Patch 7.1.5

[JohnGabriel]

As usual the official patch notes are up the day before the patch goes live.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/20457825/patch-notes-world-of-warcraft-patch-7-1-5

I notice no changes to Prot Paladins

[valkry]

As a prot pally solo player, I find them to be incredibly well balanced at the moment. Nothing needs changing, one spec blizz has gotten right.

[Lyonheart]

There were changes on PTR...they either forgot to add them or they decided not to take them live. I hope the former. The PTR had a small nerf to blessed hammers and small buff to hold shield. ..leave my spinning holy hammers of awesomeness alone Bliz!

[JohnGabriel]

I cant find it in the patch notes anywhere, does anyone know if the secondary stat changes are in the patch?

[Ellay]

It looks like there is indeed a small nerf to the hammers.

Overall this has me second guessing if I should stick with Paladins or not, I've been working on another team but they seem to be getting slightly stronger!

[rapstar]

Barely even a nerf to prot pally IMO. Some nice retri buffs though for those able to fit them in. Shockadin nerf means they'll no longer be competitive w/ Ret for single target (arguably sensible).

[Ughmahedhurtz]

If I'm reading that right, pretty much everyone got buffed except for new PVP players?

[rapstar]

Blood seems to have gotten some survivability buffs (if needed?), but maybe lost damage, or at best broke even? I suspect a full DK team is now viable for M+ (if it wasn't already).

Brewmaster got some buffs, but I doubt they do enough damage yet to make them a viable mythic+ comp. Ring of peace change though seems ripe for cheesiness / OP. Wonder if there's any DR for it in PvE. Seems like almost a 5 x reset w/ a 4 dps + 1 tank team. Worth testing.

I can't make heads or tails from the Druid changes... Seems like damage buffs, but not much on the survivability front, so you still need a healer.

[mrdsp]

My HPally does pretty good damage, definitely keeps up with the Blood DK's (although he is 25-30 ilvl above them and considerably more artefact talents).

70% reduction (of damage vs spell power) on Holy Shock might make me turn him protection as he always dies pretty fast compared to the DK.

Don't know if I want to do another Artefact quest line! :/

[ebony]

warlocks affi side anyway got some nice buffs! the nulfs on Demo would still make them good single target/standing still.

BM hunters was buffed but nowhere ner what they need they will still be the lowest max burst dps you can get.

Boomkins where buffed a lot(aoe anyway) but still going to be Glass cannons.

disc are still in the same place they are now nothing really changed just a bit more pvp burst.

Rdruilds look around the same as now.

Ele shammys look like they got though the roof on buffs. should be good to see what there getting.

Rshams look like they be around the same the few buffs does not make up for the chain heal nelf.


thats kinda what am looking at the changes on the clasess am playing atm.

[Lance]

The catch up will be a huge help to me. My pallies are only level 4 research and I just got to 110 on my hunters tonight. Pretty good timing :).

[Ellay]

Tried out Ret paladin tonight, the Blessing of Kings is partly what made the team and was excited to have it's power increased, the only part they didn't note was it's only 1 cast per Paladin. It used to be 3, completely gimped it.
Using Divine storm the Rets did the exact same damage a prot did - at least in my current gear layout. Not worth it.

[rapstar]

Yeah I noticed that too. You can kings yourself or the tank, but not both... Damage is higher for me though. Word of Glory got a buff too, so maybe 1 prot, 4 ret is going to be viable, at least for fast farm.

[Lyonheart]

My Ret did 50k more dps than my prots on the world boss..but i had to heal him a lot and never once had to heal my prots ( direct healing i mean ). I just had one as ret to see how much of an increase they got. He has his third relic slot..hes only a few points behind his prot arti.

[Ellay]

Can you share what kind of dps your ret did, and what your prots are doing?
I was getting about 150k on each for boss fights. Trying to mix things up and try different strategies. I'm just not sure how to get their main dps ability to only go off when judgement is used. I think their rotation overall is messed up.

Had switched over to Enhancement and have been leveling them up but the changes appear to have reduced their dps slightly and their rotation has also gotten more difficult to pull off.

[JohnGabriel]

I know its not really enough time yet to tell, but here are logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/12

Hunters are dead last mythic raiding, all three specs.

For tanks, Prot paladin pulls out ahead
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/12#class=Non-Healers

Even the best tank is well below the worst DPS, doing half the DPS we may start having trouble with our all tank teams. If you change to show only normal or LFR logs, the ranks change a bit but tanks still do only half the DPS.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/12#class=Non-Healers&difficulty=1

[Lyonheart]

Can you share what kind of dps your ret did, and what your prots are doing?
I was getting about 150k on each for boss fights. Trying to mix things up and try different strategies. I'm just not sure how to get their main dps ability to only go off when judgement is used. I think their rotation overall is messed up.

Had switched over to Enhancement and have been leveling them up but the changes appear to have reduced their dps slightly and their rotation has also gotten more difficult to pull off.

My ret did 160k and my prots only did 110-120 tops that fight.. i have not done any other content yet..i will try a few mythics tonight and see what happens..im pretty sure my Prots were doing 160-200k on some fights before the patch.

[Ellay]

Looking at a boss fight, my prot had 172k dps and the rets were 125-150k. Gotta be doing something massively wrong.

[Lyonheart]

Looking at a boss fight, my prot had 172k dps and the rets were 125-150k. Gotta be doing something massively wrong.

Ok im going to try and post some pics. The world boss threw me off.. after that fight, and my low dps on my ret and prots, i thought we got nerfed into the ground....until I did a few normal mythics.

example of trash
1845

Glaid
1846

Oakheart
1847

Xav with potion, drums and wings..died in 42 seconds
1848

The toon that is doing the least dps on all the screenshots is the only one without Chain of Thrayn (http://www.wowhead.com/item=137086/chain-of-thrayn), the rest have it, and it just got buffed.. was almost usless before.. now its awesome!

I have all traits on my prots, and all traits minus the last one with 20 ranks on the rets.. they are all GS 860+

[Ellay]

That's pretty good dps when potions and drums are used. Do you have a rotation or just spam the abilities?

[Lyonheart]

That's pretty good dps when potions and drums are used. Do you have a rotation or just spam the abilities?

I use a two step spam in isboxer. 1st press sends button 1 to all, 2nd press sends shift+1 through 7 to all. I place my abilities on my hotbars in order of priority. I have all my long cooldown skills on separate hotkeys.

I have not given any thought to my stats on gear yet, i just use the highest item level. I never use flasks, I'm sure i have some items not enchanted, but most my stuff is enchanted, but with the cheaper versions.

[valkry]

I know its not really enough time yet to tell, but here are logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/12

Hunters are dead last mythic raiding, all three specs.

For tanks, Prot paladin pulls out ahead
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/12#class=Non-Healers

Even the best tank is well below the worst DPS, doing half the DPS we may start having trouble with our all tank teams. If you change to show only normal or LFR logs, the ranks change a bit but tanks still do only half the DPS.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/12#class=Non-Healers&difficulty=1
Did tanks get nerfed or did dps get buffed? Hopefully the latter...

[Lyonheart]

Did tanks get nerfed or did dps get buffed? Hopefully the latter...

Both for the most part. My DPS on both went way up. ( Paladins anyway ). Im going to run my DHs through a mythic tonight to see how the buffs effected them, Both specs got nice buffs.

[CMKCot]

Blood DKs are pretty awesome now (they were already), if you are used to tank rotating to spread damage from bosses (you should) then its as simple as leveling them.

once you make it past the 860 ilvl mark, they start to get pretty broken, and at 875+ they are just crazy, the DPS they can dish out is just unreal. easily bursting over 5+ mill with no CDs over the whole team compared to the meager 3m prot palas can do, and that's using their cds. and you can pull even bigger packs.

and if you are just plain lazy and don't feel like rotating tanks, you can spec into mark. it stacks... that's 15% of you max health on every swing by the boss. when you add that to a basic DPS rotation and all the absorbs and passive self healing, that means your tank is now immortal.

Affli looks like the new 5x DPS team to get, BM is nice and all but their self healing is laughable unless you get the healing pants. if things remain the same, by the end of this first tier affli will be able to do mythic + with the same ease hunters could do the old WoD Mythics.

and i see noone mentioned the BIGGEST change on this patch...


pvp world quests can reward BoA Honor Marks... that's HUGE if you are into Transmog. since the marks are BOA and get them on all chars, then you can trade and unlock the mog on a single char and get it on all characters.

just make sure you DON'T engage on pvp on the pvp areas... you risk geting ported/banned. (all pvp world quests can be completed without engaging on pvp.)

[Ellay]

Was also working on a Druid(Tank) 3x Enhance Shaman and Druid(Resto) team that felt decently strong but after the patch Shaman dps has taken a bit of a noticeable dip. Combined with the fact it's tough to find a team as strong as Prot Paladins with their heals, even a dedicated healer doesn't feel as strong.

Working through the different comps out there, still trying to find that hidden gem, or maybe it's been uncovered already.

[MadMilitia]

My prot war + 3*BM and MW seemed to be better than switching the resto shaman in. Not sure yet maybe it's the 20ilvl deficit talking or maybe MW is just way better a dedicated healer for multiboxing.

I do know a lot of the mechanics feel more anti-ranged than ever. Like covering over 3/4ths the room. Nothing as cheap as grimrail 2nd boss yet though.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

My 5-prot DPS went up pretty noticeably from around 110-140 to 160-180k as far as I can tell in tonight's world quest stuff. Not tried a solo boss yet.

[makubox]

Blood DKs are pretty awesome now (they were already), if you are used to tank rotating to spread damage from bosses (you
just make sure you DON'T engage on pvp on the pvp areas... you risk geting ported/banned. (all pvp world quests can be completed without engaging on pvp.)

I try to avoid PvP as much as possible anyway, but since when would it be bannable?

[Lyonheart]

I try to avoid PvP as much as possible anyway, but since when would it be bannable?


You wont be banned! i have done many of those quests, I only kill people when they engage me, but have killed plenty. Banning people for PvPing in a PvP area? lol ok

[Syferr]

Theres a boxer on my server that camps the GY everytime there is a pvp WQ up.

[JohnGabriel]

I do not remember what my DPS was prior to the patch, but I just downed Nythendra with my 5x pali tank team and it took much longer. It took 8 minutes and 36 seconds, my fastest time was 7 minutes 59 seconds.

DPS is down a noticeable amount.

[rapstar]

I'm liking ret ALOT atm. Stuns for days, DPS is great, Kings, Word of Glory, and a decent FoL w/ enough AP. Tank + 4 ret for farm, add a healer or go 5x tank for progression.

[Lyonheart]

I do not remember what my DPS was prior to the patch, but I just downed Nythendra with my 5x pali tank team and it took much longer. It took 8 minutes and 36 seconds, my fastest time was 7 minutes 59 seconds.

DPS is down a noticeable amount.

I am getting 50k+ more dps than i did before the patch


I'm liking ret ALOT atm. Stuns for days, DPS is great, Kings, Word of Glory, and a decent FoL w/ enough AP. Tank + 4 ret for farm, add a healer or go 5x tank for progression.


I have been doing this with my Paladins and my DH team. Both classes got nice buffs!

[Ellay]

I feel like I'm missing something massive about Paladins.. is it just a gear thing? at my Ilvl - and having lower haste - they end up doing less dps on trash, and barely more dps on boss fights.

[Lyonheart]

I feel like I'm missing something massive about Paladins.. is it just a gear thing? at my Ilvl - and having lower haste - they end up doing less dps on trash, and barely more dps on boss fights.

My guys are in the 860 range..with all traits on artifacts. How are you doing your dps rotation?

[Ellay]

Traits are a bit low.
Rotation is Spam Templar's Verdict on Press and Release, and then the other abilities to fire off on release.
Wake of Ashes is on a few second delayed release.