BOOBS JOB Probs

[Djarid]

Rob,

I had to revert to 1.8e last night, The JOB part of BOOBS seems to be throwing a wobbler.

I have been using a macro (assigned to the same key as the PIP hotkeys) which will change the focus on all my clones and also change party leader. This has been working fine in 1.8e (and still does)

in 1.8f however I sometimes end up with the wrong instance being in the main slot (wrong because the hotkey should be for a different instance ... eg my paladin should have the large window but my druid has decided to camp there instead). This seems to be a permanent change (for the duration of the session) of which hotkey belongs to which instance of wow.

Due to my overloading of functionality on these keys combined with my DNP linst it makes WOW unplayable once it goes wrong (i.e. I shouldn't wipe on trash 2 levels lower than me because I can't manage my targets properly ;) )

I am running 5 instances in a 1920x1200 screen with an aspect ration of 1.28 (380x300 for the clones)

[keyclone]

this weekend i am hoping to push an update ... and pip swap is on the list (along with a nice feature addon if i can get the final kinks worked out)

basically, i'm going to change how the swap works in an effort to increase performance. and also reduce the amount of work pip needs to do.

here is a diagram of the situation and proposed change... comments?

http://solidice.com/keyclone/screencaps/pip_swap_order_04mar2008a.png

[Djarid]

just to clarify (I think I fried my brain trying to work it out ;) )

1. a is active and you press b, 1 and 2 swap
2. a is active and you press c, 3 moves to a, 1 moves to c and 2 moves to b - all good so far ;)
3. d is active window and you press e, d and e (4 and 5) swap.
4. a is active window and you press e, 4 moves to a, 3 moves to c and 1 moves to e ?

ok I think I get that, we are shuffling the unfocused windows to keep them in the correct positions

in the proposed system the unfocused windows will swap with the active window and remain where they end up....
1. will each instance have an absolute hotkey?
2. Can we have a reset function to resort the windows?

cheers

[Maxion]

Making the windows be out of order after extensive swapping will totally mess up my system and my idea of where each character is. Please don't make this change. (or at least make it optional in the options)

[keyclone]

well.. the original window that is associated with a region, will always come to the focused window when you hit the associated hotkey. (each region CURRENTLY has its own hotkey, btw)

so.. you totally shuffle around... and have 5 in the a window... hitting the hotkey for a will bring 1 into that region.
but i think i understand how crazy it would get.

any better suggestions on how to shuffle the windows around .. are most welcome

(and yes, i was thinking a 'get me back to square one' hotkey would be nice)

[mbxmaster]

Actually, what I would EXPECT to work PiP like is:

I have 5 regions (or however many you want).

Region 1 has the hotkey (1) and is marked as "primary region".
Region 2 has the hotkey (2) and is marked as "secondary region".
Region 3 has the hotkey (3) and is marked as "secondary region".
Region 4 has the hotkey (4) and is marked as "secondary region".
Region 5 has the hotkey (5) and is marked as "secondary region".

If I press (1) it looks like this:
2 3
1
4 5

If I press (2) it looks like this:
1 3
2
4 5

If I press (3) it looks like this:
2 1
3
4 5

If I press (4) it looks like this:
2 3
4
1 5

If I press (5) it looks like this:
2 3
5
4 1


So... whatever you press (1-5) goes to the primary display and swaps with (1), pressing it several times will NOT change anything...

Do I make sense?

Everything else will just mess up things.....

Regards

Hamu

[keyclone]

yes Hamu, that's the way it works now. try fitting in the extra bit of shuffling other windows while the main is shuffled.
swap 1 and 2
swap 2 and 4
go to 3rd screen.... swap 3 and 5
now, go back to primary... swap 3

[Gallo]

Frankly, I don't care where the other windows are as long as my "focused" one is in front of me.

atm though, I can't really utilitize this feature. Even on my Q6600 system, pressing F1 to change /focus and PiP make the screen lag for 5-10 seconds... and that does me no good in AV when my main dies. Keep on truckin Rob, we appreciate it :)

[Djarid]

That sounds nasty, how are your installs configured? Parse points? separate installs? separate disks?

@Rob, I too don't care about position for the most part. Could you throw up a window overlay with the region ID for a second after swap and one demand (maybe an identify hotkey?)

[Gallo]

That sounds nasty, how are your installs configured? Parse points? separate installs? separate disks?

@Rob, I too don't care about position for the most part. Could you throw up a window overlay with the region ID for a second after swap and one demand (maybe an identify hotkey?)I started out using 5 folders of WoW on 1 disk. The load times were horrendous. I switched to running 1 Folder of WoW and I'm pretty good now. I never felt a need to try the symbolic links. Should I give that a go? How long does it normally take for your screen to transition?

[Djarid]

I get just over a second for the 1st transition each session then well below 1 sec for subsequent PiP swaps.

I have an Athlon X2 4600+ 2.8gb Ram (bloody mobo) and a Radeon X1950XT it ain't exactly cutting edge ;)
off this I run the following sessions
1x 1520x1200
4x 380x300
on a 24" LCD

[Gallo]

How do you set up your WoW installations? I wonder if its my resolution that slows things up.

[Zite83]

Gallo, do you use multiple monitors or just one? I use two monitors and my swaps or horrible, though it doesn't bug me too much, I only use it when writing macros.

[Zuri]

My swaps seem to vary. Some times they are < 1 second sometimes 10 seconds. I use a Q6600, 4 GB ram and dual 8800GTs (not SLId) on Vista 64. If you want to add any logging to KeyClone I could comment the bad swaps in the log file if it helps?

[Djarid]

OK I did some testing last night.

System. Athon X2 4600+
4Gb Ram (stupid motherboard allows 2.8Gb)
Radeon X1950XT (512Mb) - 24" monitor 1920x1200
Radeon HD2400 Pro - 19" CRT + 17" LCD

I have my WoWs all running on the 24" in the following setup 1x 1520x1200 on the left and 4x 380x200 stacked vertically on the right.
I am running Keyclone 1.8e because 1.8f seems to shift around the hotkey for instances and my macro for leader ends up not being the focused instance.

Screen Layout
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So when I first swap 1 & 2 it take about 1 - 2 seconds. Swapping back takes ~ 0.2 secs
After the warm up phase (i do a full sequence swap as it does seem to cache something

Swapping 1 - any = 0.2 secs
Swapping 2 - 3 takes ~0.8 secs, is the time to swap any of the small windows with another small window

I think this is due to the background sorting of windows as swapping 2 and 3 will have to swap 2 and 1 as well so that 1 ends up in the 3 position.

[keyclone]

hmph... well, about 2 weeks ago i was implementing a new feature and came across some weirdness. since then, i have been doing a bug crawl.

the weirdness was around the mouse-map and maximizer configuration. i have shaken out a few.. and the maximizer editor works 100% better.. i still have to figure out the weirdness around mouse-map. (seems that when wow is being clicked on, i don't always get the button events... thanks microsoft)

i also added a couple of nice-to-haves i think you'll enjoy. if you find anything you think needs to be changed, please drop it on me. currently, i am NOT going to change the order of the pip swap... although i will be changing how (largest moves first)

any delay on pip swap is strictly a wow issue. other then lightening the load on the graphics card by resizing the big size, i don't have much more i can do

thanks for the info,

Rob

[Djarid]

BTW I am back on 1.8f on Vista 64 and the probs I had on XP 32 have disappeared... was there a secret fix or is it just an issue with my XP?

weird... just thought I would share :)

BTW even faster PiP swaps now... max 0.1 secs I reckon... first time shows a small 380x300 window in the top left corner before it is resized but subsequent swaps are to fast to notice