PvE-only 5 Boxing?

[Jon3]

I've got 3 high end computers, and I'm tempted to pick up 2 more, and try my hand at 5boxing, specifically, I want to be able to do almost all of the heroic 5 man instances eventually.

I'd like to keep the class types simple, so I'm leaning towards 1+4. Can you really do 1 priest + 5 warlock, and still do the 5 mans, or will you need to have some kind of tank?

[caldvn]

I'd like to keep the class types simple, so I'm leaning towards 1+4. Can you really do 1 priest + 5 warlock, and still do the 5 mans, or will you need to have some kind of tank?

No, Need tank, and even if you have the perfect group, you will NEVER be able to do ALL the heroic instances. Maybe not ever, unless you hit 80 and go back and do level 70 heroics...

[Xzin]

Heroics are going to be tough. I have not leveled to that point yet so my first hand information is limited. However I do see 1 and 2 shotting of cloth classes in videos. That does not mean you cannot come up with creative ways to do them - kiting, etc. But it certainly will not be a cake walk.

5 boxing is tough as it is. I am still out on how viable my teams will be - I anticipate the warlocks will have much more success than the mages. But both could completely fail no matter what I do due to the class mix.

I tend to hope that is not the case but we will see. 5 cloths in heroics.. not the first choice and lets leave it at that for now.

[caldvn]

Um...Shadow Labs second boss, it's already hard normal group, impossible 5 boxing, Heroics? Yuh...not happening.

[l0de]

The people saying it's impossible are wrong.

They are scripted fights, and it's entirely possible to create your own scripts to beat them. X-Keys ftw.

[Dor]

ive been able to take the first boss mech heroic, first boss sl heroic, 1st and second boss arc heroic, and some other assorted lower lvl heroic bosses but i would say youd need a well geared prot tank for most of not all of these

im using prot warr/prot pally holy priesy and 3 mages atm might try to mix in a lock soon

[caldvn]

The people saying it's impossible are wrong.

Just me saying it's impossible to do ALL heroic instances 5 boxing. You can get away with some if not most of the heroic instances, just not all. It ain't happening until level cap is raised to 80 and you come back a kicking arse with 10 levels on the bosses.

[unit187]

yeah thats right, some heroics are basically way too hard to 5-box, like heroic ramparts demon boss, I think it is almost impossible to do

[caldvn]

yeah thats right, some heroics are basically way too hard to 5-box, like heroic ramparts demon boss, I think it is almost impossible to do

I've cleared Heroic Ramparts.

[unit187]

with 5 cloth? ;)

[caldvn]

Cloths, not happening. I can't comment too much on 5 shamans, cause there are some possibilities there, just a hell of a lot more risk vs a standard tank/dps/heal group.

I have 2 groups that I use for heroics. Total of 10 level 70's.

-Paladin, mage, mage, mage, druid. (Still farming bojs)
-Warior, mage, warlock, mage, priest. (I farmed all the bojs I would ever need for this group.)

[Bradster]

If someone really wants to complete an instance I think they could figure it out. I mean heck controlling five characters was said to be impossible. :)

[HPAVC]

I don't see the heroics being a problem. You may have to gear up higher to get them done. xbox is doing elite heroics, but his itemization is much higher than a mundane level 70's itemization. He is sporting nearly ~185 per slot and the gear is completely for his spec. Also his 'chain lightning barrage pull', kite and wait out cooldowns ... is a motif that is a great combination. With chain lightning on a mere 6 second cooldown with a instant recast proc and 100% crit prebuff spell as well as swiftness.

If xbox added a prot tank, suddenly he would need to start healing with the shaman. Suddenly he spec falls apart and the a ~30k damage burst pulls (likely much higher now) insta-kills are no more. Oddly a lack of a tank means that eye of the storm is going on, for good or for worse.

Large boss fights seem to be spread out so that they can have a chance at doing the 'shooting fish in a barrel' formation. So if the boss does take on one toon the others likely can pull the mob off and make it circulate.

The idea of being 80th level doesn't really impact things. xbox's gear is already suitable for 80th level toons, he is just missing higher ranks.

[Los]

gear would be of a great issue, I think that if you get enough of dungeon set items you will do very good in heroics. Wont be a walkin the park, but should be possible.

I wish I was even remotly close on gaining that level :(

[caldvn]

I don't see the heroics being a problem. You may have to gear up higher to get them done. xbox is doing elite heroics, but his itemization is much higher than a mundane level 70's itemization. He is sporting nearly ~185 per slot and the gear is completely for his spec. Also his 'chain lightning barrage pull', kite and wait out cooldowns ... is a motif that is a great combination. With chain lightning on a mere 6 second cooldown with a instant recast proc and 100% crit prebuff spell as well as swiftness..

I never said there was a problem with doing heroics, just being able to do most of them is every multi-boxers dream...soooo keep dreaming. How many (NonHeroic) BC dungeons have you cleared with your 5 man? Watching someone clear one of the easiest heroic dungeon and already assume that you guys will be able to clear every other heroic boggles me.


Large boss fights seem to be spread out so that they can have a chance at doing the 'shooting fish in a barrel' formation. So if the boss does take on one toon the others likely can pull the mob off and make it circulate.

I think confusing one of his toons drawing aggro and dying then going to another toon, it takes a very high level of degree to control aggro and to the point where you can get the boss to come to a specific toon at will...I would really like to see someone able to do that with any combination of 5 classes other than 5 paladins...actually 5 rogues, go go vanish, 5 mages, one starts invis, cept they'll probably die so fast it's not funny, hunter fd, I stand corrected...5 shamans? I guess if you die and self rez it would count as circulating the mob around.


The idea of being 80th level doesn't really impact things. xbox's gear is already suitable for 80th level toons, he is just missing higher ranks.

You misunderstood my post. Expansion will raise level cap to 80, with the expansion will also have level 80 gear.......therefore making level 70 heroics instances easier...

As stated before, no matter how well gear you may be, you will not be able to do ALL heroic instances...ALL ALL ALL, Xbox has only done Slave Pens and the first Heroic boss from one other heroic dungeon...so far, or at least been posted/shown.

[Mannyman]

Which group do you prefer Caldyn, the pally or warrior group?

Swap the warrior for a pally, and that's pretty much my group:)

[caldvn]

Which group do you prefer Caldyn, the pally or warrior group?

Swap the warrior for a pally, and that's pretty much my group:)

Depends on the instance, with pally I can do Non Heroic BM, with warrior I can't since I have to focus one toon on dpsing the adds that fly by, with Paladin I can consecrate and hold aggro, full dps on the elite then follow and aoe all the adds when the elite is near dead. Warrior can't do that.

Shattered Halls is easy with Paladin aoe tanking vs warrior trying to hold 3 elites 2 sheeps, overall more difficult in that instance.

Mtin'g main heroic bosses and adds are easier with the warrior, I take less risk of dying/wiping, there's more hp and mitigation from warrior than paladin. Single boss aggro management is > than Paladin. In Karazhan / Prince, I eventually and obviously start losing aggro over the duration of the fight vs the warrior, and wind up taking more crushing blows vs warrior.

HP right now is 14k warrior vs 10.5k paladin hp. Warrior gear up to 490 defense can be swapped with mitigation type gear, block/dodge/parry gear. The Paladin due to aggro management needs to have spell damage in as much as possible if you plan to hold aggro longer + hp, so you have to balance out x amount of total spell damage vs x amount of mitigation.

Overall though, Paladin is better 5 man instance then warrior at the moment.