Enhancement Shaman

[Redbeard]

Hi guys,

My 5 pallies are almost to 110, and I am really enjoying them. I have been thinking about starting a 2nd group, and am interested in trying enhancement shamans.

Is anybody playing them now? Id probably try to do 1 dedicated tank, maybe a warrior, and then 4 enhance.

Appreciate any thoughts or experiences if anybody has any legion experience.

Thanks.

[ebony]

i did not get far with my ehna so. or though the new @player on aoe floor marking might make the healing rain kinda useful i did the artifact but they was feeling not so good if i had a few mobs on me.

[suicidesspyder]

I love my enhanced shaman. Im soloing atm but the possibilities with burst rainfall stuns is amazing. Use a dh as tank since ive seen my dh stays alive longer then any other tank. But typically in heroics and in mythics my shaman leads in dps.

[Redbeard]

Suicidespyder, do you mind sharing what rainfall ticks for at 110? Not much info about it on the webs and I dont have a high level shaman.

Thanks.

[suicidesspyder]

my rainfall at ilvl 853 ticks for anywhere between 30k to 70k on a crit

[Multibocks]

I play enhancement and I am wondering when did rainfall start stunning things?

[suicidesspyder]

really ive never seen that before thats kind of new and odd

[Xeneres]

I started a 5x enhancement shaman team a few days ago. They are 104-105 currently. I originally planned to run 4x enh and 1x blood as my dungeon comp but dropped it for my paladin and DK comp as I think that comp is more viable and easier to do dungeons with. In cata and early mop I ran 4x enhance and 1x blood and had very good success with it in dungeons. I loved the instant cast heals and blanket AoE heals. I think its much the same in its legion state.

My main focus is to have 5 herbalists and alchemists so I can fuel my DKs and paladins potion use and make a lot of gold at the same time. Shamans get the 100% movement speed from ghostwolf with the follower rehgar. You can herb while in ghostwolf form.

I was surprised at how powerful rainfall is. Even at 100 it was much higher than my paladins consecration, despite a 160 ilevel difference. If both healing surge and rainfall scale this well I may have to rethink my composition and try out leading from my paladin or one of my DKs. I'll at least try it out in dungeons. I'll have to run a few dungeons to complete my alchemy quests and order hall quests. I worry that their HP and squishy nature will not work as well in dungeons. Still they have the cherished AoE stun in dungeons on a short CD. I do find myself missing Arcane Torrent and grips I didn't realize how much I relied on them until I played my shaman.

Last night I was able to run Eye of Azahara @ 102 and 103 with nothing but my shamans! I believe lower level toons are a bit stronger because they scale better than a 110 team with lower ilevel gear this early in the expansion.

[Ellay]

Follow up on this as its intriguing.
Have you been able to run any dungeons with the enhancement shaman? a constant stream of 4x healing rain seems like it should keep them topped off consistently.
They are a bit squishier but they shouldn't be tanking anyways :P The revive skill is sort of similar to battle rez maybe? :P
Where do Paladins get the heal from consecration at?

I'd love for this type of team to work as I hold a special interest in my shamanites :)

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Where do Paladins get the heal from consecration at?
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=204054/consecrated-ground

level 90 talent. I have 4 of mine using that and one using Judgment of Light for the melee heals.

[Ellay]

It seems like the healing rain is way more effective than the consecrate with the insta heals also loaded in. Must be missing something..
The bubbles and other defensive cooldowns must bring advantage to the tank specs.

[JohnGabriel]

It seems like the healing rain is way more effective than the consecrate with the insta heals also loaded in. Must be missing something..
The bubbles and other defensive cooldowns must bring advantage to the tank specs.

The only downside to tanks right now is they nerfed our damage quite a bit. Going to be tough to do any really high end mythic+ at only half the DPS.


They should not have nerfed tanks to begin with. The DPS whined enough but DPS scales well with gear and they eventually catch up, but now tanks are behind.


If you can make it work with Shamans you'll have an easier time in mythics once your iLevel gets up into the 860 range.

[Lyonheart]

It seems like the healing rain is way more effective than the consecrate with the insta heals also loaded in. Must be missing something..
The bubbles and other defensive cooldowns must bring advantage to the tank specs.

I think its mostly the ability to take more damage AND do very good self healing ( prot pal and blood dk anyway ) also the dps is respectable. Im doing 180K single target on my prots..thats half what good dps do but the survivability makes up for it.

[Ellay]

Is the Nerf JohnGabriel is mentioning live, or is that on the PTR and it's coming? because I would be happy with 5x doing 180k dps single target, if regular dps does 360k.
What that ends up being is 5x180=900 vs 180+360x3=1260, overall only losing 25% damage and gaining so much survive.
If the discrepancy though is coming where the dps will end up being even worse, then may not be worth it.

[JohnGabriel]

Is the Nerf JohnGabriel is mentioning live, or is that on the PTR and it's coming? because I would be happy with 5x doing 180k dps single target, if regular dps does 360k.
What that ends up being is 5x180=900 vs 180+360x3=1260, overall only losing 25% damage and gaining so much survive.
If the discrepancy though is coming where the dps will end up being even worse, then may not be worth it.

The nerf is live and was shortly after the expansion released. We've been dealing with it for a couple weeks now.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

My paladin tanks are putting out nowhere near 180k DPS at ~840ish iLevel. It's closer to ~100k sustained unless there's a ton of trash being hit by all the AoE. I don't know about the guys doing mythics in 865+ gear, though.

[davidmage]

My paladin tanks are putting out nowhere near 180k DPS at ~840ish iLevel. It's closer to ~100k sustained unless there's a ton of trash being hit by all the AoE. I don't know about the guys doing mythics in 865+ gear, though.

Well I'm not 865+ but closing in. I'm probably doing closer to 100k rather than 180k. But I think much have to do with if you use Old war pots or not. Those will really increase your dps, and lower the duration of a boss fight, resulting in a bigger part of a boss fight being done during cools, and then a higher dps. Add drums to that and you have an insane burst.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Fair enough; I usually don't bother with consumables as I'm usually not pushing for progression. ;)

[davidmage]

Fair enough; I usually don't bother with consumables as I'm usually not pushing for progression. ;)

Feeling the same way. I use the cheap stuff, flask sometimes and prolonged power pots which I can easily support with just some little flower picking during my world questing. When you start drinking Old war pots the cost flies away, and you probably have to spend equal time farming flowers than actually playing dungeons :p

[Lyonheart]

My paladin tanks are putting out nowhere near 180k DPS at ~840ish iLevel. It's closer to ~100k sustained unless there's a ton of trash being hit by all the AoE. I don't know about the guys doing mythics in 865+ gear, though.



My guys are at 860ish il..all three traits. ill post my talents and stats when i get back home tonight.

I only use food and drums so far. I do have the cheaper enchants on all my enchantable gear as well.

[davidmage]

My guys are at 860ish il..all three traits. ill post my talents and stats when i get back home tonight.

I only use food and drums so far. I do have the cheaper enchants on all my enchantable gear as well.

Please do that :) Just looked at my latest video, and the overall dps on bosses was like 100-140k. I definitely have some improvements to do then for my dps.

Also do you use Gnome sequencer? I used it for a while but found that it did the same dps as my manual mashing, but with only less control of my abilitys. If you have a script that works good with prot palas it would be awesome if you could share it :)

[Lyonheart]

Please do that :) Just looked at my latest video, and the overall dps on bosses was like 100-140k. I definitely have some improvements to do then for my dps.

Also do you use Gnome sequencer? I used it for a while but found that it did the same dps as my manual mashing, but with only less control of my abilitys. If you have a script that works good with prot palas it would be awesome if you could share it :)

The 180k dps was on Xavious boss with drums.. never used any pots. I was watching my DPS lastnight on the WQ WB and i was in the 120-140 range as well with no drums being used... got tossed around a lot though. Whats the best boss to test single target dps on.. most bosses have you running around..fear you.. toss you around ect.. I need to test a PW type boss.. cant think of one though.