Keyclone and window layout

[Maiden4Life]

Hi all,

First let me thank the dev of keyclone for making it possible for me to start multi-boxing. :)

I just started trying to 5-box this weekend and am loving it even though it is a challenge. One problem I am having is the layout of my windows using keyclone. My setup currently is like this (no screenies sorry, at work):




5-box on a single pc and single monitor.
Monitor is a 30" wide screen with resolution of 2560x1600
Using Keyclone I have 1 main window centered with a resolution of 1280x1024 and 4 "alt" windows, one in each corner of the screen, with a resolution of 800x600
Focus follows mouse is enabled
All WoW clients have "Windowed Mode" enabled in the WoW video settings.
If you do the math you will see that this results in the corners of my "main" window overlapping each of the 4 corner windows. This is fine for the windows on the left of the screen, but when I mouse over the windows on the right of the screen I get the following weirdness.




Mouse into the bottom right "alt" window, it gets focus
Right click on a corpse to loot it or NPC to talk to it.
Focus returns to the "main" window unless I move the mouse again in the right window.
This gets annoying as the focus keeps flipping back and forth and makes quest completion/looting tough. And very occasionally I will get a scenario where the mouse will not even be allowed back into the right window, it will automatically be teleported back to the top of the "main" window and I will have to /exit for that toon and relogin manually to fix it.

So I was hoping someone could help me out with this? Alternatively, anyone else 5-box on the same widescreen want to talk about their window layout?



Thanks.

[keyclone]

Hi Maiden and welcome to the forums!

hmmm.. overlapped windows.. hadn't tried that one. (at work, i cannot try the setup) i do know there is a blizzard weirdness upon button down... seems the mouse position gets reported in an odd way... pushing the cursor to a different location. (i've only noticed it with multiple screens) i wonder if it's happening with overlaps. hmmm...

i'll check it tonight and see what i can find out. for now, to reduce weirdness... uncheck the 'focus follows mouse' and that should help

[Maiden4Life]

Thanks Keyclone. Yeah I definitely thought it might have been something to do with the overlapping and so I temporarily unchecked the focus following option and the issue went away. But now I am not convinced that my layout is very optimal anyway as it makes looking to see the alts are all casting etc. tiring (eyes moving over the entire screen to each corner). This is why I was wondering if there is a common good widescreen 5-box layout.

Here is a question for you though Keyclone, do the maximizer sizes I specify have to be "regular resolutions" like 1280x1024 or can they be weird like 1000x1000 for example? Do I have to match the sizes from maximizer with the resolution I specify in the WoW video settings?

Thanks.

[keyclone]

technically... you can make a region any size you want (UNCHECK snap-to-grid).. BUT, you'd end up with weird aspect ratio issues

personally, i find it easier to stack the clones on the right or left... that way my eyes only go to one area.

let's say you want to stack them on the right... but you need to keep the aspect ratio the same... the problem is figuring out the size of the small ones and the big on. here is the math:

W == screen horizontal resolution
H == screen vertical resolution
cx = region width
cy = region height
N = number of wows total (small and large)

cy = H / (N - 1) <-- assuming 1 large region and the rest stacked

(W - cx) / H = cx / cy

(W - cx) = H * cx / cy

since cy = H / (N - 1)

(W - cx) = H * cx * (N - 1) / H
or
(W - cx) = cx * (N - 1)


which simplifies to:

W = N * cx

cx = W / N

so, if you want 1 large w/ 4 stack on 1280x1024 ...
cy == (1024/4) == 256
cx = 1280/5 == 256

so your small regions are all 256x256 and your big region is 1024 x 1024

give it a try and let me know how it goes. btw, you can enter the dimensions directly into the fields.. just don't put any spaces and separate numbers by a comma

[Maiden4Life]

Thanks for the info, I'll try it out tonight.

[Thedopefien]

The exact same thing is happening to me except that I am only 2 boxing and using a dual monitor set up, no overlap between windows. But like he said when I am scrolling over to control my alt for whatever reason it seems that the "main" screen keeps wanting to "come to the front" and the mouse will reset on top of the "main" window, it doesn't seem to be just a mouse issue either, it seems to do this when I press keys on the keyboard as well(when I'm moused over the alt window). Sometimes after it resets it won't allow the mouse to scroll over the "alt" window at all and it takes a reboot of wow to fix. needless to say its pretty annoying.

[keyclone]

turn off the 'focus follows mouse'.. wow has a bug where it will jump/reposition the mouse if you are in windowed mode.

just run a wow.. no keyclone... put it on your 2nd monitor (or anywhere to the right)... put a browser or something to the left of it...
start quickly clicking the wow window... and your browser will pop to the front.

that would be the wow bug.

and it focus follows mouse, when you click ... the cursor jumps... keyclone gets that.. and pushes focus to the new window..

i may have a work around. working on it...

[Maiden4Life]

Just revisiting this, I found that it very much reduced the chances of this happening if I didn't have any overlap and in fact left a little but of a gab between the windows (even a single pixel seemed to help). I also find it happens more often if I quickly go to a window and right click to loot/talk to npc. So if I just slow down a little and give it a sec to "catch its breath" before I right-click it very rarely happens.

In terms of fixing it when it does, I found that PiP seems to magically let it get fixed. For whatever reason if I hit the PiP key for the window that is borked, it will let the mouse into the window again although it thinks I have the right button held down. So a quick click of the right button again and it is all fixed.

Hope this helps,

Mark.

[keyclone]

hi mark. download the latest version, v1.8g ... let me know if you still have the issue

[Cottonmouth]

I am currently running version 1.8g and am having similar
problems with the mouse not wanting to move to my alt screen. I find it happens
when I use my mouse to control my alt movement and then release and go back to
my main control, then when I try to go back to my alt the mouse
"jumps" back to the center of my mains screen.



I have to do a /reloadui to fix the problem.

If there is a work around that would be great.

I all so have no idea what focus mouse does (was just told to have it clicked).

[keyclone]

the 'focus follows mouse' makes it so whne you mouse over your wow clone windows, they activate.. allowing you to single click and interact with the game. otherwise, you must click first.. then click again in order to interact

the problem seems to exist on the 2nd monitor.. i haven't had it happen on the primary monitor. the reason is that wow is doing something odd with the mouse as you click/drag it... at which point it appears to the left of the window you are in... and if there is another wow window in that location (there normally is)... that window will get focus... causing the problem. it is very annoying.. and will be fixed for v1.8h

[Maz]

the 'focus follows mouse' makes it so whne you mouse over your wow clone windows, they activate.. allowing you to single click and interact with the game. otherwise, you must click first.. then click again in order to interact
Aha! A light's just gone on in my head.

I have my main on my dektop and my four alts on the laptop. I take direct control of the alts for looting, quest hand-ins and corpse runs. I've been using focus follows mouse.

When I corpse run, I hold down the right mouse button and steer with the mouse. The cursor disappears but it's obviously still there as when I move the mouse around, my alts start running. Presumably, the invisible mouse is moving into the other windows and activating them. If I turn focus follows mouse off, this will presumably stop happening. I'll just need to click each window to get focus for looting/quest hand-ins/etc.

Does that sound right?

[StormClouds]

the 'focus follows mouse' makes it so whne you mouse over your wow clone windows, they activate.. allowing you to single click and interact with the game. otherwise, you must click first.. then click again in order to interact
Aha! A light's just gone on in my head.

I have my main on my dektop and my four alts on the laptop. I take direct control of the alts for looting, quest hand-ins and corpse runs. I've been using focus follows mouse.

When I corpse run, I hold down the right mouse button and steer with the mouse. The cursor disappears but it's obviously still there as when I move the mouse around, my alts start running. Presumably, the invisible mouse is moving into the other windows and activating them. If I turn focus follows mouse off, this will presumably stop happening. I'll just need to click each window to get focus for looting/quest hand-ins/etc.

Does that sound right?Yep

[keyclone]

a fix for this problem has been completed.

expect to see it in v1.8h