Deadmines is the first easy access instance).
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/475301368

[kraemder]

I started a priest/warrior team (Driving from the tank) and it was kinda slow going but also kind of fun in that I could obviously heal myself and my priest's auto attacks and dots sped up kills. With two toons I found that grouping spontaneous grouping for quests was possible but also kind of annoying because groups fill up fast so the slave toon was kind of a liability for that. Around lvl 17 I decided to switch from warrior to druid. I felt undergeared and leatherworking/skinning seemed SO much easier to lvl up than mining/blacksmithing. Then I decided that although 2 boxing was fun sometimes, at other times it seemed a liability, and it was probably slowing my leveling down a little even if I died less often. I stopped the slave priest and I'm currently lvl 22 on my druid. But there's some quests I just can't do in Silverpine even though they're not elite quests and they're low lvl to me. And there isn't a ton of other players hanging out doing these quests so I'm thinking of bringing back my priest again. I've also both healed and tanked WC on my druid and it's fun but I think I can 2 box it ok with my priest. It's a lot of buttons to press and takes a bit more concentration so maybe it's not something I'd want to do every night though. But I'm thinking the 2 man team might be worth pursuing.

[MiRai]

Off topic, Mirai, are you running your lock team you tested with in your vlassic videos? If so, hows your progress in dungeons?
I have not yet stepped foot into Classic.

[Andreauk]

Were you wiping to bosses which were green to you? I am hoping some folk can do well with pet classes as I want to take a Warlock based team up next and would like to know that someone is successful with 4 Locks+Priest. I want to be doing dungeons at least from 20->35 (don't mind having to grind up to roughly 20 because on Alliance really Deadmines is the first easy access instance).

I went with 5 Locks.. I guess it would have been better with a healer. I am very happy with trinity atm though :)

[nodoze]

I went with 5 Locks.. I guess it would have been better with a healer. I am very happy with trinity atm though :)OK sorry I misunderstood. I though you were saying you weren't having any luck with 4Locks+Healer and I was getting concerned as I have 5 teams of 4Locks+Priest (with each team's Priest on a seperate account so I could also do an all Priest team if wanted).

I picked that team composition for my crafters so they could also be summoners to help me get around the maps and also because I figured they could be among the most easy leveling that I could do even when I feel half brain dead.

And then I saw the following video and Laughed out Loud (LoL) as Vipeax literally named his team Brain Dead:


https://www.twitch.tv/videos/475301368Thanks Vipeax. I especially like at ~2:00 the back to back kill of Morgraine->Whitemane->Morgraine!

[dalo199]

Hit level 35 today.. video going up on the SM grinding ive been doing.. didn't realise Herod was 40 and made it all the way to him just to have all my spells resist and not be able to kill him hah

[Andreauk]

I settled with Undead team of Warrior tank, x2 Frost mages, and Affliction Lock and a Holy Priest. Covers portals and summons.. can help other out a bit too.

[nodoze]

I settled with Undead team of Warrior tank, x2 Frost mages, and Affliction Lock and a Holy Priest. Covers portals and summons.. can help other out a bit too.If I was doing a ranged team (that works in either faction) that is likely what I would do

[ohmsten]

Got my 4x warrior 1 shaman group to 15 earlier today and started running RFC. Working out pretty great so far. Cleave at 20 should make it even better.

[Peregrine]

Still progressing wiht my lock 4x and disc. For outside world, I am cleaving so hard it's joke. Prepping soon for dungeon but unlike, the other guy taht streams lock priest, i might go with dot cleave. Will see how it will pan up. Also rolling troll disc due to 20% ms effect which is godgiven in pvp since it's spammable. Already got my bis gear sorted out so it's just matter of reaching 60. Currently 26, but should hit 35+ over the course of next 3 days. At 50 I am swapping out the pets for ultra dot cleave so Might go ham with coex and just kite the the proper way and that should be fun.


Keep it up guys.

[nodoze]

Got my 4x warrior 1 shaman group to 15 earlier today and started running RFC. Working out pretty great so far. Cleave at 20 should make it even better.I would love to see how windfury totem puts 4 warriors on steroids. I really like duo Paladins for WPVP healing but a shaman chaining-healing the team while giving 4 Warriors WindFury totem (among other totems) has got to be one of the best, if not the best, 5man Warrior DPS output scenarios.

[kraemder]

Not so great. Got my team of 4 war 1 sham to 13. Tried to do RFC but quickly realizing my plan to drive from the shaman isnt going to work out. I am unable to maintain aggro while driving from the healer. I made some macros for the warriors to taunt individually but target assisting has a network delay. I am very curious how people are able to maintain aggro while driving from the healer. Any tips?

Currently I am planning on switching my setup to drive from a warrior and have keys/macros to heal or just scrap multi boxing all together. It would really suck to scrap it though. I have so much time invested.

Driving from the tank is the only way to do it. I'm surprised people would try anything else. The healer can face any direction and heal so autofollow works perfectly and just setup keybinds to heal. The tank is that guy that needs constant attention running around picking up mobs.

[Earshy]

Hit level 35 today.. video going up on the SM grinding ive been doing.. didn't realise Herod was 40 and made it all the way to him just to have all my spells resist and not be able to kill him hah

Hey Dalo, curious if you have been monitoring your XP/HR. I'm running 5 shamans and am currently level 28 and in BFD. I feel like I move along quickly through the dungeon, but I can't seem to keep up more than like 16k xp/hr. I'd like to know how it compares to your setup if you have been keeping track. Cheers :).

[Mmrwowboxer]

Dusted of my 5x 17's (pally, priest, 3 mages) after getting tired of Faerlina. I went into the Deadmines with all whites and pulled one mob at a time up to the first boss, then resetting. On the second try, I pulled the first boss and barely beat him, then wiped on the paths that spawn behind you. I reset, equipped some new greens, and made it all the way to the level 19's in the Goblin room. After wiping a few times I figured this was my limit. So I did the instance over and over a few times, equipping better gear before each run. The runs got faster and faster, each time, and now I could do it in about 10 minutes.

[Twl231]

I'm 28 and working on grinding BFDs to get to 30 for SM Graveyard. Gold has been good, I think I have 25 on my main and 10-20 on all the other toons, and I will only need to buy 4 mounts. I've spent a lot of time leveling professions and going back to training new spells. Probably could be 30-32 if I hardcore no lifed it, but it's fun to run class quests, train spells, etc.

Getting about 6-8k XP per hour.

[nodoze]

Dusted of my 5x 17's (pally, priest, 3 mages) after getting tired of Faerlina. I went into the Deadmines with all whites and pulled one mob at a time up to the first boss, then resetting. On the second try, I pulled the first boss and barely beat him, then wiped on the paths that spawn behind you. I reset, equipped some new greens, and made it all the way to the level 19's in the Goblin room. After wiping a few times I figured this was my limit. So I did the instance over and over a few times, equipping better gear before each run. The runs got faster and faster, each time, and now I could do it in about 10 minutes.That all sounds pretty systematic & good! I pretty much just farmed outside the instance until 20+. Congrats!

[MythxMew123]

Just made a 5 man team on Bloodsail Buccaneers :) For a Tank Pally, Healer Priest. for dps 1 mage and 2 locks :o

[kadaan]

Finally got around to starting up a team on Atiesh-Horde. Doing Warrior (tank) Priest (healer) and Shaman/Warlock/Hunter for dps. Randomly ran into Kojiiko in the starting area :D.

[Seekah]

I couldnt make a level since sunday. So yesterday i finally dinged 31 and ran to SM GY with my team of Warrior, 3 Mages and Priest.
First run went super smooth. Will do some more today. And since I can only play today and Sunday I hope to be 33-34 by the end of this weekend.

[Kraxx]

Has anyone any success with 4 Warriors and a Sham-Healer or is this group only viable with some decent gear later on?

[Mmrwowboxer]

That all sounds pretty systematic & good! I pretty much just farmed outside the instance until 20+. Congrats!

TY. I know you've been asking me to roll on Herod, but for my own reasons I decided on Faerlina. I had to switch because, well let's just say that server's not for me. I went back to my original server Deviate-Delight. I figured out I'm not a "Large" server kind of guy. Anyway maybe I'll make a few characters there on the future.

[nodoze]

Has anyone any success with 4 Warriors and a Sham-Healer or is this group only viable with some decent gear later on?When/if I do a Horde team one team I have thought about is 4 Warrior+Shaman. That being said I have done 3Warriors+2Paladins into the 20s and have some lessons learned am interested in folks feedback on 4Warriors+Shaman.

With shamans not getting healing totem until Level 20 and not getting Chain Heal until Level 40+ I am curious how they have found having a single Shaman healer was with 4 Warriors before then.

Personally I found it best for my Warrior group to wait to go into the Deadmines until Level 20 and ideally would wait until 22+ for attempting full clears. Overall I found 3 Warriors pretty strong except for when I faced 2 or more of the AoE caster mobs (like Defias Evokers) and really needed to step back and get my Shield Bashing rotation down to get through those.

One thing I noticed is there have been many times I have been grateful that I have 2 Healers as even trying to be careful on pulls I have had many times where the incoming damage seemed too much for a single healer to keep my team up. Even when the spike damage was manageable from a single healer there have been several fights where I would have gone Out of Mana (OOM) on a single healer. I mitigated this some by setting up rank 1 'Holy Light's until I got 'Flash of Light' at level 20 and taking turns healing from one healer so the other can leverage the 5 second mana regen rule also seemed to help. I also added some mana pots for both for boss fights. It should get much better once I have full Illumination talents at level 29 and even better when I get 'Seal of Light' at 30 but I have to get to to Level 29/30 first and am concerned that it would have been much more frustrating to get there with a single healer...

Note that I have these healing concerns even running 1 Warrior as my "Lead" and making sure he was running 1H+Shield and had the best armor and mostly in Defensive stance pushing AoE aggro so that damage was mostly focused into the most mitigated spot on my team (though all of my team is in mail with shields when needed).

Bottom line is that I am interested in what other people running Warriors have felt regarding healing, especially if they only have 1 healer... Eventually at cap once my Warriors are fully geared I anticipate that I swap one Healer for a 4th Warrior but up to this point so far I am glad I have had 2 Healers.

[Mercbeast]

Warriors are kind of painful until 36. I'm running 4x warriors + 1 priest. It was unbelievably slow going instance grinding until 36. I started with dead mines as well, at 18, and I basically just farmed the first two bosses until level 20 or 21. Then I did some full clears for the quests. I did stockades to 27 then moved to gnomer until 31, and then did SM GY until 35, Library until 38, armory until 42 (to get 4x ravagers, it took me like 35 full clears to get 4 ravager drops), Cathedral until 44.

The big issue is you just don't have the cleave that mages and warlocks do until 36, and even then, it's not a terrific amount of cleave. Mostly even now pulling more than ~6 mobs is pretty pointless because my bread and butter aoe abilities only hit a max of 4 targets, or 2.

(edit) I will say, once horde has wind fury totem, their warrior groups would be noticeably better than alliance, for obvious reasons.

Like I said, it was incredibly slow, and it only picked up around level 40, where I was able to maintain 35kish xp per run (real xp per hour probably closer to 30k, due to running out etc). To give context, my /played at level 28 was 4 days 9 hours I think, and the fastest hunter I solo mob grinded to 60 back in 2005 was around 4 days 12 hours. Now, granted, a not insignificant portion of my time on this group was basically jumping up and down to avoid going into a 20k queue :)

[Drakhoun]

Hi all,

I have 2 teams:

1. Horde- warrior, priest, x3 fire mages
I was able to AOE grind RFC at level 16 using AE. I can pull up to 3-4 mobs at one time. Cleared about 5/6 times and hit level 19.
I then did WC. I was able to AOE 3-4 mobs at level 20. After about 3-4 runs im at level 22 now.

2. Alliance- paladin, priest, x3 frost mages
I went to DM at level 20. At 21 I can easily AOE 3-4 mobs and clear the dungeon. Team is at level 22 now.

What I learned thus far:

1. A lot of people have been reporting me for ‘botting’ which is annoying. I hope Blizz dont auto ban me as im only multiboxing and its legal.
2. Watch Dalo’s youtube videos. It helps a lot. Thanks bro!
3. Warrior is great at holding single mob threat. But its a bit tricky with multiple mobs. When there are 3 or more, i had to use sheep.
4. I feel like warrior has easier rotation than paladin.
5. Paladin holds aggro for multiple mobs with retribution aura and consecration very well, better than warrior.
6. I use judgment as ‘taunt’ for my paladin and it works very well. Dont keep judging. Keep it for when you lose threat. I can hold aggro with consecration alone and use judgment when i lose threat.
7. I have to be careful that i dont consecrate the area where i have sheeped a mob
8. Fire mages does a lot more DPS than Frost mages at this stage. But not by a huge margin.
9. Priest healers almost never run out of mana. The only time i run out of mana was when i fought VC at level 20.
10. Paladin team was generally able to AOE more mobs at one time as paladin was able to hold threat better with multiple mobs.
11. Its good to go to the dungeons when you are at least same level as most mobs.
12. Multiboxing is so much fun!

ps- i hate druid of the fang (can put your priest to sleep for 15sec) and the raptors as they keep calling for help. I realized its easier to just LOS pull them.

[Twl231]

Yeah, I would not advise anyone roll a Warrior Priest Shaman Mage Lock...The comp is just too slow even with all the utility. I’m watching the cideos pf groups AOE farming RFK and I’m fucking pulling one at a time and running them back. Fuck that! I tried AOE farming, but the Shammy is worth dog shit so the lock and Mage don’t quite have enough to take down a pack and shit...half the time I died because the damn Shammy’s VFX and Clique would just decide not to heal for me. I’m rerolling two Mages tomorrow morning.

How do you boost characters?

[eclipz8002]

Hi all,

I have 2 teams:

1. Horde- warrior, priest, x3 fire mages
I was able to AOE grind RFC at level 16 using AE. I can pull up to 3-4 mobs at one time. Cleared about 5/6 times and hit level 19.
I then did WC. I was able to AOE 3-4 mobs at level 20. After about 3-4 runs im at level 22 now.

2. Alliance- paladin, priest, x3 frost mages
I went to DM at level 20. At 21 I can easily AOE 3-4 mobs and clear the dungeon. Team is at level 22 now.

What I learned thus far:

1. A lot of people have been reporting me for ‘botting’ which is annoying. I hope Blizz dont auto ban me as im only multiboxing and its legal.
2. Watch Dalo’s youtube videos. It helps a lot. Thanks bro!
3. Warrior is great at holding single mob threat. But its a bit tricky with multiple mobs. When there are 3 or more, i had to use sheep.
4. I feel like warrior has easier rotation than paladin.
5. Paladin holds aggro for multiple mobs with retribution aura and consecration very well, better than warrior.
6. I use judgment as ‘taunt’ for my paladin an it works very well. Dont keep judging. Keep it for when you lose threat. I can hold aggro with consecration alone and use judgment when i lose threat.
7. I have to be careful that i dont consecrate the area where i have sheeped a mob
8. Fire mages does a lot more DPS than Frost mages at this stage. But not by a huge margin.
9. Priest healers almost never run out of mana. The only time i run out of mana was when i fought VC at level 20.
10. Paladin team was generally able to AOE more mobs at one time as paladin was able to hold threat better with multiple mobs.
11. Its good to go to the dungeons when you are at least same level as most mobs.
12. Multiboxing is so much fun!

ps- i hate druid of the fang (can put your priest to sleep for 15sec) and the raptors as they keep calling for help. I realized its easier to just LOS pull them.

I think I saw your group in desolace tonight

[Drakhoun]

I think I saw your group in desolace tonight

Haha its probably not me. I’ve yet to go to Desolace. My horde are all trolls with pink hair :D

[Drakhoun]

Yeah, I would not advise anyone roll a Warrior Priest Shaman Mage Lock...The comp is just too slow even with all the utility. I’m watching the cideos pf groups AOE farming RFK and I’m fucking pulling one at a time and running them back. Fuck that! I tried AOE farming, but the Shammy is worth dog shit so the lock and Mage don’t quite have enough to take down a pack and shit...half the time I died because the damn Shammy’s VFX and Clique would just decide not to heal for me. I’m rerolling two Mages tomorrow morning.

How do you boost characters?

Im not sure whats the best way to boost. However, i have been using vuhdo addon with vfx. There is no delay at all in healing/cleansing. Vuhdo does have a moderate learning curve, but its a very powerful and customizable tool. Just watch a youtube video on how to setup. I use it to keep track of my various buffs as well. It also tracks which character holds aggro.

[Mercbeast]

Im not sure whats the best way to boost. However, i have been using vuhdo addon with vfx. There is no delay at all in healing/cleansing. Vuhdo does have a moderate learning curve, but its a very powerful and customizable tool. Just watch a youtube video on how to setup. I use it to keep track of my various buffs as well. It also tracks which character holds aggro.

Boosting is simply clearing an instance with a high level. The high levels typically need to be able to blow through a large number of mobs really quickly. Think aoe classes. With a level 60 mage, it should be possible to level a fresh group into their 30's in less than a day played. Boosting will lose its effectiveness to some extent in the late 40's I'd imagine, because you will run into a situation where, a level 60 can't just face roll clear instances, but is still imparting a big XP penalty. Then it will pickup again when the mobs are 51 in BRD or wherever you grind to 60.

[omegared]

What I learned thus far:

1. A lot of people have been reporting me for ‘botting’ which is annoying. I hope Blizz dont auto ban me as im only multiboxing and its legal.


Yeah i get a lot of grief as well...as if, all of a sudden, nobody has ever seen a multiboxer before.
Sometimes you get a compliment, or questions about it being legal or not.
Ran into a multiboxer yesterday, which was cool.

Anyway, running 5 fire mages on Mirage Raceway as the team i originally planned on playing, warrior priest and 3 fire mages, are on Shazzrah which always has queues several hours long.
Am level 16 now and just starting in Redridge.
Collection quests are a pain in the butt, the rest is just as tedious as i remember from Vanilla.

[Vipeax]

So, my MMMMP setup is now level 56 and I can do LBRS just fine. Tanks are super overrated in Classic.

[Andreauk]

So, my MMMMP setup is now level 56 and I can do LBRS just fine. Tanks are super overrated in Classic.



Glad to hear this - I hated Warrior tanking. I am trying a Druid atm though

What specs?

[Andreauk]

Yeah i get a lot of grief as well...as if, all of a sudden, nobody has ever seen a multiboxer before.
Sometimes you get a compliment, or questions about it being legal or not.
Ran into a multiboxer yesterday, which was cool.

It's been 50/50 for me.. most the time people on Alliance chat and ask me stuff.. the real hate is towards my Horde team.. get a lot of reports and /spit haha

I am on NethergardeKeep realm.

[Vipeax]

Glad to hear this - I hated Warrior tanking. I am trying a Druid atm though

What specs?
Arcane and holy.

[Acidburning]

So, my MMMMP setup is now level 56 and I can do LBRS just fine. Tanks are super overrated in Classic.

I thought you were running warlocks? Didn't you link a twitch video from SM?

I am considering changing my team now. I am at level 24 and Druid, Priest, Mage, Lock, Shaman is feeling slow.

[Vipeax]

I thought you were running warlocks? Didn't you link a twitch video from SM?

I am considering changing my team now. I am at level 24 and Druid, Priest, Mage, Lock, Shaman is feeling slow.
That is Brain his setup. We level at similar speeds so we keep in touch in what works to help the other.

[Andreauk]

Arcane and holy.


Would love to see a vid :)

[Drakhoun]

So, my MMMMP setup is now level 56 and I can do LBRS just fine. Tanks are super overrated in Classic.

May i ask how you did it? Did you AE all the way? Did you use any CC? How did you handle the hard hitting bosses?
After reading this i feel like making a new team. Haha

[Vipeax]

May i ask how you did it? Did you AE all the way? Did you use any CC? How did you handle the hard hitting bosses?
After reading this i feel like making a new team. Haha
I use AE, Holy Nova and Flash Heals. The healing should not be underestimated at this level. A lucky AOE crit means 1 mage gets spiked instantly by 8 elites. I have a lot of healing experience to make up for that part. The reason why I want to share this is because I have been saying for a long time that I will manage without a tank, but people kept saying you will wipe in RFC, then it became SFK, then it became SM, then it came ZF and so on. Yet I am still going strong and hitting 60 this weekend.

Oh and I do not play on a day 1 server. I am filling the top 20-24 highest level spots for my faction on my realm. That puts me high on the top-level tracking addon list so I get a lot of attention from people who use that addon.

[Drakhoun]

I use AE, Holy Nova and Flash Heals. The healing should not be underestimated at this level. A lucky AOE crit means 1 mage gets spiked instantly by 8 elites. I have a lot of healing experience to make up for that part. The reason why I want to share this is because I have been saying for a long time that I will manage without a tank, but people kept saying you will wipe in RFC, then it became SFK, then it became SM, then it came ZF and so on. Yet I am still going strong and hitting 60 this weekend.

Oh and I do not play on a day 1 server. I am filling the top 20-24 highest level spots for my faction on my realm. That puts me high on the top-level tracking addon list so I get a lot of attention from people who use that addon.

This is awesome man! Thanks for sharing your experience! I might give this build a go :)

[nodoze]

I use AE, Holy Nova and Flash Heals. The healing should not be underestimated at this level. A lucky AOE crit means 1 mage gets spiked instantly by 8 elites. I have a lot of healing experience to make up for that part. The reason why I want to share this is because I have been saying for a long time that I will manage without a tank, but people kept saying you will wipe in RFC, then it became SFK, then it became SM, then it came ZF and so on. Yet I am still going strong and hitting 60 this weekend.

Oh and I do not play on a day 1 server. I am filling the top 20-24 highest level spots for my faction on my realm. That puts me high on the top-level tracking addon list so I get a lot of attention from people who use that addon.Grats to you and Brain on your great progress.

Please report back when you reach cap whether you have similar success on AoEing and finishing the hardest dungeons.

My thought with Mages was that you could maybe iceblock if/as needed if you needed to while healing.

I wish you best of luck and look foward to hearing about cap.

[Slowplay]

Anyone have a good talent spec for 5 mages? Is arcane or frost the best for aoe killing in open world?

[Battleshrimp]

Greetings all and thanks for all the interesting reads!

I need some input in viable comps if possible. So far, I've been bouncing back and forth between 4 warriors/shaman and paladin/priest/3x mages. They are all around lvl 20 give or take a level. As been pointed out previously, the melee heavy comp is pretty dire to run at lower levels and I get bloody frustrated at times when 3 warriors are running off to pull two extra packs.

I have considered going the same route as some others in this forum, namely 4x caster dps and 1x healer. I'm leaning towards 4x locks/ 1x priest, but would like to have a mage at max level rather quickly . Would it be to much of a negative to substitute one of the warlocks for a mage instead --> 3 locks/mage/priest? I can see the utility upsides, but apart from that I'm not sure.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

[Kojiiko]

I use AE, Holy Nova and Flash Heals. The healing should not be underestimated at this level. A lucky AOE crit means 1 mage gets spiked instantly by 8 elites. I have a lot of healing experience to make up for that part. The reason why I want to share this is because I have been saying for a long time that I will manage without a tank, but people kept saying you will wipe in RFC, then it became SFK, then it became SM, then it came ZF and so on. Yet I am still going strong and hitting 60 this weekend.

Oh and I do not play on a day 1 server. I am filling the top 20-24 highest level spots for my faction on my realm. That puts me high on the top-level tracking addon list so I get a lot of attention from people who use that addon.

I just love this!!

Flamestrike down first and then just aoe with AE and nova,
Could u share more info on what talents your mages are and holy priest is? I think many ppl will get motivated to this do this instead of warrior, 3 mage healer combo!!!

[Kojiiko]

My team go to 23 only to be disconnected twice in a WC run on the 3rd try I go disconnected on the last boss again and when I logged back in there were long ques Grrr Today isnt a good day I just log off and I doubt I will play again today.

[nodoze]

My team go to 23 only to be disconnected twice in a WC run on the 3rd try I go disconnected on the last boss again and when I logged back in there were long ques Grrr Today isnt a good day I just log off and I doubt I will play again today.I was doing well this morning but have been getting DCed alot so I am pretty frustated and done for now.

From what I read on the Forums some Russians are DDOSing the servers.

[Apatheist]

2. Alliance- paladin, priest, x3 frost mages
I went to DM at level 20. At 21 I can easily AOE 3-4 mobs and clear the dungeon. Team is at level 22 now.

Did you go straight for consecration on the paladin? With consecration and retribution aura you should be able to pull a LOT mroe than 3-4 mobs at 22. You should be able to pull entire rooms.

People that keep swapping groups because they're disappointed with a particular composition need to understand that the hardest part of boxing classic is getting started. Attempting to run Deadmines at 15 with level 6 grey items of course you're going to have a hard time.

[Kruschpakx4]

sorry for brief derail: anyone noticed healing stream totem doesnt stack? was it really like that on retail?

[Drakhoun]

Did you go straight for consecration on the paladin? With consecration and retribution aura you should be able to pull a LOT mroe than 3-4 mobs at 22. You should be able to pull entire rooms.

People that keep swapping groups because they're disappointed with a particular composition need to understand that the hardest part of boxing classic is getting started. Attempting to run Deadmines at 15 with level 6 grey items of course you're going to have a hard time.

Yea, i went straight for consecration and use retribution aura. Currently at level 24 i can take on about 5-7 elite mobs at DM and AE them done. Anything more, there is a chance the paly may die. But its never a wipe. Perhaps im a bit cautious. For non elite mobs i can pull double the number :)

[Mercbeast]

sorry for brief derail: anyone noticed healing stream totem doesnt stack? was it really like that on retail?

I think so, I did my first 5 box shamans during BC, and I think in BC they changed it so they did stack.

[Sixrizz]

Did you go straight for consecration on the paladin? With consecration and retribution aura you should be able to pull a LOT mroe than 3-4 mobs at 22. You should be able to pull entire rooms.

People that keep swapping groups because they're disappointed with a particular composition need to understand that the hardest part of boxing classic is getting started. Attempting to run Deadmines at 15 with level 6 grey items of course you're going to have a hard time.

Hey I'm glad I you posted this. I recently bought ISBoxer and 5 wow accounts and multi-boxxing for the first time. I am running War(prot), Paladin(Holy), Mage (frost), Hunter(BM), and Lock(affliction).

I'm really happy with the warrior, mage and warlock.

The paladin is my biggest regret, I really really wish I had done priest considering I'd like to be in dungeons 99% of the time and I'm not sure holy light and flash heal are enough with no aoe and no backup heals. The hunter is just a pain in the ass but I can deal with that I just want a hunter at 60.

What do yall think of this comp? I'm level 13 right now and working towards deadmines, whens a good level to give it a shot? I'm not going to change any out because I also have every profession spread out between the 5 and they are all around level 100(except enchanting). any tips? I've spent around 70% of my time learning ISBoxer with no video guides and mainly trial and error (spent 12 hours last night finally getting Pro setup and dps rotations, click bars are next). Sorry for punctuation/formatting. I'm writing this at work because I'm now addicted to not only classic (again lol) but also ISBoxer. I spent 3 hours problem solving 1 bug last night but when I finally got everything to click it was worth it!!

[Void]

So as noted before i am running shaman+4 warriors and here is my experience so far:

I feel this team is very fast leveling and my instance running has been a net positive thus far (lvl 21 currently)

I started Instances at lvl 12 with RFC and stayed until 16. I only cleared a portion of the instance at first but once i hit 14 i was clearing most of it. At 16 i went to WC and same ordeal only cleared the lower level portion until 17-18. I always kept my warriors in full "of the bear" gear and shaman in "of the eagle" fairly cheap to snag on the AH.

I mainly pull with the shaman back to the warriors so not to pull extra packs of mobs. Now at 21 i can take on 4-6 mobs(in WC) before the shamans mana bar is depleted.

I did the quest for https://classic.wowhead.com/item=6505/crescent-staff as soon as i could and has made a big difference in clear speed.

I am currently at 1d 14 hrs played on this team. Not sure how fast that is but doesn't feel entirely horrid to me. I cant wait until windfury totem.

Oh and healing is fine with the shaman just laying out healing waves. I just got lesser healing wave at 20 for when i do accidentally over pull. So far hardest mob is last boss of WC he takes half my HP bar in 1 hit but still able to down him with minimal casualties.

Maybe i can throw together a short video if needed.

[Mmrwowboxer]

Hey I'm glad I you posted this. I recently bought ISBoxer and 5 wow accounts and multi-boxxing for the first time. I am running War(prot), Paladin(Holy), Mage (frost), Hunter(BM), and Lock(affliction).

I'm really happy with the warrior, mage and warlock.

The paladin is my biggest regret, I really really wish I had done priest considering I'd like to be in dungeons 99% of the time and I'm not sure holy light and flash heal are enough with no aoe and no backup heals. The hunter is just a pain in the ass but I can deal with that I just want a hunter at 60.

What do yall think of this comp? I'm level 13 right now and working towards deadlines, whens a good level to give it a shot? I'm not going to change any out because I also have every profession spread out between the 5 and they are all around level 100(except enchanting). any tips? I've spent around 70% of my time learning ISBoxer with no video guides and mainly trial and error (spent 12 hours last night finally getting Pro setup and dps rotations, click bars are next). Sorry for punctuation/formatting. I'm writing this at work because I'm now addicted to not only classic (again lol) but also ISBoxer. I spent 3 hours problem solving 1 bug last night but when I finally got everything to click it was worth it!!

I would say run up to the first boss in DM, pulling one mob at a time, and then resetting the instance BEFORE you try the first Ogre boss. Equip your new greens before every run, and when things start dying really fast and ur confident enough then go ahead and pull the first boss and try to progress through the instance. Once you get some greens with stats on them on all your characters you get much stronger. Such a big difference. I used this method when my team was level 17. You probably can start earlier because I was in all whites so a few levels levels wouldn't be too much of a difference. Even out in the world I would have trouble pulling 2 or 3 mobs my level with whites on, but now that I'm geared I can run im to full camps of 5 and clear them without healing.

So what I'm saying is gear matters much more than level it seems.

[Sixrizz]

I would say run up to the first boss in DM, pulling one mob at a time, and then resetting the instance BEFORE you try the first Ogre boss. Equip your new greens before every run, and when things start dying really fast and ur confident enough then go ahead and pull the first boss and try to progress through the instance. Once you get some greens with stats on them on all your characters you get much stronger. Such a big difference. I used this method when my team was level 17. You probably can start earlier because I was in all whites so a few levels levels wouldn't be too much of a difference. Even out in the world I would have trouble pulling 2 or 3 mobs my level with whites on, but now that I'm geared I can run im to full camps of 5 and clear them without healing.

So what I'm saying is gear matters much more than level it seems.


Awesome that's a great tip! I've been able to handle 4 targets decently. But panic if I need to CC so I'm working on keybindings to make it more comfortable. I might go farm the pre-instance part of deadmines to see how I handle the smaller area. Casters absolutely shred me right now. If there's only one I charge ->bs->def stance->rage->shield bash before the first cast and then they die but if I get caught off guard I have to mash my holy light keybind and pop hs/pots. I think 3 fireballs with no healing would kill my warrior.

As far as gear goes I've made what crafted greens I can, and equip BoE ones if they are good for one of my toons. If they aren't good I DE them which I think isn't good at low levels but I need the skill-ups and I'm staying afloat on silver for now. I think 3-5 greens per toon right now. Good wep shitty shield on warrior so I'm hoping for that one off the miner rare. paladin just stands back so I don't have to worry about AoE but he's literally a heal/utility bot I'm not sure if I should just get him a good wep and rest int gear and have him auto spam. Still sad he's not a priest or druid but I didn't wanna run a druid to dun morough lol and I wanted blessings. I'll just have to do a priest in my next team :)

[Apatheist]

Hey I'm glad I you posted this. I recently bought ISBoxer and 5 wow accounts and multi-boxxing for the first time. I am running War(prot), Paladin(Holy), Mage (frost), Hunter(BM), and Lock(affliction).

The problem is hunters don't synchronize particularly well with mages or warlocks. The deadzone means you'll have to manage your hunter separately when you're AE spamming arcane explosion and hellfire and hunters don't have very good AE damage. You can make it work if you really want a hunter but it's less efficient than a second mage or warlock.

I wouldn't worry about choosing paladin over priest. You have to remember that 90% of your time in classic you use single target heals. AE Heals like prayer of healing cost a lot of mana. Even on a priest, it's almost always more mana efficient to cast 2-3 heals (the spell "Heal") or greater heal on the tank rather using prayer of healing. Especially in dungeons where there aren't really any big AE spells that are going to hit your entire party. Once your paladin gets some +healing gear and a decent amount of MP5/crit/int you can literally spam downranked flash of light non stop without running OOM. Paladins are the most efficient healers in the game by a large margin.

As for getting started in Deadmines, I'd advise looking on wowhead for quests that award green mail items with stamina for your tank or intelligence cloth for your casters. Spend a bit of time grinding humanoids in the fast spawn locations people have mentioned and level up tailoring to craft yourself some low level greens https://classic.wowhead.com/uncommon-cloth-armor?filter=86;11;0#items:0+2+18

Having an extra 10 int and spirit doesn't sound like a lot if you're coming from retail but it will increase your mana pool significantly for your healer and casters and the armor/stamina on some of the low level quest mail will make your warrior a lot more sturdy. I wouldn't step in to deadmines until I at least had 3-4 greens at level 18 or 20. Once you're ready though, it's smooth sailing from there. You just farm out the dungeon until you have all the drops you want and the mobs are grey, then move to the next dungeon and repeat.

Like I said, the hardest part is getting started. The first 20 levels preparing for DM were slower than grinding 20-30 inside dungeons for me.

[Mmrwowboxer]

As someone who was asking if multiboxing is worth it a week ago, I've done a complete 180 on my feelings about it. Once you get used to your team and setup it clicks, and things get totally smooth. You will never want to go back. It's almost too much power for one person to have, lol.

My only experience is with my 3 mages on dps, and once I got geared in all greens I can run in, arcane explosion, and things die in 2 or 3 gcd's. Doesn't matter if it's 2 mobs or 7.

Those same kill and loot quests that were so tedious at early levels are much easier when you can kill a whole camp in 3 seconds. I even beat 2 ?? level Horde gankers in Westfall, a priest and rogue.

[detroit]

Level 26 currently with: Shaman, Warrior, Mage, Warlock, Rogue

It isn't the most amazing/efficient group in the world but I melt just about anything I encounter.

Just waiting on Windfury for the melee and not getting bored outta my mind of clear dungeons.

[Vipeax]

https://i.imgur.com/6SbIQrL.png

I finished my grind.

[detroit]

https://i.imgur.com/6SbIQrL.png

I finished my grind.

Congrats man!

[smk]

https://i.imgur.com/6SbIQrL.png

I finished my grind.

Grats!!!!!!

[nodoze]

... I finished my grind.WOW! Amazing and GratZ!

[smk]

https://i.imgur.com/6SbIQrL.png

I finished my grind.

I am curious how you handled bosses with your comp?

[Fuzzyboy]

https://i.imgur.com/6SbIQrL.png

I finished my grind.

Very nice - congratulations! Let us know how you fare with the end-game instances for the pre-raid BiS farm :-)

[Apatheist]

I finished my grind.

Grats!

Also curious how you've found dungeons so far. Have you attempted any of the end-game dungeons like Scholo or LBRS yet?

[Vipeax]

I have been farming LBRS all the time 56-60.

[Andreauk]

Arcane and holy.

I read that people like to use a Locks eye to pull then aoe with 4 mages using Blizzard in pugs.. no healer needed.. does Blizzard do more dps that Arcane expolsion?

Hmmn I wonder if it's more mana efficient?

https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=10187/blizzard

https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=10202/arcane-explosion

[Vipeax]

The idea is that stuff dies before Blizzard is relevant and kiting with Blizzard is easy when you play 4 mages separate.

[Apatheist]

I read that people like to use a Locks eye to pull then aoe with 4 mages using Blizzard in pugs.. no healer needed.. does Blizzard do more dps that Arcane expolsion?

Hmmn I wonder if it's more mana efficient?

Arcane explosion does more DPS but blizzard provides an AE snare when talented. People use blizzard to snare the mobs so they can avoid being hit.


I have been farming LBRS all the time 56-60.

Including the bosses? That's pretty impressive. I would have thought there'd be some bosses in the 55+ dungeons that would be pretty rough without a tank.

[Andreauk]

Ah ok thanks :)

How would it be with 5 Arcane mages then?

[Vipeax]

Arcane explosion does more DPS but blizzard provides an AE snare when talented. People use blizzard to snare the mobs so they can avoid being hit.



Including the bosses? That's pretty impressive. I would have thought there'd be some bosses in the 55+ dungeons that would be pretty rough without a tank.
Timmy in Scholomance hits hard when he enrages. That is not doable with 5 clothies.

[nodoze]

Timmy in Scholomance hits hard when he enrages. That is not doable with 5 clothies.If you had done Warlock+3M+P instead of 4M+P do you think a Warlock Pet (with a dedicated Healer) could Tank Timmy while you DPS from the Mages & Warlock?

[Apatheist]

If you had done Warlock+3M+P instead of 4M+P do you think a Warlock Pet (with a dedicated Healer) could Tank Timmy while you DPS from the Mages & Warlock?

Voidwalkers have about the same armor value as a plate wearer plus 10% physical mitigation if talented. Should be plenty of EH to tank any 5man boss and some raids.

The problem is threat. I've read a lot of complaints on the forum that you can pull off the voidwalker with dots/wand alone. I'm not sure about the people posting those comments though. Half of them probably don't have 3/3 improved voidwalker trained and the other half probably don't know you have to buy upgrades to pet skills.

Needs proper testing.

[Mercbeast]

Arcane Explosion is a relatively unique spell in WoW. It's about as close to zero sum as you get. If Arcane explosion is enough to kill, it's worth it, if it's not, it's basically useless. By this I mean, if you stack enough mages to where you can frag a mob out, you can frag out any number of similar HP level mobs at once, and you can do it quickly. Which means, that often times arcane explosion is situational at best for a lone or even duo of mages, but get 3, 4, or as the people who were raiding instances before the nerf, 5-8 mages, and suddenly you are able to kill 20-30 or even entire instances in a single pull. It's not terribly mana efficient, and this is why it's usually not the most effective way to spend mana for a lone mage. However, if you got enough to kill with it, then you can kill everything with it, at once.

Other AOE's, tend to be slower and more efficient, or simply not viable like Holy Nova. Physical aoe is also typically hit capped, to just a few mobs. Which is why stacking mages is basically broken as a leveling mechanic. They are playing by different rules than everyone else :)

[Mercbeast]

For melee cleave teams, I recommend you get the following item on your ravagers. https://classicdb.ch/?item=5421

I also recommend you get ravagers, as they will serve you all the way to 60 depending on the pull.

[Apatheist]

For melee cleave teams, I recommend you get the following item on your ravagers. https://classicdb.ch/?item=5421

I also recommend you get ravagers, as they will serve you all the way to 60 depending on the pull.

Getting ravager with the fiery blaze quest enchant as I saw you mention in another thread is actually a really good idea. I hadn't considered that before. Ravager is a pretty unique weapon and the enchant fits perfectly for what you'd use it for.

[Revv]

Getting ravager with the fiery blaze quest enchant as I saw you mention in another thread is actually a really good idea. I hadn't considered that before. Ravager is a pretty unique weapon and the enchant fits perfectly for what you'd use it for.

I believe this is only for alliance

[Kruschpakx4]

Is there some horde equivalent for the fiery blaze? Other than that, pressing abilities (if they go off) will cancel the ravager bladestorm, how are you going to incorporate that in dps macros?

Got the weapon on my shaman so to clear up a few things, the bs has no internal cd, can procc of itself and does more damage from shamans rockbiter ap buff. Doesnt procc any shaman weapon imbues and also no auto hits while its up and you're stuck in place. Amazing weapon for melee cleave grind :).

[silverback]

5 Boomkin at level 22. Went into Deadmines. Had to proceed slowly. Only made it through the first two bosses wipe in between them and then once in the smelter room before I head out. Had to go really slowly and snipe my way along.

That said, outside of the dungeon, I can solo PVP players up to 7 levels higher.

[Mercbeast]

Is there some horde equivalent for the fiery blaze? Other than that, pressing abilities (if they go off) will cancel the ravager bladestorm, how are you going to incorporate that in dps macros?

Got the weapon on my shaman so to clear up a few things, the bs has no internal cd, can procc of itself and does more damage from shamans rockbiter ap buff. Doesnt procc any shaman weapon imbues and also no auto hits while its up and you're stuck in place. Amazing weapon for melee cleave grind :).

I make a macro for all the abilities I don't want to interrupt BS. So I'll make a macro that is like /cast [nochanneling] heroic strike. This lets you continue spamming your DPS without interrupting BS procs. Then just make a macro to cancel channels, if you need to reposition while one or more characters are spinning to win.

[rleur]

https://i.imgur.com/6SbIQrL.png

I finished my grind.

Congrats Vipeax. Can you send what mage/priest builds that worked well for you and your technique? I have been running the same comp and am getting beaten down by bosses when I get to them. They just tear through my bubbles and shields and even if susceptible to frost nova seem to break free and kill half or more of my team. It’s slow going at present.

[Battleshrimp]

Currently trying out 3xhunters/priest/mage. The mage is thrown in mostly because I want to main one at 60 with the added comfort of water and portals. The thought is to use the huntard pets as tanks, but I'm not sure they are sturdy enough to run dungeons all the way up to 60. I saw in a previous thread that they should be a bit tankier than voidwalkers, which sound promising.
I'm hoping that this will work as I am not to keen on including a proper tank class.

[EaTCarbS]

Currently trying out 3xhunters/priest/mage. The mage is thrown in mostly because I want to main one at 60 with the added comfort of water and portals. The thought is to use the huntard pets as tanks, but I'm not sure they are sturdy enough to run dungeons all the way up to 60. I saw in a previous thread that they should be a bit tankier than voidwalkers, which sound promising.
I'm hoping that this will work as I am not to keen on including a proper tank class.

Are you using the tank pets?

[Battleshrimp]

Are you using the tank pets?

The thought is to do that if needed. They are all sub-20 atm. :)

[Seekah]

Lvl 38 with exactly 6 days played. 1 Warrior, 3 Mages, 1 Priest - did not AoE grind anything. Am in SM since lvl 31. All traidskills around 175-200ish.

[Quiding]

8days 23hours 1-60, took longer than expected, pretty much only dungeon grind and abit of questing for pre-qs 58-60.
Prot warr, holy priest, ele shaman, arcane/frost mage, ruin/sacrifice lock
I like the setup now for the dungeons at 60 but the levelling itself was abit gimped because of the shaman having no real aoe, it did 1/4 of what the warlock and mage pulled, also ran warrior as arms 1-50ish which was a big mistake since I couldn't gather more than 1-2 grps at a time for the aoe.
Done a few UBRS runs with randoms on the server and only had 2 wipes, one of which was my fault not dismissing totems before rend :eek:
All in all I like the setup, but for MC I will be going fury warrior instead of also tanking.

[Bobizam]

I'm level 42. I have been questing, mixing in dungeons. Alliance on a PvP server that is has one of the higher horde dominated ratios, so STV has been filled with craziness. Enjoying it really. I am specifically not initiating PvP but if someone messes with me I just add them to my list and take note for next time. If a group get the jump on me its basically over, but if I do initiate I have a decent shot. 90% of horde leave me completely alone. 1% get quite obsessive about chasing me.

Biggest annoyance so far - last night running Armory, was about the 6-7th time - Scarlet legs drop and I pop back up top to AoE the small guys coming in - then I just walk out and reset without looting them! Ran Arms/Cath a bunch more times and they never dropped but I have everything else so will probably just move on.

I'm multi-boxing as a challenge, but I also want to be able to help my friends @ 60 so I have played 5 different classes that can sub into their groups at any time. It has meant I'm not really set up for AoEing dungeons, so I am a bit slow. Its not far off an AoE comp though by chance - Warrior / Mage / Lock / Priest / Paladin. Tanking with warrior as arms, healing with pally as holy. Mage/Lock/Priest mostly single target spam. Priest goes oom a lot and I don't think holy nova would cut it for AoE contribution.

Gold was an issue, I could afford 4/5 mounts @ 40 - but couldn't get 5th until 41.

[Mmrwowboxer]

Level 30 on my Pally, Priest, 3x Mage team. I gathered all the quests for Stockades before I went in at 24, and spent the last few days running around finishing up all the quest lines. That really slowed me down, but my OCD can't let me continue with any kind of grinding until my quest logs are clean. Next time I log on I have to finish the quests in Duskwood, finish the Test of Rightousness Paladin quest, and then I can finally farm Stockades to milk the last few levels out of it.

[Battleshrimp]

Are there any indications yet at higher level regarding the optimal 4 casters/1 healer setups. Are there any major differences in clearing ability with a lock team compared to mages?

[kate]

I haven't been able to play as much as I've wanted, but so far I've leveled 3 teams a little bit.

5x shaman: meh. Level 12 or so and just beginning to be able to take things up to the first boss of RFC, but I'm just not feeling it.
5x paladin: a little better, leveled to 16 but they're still squishy enough that I need to heal a bunch and they run oom all the dang time.
5x hunter: saweeeeeet! Before pets they were just wrecking stuff before it could get to me, and with pets just forget about it. Level 11 now and the Defias Pillagers in Westfall have been dying usually before they can get off a pyroblast.

[Quiding]

Are there any indications yet at higher level regarding the optimal 4 casters/1 healer setups. Are there any major differences in clearing ability with a lock team compared to mages?
It's hard to say, noone has 2 teams with both setups at 60 to compare it for them self, lock vs mage in my mixed team I can say they do close to equal damage on single target, on AoE my lock is abit ahead but needs way more healing since there is no threat reduction.
Interrupting mobs are also a thing, so mages arcane explosion is better in that case.
Im running arcane/frost so the mage never runs out of mana single target before the fight is over, the warlock needs to life tap in the rotation but it seems to equal out dmg wise.

[Battleshrimp]

It's hard to say, noone has 2 teams with both setups at 60 to compare it for them self, lock vs mage in my mixed team I can say they do close to equal damage on single target, on AoE my lock is abit ahead but needs way more healing since there is no threat reduction.
Interrupting mobs are also a thing, so mages arcane explosion is better in that case.
Im running arcane/frost so the mage never runs out of mana single target before the fight is over, the warlock needs to life tap in the rotation but it seems to equal out dmg wise.

Thank you for your insights. I'd guess a warlock setup is a fair bit more tanky considering the voids, especially in boss encounters. I still can't decide and fully commit to a 4 mage versus 4 warlock setup. Both are tempting, so I keep jumping back and forth. Rather annoying :).

[nodoze]

Thank you for your insights. I'd guess a warlock setup is a fair bit more tanky considering the voids, especially in boss encounters. I still can't decide and fully commit to a 4 mage versus 4 warlock setup. Both are tempting, so I keep jumping back and forth. Rather annoying :).My 2nd team is currently 4WarLocks+Priest though I am thinking of swapping a warlock for a Mage for water and ports.

[pinotnoir]

I hit a wall lvl 32 Alliance team. Everywhere I go in contested I get camped by skulls. Right now I am living in SM trying to instance grind but it's boring as hell.

[Barazanthul]

I hit a wall lvl 32 Alliance team. Everywhere I go in contested I get camped by skulls. Right now I am living in SM trying to instance grind but it's boring as hell.

That is the same with my single char. Everything is so overcrowded. I basically come home at 12:30 and play till 15:00. And the log off, because it is not worth the time.

[southeastbeast]

Warrior/Priest/3xMage level 24. I've fully cleared DM/VC like 8+ times. Just doing Stockades now and only clearing trash (fear boss is tricky).

Actually thinking about trying the 5x Paladin team though.

[Peregrine]

So far, lv 42 on my 4x lock 1x priest. Doing mostly dungeons, but also some side quests. Locks seems fun, tho pushback is nasty! If you were alliance, the dungeons would go so much smoother due to no push back which makes 4x lock 1x hp so good for pve farming.

Overall, I expect to hit 50 this week: )

[goldstar99]

Brand new to boxing (classic has been my first time boxing)

Got 60 on all a week ago - Prot Paly, 3 Arcane mages, Disc Priest (pom AP flamestrike @player and PI holy nova just melts players/trash it is crazyyy)

Paladin pulls a few packs with priest bubble -- consecrates -- wait 2 ticks and arcane explosion down -- this works amazingly well.

Having a ton of fun -- have been able to clear every dungeon ive tried without much issue (BRD, STRAT Live/UD , LBRS -- still need to get the key and try scholo).

Paladin does have some mana/single target threat issues but nothing that cant be mitigated. Definitely recommend this comp to any alliance players/new boxers.

[jhonalx]

Playing on Fairbanks - Horde, 3x mage @ lvl 50 atm. I'm mostly questing as I despise dungeon grinding and my play times allow me to do quests on almost empty zones. That said, if I need to run a dungeon for a quest, I get 2 randoms and power through the instances or just run them by myself.

I'm at 12 days /played but I've all my professions at 300 or almost there and been playing the AH a little bit as well

[Barazanthul]

Just started today with warrior/priest/2 mage/ WL. Got to level 5 and had to go offline then. I currently plan to enter human starting area. I already finished the gnomish one.

[Mokoi]

Anyone tried a 4 melee + pally / shaman comp? Curious how 4 war / shaman would work out. PvE and PvP

[Purrowl]

So far, lv 42 on my 4x lock 1x priest. Doing mostly dungeons, but also some side quests. Locks seems fun, tho pushback is nasty! If you were alliance, the dungeons would go so much smoother due to no push back which makes 4x lock 1x hp so good for pve farming.

Overall, I expect to hit 50 this week: )

What do you mean alliance don't get pushback?

[Peregrine]

Intensity plus Aura. 100% pushback protection!

[Kraxx]

So far, lv 42 on my 4x lock 1x priest. Doing mostly dungeons, but also some side quests. Locks seems fun, tho pushback is nasty! If you were alliance, the dungeons would go so much smoother due to no push back which makes 4x lock 1x hp so good for pve farming.

Overall, I expect to hit 50 this week: )

But without a priest (shield) you cannot do the "eye of kilrogg - pull" efficiently ?!

[Mercbeast]

Anyone tried a 4 melee + pally / shaman comp? Curious how 4 war / shaman would work out. PvE and PvP

So, I'm running 4x warriors + priest, not exactly the same but close. I'm 56. It's a pretty slow composition in comparison to mage/warlock groups. If your endgame goal includes a lot of world PvP, I'd probably look towards running TWO healers and 3 warriors. It's a very easy group to shut down and pick apart. I can't tell you the number of times a single mage my level has initiated on me and killed my entire group, or the majority of it with just frost nova, arcane explosion, and a single counter spell.

Paladins present some things that a priest doesn't, but blessing of freedom x2 would be a game changer, and the ability to cross heal with 2 healers in open world PvP would be pretty useful considering how easily you can get dunked in classic. For leveling you could run of the paladins as the tank.

One thing I'd recommend for all warrior teams out there that are dungeon grinding. Do not typically run a tank, or a warrior in defensive stance. Keep all your warriors either as arms or fury spec, and if a specific boss requires it, put one in defensive stance with a shield. Now, when you enter a new dungeon, and if things are difficult for your 2h or DW warriors, equip them all with 1h weapons and shields for a level or two, and keep them in berserker stance.

A warrior in defensive stance will gobble up threat, and gobble up rage. When all your warriors are in berserker stance and you're cleaving, one warrior will get ahead on rage generation, this will in turn turn all mobs onto that warrior due to the damage that warrior is putting out. This will snowball that single warrior into crazy DPS mode for a warrior.

Running ZF graveyard pulls, it was not uncommon for one warrior to end up doing 300-350 DPS on a 6 pull, and then the other 3 warriors to do 80-120 DPS each, sometimes some might spike up into the 200's. The end result of 4 warriors in zerker stance is one warrior monopolizes rage. If that warrior is in defensive stance, they can't really turn that incoming damage into outgoing damage.

You can finesse this as much as you want, with talents do you want to start one warrior off in defensive, then swap to berserker for WW spam? Ultimately, your party DPS is probably at minimum 2x higher by not having a tank monopolizing rage, because if the guy monopolizing rage is in berserker stance, it can do as much damage as the rest of the group combined.

[nodoze]

So, I'm running 4x warriors + priest, not exactly the same but close. ... If your endgame goal includes a lot of world PvP, I'd probably look towards running TWO healers and 3 warriors. It's a very easy group to shut down and pick apart. I can't tell you the number of times a single mage my level has initiated on me and killed my entire group, or the majority of it with just frost nova, arcane explosion, and a single counter spell.

... Keep all your warriors either as arms or fury spec, and if a specific boss requires it, put one in defensive stance with a shield. Now, when you enter a new dungeon, and if things are difficult for your 2h or DW warriors, equip them all with 1h weapons and shields for a level or two, and keep them in berserker stance.

A warrior in defensive stance will gobble up threat, and gobble up rage. When all your warriors are in berserker stance and you're cleaving, one warrior will get ahead on rage generation, this will in turn turn all mobs onto that warrior due to the damage that warrior is putting out. This will snowball that single warrior into crazy DPS mode for a warrior.
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You can finesse this as much as you want, with talents do you want to start one warrior off in defensive, then swap to berserker for WW spam? Ultimately, your party DPS is probably at minimum 2x higher by not having a tank monopolizing rage, because if the guy monopolizing rage is in berserker stance, it can do as much damage as the rest of the group combined.I am running 3 Warriors+2 Paladins and echo the above (especially if you are on a PVP server).

Cleanses plus Blessing of Freedom really unlocks your Warriors in PVP.

Duo Paladins are unique for PVP healers in that they have the highest innate damage mitigation, the only class with 100% push-back resistance, the most de-buff clearing options (only single class that can clear 3 debuffs), and have 2 bubbles + lay on hands...

Your points regarding rage monopolization make a lot of sense and I think I may be not using my rage as efficiently as I should be. I have been running Arms heavy on my "lead warrior" so I can change stances without dumping all rage & Fury heavy on the other 2 who are auto-following (and just keeping them focused on DPS).

Up to 30 I have been charging in on all 3 (with the lead in first as the other 2 are auto-follow and thus have a slight delay) which usually results in my lead warrior getting initial 'sight' aggro from all mobs. I then try to focus the group on 1 mob at a time (that I judge with both 'Seal of Justice' and 'Seal of Light'). On mainly boss fights I try to keep the boss on my lead warrior (change to defensive stance to taunt if necessary) but let the adds' aggro ping-pong while we focus them down first. My slave warriors basically haven't been stance hopping hardly at all till 30 (mainly only change stances on them if/when my lead goes down which happens rarely).

At 30+ I am not sure how best to initiate as my slaves can't charge in Beserker stance. Are you charging on all 4 in BattleStance and then swapping to Beserker? Are you losing the 12 rage from Charge when you swap to Beserker or are you also popping Bloodlust for 22 (12+10) rage, spending that, and then switching? Or are your warriors running arms and thus don't lose rage?

I don't like that Fury Warriors lose rage when changing stances & I think ultimately my Fury warriors are not getting the bulk of the damage and thus often not leveraging their talents like Enrage & blood craze...

Once I got Beserker at 30 I have been thinking I should have just repeced all 3 to Arms mainly so I can stop worrying about switching stances (as I keep at least 25 rage when switching stances as Arms) and so all 3 can have Sweeping Strikes.

What specs do you recommend for your Warriors to level 40 and then to 60?

Do all 4 run the same specs?

[sethlan]

My 2nd team is currently 4WarLocks+Priest though I am thinking of swapping a warlock for a Mage for water and ports.

I thought about it too, but thing is with the priest, you can go disc and offheal a bit plus keep priest far back so if you die you can res, running back to your corpse takes a ton. what about 1 mage 1 priest 3 warlocks

[sethlan]

I'm only level 28, almost 29 on my 5x ele shamans, i zoom through the dungeons - only problem is, you run out of mana fast so you gotta bring extra water. I like a bit challenge - you can always res if one of them die, etc. Second team will be 1 priest 4 warlocks or just go pure DPS and go with 5x orc hunters.

[nodoze]

My 2nd team is currently 4WarLocks+Priest though I am thinking of swapping a warlock for a Mage for water and ports.
I thought about it too, but thing is with the priest, you can go disc and offheal a bit plus keep priest far back so if you die you can res, running back to your corpse takes a ton. what about 1 mage 1 priest 3 warlocksYeah I was thinking of changing my 2nd team from Priest+4Warlocks to Priest+3Warlocks+Mage mainly so I would have access to a Mage & Warlocks for both teams.

The other thing I may consider is that, if I find that I really like melee-cleave at cap for max dungeon grinding efficiency, I may instead want a 4th Warrior to convert from 3Warriors+2Paladins to 4Warriors+Paladin for dungeon grinding things I have on easy farm.

If a 4th Warrior for max Melee-Cleave ends up being my focus then my 2nd team may end up being a more traditional:

Warrior+2Warlocks+Mage+Priest.

That 4th Warrior would likely be the same account as my brother's Paladin which is the character he would be on when he is doing stuff solo... That would work out nicely so he could just leave that Paladin where-ever he wants as I would no longer use him for dungeon grinding.

[nodoze]

I hit a wall lvl 32 Alliance team. Everywhere I go in contested I get camped by skulls. Right now I am living in SM trying to instance grind but it's boring as hell.Very sorry to hear and I hope things have improved some.

Which server are you on?

How are things going now?

Are you at least able to get into SM consistently (even if boring)?

[Vise]

This is my first time playing WoW and using Isboxer. However I am a long time EQ boxer. Figured Since I never gave WoW a shot I would this time around.

My current setup is Warrior, Shaman 4x.

My warrior is Prot
3 of my shaman are Enhancement
and the last shaman is Resto

Currently level 51 and starting to grind arena for the savage set. I stream often and will give a link next time I start streaming.

[Mercbeast]

I am running 3 Warriors+2 Paladins and echo the above (especially if you are on a PVP server).

Cleanses plus Blessing of Freedom really unlocks your Warriors in PVP.

Duo Paladins are unique for PVP healers in that they have the highest innate damage mitigation, the only class with 100% push-back resistance, the most de-buff clearing options (only single class that can clear 3 debuffs), and have 2 bubbles + lay on hands...

Your points regarding rage monopolization make a lot of sense and I think I may be not using my rage as efficiently as I should be. I have been running Arms heavy on my "lead warrior" so I can change stances without dumping all rage & Fury heavy on the other 2 who are auto-following (and just keeping them focused on DPS).

Up to 30 I have been charging in on all 3 (with the lead in first as the other 2 are auto-follow and thus have a slight delay) which usually results in my lead warrior getting initial 'sight' aggro from all mobs. I then try to focus the group on 1 mob at a time (that I judge with both 'Seal of Justice' and 'Seal of Light'). On mainly boss fights I try to keep the boss on my lead warrior (change to defensive stance to taunt if necessary) but let the adds' aggro ping-pong while we focus them down first. My slave warriors basically haven't been stance hopping hardly at all till 30 (mainly only change stances on them if/when my lead goes down which happens rarely).

At 30+ I am not sure how best to initiate as my slaves can't charge in Beserker stance. Are you charging on all 4 in BattleStance and then swapping to Beserker? Are you losing the 12 rage from Charge when you swap to Beserker or are you also popping Bloodlust for 22 (12+10) rage, spending that, and then switching? Or are your warriors running arms and thus don't lose rage?

I don't like that Fury Warriors lose rage when changing stances & I think ultimately my Fury warriors are not getting the bulk of the damage and thus often not leveraging their talents like Enrage & blood craze...

Once I got Beserker at 30 I have been thinking I should have just repeced all 3 to Arms mainly so I can stop worrying about switching stances (as I keep at least 25 rage when switching stances as Arms) and so all 3 can have Sweeping Strikes.

What specs do you recommend for your Warriors to level 40 and then to 60?

Do all 4 run the same specs?

I honestly don't know what the best spec is. I feel like my biggest power jump in the entire game was when I first unlocked sweeping strikes with whirlwind (I later spec'd out of arms to 31 fury). Being able to charge in, in battle stance, pop sweeping strikes, and then swap to berserker stance and start whirlwinding, that was so much opening burst damage.

The spec I am currently running has me 31 fury, but I now also have tactical mastery and anger management, so dropping rage isn't a huge problem. All of my warriors have run the same spec more or less, the exception is that 2 of my warriors have dropped points into piercing howl and maxing out blood craze, I don't need all my warriors to have 5/5 improved battleshout.

Typically what I do is, I swap everyone into battlestance, charge, spend that rage immediately on battleshout/demoshout/thunder clap, and then swap to berserker and start spamming whirlwind and bloodthirst. If charge is down, I'll pop bloodrage and walk the warriors in, or pull to the warriors. If I outlevel the content and survival of a pull isn't really an issue, I add cleave into my rotation on a higher priority than bloodthirst. So my DPS spam button will be basically WW->cleave->bloodthirst. If survival is an issue, it means I need to spike things down quickly, and cleave is pulled from the rotation, and left on a separate hotkey as a rage bleed on aoe pulls.

I'll say this, with 4 warriors, charge into sweeping strikes into berserker to whirlwind, might just be the best build for a full team of warriors. I'm going to stay the course now with 31 fury. Fury has better sustain, it's true, but with 4 warriors sweeping strike ww spamming, you might not actually need much sustain.

In general, I only use battlestance to initiate when charge is up. I dump that rage into debuffs/buffs, and then swap to berserker. If I was to start all over again, I'd PROBABLY stay arms for the entire ride. So, to give you an idea, I started off full fury. When I hit 31? I swapped to arms to get sweeping strikes, and rode that to 36 when I got whirlwind, and then respec'd back to fury. The only thing I missed from fury, was piercing howl. It's just so damn convenient for kiting, re-positioning, running for your life, or catching that runner that your hamstring round robin didn't.
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Between the two specs, sweeping strikes is the analogous pick for death wish, but, they just are not equivalent, moreover, enrage tends to only benefit that one warrior that starts to monopolize rage. Whereas, charge->ss->zerker->ww is going to be on almost every pull, and it MELTS stuff.

When fighting a boss where I need a tank, I'll equip a shield and swap that one warrior to defensive stance, and let the other 3 stay in berserker, or delay charge them dump their rage and then swap to berserker. When content is difficult, I will equip a shield on one of the warriors, when I engage, I will pull to me usually, only auto attack with the 3 "off" warriors, and spam battleshout 4-5 times on the warrior with a shield, then open up with the other 3. This tends to secure most of the threat on the warrior with the shield, and since they are in berserker stance, they can still put out a decent chunk of damage while monopolizing all that incoming rage.

[Mokoi]

with one warrior using all the rage, wouldn't it make more sense to use 3 other melee to maximize buffs or something? like one warrior and enh shaman, rogue, etc? or do the warriors not monopolizing the rage still do better dmg than the other melee options

even one warrior, 3 hunters and a healer?

[Kruschpakx4]

warriors are quite tricky to play especially since you dont want to spend rage on cleave on the toons that dont have aggro...you lose quite a lot dps there

when I played that on pservers I was only using whirlwind in berserker stance (as 2h fury) and manually cleaving if more than half the warriors were above ~50 rage. I didnt really find much use for bloodthirst until 60 since it scales with ap and my gear sucked except weapons. And yeah cleave eats your auto hit so a warrior that doesnt get hit wont ever get the rage for whirlwind...I played that combo with shaman and even with windfury i struggled so much for rage i was barely using cleave. Maybe you try out on a mobpack how your group dps changes if you leave out cleave/bloodthirst and just auto hit/ww I think it should get higher, especially because it helps to spread aggro somewhat evenly on 4 fury warriors to get more enrage proccs it makes a huge difference since enrage is 25% damage.

Also, if your healer can manage it, dont do thunderclap either. In pre raid bis gear (as far as I got) it was hell of fun to play with the shaman totem twisting for extra 4% crit inbetween windfury and 4x hand of justice, dw (flurry axe in OH) and 7% hit thats where this combo is really going to wreck shit. If you ever get that to t2,5 gear and have some healers in your back and bags full of free action potion you have instant r14 :D


I make a macro for all the abilities I don't want to interrupt BS. So I'll make a macro that is like /cast [nochanneling] heroic strike. This lets you continue spamming your DPS without interrupting BS procs. Then just make a macro to cancel channels, if you need to reposition while one or more characters are spinning to win.

ok good to know this works, its quite funny I'm already way past 50 and I can still keep up with frostmage damage over the course of an entire brd run as an enhancement shaman with that damn weapon. I also made some mistake earlier weapon imbues flametongue/frostbrand can procc of it except windfury. Makes me wonder if warriors do better with flametongue totem then once they got the spin going.

[Mercbeast]

warriors are quite tricky to play especially since you dont want to spend rage on cleave on the toons that dont have aggro...you lose quite a lot dps there

when I played that on pservers I was only using whirlwind in berserker stance (as 2h fury) and manually cleaving if more than half the warriors were above ~50 rage. I didnt really find much use for bloodthirst until 60 since it scales with ap and my gear sucked except weapons. And yeah cleave eats your auto hit so a warrior that doesnt get hit wont ever get the rage for whirlwind...I played that combo with shaman and even with windfury i struggled so much for rage i was barely using cleave. Maybe you try out on a mobpack how your group dps changes if you leave out cleave/bloodthirst and just auto hit/ww I think it should get higher, especially because it helps to spread aggro somewhat evenly on 4 fury warriors to get more enrage proccs it makes a huge difference since enrage is 25% damage.

Also, if your healer can manage it, dont do thunderclap either. In pre raid bis gear (as far as I got) it was hell of fun to play with the shaman totem twisting for extra 4% crit inbetween windfury and 4x hand of justice, dw (flurry axe in OH) and 7% hit thats where this combo is really going to wreck shit. If you ever get that to t2,5 gear and have some healers in your back and bags full of free action potion you have instant r14 :D



ok good to know this works, its quite funny I'm already way past 50 and I can still keep up with frostmage damage over the course of an entire brd run as an enhancement shaman with that damn weapon. I also made some mistake earlier weapon imbues flametongue/frostbrand can procc of it except windfury. Makes me wonder if warriors do better with flametongue totem then once they got the spin going.

There is definitely a case to be made for using ravager all the way to 60, IF you are pulling >4 mobs at a time reliably, AND can control the threat. I gave it a try, but either I wasn't patient enough, or without the perma snares of a mages, I just had trouble controlling threat with a single warrior in defensive stance. One warrior would pull agro, spike to 600-700 dps, and die, and then someone else would die and wipe :)


with one warrior using all the rage, wouldn't it make more sense to use 3 other melee to maximize buffs or something? like one warrior and enh shaman, rogue, etc? or do the warriors not monopolizing the rage still do better dmg than the other melee options

even one warrior, 3 hunters and a healer?

If you're cleaving, aka using your rage on WW, you're still doing decent aoe damage. It's just that one warrior will snowball, they do a little more damage, get more threat, take more damage, build more rage, etc.

Also, yes, if I knew what I knew now about the speed/limitations of multiboxed warrior cleave, I'd have done probably 1 warrior, 3 ranged, 1 priest or paladin. If you want level speed, do mages. If you want sit back and face roll one pack at a time, hunters or warlocks.

[nodoze]

... [A METRIC TON OF INFO SOMEONE NEW TO MULTI-BOXING MULTIPLE WARRIORS SHOULD UNDERSTAND] ...
... [ANOTHER METRIC TON OF INFO SOMEONE NEW TO MULTI-BOXING MULTIPLE WARRIORS SHOULD UNDERSTAND] ...
... It's just that [when multiboxing] one warrior will snowball, they do a little more damage, get more threat, take more damage, build more rage, etc.

Also, yes, if I knew what I knew now about the speed/limitations of multiboxed warrior cleave, I'd have done probably 1 warrior, 3 ranged, 1 priest or paladin. ...OK now my head is swimming with all this info (in a good way so THANKS !)...

Since my Warriors are only in their early 30s I frankly still feel like a newb... In vanilla I mainly healed Warriors so I am a little like a fish out of water...

One advantage a melee-cleave by regular people may have is that each player can take aggro on a given mob to build their own rage and get enrage procs from. They can then bring their mobs together in the center and everyone's cleave damage helps each other while everyone is still getting enrage procs. Multi-boxing with Warriors doesn't work like that (for me at least) as all the Warriors are focusing the same target and thus it is harder to get an even spread of incoming damage to boost all the Warriors...

I am starting to think that maybe for now instead of funneling damage to my lead warrior running Arms with my 2 slave Warriors running Fury maybe I should now actually be doing the opposite and instead funnel the incoming damage to my lead warrior running Fury and let the slaves be Arms (at least until level 40).

This could maybe turn a "random snowball" into a "controlled snowball" with the single Fury warrior monopolizing it but the other warriors still also getting decent consistent damage via Arms and Sweeping Strikes...

From at least level 30 to 40 I could just plan on making my lead "the designated snowball" and get him initial "sight" aggro by charging in first and then have him do the shout(s) to solidify aggro and feed him the enrage procs to power his death wish. At 40 the incoming damage should proc both enrage & blood craze and he can funnel the rage into flurry & bloodthirst on top of death wish... The slave warriors would be a little more subtle follow-charging in after (& thus not getting initial sight aggro) and not shouting but then popping sweeping strikes & switching to Beserker (and when I get to 36 start using whirlwind).

From 30 to 40 their specs would be something like:

Lead "snowball" Warrior: 30 (https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/-0505000500501) ... 40 (https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/-05050135005010051);

Follow Warriors: 30 (https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/0230501133201) ... 40 (https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/023050213525100011);

I realize that once I get towards cap at level 60 that each Warrior will have portions of both Arms and Fury and can sorta have the best of each and maybe then just let things ideally ping-pong (and snowball if they must) but up till level 40 you can really only max one tree...

Thoughts?

I am tired so maybe that is a stupid idea but I figured I should put it down "on paper" before I go to bed in case I forget when I get up...

[Hiddenbrom]

Hopefully everyone is enjoying Classic so far. Personally, I tried running 5 yesterday but I don't have the intestinal fortitude to tackle all the collect quests and there weren't enough mobs to grind.

So today I rolled a priest and paladin and it's been incredibly fun. I might play around and add a third tomorrow. Any suggestions (I drive from the healer)?

But I was just wondering how it's going for everyone one else and what you're currently running in Classic.


I started 10 Shamans, 3 days ago, and I'm level 18 atm. I only do dungeons for the quests in it, and level up by questing, wich is really fun.
I can't stand the dungeon grinding especially with 10 toons, and leveling by questing is not that slow, I've been making around 12k exp\hour, wich is not bad at all considering I'm using 2 teams of 5 toons each at the same time.

[mrdsp]

I gave up at level 10 - mainly because made toons on one of the new severs and all my friends are on the main PVP server (EU Shaz).

Currently in two minds what to do, thinking grind my retail BFA alliance 10x DH team (as I have no alliance) so I can kill Horde I don't like :O

The item pickup in classic was just so painful for me, not sure how others finding it but to get 12 belts and 8 snouts that's 200 kills, more like 220/230 with the RNG. I just get tooo bored considering I don't know how end game is going to be.

One thing is for sure, wPvP is DEAD on usual wPvP areas in BFA retail because of Classic :D

[Hiddenbrom]

I gave up at level 10 - mainly because made toons on one of the new severs and all my friends are on the main PVP server (EU Shaz).

Currently in two minds what to do, thinking grind my retail BFA alliance 10x DH team (as I have no alliance) so I can kill Horde I don't like :O

The item pickup in classic was just so painful for me, not sure how others finding it but to get 12 belts and 8 snouts that's 200 kills, more like 220/230 with the RNG. I just get tooo bored considering I don't know how end game is going to be.

One thing is for sure, wPvP is DEAD on usual wPvP areas in BFA retail because of Classic :D


I am leveling 10 toons at once by questing and all you gotta do is SKIP all the collecting quests, except the ones that require 1 item.
Im 18.5 now and it’s been really fun.

[Jekalu]

I'm leveling as 4 Enhance Shamans and am level 51 at the moment. It has seemed good so far, grinding instances for SM gear. My main issue is I'm worried if maybe Elemental would be better now. Has anyone toyed around with Enhance vs Elemental at 40+?

Anyone have thoughts about 60 PvP as Enhance vs Elemental multiboxing too?

[pinotnoir]

Very sorry to hear and I hope things have improved some.

Which server are you on?

Kirtonos it's like 70% Horde

How are things going now?

Same

Are you at least able to get into SM consistently (even if boring)?

I can get in SM but if it's not at 8am in the morning expect a constant group of horde waiting at the instance. They kill you a few times running up but lucky the graveyard is close.

[Mmrwowboxer]

Level 34 on my Paladin, Priest, 3 Mages. Almost 7 days playtime, I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Given that I read quests and enjoy the game, I do about 3-4 levels a day now. AoE pulls are fun, and the tougher single mobs are where I have trouble.

[Kruschpakx4]

My main issue is I'm worried if maybe Elemental would be better now. Has anyone toyed around with Enhance vs Elemental at 40+?

Anyone have thoughts about 60 PvP as Enhance vs Elemental multiboxing too?

elemental is gonna be much better, more reliable and if you somehow get your hands on t1,5 gear you outrange every class with lightningbolt

[Jekalu]

elemental is gonna be much better, more reliable and if you somehow get your hands on t1,5 gear you outrange every class with lightningbolt

It'll be hard to justify more than 2pc ZG tier raiding as a resto shaman. Especially since the neck and the trinket are so trash. I was really hoping enhancement would be viable with some stun weapons. I trust your analysis though on it's viability. Do you think I should stay enhance at least until I'm 60?

My main concerns was dealing with Melee at 60. Maybe I underestimate dagger + flametongue and shock at 60 against slippery LoSing melee.

[drutt87]

I've actually been running with 5 since launch. I've got a Warrior as tank, Pala support, Warlock/Mage DPS and a priest healer. I've just hit 30 with them all. I've been driving from the tank, as I find it easier controlling mobs etc.

I've avoided as many quests where I need to collect x amount of items. I've just tried to find all the kill x amount of mobs quests, even that's a ball ache sometimes with everyone camping spawn points. Though I'm able to successfully run through dungeons without any issues for the right levels. I take a bit longer than other groups, but all the loot and drops are mine. I've got all professions going as well, which seem to be at the right levels. I have over 6 days played on them all, so I think it's taking a lot longer than normal but loving it so far!

[Mercbeast]

I'm leveling as 4 Enhance Shamans and am level 51 at the moment. It has seemed good so far, grinding instances for SM gear. My main issue is I'm worried if maybe Elemental would be better now. Has anyone toyed around with Enhance vs Elemental at 40+?

Anyone have thoughts about 60 PvP as Enhance vs Elemental multiboxing too?

I'd probably keep leveling to 60 as enhance, but start collecting your elemental gear, and swap at 60.

[Revv]

[QUOTE=nodoze;423405
I am starting to think that maybe for now instead of funneling damage to my lead warrior running Arms with my 2 slave Warriors running Fury maybe I should now actually be doing the opposite and instead funnel the incoming damage to my lead warrior running Fury and let the slaves be Arms (at least until level 40).

This could maybe turn a "random snowball" into a "controlled snowball" with the other warriors getting decent consistent damage also...

From at least level 30 to 40 I could just plan on making my lead "the designated snowball" and get him initial "sight" aggro by charging in first and then have him do the shout(s) to solidify aggro and feed him the enrage procs to power his death wish. At 40 the incoming damage should proc both enrage & blood craze and he can funnel the rage into flurry & bloodthirst on top of death wish... The slave warriors would be a little more subtle follow-charging in after (& thus not getting initial sight aggro) and not shouting but then popping sweeping strikes & switching to Beserker (and when I get to 36 start using whirlwind).

From 30 to 40 their specs would be something like:

Lead "snowball" Warrior: 30 (https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/-0505000500501) ... 40 (https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/-05050135005010051);

Follow Warriors: 30 (https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/0230501133201) ... 40 (https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/023050213525100011);

[/QUOTE]

Interested in this as well as i am rolling WWWWS, in dungeons with a shaman it is much much better having 1 warrior to consistently be the one taking dmg, i funnel the best Stam gear and armour enchants etc

my guys are at 32 and running ARMs with SS etc - i will be respec at 36 to drop IMP TC and take TM which I haven’t needed yet but will once i have to start going into zerker for WW - my comment on your build above is I believe imp charge is better than imp overpower as your sequence for your slave warriors will basically always be will be (if you can charge)
charge > Autoattack > SS > zerker > WW....
Given overpower requires battle stance you will not be using it much in dungeons

I really like the idea for the snowball build you have linked and keen to hear if anyone has tried this - is the sustain worth the loss of SS and does it hold Argo?

[smk]

Hi Everyone, I have been running 3 warrior 1 paladin and 1 priest, my team is in the 44 level range, i tried out uldaman for abit, but moved back to SM. I have so far found the melee team, pretty good. I like having the paladin, as I use ret. aura instead of armor. I have the paladin specc'ed for retribution, but im thinking of switching him to holy at some point, its nice having the back up heals as well. I mainly use him for auto attack with some spells and let the 2 warriors go ham. I have considered switching my war to arms and going tank on the paladin, but i don't want to spend money on respecs right now. My warrior driver is full protection and i find it easier to play this way, as I can more easily manage the threat and damage on 1 toon. I have been considering mages and warlocks. I am very curious how people are managing at lvl 60. I am thinking of running 2 warlocks, 1 mage, paladin and priest for my next team.

[nodoze]

Interested in this as well as i am rolling WWWWS, in dungeons with a shaman it is much much better having 1 warrior to consistently be the one taking dmg, i funnel the best Stam gear and armour enchants etc

my guys are at 32 and running ARMs with SS etc - i will be respec at 36 to drop IMP TC and take TM which I haven’t needed yet but will once i have to start going into zerker for WW - my comment on your build above is I believe imp charge is better than imp overpower as your sequence for your slave warriors will basically always be will be (if you can charge)
charge > Autoattack > SS > zerker > WW....
Given overpower requires battle stance you will not be using it much in dungeons

I really like the idea for the snowball build you have linked and keen to hear if anyone has tried this - is the sustain worth the loss of SS and does it hold Argo?I think a solo warrior can have alerts pop up when overpower is available and macro to auto-stance-dance to enable overpower (and then stance dance back) and keep at least 25 rage if they have enough points in Arms for Tactical Mastery (TM). That being said I don't really see myself being able to do that while multi-boxing so I agree the point should be moved.

You definitely want TM to unlock Anger Management as it has big hidden Rage related benefits not listed in the description.

I have been trying multiple things to have my lead Fury warrior take/keep aggro but my 2 slave Arms warriors seem to take it pretty regularly once they pop Sweeping Strikes such that I have not been able to establish a consistent controlled Fury snowball yet... It does seem nice when it works so I plan to keep at it but it may be that we really need to get to 36 for Whirlwind to level the playing field more as Sweeping Strikes may be too much till then...

Assuming I only have an initial ~20-30 Rage from both Charge & Bloodrage the following are some initial rotations I plan to test this weekend (assuming I get time to play) on my Fury Warrior to see if he can keep aggro from the Arms warriors running Sweeping Strikes:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hu0Q38WxrHTsUql7uYanZdrU5DspN9YScDbnUGvoI10/edit?usp=sharing

I came up with those estimated threat numbers based on this guide:

https://classic.wowhead.com/guides/threat-overview-classic-wow#threat-modifier-abilities-and-values-warrior

A third option will be to just try spamming Battle Shout periodically but I would like to try to not have to do that as I want to pour as much rage as possible into DPS... As a 4th option we could also try Demo Shout spam but again I would like to avoid that as it seems wasteful...

If my lead Fury Warrior still has aggro issues after trying both initial rotation options listed I may just buff my slave Arms warriors with Blessing of Salvation to reduce their threat by -30% & retry options 1 & 2 and avoid wasting any rage on extra shouts...

Please report back if you do any testing yourself. This could really help many people.

[Kruschpakx4]

It'll be hard to justify more than 2pc ZG tier raiding as a resto shaman. Especially since the neck and the trinket are so trash. I was really hoping enhancement would be viable with some stun weapons. I trust your analysis though on it's viability. Do you think I should stay enhance at least until I'm 60?

My main concerns was dealing with Melee at 60. Maybe I underestimate dagger + flametongue and shock at 60 against slippery LoSing melee.

for sure its rather a long term goal especially on multiple toons, however I have no doubt that 4 5boxers are able to clear zg at some point with preraid bis gear (unless you run with 10+elementals) ...maybe the tank should have some MC gear but its not that hard otherwise.

So for leveling I'm confident now that a team of elementals is faster in dungeon grind and outdoor at 40+. Enhancement is just as mana dependent since if you only autohit you got to heal eventually too so you might aswell spend mana on a volley lightning bolts. Plus int gear also comes with spirit occasionally which improves manareg after the 5 sec rule too. What elemental suffers most from imo (compared to mages) is the lack of hit/resist reduce talents so you should keep in mind running dungeons where mobs are at or below your level (which should be obvious but even more important for ele than others).

At level 60 you have a bunch of options to play this combo in pvp, 1h shield enh/elemental with avoidance talents (dodge,armor) and reduced shock cd, eventually with 2.7 speed weapon and wf or <2.0 speed flametongue, that is probably the most viable melee melee team. You could then either pick stormstrike and always rotate ss and double earth shock (ss doesnt stack), or play 21/30/0 for double spell crit damage and play with mail sp gear instead of going for melee stats. Or you skip the melee damage in late enhance tree and go 31/20/0 with more casting but still being able to deal moderate damage when oom. Either way I'd play it in a way where I carry a shield so you dont have to worry about melees as much, ultimately the aq20 shield with the silience procc is going to be the best one (and its boe). The standard ele/resto spec is superior against caster though as healing focus allows you get heals off against aoe bombing and you get the pvp hitcap and more crit. If you want to try 2h enhancement, get the 4.0 speed axe from lbrs and use rockbiter on it, stormstrike and switch to a fast 1h shield with flametongue to finish him off (speaking for one shaman now, i doubt ppl survive 5x stormstrike from that thing as its 5x2(ss+auto hit)x600+ white hit dmg in bad gear)

Other than that there are some fun items you can toy around, like having 5x the dark iron hammer with 8 sec stun procc or giving one shaman the zul farak 1h mace which has that mini thunderfury procc, slowing the attack speed of 4 enemys by 10% (probably quite helpful for tanking dungeons too). 5x engineering obviously opens a whole new world of harassing ppl aswell.

[Seekah]

Almost 10 days /played and lvl 49, currently in ZF and will stay here till 51 then head to BRD.

[kate]

My 5x hunter team is level 23 now - I’m definitely not taking a very optimal path for speed leveling, but they’re now able to slowly grind through stockades. It’s great to get more money and more silk now since the whole team is done with wool. Stockades is so much more convenient than Deadmines!

[nodoze]

My 5x hunter team is level 23 now - I’m definitely not taking a very optimal path for speed leveling, but they’re now able to slowly grind through stockades. It’s great to get more money and more silk now since the whole team is done with wool. Stockades is so much more convenient than Deadmines!Agreed. I really liked DeadMines but Stockades was just great (as long as you had a solution for runners).

Thankfully with Paladins or Warlocks runners can become pretty trivial via these techniques (https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/56196-Best-options-to-control-fleeing-mobs-(runners-who-will-bring-back-friends)).

[kate]

Agreed. I really liked DeadMines but Stockades was just great (as long as you had a solution for runners).

Yeah - runners I’m trying to save an arcane shot charge to take them down but sometimes lack the mana. Faster weapons will be helpful - Moonlite rifle in another level will help, and maybe I can put concussive shot on round robin.

[Barazanthul]

I just reached level 20 with Warri, Priest, 2Mages and a WL. Currently running through DeadMines with 7300 XP an hour and roughly 50 Silver per character. I will need another 8 Runns till i am able to enter stockades.

[Mmrwowboxer]

Level 39 on my Pally, Preist, 3 Mages. Over 8 days played. I keep wanting to enjoy the zones and quest, but the ganking makes me want to just hurry up and level. Got it bad on the boat, got killed by 2 skulls, a rogue and his healer. I almost got the rogue after he wiped out half my team, but his healer saved him just in time. Didn't even know if I can fight on the boat, anyway I got knocked off the boat In the middle of Fatigue land, and had to eventually take the rez sickness. Only to be greeted by my friends who kept killing me and making rude gestures. This went on for a while, but I outlasted them and waited till the coast was clear to rez.

I got it rough this time, I tell ya. I'm trying so hard to get ahead of the pack, been playing all day pretty much this week.

[omegared]

Level 27.5 now after 3+ days played on 5 fire mages. I'm at that point where i can aoe down pretty big groups of mobs my own level.

[sothis]

Hey i have 3 teams around lvl 40 switching back and forth and while accumulating rested xp.

1. Team 4x warrior and a shaman

I was really looking forward to playing this team for quite a while before release. i am kinda disappointed, looking after the positioning of the warriors is very annoying to me but it gets shit done.

2. Team 4xmage and a priest

Super faceroll team, ice armor snare goes a long way with this. Most of the time i was exclusively aoe farming dungeons just by pulling 2-4 packs and spamming arcane explosion and holy nova while running circles to keep incoming damage low. nice oneshots in pvp when you get shatter. its pretty hilarious when you met another dungeon group at the entrance and 3 gcd they are all dead.

3. Team 4xWarlock and a priest

ran dungeons until 30 with the cookie cutter spec, then had a brainfart and respecced the warlocks into destro to try aoeing with hellfire and priest spamming prayer, it doesnt work very well for me, i believe the stun talent has a diminishing return and stacking up while being spammed by 4 warlocks super quickly, effectively cutting 3s stuns down to 1.5 and 0.75 and stunimunity or whatever the timings are. but spamming hellfire is super hilarious for bombing away other factions dungeon groups.

Im not super sure if i play the warrior team correctly or if i use IWT correctly. once i hit the button twice rapidly the toons are moving through the enemy and walking into a wall.

Im thinking about starting 5 elemental shamans or 4 elemental shamans and something else because i already have a shaman with the warrior team but for now i keep leveling the mage team

[Cryptide]

3. Team 4xWarlock and a priest

ran dungeons until 30 with the cookie cutter spec,

Can you link the spec you were running on wlock and priest? How did you play this team in your dungeons? Thanks!

[sothis]

Can you link the spec you were running on wlock and priest? How did you play this team in your dungeons? Thanks!

was regular affliction, doting mobs and facetanking the damage, priest was holy

well i experimented with diffrent talents on the warlocks, improved drain soul might be good leveling solo but becomes pretty useless in a party.

i also dont feel like improved agony or improved drain life is worth it, fel concentration on the other hand felt very worth it to me. i guess i will respec again and learn something like this https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warlock/35002015122011-005-50500051220201

[ohmsten]

Currently 39 with 3.5 days played on my 4x warrior 1 shaman team. Been doing SM armory (about 15 kills on herod so far) and only 1 ravager. Starting to get frustrated so I may rest them up and try a different team for a little bit.

[Lyonheart]

I just hit 40 on my team last night. man, I'm very impressed with those of you who are 60 or near! Do you have jobs? school? lol im playing in all my spare time now days. Im at 8 days, 20 hours played lol! i hit 40 with enough for 4 mounts.. so ill be farming gold today. Not sure if SM is best for that or just running around killing skinable mobs in some 40+ zone. I can gather as many as wont leash back if they are not eletes lol. The grey items on some of the beasts ( ie blions,, tigers and bears!) stack and can add up fast!

[Mercbeast]

I just want to say, at 58 I swapped my 31/20 fury arms spec to 31/20 arms/fury. This is, in my opinion, the superior aoe leveling spec for warriors. I'm a little upset that I knew that it was probably better, but I persisted with fury for so long.

In short, the opening aoe burst from sweeping strikes into whirlwind, or mortal strikes, is so vastly superior to a fury build that it's almost stupid that I only spent about 4 hours and one level with it back at level 36 or 37.

To give you an idea of the difference it has made for me. In most 4-6 pack aoe situations, I would typically have 1 warrior do MAYBE 300 DPS(edge case here not using ravager), and the other 3 do 120-200. By swapping back to sweeping strikes, all 4 warriors will often finish the fight north of 250-300 dps. The opening burst is just far higher.

The downside is, you will probably lose some sustain, which will hurt your boss fights which when you are running all melee, can be problematic against any sort of heavy aoe mechanics.

[nodoze]

I just want to say, at 58 I swapped my 31/20 fury arms spec to 31/20 arms/fury. This is, in my opinion, the superior aoe leveling spec for warriors. I'm a little upset that I knew that it was probably better, but I persisted with fury for so long.

In short, the opening aoe burst from sweeping strikes into whirlwind, or mortal strikes, is so vastly superior to a fury build that it's almost stupid that I only spent about 4 hours and one level with it back at level 36 or 37.

To give you an idea of the difference it has made for me. In most 4-6 pack aoe situations, I would typically have 1 warrior do MAYBE 300 DPS(edge case here not using ravager), and the other 3 do 120-200. By swapping back to sweeping strikes, all 4 warriors will often finish the fight north of 250-300 dps. The opening burst is just far higher.

The downside is, you will probably lose some sustain, which will hurt your boss fights which when you are running all melee, can be problematic against any sort of heavy aoe mechanics.Thanks so much for sharing your lessons learned Mercbeast!

Based upon our earlier discussions I switched both of my following slaves from Fury to Arms and I did see a significant improvement after switching...

I am hoping it is possible to get the best of both worlds and have the sustain on my lead warrior (changed temporarily to Fury for testing) by feeding him the rage and making him the "designated snowball" with my slaves sweeping up with sweeping strikes...

Unfortunately I have been too busy with work to finish my testing and think it will be better once I get WhirlWind at 36 (only 32/33 at the moment). After level 36 I will do my best to redo any testing done before and report back.

[Apatheist]

arms/fury

I've been converted to arms too. I like fury better for some intangible reason but sweeping strikes is too good for grinding dungeons to pass up and bloodthirst is pretty mediocre damage until you get enough AP for it to scale better than skills that rely solely on weapon damage.

Also, the first 11 points for anger management are a much bigger deal than many people realize. Being able to generate rage over time as well as retain rage while stance swapping makes macroing the rotation so much easier.

[Petrolsk]

I started a 5 man hunter multi-box. I'm currently at level 24 on all of them. Just completed farming Wailing Caverns three times. My next dungeon I'll be tackling is The Deadmines.

[Fornza]

First Post on the Forum ! Thanks to all for the advice and wisdom I have been able to access on the forums over the last year or so since finding this site. That being said, I would like to start contributing so here goes...

Regarding Group Comps: I struggled and struggled to find something that worked for me in Classic. In retail I have two teams; Druids x 5 & Hunters x 5.

I attempted with much frustration to make those two teams + warlocks x 5 and shamans x 5, only to give up once dungeons became part of my leveling plan. While those type of teams seem to scream up to levels 10-15, the minute I entered a dungeon, I struggled. And trust me, no videos were made nor would ever be shared of those chaotic, angst filled hours. So... to the forums I went...

It seems as though there are a lot of people doing Tank / Healer / 3 x something or 2 x something + 1 for added Utility (W, P, M, M, M) or (W, P, M, M, W) for example. I saw lots of posts for groups like this so I thought I'd give it a try. FINALLY I made some progress. Then I started to feel a little unhappy...

Was my group functional? Yes. There seems to be absolutely nothing wrong with a Trinity Comp. You can do dungeons, kill stuff for quests, just about anything you want to do, the group does it without complaint. I went with the W,P,M,M,W; so hearth-stoning + summoning or teleporting + Summoning is super efficient. I forgot who gave that advice along the way, but it is such an amazing time saver in Classic that without that little gem of info, I'd probably still be broke in game.

The real issue I had with this group was that because I was so used to playing 5 x same class in Retail, that I felt clunky (read: no synergy, etc. that people post about). I tried driving from the priest and couldn't get the hang of it, went to click through healing while driving from the tank and that was a lot better. For those planning to play or struggling with a Trinity Comp - figuring out healing and driving is a must do. EMA + Healbot or Clique makes life so much easier. Thanks again for those tips.

After much debate, reading, starts, re-starts, configuring, I went with Mages x 4 + Priest. Viepax on the forums inspired me to give it a try and it worked. I no long feel like I'm working in game, so much as I feel like I'm having fun again. Afterall, I don't stream or make money in game, I play for the challenge and fun of the game. If I'm not having fun, money and time is being wasted. Worse yet, if I'm growing frustrated I am then wasting time and money to torture myself.

I think the comp works for a couple of reasons:

1) I played a mage as my first character and always loved playing the mage, although I never multiboxed a mage until now. Nuking is fun for me !
2) I don't want to spend time trying to hold agro, position mobs, or otherwise tank. If I want to do that, I'd rather roll solo on my war and get a regular group. That is not to say a tank or melee is bad, just that its not for me. It seems to be a playstyle thing, more than functionality. (especially given how truly tanky, tanks are in Classic)

Final thoughts on Group Comp: Keep going until you find the one that starts to no longer feel like you're working, whatever that might be. If you're like me and see or read about folks happy with shaman x 5 or trinity comps, etc., but just can't seem to get it smooth or fun, change it up. Go with warlocks and a healer or mages, etc. Leveling speed is a good way to measure your fun, but not the only way to measure; meaning, if you find yourself doing things that are cool and you're getting exp, awesome. Keep it up. If it feels like work work work... well there is (for most of us) RL work for that work feeling.

My best to you all.

[southeastbeast]

I've been super interested in switching my warrior to a mage to make a 4mage/priest team. Team is currently level 28 so it wouldn't be so bad.

1) Do you drive from the priest?
2) What spec are your mages? primary arcane + a few frost?
3) What level are you?
4) How are you handling dungeons? Skipping a lot of bosses and just aoe farming?

[Fornza]

I've been super interested in switching my warrior to a mage to make a 4mage/priest team. Team is currently level 28 so it wouldn't be so bad.

1) Do you drive from the priest?
2) What spec are your mages? primary arcane + a few frost?
3) What level are you?
4) How are you handling dungeons? Skipping a lot of bosses and just aoe farming?


I drive from a mage, and use ISBoxer with the click through to heal option (3rd tab on isboxer set up window) then have HealBot installed so I'm clicking left click for flash heal and right click for renews. I then use shift left click for a shield on my main mage to pull. My guys are now 29 (nearly 30) on mage x 2 and the priest and nearly 26 on the 2 other mages. All the switching around of group comps means i had to stop at 25 on my three guys to then level 2 mages together, then started grouping them at 22 when they got Arcane explosion.

I'm going down the fire tree with the mages so I can cycle in Blast Wave from one mage every few Arcane Blasts, to interupt casters, etc. Not sure how that will work out for me, but I remember loving it when I had one mage and played vanilla.

Dungeons... well, I've only done...

RFC (didnt skip anything, but i was a trinity group then, so not really the same)
SFK (followed the advice to do everything but the silencing mobs area in the circle) I was doing this at 22 with my group, it is where I did my first grouping with the four mage 1 priest team.

I've now moved to BFD, farmed up 5 x Rod of the sleepwalker since I'm all casters and just in the last few runs started killing the last boss. I found that I could kill every boss in the dungeon, except the last one, when i was 26/26/23/23 on the mages. Upon getting to 29/29/25/25 I was able to kill the last guy without resist troubles.

Regarding pulls... I'm no super boxer with pulling skills worthy of a video... i started with killing 3/4 depending on the grouping, then moved to more like 4/5, then 5/8 on a pull. More than that and a mage is getting hit, gets space, nukers lag, etc.... just a pain. So, I'm trying to silence the first lagging nuking mob, running into the group while my team is following, then start spamming arcane blasts, while healing whichever toon is being smacked around.... usually the main mage since he is in the lead, hits first usually, and also has the best gear so dps is ever so slightly higher. At my level, im doing around 169-179 dps on all four mages on my average pull. I've been higher, but that's the meter right now as I'm sitting in BFD.

[Drizzt]

I've been running Prot. Paladin+3Frost Mage+Holy Priest. Waited until three days ago to get the group started as there was just so much competition on mobs and nodes for the Quests. So far it's been good, but yes the collection quests are a great pain. The group is at lvl 15 now, and as soon as I get to 18ish I'll be doing dungeons for the most part to get to 60. So far it's been a blast though :D

[southeastbeast]

I drive from a mage, and use ISBoxer with the click through to heal option...... I've been higher, but that's the meter right now as I'm sitting in BFD.

Neat and thanks for the reply! I've just started leveling a mage on my warrior account and have the team following out of group. The mage is getting 1/4 exp from kills when the team wands after tagging, but I think the quests will go so fast it won't matter.

[Kojiiko]

Just hit 48 warrior, priest 3 mages, I've been fury with my warrior which has been good but when I hit ZF mobs hit like trucks but I continue to go that route.

Today I saw a streamer called SlothxHero, doing the same combo he was doing warrior prot gathering more mobs, surviving longer. His mages we frost and a bit of arcane.

I respecced to prot which is so much better, thou Ive kept my fire mages the same spec I just hit 48 which I get the new rank for flamestrike. Ill see how that is otherwise Ill respec to frost. For me I dont care for the bosses at the moment I care for the grind.

[Anemo]

Just hit 25 on my Priest/4xMage team and has been pretty fun so far. Managed to get matching robes for entire squad :)

https://www.dual-boxing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2245&stc=1

[Diwa]

First Post on the Forum ! Thanks to all for the advice and wisdom I have been able to access on the forums over the last year or so since finding this site....

Great insights and thanks for sharing. I've been also experimenting on different team comps and P + 4M was my favorite too. If only Paladin Holy Shock has the 6 sec CD like in Retail and not 30 sec in classic, I'm sure I'll be rolling Pally instead of Priest and grab all the mobs in Strat like i used to.

I can't seem to make the ISboxer broadcast region work on top of Healbot. When the region is there and click healbot it doesn't work. When I remove the region the healbot works. Not sure how you make it work. I might just try Clique instead.


Anyway there are two things that's holding me back in pursuing same class teams and just continue to pursue my mix team W P M W H

a) I want to have all classes in one account when I quit boxing
b) I want to have a warrior and 2 shiny two handed axes as I stroll Orgrimmar (Makes me wanna roll Tauren instead) :D


Now the problem I have in Mix team

a) Not as synchronized compared to P +4 M or 5 same classes on Wpvp and Raid
b) When I quit boxing i'm stuck with 1 or 2 classes