2.4 theorycrafting

[Devile]

Wake up guys! PTR is out, lets talk about 2.4 :D I didn't spend much time with the patch notes, just a quick glance, but looks very promising. Seems like Legacy of Nightmares rings are THE best option and will open a good amount of builds. I sure it will get nerfed, but for now, the set is doing insane damage. Monks with WoL are criting for over 70b:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP4vu5UASoE&feature=youtu.be

GR70 in 3mins solo? Nerf on the way.

Seen Wizards with Firebirds doing huge damage as well. I know, PTR just started and things will change in the next weeks, still there are very interesting options here.

[Shodokan]

Philo has been streaming 4 mara/4 shadow and clearing 70s in around 4 mins with 2 people with FnR. So theres a lot of tuning that is necessary unless they plan on just letting people go crazy and go for super high rift numbers. With decent gear it looks like most classes can do 4-5 min 70s solo.

Those rings are absolutely silly though, but it does allow for diversity once they get balanced.

[Devile]

DatModz is streaming a Blessed Shield spec, doing GR87 ... those rings will get nerfed on the next iteration for sure. Hopefully they will nerf it just enough so they compete with 6 piece sets.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNAQ98n4T6w

[Devile]

Didn't pay much attention to the LoN builds since it was clear the rings were going to get nerfed. Not sure if they did it already, but read the post about the upcoming nerf to 100% on the PTR. Still a strong option, but not sure if they will be strong enough to push GRs.

So far I'm liking the new Firebird's set. Wizards are a strong option for S5. 3x Wizards + support Barb looks like a great combo.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xYorR0scwU

[Devile]

A few DH builds I'm looking into:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP2Qd1gwDMI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRzO1_vir5s

Looking forward to the LoN nerf to see which builds survive. Also wanna see how good the new Invoker set is, as well as the Akkhan's. I think Condemn Crusaders will be me 2.4 T10 farming build.

[Shodokan]

A few DH builds I'm looking into:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP2Qd1gwDMI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRzO1_vir5s

Looking forward to the LoN nerf to see which builds survive. Also wanna see how good the new Invoker set is, as well as the Akkhan's. I think Condemn Crusaders will be me 2.4 T10 farming build.

The monk t10 speed farming build with LoN looks absolutely retarded though, even post nerf numbers.

It seems like every DH build will be worth playing now, with nats actually falling behind everything else.

Almost every class has silly power creep, and it also seems that thorns in general is just beyond bugged.

HoTA barbs might also be really strong with LoN as it should outperform IK set, even with the damage multiplier hugely reduced.

Firebirds looks really interesting but not sure how well it'd be boxed as its not really a speed farming spec.

Why do you say condemn build will be strong for t10 in 2.4?

[Devile]

Why do you say condemn build will be strong for t10 in 2.4?

Because:


New Akkan's set (6 piece set bonus = 450% damage)
New Blade of Prophecy (100% Condemn Damage)
New Frydehr's Wrath (200% Condemn Damage)
Cubed new Akkhan's Addendum flail (AC = Prophet + Embodiment of Power runes) so u go with Firestarter for more Miranae Procs or straight Elite damage with The Furnance.
New Endless Walk set + CoE.
Cube ORotZ and have 3-4 laws up permanently or close to permanent.

Condemn hits pretty hard now, at least for T10, it should be more than enough.

Take a look at this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qJTwEnigVY

Not the best choice for gems or gameplay, but u can see clearly how he is 1 shooting elites at GR45 and the RG goes down in like 5 secs or so with paragon 645. Imagine 4 Crusaders properly geared with 2-4 laws moving at full speed?

I prefer Condemn Crusaders over Barbs cause they don't cause much visual lag, it feels a lot smoother and the AoE is ok. Same goes with Tempest Rush monks tho I haven't checked how good is TR in 2.4. TR needed Sweeping Wind to get acceptable AoE, but that caused visual lag.

[Devile]

This Crusader spec looks fun and prolly ideal for Bounties:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsrZMt8l2cs

Need to try the new Jade set to see if Manajuma + Jade is a better option.

[Devile]

S5 started today on the PTR and ppl already doing GR78 with Crusaders after the LoN nerf.

[Shodokan]

The 11/24 changes make demon hunters absurd for damage... 3,000% damage bonus from mara set now with bomb. Increases to UE damage as well (almost 3100% with perfect disc gear).

Nerf to firebirds.

What build is being played for crusaders?

[Perrigrin]

It's looking like a invoker based thorns build sits at the top right now - That brings my question for next season:

I tend to play same class at first, to help gearing a "main" - This season I wanted to go crusader, but since the reward is invoker and that seem to be top dog, I was wondering if I'm correct in thinking that multiple thorns saders would stack horribly? Or is all the thorns damage projected, or are you completely relying on one main char to be hit all the time?

[Devile]

I really wanna try this for nonseason:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLErZeY5oHc

Love lazy builds :D

As for S5, I think I'll go with 4x Marauder DHs. They are looking very good. The rest of classes are going up and down on PTR. DHs look balanced and I'll just play for the additional stash space and the rewards. Then I'll go back to non season and try different things. Thorns Crusader looks OP but they will clearly nerf it more. No idea if they will stack ... i guess that will be the case.

LoN has added quite some diversity to the game but they will either nerf it or buff 6 piece sets cause right now its outperforming by a LOT. Not quite sure what class I'll play on non season. Wizards look good too, already cleared 108 but I'm sure its a bug/exploit or something wrong. WW Barbs are gone :(. WDs need a buff but are great for T10 at least. Monks are okish with a single build. I love the idea of 4x Thorns Crusaders but not sure yet.

[Cmoidudu]

Work is still in progress in the PTR... with a lot of nerfs and buffs... so, I'm not sure yet.

But, as silly as it gets, I could go with any class (I'll probably keep using Wizards tho) and have that ring set with a lot of damage buffs according to the number of ancient items equiped, than get an Aquila Cuirass (probably a no-brainer in 2.4 anyway), and maybe use signature spells with Hydras, the rest being damage buffs (Magic Weapon, Familiar, Armor)...

[Cmoidudu]

Maybe something like this...

1x CC/DPS Wizard with Slow Time (dedicated hat is missing from this update of DIII planner) : http://ptr.d3planner.com/922961978
2x DPS Wizards : http://ptr.d3planner.com/475404513
1x Buff/DPS Witch Doctor : http://ptr.d3planner.com/428092216

This is pretty much the same as my current team, just with massive damage reduction and massive damage increase.

[Devile]

Are you sure your DPS Wizards will actually DPS? Doesn't look like it will scale much, not mention the lack of AoE damage. Sure Hydras will shoot faster and LoN will help with the damage, but there are no more multiplier besides LoN. Usually LoN builds scale very good because they rely on 1-2 items like Deathwish + Mantle of Channeling + other proc items that help boosting your damage by a lot. Also, did they change Depth Diggers? I remember the multiplier was for melee classes only.

[Cmoidudu]

(...) Also, did they change Depth Diggers? I remember the multiplier was for melee classes only. Really ? I didn't know that. That's too bad, because simulations show that with a "reasonable" 7 ancient items (I already have ancient Serpent Sparkers), therefore +700% damage with LoN...

- Magic Missile / Glacial Spike (you are right pointing that I didn't do enough aoe with that former template) reaches 950M DPS...
- Frost Hydra peaks to 1.3B DPS... Yes, B stands for billion :)

And I get a TON of damage reduction, too. Well, assuming I have more than 90% ressource. Hence the use of signature spells... Damage reduction should be 50% form Aquila Cuirass, 28% from LoN and 7 ancients, 17% from "Blur" (D3 planner calculates 70% overall)... And then come All Resistances, which are very high due to Intelligence.

But, once again, things might change and turn this template into a total cr@p ;)

[Devile]

When Depth Diggers new legendary affix was added it worked for all classes but the they changed it so it only worked for melee classes. I think they changed the description and added "that generate resource" so it only worked for melee classes. WD and Wizard primary skills don't generate resources.

http://diablo.blizzpro.com/2014/07/10/patch-2-1-0-ptr-patch-notes-update/

That's when they changed it. Not sure if they changed their minds again. PTR changes almost every week now.

[Devile]

For S5 I'm 99% sure I'll go with DHs. Since there will not be any season only legendaries, dont think it will be worth playing it besides getting the stash space and a few achievements (banners, pets, sigils, etc.). Then i'll be back for non season and not sure what I'll end up playing. Whatever gets me to 80+ :D Maybe a mixed party, but I'll try to avoid that and go with single class.

[Cmoidudu]

http://diablo.blizzpro.com/2014/07/10/patch-2-1-0-ptr-patch-notes-update/
Thanks for that (even if it ruined my day).

I always hated DH because they are so weak... But in 2.4, with that massive damage reduction that we are going to have, maybe they will be viable at last.

[Devile]

Yes, they had issues with survivability in the past but with the new items and set changes, that shouldn't be a problem. Also u can spam skills easier and with the HUGE AoE + burst damage, they are amazing for general farming. Goblins are nice but can be a pain with some classes and if u multiply that times 4, killing and then looting a Goblin Shrine can take FOREVER and in many cases some goblins will escape. With DHs that rarely happens and they die in the same spot. A decent 4x DH party will clear the whole map fast and make your life easy since nothing can really escape from u without the need of chasing. UE Multishot is very good and the new M6 looks very promising as well.

PS: Sorry for ruining your day :D

[Cmoidudu]

Ok so maybe I'll try this :

3x DPS Wizards with Arcane Torrent for no Arcane Power cost, 2x Arcane Hydra, and Meteor / Star Pact once per second (massive aoe damage)
http://ptr.d3planner.com/336018866

1x WD for 50%+ buff and some dps

The main advantage is that I already have most of the valuable parts (ancient Serpent Sparkers, ancient Nilfur's Boots), I don't need a lot of 2.4 items, and there are some armor slots (gloves, legs, head, shoulders) where I can just wear random ancient items with good stats.

I have seen this template on Twitch (just with Disintegrate instead of Arcane Torrent), and Meteor / Star Pact really hits like a truck for no power cost. I just have to increase arcane power as much as possible...

- From off-hand,
- From Astral Presence passive,
- From Energy Armor / Energy Tap,
- and... what else ?

Let's hope that the auto-casted Arcane spell will be Meteor, and not Hydra. Ah well if so, I'll just use Frost Hydras or something.

[Devile]

I'm sorry, I think I will ruin your day again:


From the patch notes:
"Fixed an issue that caused Meteor - Star Pact to gain the damage bonus for spending Arcane Power when automatically cast by Tal Rasha's (2) Set Bonus, or Etched Sigil"

It was a huge wizard nerf a couple PTR iterations ago. Don't really think Star Pact will be a good choice, but test it and see if it's good or not. Last I checked, nobody is using it anymore.

U may do more damage with Energy Twister + The Twisted Sword instead of Hydra + Serpent Sparker with DMO. At least on the current PTR iteration, wizard meta is not using LoN at all. DMO is what the top50 leaderboards are using so far (just a couple Vyr's) after the last reset. It's Disintegrate + Energy Twister or Arcane Orb + Explosive Blast. LoN doesn't come close to DMO right now. Well, Firebird's 6 piece was disabled cause of the bug/exploit, so we don't know who well it will do against the latest DMO changes.

I like LoN concept, but I don't think it will be competitive. They will eventually nerf it so it the best for T10 speed runs (let ppl play weird builds and have fun) and prolly low 70s, but not for pushing high GRs. Its was outperforming 6 piece sets for Crusader and WD. WDs LoN is not working for pets right now, but Blizzard already confirmed its a bug, so we may see Carnevil back on top with LoN, but I wouldn't bet my money on that being the case for 2.4 live.

They clearly want us to play 6 piece sets. What I would like to know is if the 4p DMO bonus stacks with multiple wizards:


DMO 4p: After casting Slow Time, applying, or refreshing Debilitate, you take 50% reduced damage for [10-15] seconds. Debilitated enemies take [1500-3000]% weapon damage per second. Allies become fortified while standing in a Slow Time field and gain 25% damage reduction.

If 4x Wizards cast Slow Time, will they get 50% DR + 3x 25% DR??? If that's the case, I think I've found my high GR party :D

[Cmoidudu]

Well, sadly I have to agree... from the last PTR videos, damage from Wizards looks like what I'm doing now (I can see that from the time needed to kill an elite pack in Torment X), the noticeable difference is that the Wizards barely get hit because of the Aquila Cuirass bonus.

I'll re-think this when we'll have a more "definitive" version of the patch.

[Cmoidudu]

There's that "Drahque" guy who's going to multibox S5, and probably stream it. That will be intersting :)

http://www.twitch.tv/drahque/profile

[Devile]

Take a look at his spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sdWUjBqrnXc4nMTvc9G0onHCL1WY6XsF-avLsYOrmOM/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true#

There are very interesting simulations for d3planner. DMO wizard can do INSANE dps. Sure most simulations are done with Paragon 2000, 90 gems and all ancient gear with 450+ stats, but that can be easily changed. I never used that feature from d3planner but seems very useful. Makes it a lot easier to decide what's best for the party.

[Zwizm]

I'm leaning towards Crusaders this season. Haven't really given them a shot before but I think I'll get them to GR80 first then dabble with some DMO/Arcane Orb/Area Damage Wizards. With Crusaders on the PTR I was able to finish a 78 with an average of 870 Para, 70-71 gems, zero +Strength from the new Cube recipe and about 900k to 1.2m sheet damage....far from optimal gear.

The only thing really stopping the build is the LAG. The LoN based Heaven's Fury build I was running is super-duper laggy. At GR 73+ any group of mobs would bring the action to a halt. After getting stuck at GR74 trying to kill everything, I decided I would run run from elite pack to elite pack for all of my progression which worked all the way up to 78 last night. I'll also give the bombardment build a run after looking at that spreadsheet!

[Cmoidudu]

Take a look at his spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sdWUjBqrnXc4nMTvc9G0onHCL1WY6XsF-avLsYOrmOM/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true#

Yes I studied this already, and while some of the templates are a very good pointer, others are simply impossible to achieve... like the LoN/poney/thorns setup, which will require all ancient stuff with natural perfect stats AND THEN you have to reforge for thorns. Since I'd need 3 ou 4 sets of those, I'm not doing this.

So at the moment I'll stick to a team with 3xDH (Marauder set) and 1xWD (support), farm with it for new items because it will be very easy, then 3 days after season 5 starts, some dude will already be Paragon 1000+ and I'll see what works and what doesn't.

And I'm still afraid that LoN will be nerfed at the last minute, like +50% damage per ancient piece instead of +100%...

[Cmoidudu]

Right now the 2 templates (from that spreadsheet) that have my attention are :

http://ptr.d3planner.com/222556809
http://ptr.d3planner.com/882367074

Of course it needs to be re-worked with "human" stats, i.e. not 2k Paragon, not +450 stat on each piece, not perfect rolls, etc. But still the farming time to gather the pieces seems reasonable.

And for us multiboxers, Krem's bracers are mandatory for any melee setup, either on equip or on cube.

Also it seems that nobody thought of cubing "The Cloak of the Garwulf" in the cube for DH/Marauder templates. It really fits well with "Zoey's secret" belt, plus simulation shows that it adds non-negligeable dps.

[puny]

Hey guys,

I will only play S5 to get the stash space, and I am struggling to decide between:
Option 1: 1x barb and 3x sader
and
Option 2: 1x barb and 3x dh

I really like having the movement speed boost from a barb

Option 1 is good because you get the invoker set which is useful for multiboxing + the wings of angels law is nice to have, but the AOE of the crusaders is not so big.

Option 2 is good because of the dmg spread of the demon hunters, but I think that the shadow set is not so great for multiboxing (lacking toughness vs the marauder set)

I am not sure if wizards will work well for the quick run in S5 for the stash space because I dont think that the firebird set is going to be a nice starting set for multiboxing. (but the DMO wizards will be nice once they are well geared)



For non season greater rifting I will probably run:
1x support speed barb
1x support wd
1x support sader
1x chakram marauder dh

[Devile]

I'm leaning towards Crusaders this season. Haven't really given them a shot before but I think I'll get them to GR80 first then dabble with some DMO/Arcane Orb/Area Damage Wizards. With Crusaders on the PTR I was able to finish a 78 with an average of 870 Para, 70-71 gems, zero +Strength from the new Cube recipe and about 900k to 1.2m sheet damage....far from optimal gear.

The only thing really stopping the build is the LAG. The LoN based Heaven's Fury build I was running is super-duper laggy. At GR 73+ any group of mobs would bring the action to a halt. After getting stuck at GR74 trying to kill everything, I decided I would run run from elite pack to elite pack for all of my progression which worked all the way up to 78 last night. I'll also give the bombardment build a run after looking at that spreadsheet!

Not trying ANYTHING that causes lag. Been there, done that. Had more than enough with HT WDs on last season and not trying that shit ever again. Crusaders look good, but won't try them for seasons. Honestly, I just wanna get my stash space. Once I get Conqueror, I'm back to non season. There isn't really other incentive to play seasons. I'll give Crusaders a try then. For S5, DHs will get to Conqueror the fastest IMO. Ranged classes are amazingly easy to multibox compared to melee.


Yes I studied this already, and while some of the templates are a very good pointer, others are simply impossible to achieve... like the LoN/poney/thorns setup, which will require all ancient stuff with natural perfect stats AND THEN you have to reforge for thorns. Since I'd need 3 ou 4 sets of those, I'm not doing this.

So at the moment I'll stick to a team with 3xDH (Marauder set) and 1xWD (support), farm with it for new items because it will be very easy, then 3 days after season 5 starts, some dude will already be Paragon 1000+ and I'll see what works and what doesn't.

And I'm still afraid that LoN will be nerfed at the last minute, like +50% damage per ancient piece instead of +100%...

Yeah, the LoN stuff is unreal. Maybe something to look up for nonseason and eventually get it. I'm planning on maybe going 4x M6 or 3x M6 + 1 UE. Since I'll only go for the stash space, I see no point on trying a mixed party for S5.


Right now the 2 templates (from that spreadsheet) that have my attention are :

http://ptr.d3planner.com/222556809
http://ptr.d3planner.com/882367074

Of course it needs to be re-worked with "human" stats, i.e. not 2k Paragon, not +450 stat on each piece, not perfect rolls, etc. But still the farming time to gather the pieces seems reasonable.

And for us multiboxers, Krem's bracers are mandatory for any melee setup, either on equip or on cube.

Also it seems that nobody thought of cubing "The Cloak of the Garwulf" in the cube for DH/Marauder templates. It really fits well with "Zoey's secret" belt, plus simulation shows that it adds non-negligeable dps.

I changed the DMO template for something more realistic with Paragon 800, rank 60 gems and just weapon/source Ancient. 3x DMO wizards + support Barb. Unless something is broken on d3planner, this is prolly THE best option in terms of pure DPS:

http://ptr.d3planner.com/453951862

If the numbers are correct, they will nerf the shit out of that sword very soon. No other class comes remotely close to Wizards in pure DPS. U can prolly throw a Crusader or a WD for more support and still do great. Did the same exercise with other classes and the numbers are WAY WAY below DMO ET wizard. And the items are not that hard to get. So far this is my best option for pushing non season GR.

[Cmoidudu]

I ran the D3 Character Planner simulation with that wizard setup a couple of days ago too, and while the number will still be very high, you'll only get a part of this, since I don't see how you can cast 3 to 4 Twisters per second as in the simulation ;)

[Devile]

No idea how d3planner does that simulation but it should consider your APS, otherwise it makes no sense. But even then, if its doing something wrong with the APS, its the same problem for all classes and there's a reason why DMO wizards were way higher in the PTR leaderboards than any other class. In a few weeks we will see how things go.

[Devile]

Did again the simulation changing a few things that didn't make sense and still the numbers are very high compared to other classes:

http://www.d3planner.com/453951862

I dunno, take a look at it and let me know if there's something wrong. It looks fine to me now, with the right APS. Just the numbers are VERY high compared to other classes. With this, a party of 3 DMO Wizards + Support Barb should do insane damage.

2nd best would be Roland Crusader with Sweep Attack with 2.2T:

http://www.d3planner.com/315841342

3rd place is for M6 Chrakram DH with 1.4T damage:

http://www.d3planner.com/883202279

I tried to simulate Invoker Crusader but I dont think d3planner is working fine with Thorns ... it's not considering bombardment damage from the belt and that's a lot of damage missing in the simulation:

http://www.d3planner.com/130454876

Also noticed that d3planner doesn't consider any cooldown reduce items like ORotZ ring or Akarat's Awakening shield. It's just a straight simulation based on skills cooldown (considering sheet CDR only). Builds that rely on this items to reduce cooldowns will be off by quite some damage.

Didn't bother to simulate any of the LoN builds. That will take forever to gear.

[Shodokan]

Did again the simulation changing a few things that didn't make sense and still the numbers are very high compared to other classes:

http://www.d3planner.com/453951862

I dunno, take a look at it and let me know if there's something wrong. It looks fine to me now, with the right APS. Just the numbers are VERY high compared to other classes. With this, a party of 3 DMO Wizards + Support Barb should do insane damage.

2nd best would be Roland Crusader with Sweep Attack with 2.2T:

http://www.d3planner.com/315841342

3rd place is for M6 Chrakram DH with 1.4T damage:

http://www.d3planner.com/883202279

I tried to simulate Invoker Crusader but I dont think d3planner is working fine with Thorns ... it's not considering bombardment damage from the belt and that's a lot of damage missing in the simulation:

http://www.d3planner.com/130454876

Also noticed that d3planner doesn't consider any cooldown reduce items like ORotZ ring or Akarat's Awakening shield. It's just a straight simulation based on skills cooldown (considering sheet CDR only). Builds that rely on this items to reduce cooldowns will be off by quite some damage.

Didn't bother to simulate any of the LoN builds. That will take forever to gear.

Is the simulation calculating properly? 9 trillion DPS seems so utterly broken that it will get nerfed week 1, especially if the second best is 2.2 trillion.

Also darque's group planner sims at 32 trillion. http://www.d3planner.com/968930983 and 37 trillion http://www.d3planner.com/882367074

[Devile]

Yeah, with rank 90 gems, all ancient with 450 stats, it goes over 30 trillion. DMO is not the problem, the new Twisted Sword seems to be. Energy Twister damage increased 150% for each ET u have out? With high APS, u can have a lot of those flying around + the 2000% damage buff from DMO, it scales like crazy.

Maybe it's just D3planner messing up some calculations. Soon enough we will be able to tell if its the game or the web :D

[Cmoidudu]

3rd place is for M6 Chrakram DH with 1.4T damage:

http://www.d3planner.com/883202279

In this template you never hit with a resource-spending attack so the zodiac ring in the cube won't work as intended. Chakram is considered as resource-generating attack. Therefore Vengeance will only be up ~33% of time, etc.

[Devile]

In this template you never hit with a resource-spending attack so the zodiac ring in the cube won't work as intended. Chakram is considered as resource-generating attack. Therefore Vengeance will only be up ~33% of time, etc.

U are absolutely right. d3planner is working fine with ORotZ. Need to test it ingame tho, see if it actually doesn't proc ORotZ but it makes sense that it doesn't. Added RRoG + Leoric Crown and damage went up 50b. Tho I don't think d3planner works with Akarat's Awakening shield which reduces cooldown based on successful blocks.

PS: Something very interesting to test is if Sentry Guardian Turrets stack the damage reduction. I know your own Turrents don't stack, but read a long time ago the ones from your party stack. If that's the case, that would be very nice for a multiboxing setup. Also, u can go with an Elusive Ring in cube and Shadow Power instead MotD or even Vengeance for a huge toughness boost.

[Kicksome]

So what's the verdict for s5 teams? I'm thinking 3xWizards and a Barb?

[Shodokan]

So what's the verdict for s5 teams? I'm thinking 3xWizards and a Barb?

That looks to be the strongest class stacking group. Crusaders also look really strong for stacking with their LoN setup.

[Devile]

DHs, Crusaders and Wizards are the best choices. Wizards are looking stronger, but if the numbers are right, they could be nerfed. We will see in a few weeks. LoN builds are amazing, but they will take quite a while to gear. For non season I'm thinking on trying a DMO ET Wizard, LoN WD (dart or pets), support WD and support Barb. 2 dps, 2 supports.

[Cmoidudu]

I have been running 3X Helltooth WDs and 1x buff WD last 2 days, and at Torment 50 the Rift Guardian goes down under 2 seconds. Seriously.

This is because all the pets are hitting a single target with increased damage... However white packs are going down much slower, since the pets tend to split on all targets (and some are just sitting ducks).

But this is probably not the setup I'll play for level 70+ GRs...

[Cmoidudu]

Oh, and Drahque is Multiboxing 4x Crusaders in S5... http://www.twitch.tv/drahque

[Shodokan]

Oh, and Drahque is Multiboxing 4x Crusaders in S5... http://www.twitch.tv/drahque
Probably only because he got kicked from his group. They are doing something shady because they didn't want it streamed.

LoN bombardment could be good for multi-boxing though. Or the shield throw stuff.

[Cmoidudu]

Probably only because he got kicked from his group. They are doing something shady because they didn't want it streamed.
Yeah some regular "big" streaming dudes are offline at the beginning of each season, and then 4 days after they broadcast and they are Paragon 1k with full ancient stuff...

[Cmoidudu]

So, as a first look, every serious team is going for :

- DPS (DH or Wiz)
- DPS (DH or Wiz)
- Support Barb
- Support WD

I'm not sure what share of support/DPS the Barb and WD are. WDs seems to be spreading the Locust Swarm but has no pet so no chill and +15% damage from dogs for example. In need to investigate that.

I might try this on non-season and then maybe a 4x Crusader team on season, all that I really need is that extra chest tab, so I have to have every character to be able to solo GR 60...

[Shodokan]

So, as a first look, every serious team is going for :

- DPS (DH or Wiz)
- DPS (DH or Wiz)
- Support Barb
- Support WD

I'm not sure what share of support/DPS the Barb and WD are. WDs seems to be spreading the Locust Swarm but has no pet so no chill and +15% damage from dogs for example. In need to investigate that.

I might try this on non-season and then maybe a 4x Crusader team on season, all that I really need is that extra chest tab, so I have to have every character to be able to solo GR 60...

My solo DH (played with friends last night) 1 shots GR 48 bosses. So I can understand why.

[Ellay]

Blargalarg... looks like I might be giving this another go. D3 always brings you back momentarily for a good 1-2 months.