New PC for 5 accounts on WoW

[Slowplay]

Looking to purchase a new PC in the next week to multibox 5 wow's.

i9 9900k
RTX 2070 8gb
32gb 2933mhz
256 m.2 pcie nvme ssd

It appears that the above specs are common for a 5 box setup.

I plan on primarily doing world quests, 5man dungeons and node/npc farming and all activities will occur in the BFA expansion. Is the setup listed above overkill if the minions are running at ~20 fps low distance render lowest settings ect and primary is at medium graphic settings (shadows, AA ect) avg 40-60 fps?

I have a budget around 2200$ USD. Would a AMD CPU or GPU provide better value or performance?

Also, I will only run WoW no streaming ,music , or internet during multiboxing.

Last comment, currently looking at an AW Aurora, would anyone recommend ibuypower or cyberpowerpc as an alternative? Where would I find info on which motherboard, ram brand spec, ect I should select ( a little overwhelming will all the options)

Thanks for help =)

[Moorea]

it seems overkill/comfortable

after building some myself years ago, i got my latest pc from bestbuy at the (brief) time you couldn't find 2080s anywhere, it's an ibuypower and I just changed/upgraded the ram and it's fine (water cooled etc) - ie cheap but not horrible construction

I would recommend buying from a local store though because the first one I got was in a reboot loop (interestingly the 2080 in both was from different vendors, current one is a zotacgaming)

[MiRai]

Those specs are solid for today and into the future, but AMD is about to release their 3000-series CPUs next month, which may or may not trigger a price war with Intel, which, may or may not be worth waiting for since the rumor has it that the new X570 boards are going to be pricier than usual, which (triple which) may offset the amount you'd be saving with the AMD CPU versus the Intel CPU, so... wait or buy? Flip a coin. :)

Also, I have no experience with anything other than self-built machines, so someone else will have to chime in on that.

[Sservis]

Three comments


As Mirai mentioned, waiting until mid July will get you more performance or save you some $. Then again NVidia/AMD may announce future graphics products and you'll be tempted to wait again. At some point you'll just have to pull the trigger (assuming before Black Friday/Cyber Monday sales)





The SSD seems a bit small at only 256 GB. Even then, I'd want a bit more fast disk, something in the 500 GB range minimum. (I'm assuming you also have slow HDs you're migrating)





When buying the memory, I'd strongly consider buy a combination of sticks that satisfies the channel requirements of your motherboard but also leaves space for future expansion. ie if the motherboard has 4 slots, dual channel, use 16 GBx2 rather than 8 GBx4 so that you can easily move up to 64 GB if you find it'd be useful. Price it both ways obviously and consider how likely it is that you'll want more ram. It's probably worth a small premium.

[Moorea]

Wouldn't by the time you need more than 32Gb you'll need a new PC anyway ?

[MiRai]

As Mirai mentioned, waiting until mid July will get you more performance or save you some $. Then again NVidia/AMD may announce future graphics products and you'll be tempted to wait again. At some point you'll just have to pull the trigger (assuming before Black Friday/Cyber Monday sales)
I certainly agree with this sentiment, where you can find yourself in an endless loop of just waiting because there will, without a doubt, be something better if you just wait a little longer, but the AMD CPU release is only 3 weeks away, and Intel may actually drop prices in an attempt to counter AMD. If you're going to buy Intel anyway, then you won't be saving much, but if you want more cores/threads than the 9900K has to offer, at very similar performance numbers, then you will definitely want to wait to try and get your hands on a 3900X in ~3 weeks.


When buying the memory, I'd strongly consider buy a combination of sticks that satisfies the channel requirements of your motherboard but also leaves space for future expansion. ie if the motherboard has 4 slots, dual channel, use 16 GBx2 rather than 8 GBx4 so that you can easily move up to 64 GB if you find it'd be useful. Price it both ways obviously and consider how likely it is that you'll want more ram. It's probably worth a small premium.

Here is where I disagree, but only if someone is going to be using the XMP profile of their RAM. If you only ever expect to run the RAM at the stock speed that the chipset has to offer, then mixing and matching RAM can be done with little-to-no issues, but if you want to use the XMP profile and overclock the RAM, then mixing and matching RAM is not a good idea.

Memory kits are sold together because they're tested together, and are 100% guaranteed to work together. So, you may buy a 2x16GB kit today, rated at 3200MHz, that works just fine at that speed, but you can easily find that when adding in a second 2x16GB 3200Mhz kit, that all of a sudden your system is no longer stable at 3200Mhz with 2x16 + 2x16. The problem is that both kits probably work perfectly, at 3200MHz, when you only have only that one matched pair installed at a time, and so the RAM isn't actually bad, it's simply the case that it wasn't tested together, and isn't guaranteed to work together. One solution to all of this, is to just buy the amount of RAM you want, from the beginning, and avoid any issues with RAM, since troubleshooting it can be a headache.

[Slowplay]

Thanks for the replies, I pulled the trigger on the setup with an additional 2tb HD. I would love to wait but had to make the purchase before the wife changed her mind. With the new PC it will have divx 12 most likely? I see people post using divx11, is that something I can do?

[MiRai]

With the new PC it will have divx 12 most likely? I see people post using divx11, is that something I can do?
DivX (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DivX) is a video codec.
"DX" is short-hand for DirectX, which is an API used for programming on Microsoft platforms.
World of Warcraft currently uses both DX11 and DX12, and any GPU purchased in the last several years is capable of both.

[Slowplay]

DivX (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DivX) is a video codec.
"DX" is short-hand for DirectX, which is an API used for programming on Microsoft platforms.
World of Warcraft currently uses both DX11 and DX12, and any GPU purchased in the last several years is capable of both.

Does the version of dx have an impact on multiboxing?

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Does the version of dx have an impact on multiboxing?
Start here: https://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/55369-Patch-8-1-5-DirectX

[MiRai]

AMD is about to release their 3000-series CPUs next month, which may or may not trigger a price war with Intel
Like clockwork:

https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20190621PD205.html

[Slowplay]

Like clockwork:

https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20190621PD205.html

Good call on price drop.

I was able to watch a couple of your vids on YouTube, and I was wondering what size monitor are you using?
I currently have a 7 yrs old 30 inch wide Dell monitor.

Would this monitor work?
LG 34UM61-P 34" Class UltraWide Full HD IPS Monitor
2560 x 1080 Resolution75Hz Refresh RateFreeSync Technology5ms Response Time21:9 Aspect Ratio

I would like to setup like you had the 4 minions on the bottom. I dont need 4k viewing, I just want the main toon to have a decent size so I see what's going on main with a little access to see what the others are doing.
Would two of these be significantly better than one larger monitor?

[MiRai]

I was able to watch a couple of your vids on YouTube, and I was wondering what size monitor are you using?
I currently use a 4K 42" UHD420 display.


Would this monitor work?
LG 34UM61-P 34" Class UltraWide Full HD IPS Monitor
2560 x 1080 Resolution75Hz Refresh RateFreeSync Technology5ms Response Time21:9 Aspect Ratio
In my opinion, I think 1080p stops looking acceptable after ~27" where the pixels reach the point where they can become noticeable, which can affects image crispness.


I would like to setup like you had the 4 minions on the bottom. I dont need 4k viewing, I just want the main toon to have a decent size so I see what's going on main with a little access to see what the others are doing.
Would two of these be significantly better than one larger monitor?
It's hard to say because it's subjective—some people swear by using multiple displays—but after switching to a single large display, I certainly enjoy using a single large display for everything.

[Svpernova09]

I currently use a 4K 42" UHD420 display.


In my opinion, I think 1080p stops looking acceptable after ~27" where the pixels reach the point where they can become noticeable, which can affects image crispness.



Agree 100% with MiRai. I have 2x Samsung 4k 27" and I can barely stand 1080 on them. When not gaming I'm running them @ 2560x1440. So i imagine 2560 x 1080 would look odd and stretched to me. I've seen several peolpe *swear* by ultrawide displays. I just don't think I'd pay > $200 and only have 1080.




It's hard to say because it's subjective—some people swear by using multiple displays—but after switching to a single large display, I certainly enjoy using a single large display for everything.

I was tempted to go this route, but utlimately I was able to snag my 2x 27"s for cheaper than a 40". Also having tried a single 40" for about 2 seconds a long time ago @ MiRai's place I don't think I could get used to it.

[Slowplay]

From a systems performance standpoint, will there be a difference in running two 27s uhd at 1080p versus a 40 uhd 4k?

I am going to use the PC listed in first post, any recommendations? Looking to spend less than 1k for the monitor(s).

What are good response times less than 5ms?

And for the hz, 60hz ok?

[MiRai]

From a systems performance standpoint, will there be a difference in running two 27s uhd at 1080p versus a 40 uhd 4k?
Yes, 4K is four times as many pixels as 1080p, and requires more power to run.


I am going to use the PC listed in first post, any recommendations? Looking to spend less than 1k for the monitor(s).
All of my monitors have come direct from Korea through eBay sellers, which has plenty of risks involved, but so far it's been good to me. Unfortunately, without doing a bunch of research, I don't have any current recommendations.


What are good response times less than 5ms?
Those numbers generally mean very little, as there is no standard and manufacturers can practically put any number they want on there.


And for the hz, 60hz ok?
Again, subjective. Some people use 75/90/120/144Hz and then claim that they can never go back to using 60Hz. I've not used anything other than 60Hz, so I couldn't say.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

From a systems performance standpoint, will there be a difference in running two 27s uhd at 1080p versus a 40 uhd 4k?
I'll just chime in here and say that there is a difference even between a 4K monitor (8,294,400 pixels) and two 1440p monitors (7,372,800 pixels total), with the 4K being notably more observable load on my 980Ti 6GB card. I stuck with a couple of 32" 1440p displays which were the best performance with that GPU and a 6600K CPU. Your selected 2070 should be a lot more capable at 4k than mine, so there's that, though if you're wanting to do streaming and a bunch of other stuff while gaming, this might be worth some thought.

Also, do your research on motherboards before you pull the trigger if you're gonna use a M.2 NVME SSD (unless you plan to use one of the Intel PCI-E adapter boards). I've noted some people (me included) have had issues getting proper PCI lane and SSD write performance (probably related) out of the M.2 cards using on-motherboard connectors, even using two of them in RAID 0 (which exposed even more latent OS boot issues, don't get me started). I just gave up on it and went back to a couple of Samsung 840 Pro SATA SSDs, which gives me "close enough" performance at a cheaper price point and didn't mess with my PCI lane usability. Newer chipsets hopefully have resolved most of that but do your homework. ;)

[Slowplay]

Going to try this monitor, it has a 90 day no question return, if this doesn't work I can try the dual 27s.

LG 43UD79-B 43" Class Ultra HD 4K IPS Monitor


UHD [3840 x 2160] Resolution
NTSC 72% Color Gamut
HDCP 2.2 Compatible
60Hz Refresh Rate



Thanks for the info all!

[MadMilitia]

All my gaming is on my LG 1440p ultrawide. If a game doesn't support 3440 x 1440 I find mods that will do it.

Then I have a couple other monitors in 1080p for windows / apps and streaming services (Youtube / Twitch / etc).

Things can be sluggish if I'm 5 boxing retail and watching a stream. So I offload that work sometimes to a PS4.