DPS issue with my hunters

[WoW06]

Hello folk

I create this topic because i have a DPS issue with my hunters team. They are average 680 ilvl and around 16k dps.
According Noxxic website, i should be around 40k dps.

Which macros do you use and which isboxer configuration you recommend ?

Thanks you a lot

[JohnGabriel]

Just a quick note, you wont likely get 40k until you're in the 700+ ilevel range. At 680 iLevel you might get 16k by yourself but should be 25k in raid all buffed.

Are you MM or BM? I can post my macros, at 705+ iLevel I am doing 40k DPS.

[WoW06]

Thanks you for your answer.

One of my hunter is 702 ilvl and do 22k dps.
I'm MM but i can play BM if i can do better dps.

Yes, i'm interested by your macros :) Thanks

[Wubsie]

TBH I always found that even the "realistic" numbers on any DPS rankings sites are not really representative of what most players should expect to get out of their character, let alone a multiboxed character, where by default optimal play on all characters is even more rare.

My current hunter setup does nowhere near the numbers stated on that site. At 701 ilvl (no legendurpies) I can maintain 50k on a Dungeoneer's Training Dummy and about 37k on a Raider's Training Dummy. Running MM Lone Wolf, tested with just the 5% stat buff (7 million damage done sample size).

Might just be that I suck at creating rotations, but I really doubt I could tweak this to suddenly get 20k more sustained single target DPS.

[WoW06]

Yes that's why i really want macros of JohnGabriel to check what i'm doing wrong and why i only have 22k dps with 702 ilvl.

[JohnGabriel]

I was in LFR once and somebody pulled too much and I had 115k DPS, we wiped but appears my AOE is a nuclear bomb. Overall I am consistent top 5 when dualboxing hunters (only take 2 at a time). Some people have 50k+ and sorry I cant help you get that.

This is probably the guy you want to help with your MM macros,
http://www.dual-boxing.com/content/180-Davidmage-s-Hunter-Team-Videos

Here are my BM macros. These are prior to moving them into isBoxer for pro setup but they are exactly like this.

Basically this is 5 keybinds and you'd "button-mash" for your dps. Of course IsBoxer does the button-mash for you from a single DPS key.

keybind 1, Misdirection

/cast [@pet,dead] revive pet; [nopet] call pet 1
/stopmacro [flying][noharm][channeling]
/castsequence [@pet,help,exists] reset=target/16 misdirection, null
/startattack
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()



keybind 2, Combat 1


/stopmacro [flying][noharm][channeling]
/castsequence [combat] reset=9/target Kill Command, Mend Pet, null
/cast [combat] Bestial Wrath
/cast [combat] Intimidation
/startattack
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()



Keybind 3, Combat 2


/stopmacro [flying][noharm][channeling]
/cast Kill Shot
/cast War Stomp
/startattack
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()



Keybind 4, Combat 3


/stopmacro [flying][noharm][channeling]
/castsequence reset=90 dire beast, glaive toss, glaive toss, focus fire
/startattack
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()



Keybind 5, Combat 4


/stopmacro [flying][noharm][channeling]
/castsequence reset=combat/15 arcane shot, mend pet, cobra shot, cobra shot, kill command, arcane shot, cobra shot, cobra shot, kill command
/startattack
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()



Also have keybinds for:
Multishot
Garrison Ability
traps
etc

[WoW06]

Thanks you a lot JohnGabriel! :)

I will try your BM macros tomorrow :)

[JohnGabriel]

I'll mention I only get 40k+ out of my hunters. My warlock and shaman come close though.

[CMKCot]

i run 5x MM on mythic dungeons and LFR, i can do about 50k sustained on raids, could do more, but usually if i don't switch to kill adds no one does. and usually amount to about 60%+ of all raid damage. (ilvl 720 average)
On mythic dungeons i can burst 110k+ on all characters, and i don't even have ring, again this as MM. but i don't use lone wolf, so after the burst DPS goes down to about 66k ish.

nothing survives that burst on mythics, so its not really an issue.

anyway, i don't use any DPS macros... for MM its easy enough just to do a regular rotation. if i had Tier bonus things would get a bit complicated, but LFR tier is garbage.

i would suggest you try doing a regular rotation and practice on dummies with MM.


as for BM, its not easy to macro DPS... you will waste stacks of Focus fire. either because you have to trigger it early, or because you have to wait on it till more than one character has 5 stacks.

on legion i might have to switch from doing proper rotations to just spamming... seeing as all specs and classes have horrible RNG rotations.


edit: one thing i didn't see you mention is your pets, do you have all buffs that matter?

[Wubsie]

anyway, i don't use any DPS macros... for MM its easy enough just to do a regular rotation. if i had Tier bonus things would get a bit complicated, but LFR tier is garbage.

i would suggest you try doing a regular rotation and practice on dummies with MM.

While I agree that controlling the toons yourself instead of relying on macros will lead to more efficiency and thus higher output, I feel I should point out that that is not really an option when running mixed groups of characters, which is where these macro setups are generally utilized.

[davidmage]

Hm I had missed this thread.
As Wubsie is saying, not having to use macros to manage your team is a luxury for teams that aren't mixed. However by doing so we will be able to have more control and push each individual dps to the max by reducing the idle time to a minimum.

Optimizing the rotation for a team of MM hunters in WoD works quite well. It will be a bit troublesome if some but not all characters have the 4-set instant aimed bonus. So easiest is if none or all characters have it. Regardless of that, here is how I manage my rotation:

Chimaera Shot
(6-8 seconds left to Chimaera) All hunters have more than 35 Focus: Aimed
(6-8 seconds left to Chimaera) Any hunter have less than 35 focus: Aimed-->Steady*
(1-3 seconds left to Chimaera)** All hunters have more than 80 focus: Aimed
(1-2 seconds left to Chimaera)** Any hunter have less than 80 focus: Steady
(Time to chimaera is less than cast time of steady) All hunters have more than 35 focus: Just wait for Chimaera
(Time to chimaera is less than cast time of steady) Any hunter have less than 35 focus: You sir have failed

*This means clicking Steady shot immediately after Aimed shot several times in a row, like this:
1ms: Aimed
2ms: Steady
201ms: Aimed
202ms: Steady
401ms: Aimed
402ms: Steady
etc. (This is the same principle as only clicking for example Aimed, many times quick to ensure that all characters regardless of cycle will cast the selected ability eventually)
Doing this will successfully make the hunters with no focus cast steady, and the ones with focus cast aimed. This will normalize any large differences in the focus pools for all the hunters.

**The length of this phase (1-3s) will vary on current conditions. For example if one does not have the 4-set bonus you may need as much as 3 seconds to ensure that most of the hunters will have had time to start and finish the aimed before going onto the Chimera. Compared with a 4-set hunter on Rapid and Heroism, then it may even take less than a second. Steady has same principle but not affected by set bonus.

Furthermore during the (6-8s) phase you can choose to cast steady even if all hunters have over 35 focus. Just make sure that you don't do that and focus cap to many hunters. Saving up focus can be useful if a need for burst is coming, so you just can burn many aimeds consecutively.

Summarized: Faceroll aimed and steady, the more the better. The most important thing is to not do anything that will force you to delay the Chimaera, like wasting your last cast before Chimaera with an Aimed which stole the last focus. Chimaera is God, and even if you think you can squeeze in an extra aimed before, any delay on Chimaera will impact your dps.