New pc to 10 box but still not good enough?? :O

[tanknspanker]

Hi!

Just bought myself some new hardware for 10 boxing but still lagging in alterac valley when on a boss fight ...

Setup
32g ram (3ghz)
GTX980 Titanium
I7 5820K (6core) with watercooling
asus x99-pro motherboard
SSD 512GB

Is there anyone who can tell me why this isnt enough? :O

greetingz!
tank

[jinkobi]

Your PC is a beast and I'd think could easily handle the load. What's your CPU/Memory usage when all 10 are loaded up? If it isn't maxed out then it has to be your internet connection bottlenecking.

Have you tried lowering your slaves graphics or anything? What have all you tried?

[tanknspanker]

what I did was lowering all video settings ..
I sometimes, sometimes get a peak on the cpu .. but rarely.
I'm currently using Wi-Fi , which might not be the best option xD!
forgot to mention that in OP.

THX alot jinkobi for your reply!

[tanknspanker]

left tast manager open now and in bossfight the CPU goes to 90 % sometimes 100 :/

[Ughmahedhurtz]

WiFi? Even AC is going to introduce odd network latency artifacts. Just no. Friends don't let friends multibox over wifi. ;)

Also, define "laggy." Like, controls stuttering or just low FPS or lag-spikes?

[MiRai]

The only thing you can do to drop your CPU usage is to either turn down your video settings (resolution included), or your FPS, but you can only drop those so far before you don't really see any gains. Also, if you're streaming while multiboxing, then some of your CPU usage is going directly to encoding the stream.

[tanknspanker]

WiFi? Even AC is going to introduce odd network latency artifacts. Just no. Friends don't let friends multibox over wifi. ;)

Also, define "laggy." Like, controls stuttering or just low FPS or lag-spikes?

Low FPS is the one ... so toons get out of control, and are not responding to anything anymore.


The only thing you can do to drop your CPU usage is to either turn down your video settings (resolution included), or your FPS, but you can only drop those so far before you don't really see any gains. Also, if you're streaming while multiboxing, then some of your CPU usage is going directly to encoding the stream.

I already thought that streaming might cause Issues so I didn't do that anymore.
Video settings are already low on all the slaves , how can I configure lower resolution pretty please? or is this in game?

greetingz! and thx for the responds!

[JohnGabriel]

Hi!

Just bought myself some new hardware for 10 boxing but still lagging in alterac valley when on a boss fight ...

Setup
32g ram (3ghz)
GTX980 Titanium
I7 5820K (6core) with watercooling
asus x99-pro motherboard
SSD 512GB

Is there anyone who can tell me why this isnt enough? :O

greetingz!
tank

I don't have anything to add as to why, just know it should not be that way. Your system is very similar to mine, and mine does great 10-boxing (first thing I tried). I have 32 GB RAM, i7 4790K, GTX980.

[tanknspanker]

I don't have anything to add as to why, just know it should not be that way. Your system is very similar to mine, and mine does great 10-boxing (first thing I tried). I have 32 GB RAM, i7 4790K, GTX980.

perhaps its my 6core who only has 3.3 ghz and your I7 has 4ghz :-/

How should I setup the cpu strategy in isboxer?
round robin, game decides, all for all?

[mbox_bob]

For most games you are best to use All cores for all games. This leaves it up to Windows to decide who needs what, and there is a good 30 years (real years, not this man year tripe) of design gone into the Windows scheduler, so any decision it makes about CPU time slice allocation is going to be better than anything you can come up with (you have to remember it also has a shitload more information available to it during execution, rather than some fixed decision you make up front). Anything you choose will always end up being limiting. On the very odd occasion a game might require you to limit the available cores, but this usually only applies to older games. The only reason I could think of for you to limit it these days would be if you were to allocate specific cores for stream encoding, and remove those from the games usage. In that case, then all the remaining cores should be allocated to all the games.

Other than that, others have already posted a few of these.
Don't use Wifi. Streaming will take a bunch of your bandwidth already, let alone the games. If you are using any kind of QOS, then chances are your games are suffering as video tends to take precedence.
Make sure you are using High Power settings in your power profile.
Don't set CPU affinity unless the above streaming setup applies (even then it is probably a bad idea).
Don't run all the games on high quality. Set the background ones to lower quality, disable buffering, and set background FPS lower.
Run some monitoring to see what is actually eating the CPU. Saying it goes to 100% is next to useless. Its a bit like saying my garage is full because there is stuff in it, so my car wont fit. If that stuff happens to be empty boxes, then I could easily remove them, or squash them flat. You on the other hand need to know WHAT is eating your CPU, in order to determine whether it is games/streaming/or something else that can be disabled/removed. I.e. you need to know where to focus, and knowing what software is using what resources helps you with that.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

there is a good 30 years (real years, not this man year tripe) of design gone into the Windows scheduler, so any decision it makes about CPU time slice allocation is going to be better than anything you can come up with (you have to remember it also has a shitload more information available to it during execution, rather than some fixed decision you make up front).All true but very misleading. In practice, this is excellent advice for normal users or someone running a single app that spawns tons of threads. For multiboxers that run lots of simultaneous apps, it relies greatly on the CPU model for how it hands things off and spreads the load around, sometimes resulting in spikes on single cores/TJs which actually can manifest as input/playback stutter.

Personally, I have had much, much better luck not letting ISBoxer think for me. For example, the best performance on my i7 systems for 5-boxing looks like this:

Slot 1 = cores 0, 1, 2, 3
Slot 2 = cores 0, 1, 2, 3
Slot 3 = cores 4, 5, 6, 7
Slot 4 = cores 4, 5, 6, 7
slot 5 = cores 2, 3, 4, 5
dxNothing (slot 6) = cores 0, 1, 6, 7

Any other "automatic" strategery I've used via the wizard results in one or two clients (usually the same client in the initial charset launch order) suffering lag spikes and generally poor performance. I cannot imagine that 10-boxing would be any better.

*NOTE* You'll notice above that my setup basically agrees with mbox_bob's assertion that letting the OS handle things is generally good. The problem is letting the OS handle ALL instances; if you break them up a little, it drastically reduces the negative effects of spike-loading single cores until the system has time to move things around, which may or may (in my experience) never actually happen. ;)

[JohnGabriel]

The makers of Dimmdrive also sell a program called CPUCores, on sale now for $17.99

Seems IsBoxer already does that and more, so you wont need both.

http://i.imgur.com/0wynNVb.gif

[MiRai]

The makers of Dimmdrive also sell a program called CPUCores, on sale now for $17.99
I think $18 is a bit much for something you can easily set yourself in the Task Manager, and I'll bet there's a free alternative out there for anyone who didn't want to deal with a few clicks. I'm also pretty sure that you can create a batch file to start a program up to use only a specific set of cores if it was really all that necessary to do so.

Either way, that software is from the "author" of Pwnboxer. The same guy who was cast out of this community for lying to, and deceiving others, and then forced to start his own because he was not wanted here (by many people). The same "community" which now lies in ruin with spam posts and people asking for their money back because he still sells the software even though it no longer works (according to posts on his forum). His credibility—especially on /r/PCMasterRace—is gone because of the BS he has spewed out to everyone in order to sell them something they don't need (*cough*DIMMDrive*cough*). So, if you'd like to spend your money on his software, then by all means, go for it. :)

And now back to the topic at hand...

[tanknspanker]

Hi!
just got home from work!

Changed cpu strategy to all games select all cores, changed fps to 40/20, looked at the startup services and other services that might have been unnecisary (or how you spell it)
looks like at this pointit got solved ... I'm in warspear now and cpu usage used to be 40 % here, now only 20-25 %

Might be able to stream after all and rise the video settings a bit :D!


A very very thank you is at its place I think! so Thank you very much for the info and reply's!

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Changed cpu strategy to all games select all cores, changed fps to 40/20, looked at the startup services and other services that might have been unnecisary (or how you spell it)
looks like at this pointit got solved ... I'm in warspear now and cpu usage used to be 40 % here, now only 20-25 %
Outstanding! Of course, vids or it didn't happen. ;)

[JohnGabriel]

Hi!
just got home from work!

Changed cpu strategy to all games select all cores, changed fps to 40/20, looked at the startup services and other services that might have been unnecisary (or how you spell it)
looks like at this pointit got solved ... I'm in warspear now and cpu usage used to be 40 % here, now only 20-25 %

Might be able to stream after all and rise the video settings a bit :D!


A very very thank you is at its place I think! so Thank you very much for the info and reply's!

Glad you have it working for you. A quick comment, if I drop background FPS below 30 I start to notice slaves losing follow often.

[mbox_bob]

All true but very misleading. In practice, this is excellent advice for normal users or someone running a single app that spawns tons of threads.
If you show me a computer that is ONLY running a single application with tons of threads, then I'll show you something running on MSDOS4.0 (tons of threads is subjective to the era though).

For the record, on "idle" my computer runs ~100 processes (applications, even if I didn't dbl click an icon to start it) with over 1800 threads. On average I get ~140 processes with ~2800 threads. This is without running any games at all. If I spawn a few game instances, then the numbers increase further.

Setting processor (read: core) affinity limits the available cores that an application's threads can execute on. If those cores happen to be busy servicing some other thing with a higher priority (like sound/network packets/clock ticks etc), or one or more of those cores are Parked then any thread that has been limited to that core (or group) will potentially miss it's quantum (time slice of CPU time), or be delayed while the core is activated. If you set processor affinity on an application then all of that applications threads will be limited to those cores (processor means cores remember - the name processor affinity has not yet caught up with reality).
This is the reason that I recommend you do not set processor affinity.
I find it to be rare, even in an Enterprise installation, to be necessary to set processor affinity (although funnily enough with certain virtual setups it is needed despite it not being so if those same services ran on a shared physical server).

If you were experiencing issues that required you to set processor affinity to resolve (that are not because the game is old enough to have not been compiled with flags to set multi-core aware, or is has race conditions under multicore so is flags as Uniprocessor), and thus limit the potential group of cores that a specific game instance could run on, then it is more than likely this was due to cores being Parked or in a sleep state to conserve electricity. Reduced energy usage is one of the design goals of CPU's these days, and the power management policy of client Windows (i.e. non server sku) aggressively enforces this. When a core is Parked, it is removed from the available pool for threads to execute on, until such time as the Power management policy awakens that core again due to high utilization of the active cores.
Yes, this sucks, because it means your multicore processor, may not be actively using all it's available cores, because the power management policy is shutting several of them down. The Windows scheduler does not awaken Parked cores, it will only schedule threads to run on already active cores, so any Parked cores are reducing your potential computation power (and your electricity bill by a piddling few cents per day). The power management policy in turn requires a sustained spike in demand of resources (i.e. use of the active cores) before it will begrudgingly re-activate a Parked core, and then it will aggressively aim to Park it again at the earliest opportunity. This is obviously a counter strategy to the desire of having your multicore processor available to handle a spike in demand as soon as it occurs, and with all available cores.

You can see if you have cores parking in the Windows Resource Manager. It shows cores in a Parked status. You might also notice the clockspeed changing too, which it is want to do depending on the selected power profile.

In order to combat the core Parking, you can ensure Windows is set to a High Power profile, and in your BIOS/UEFI, make sure that the C6 CPU sleep state is disabled. You may also benefit from disabling the C1E, C3 and C State Support.
If you don't want to change the BIOS/UEFI, you may be able to do this via the powercfg utility too as outlined on this site (https://bitsum.com/parkcontrol/). The registry entry that is mentioned near the end of the post also works well and makes this item available in the Power profile settings. ***I am not affiliated, nor have I verified the utility offered there; I have used the registry entry to make the setting available in the Power profile and that works just fine.

All that said, if you have set affinity, and this in turn forced activity on cores that would normally have Parked or moved to a sleep state, then fair enough, it is what works for you, and is a valid strategy, but it is essentially a workaround to an issue that can be resolved by setting the correct power management policy.
I believe my recommendation still stands over and above any fixed decision you make up front, and if you removed the competing priorities of the OS, by disabling the core Parking feature you'd have a far better computing experience overall without needing to mess around and find the optimal core allocation strategy.


*Note: If using a laptop, then disabling the Cx Sleep States will reduce battery runtime.




edit: Made a couple of minor clarifications after going back and refreshing my memory on the Thread scheduling and Core Parking strategies in Windows (i.e. re-read the appropriate parts of Windows Internals).

[tanknspanker]

Glad you have it working for you. A quick comment, if I drop background FPS below 30 I start to notice slaves losing follow often.

Strange..
I've put mine on 20 fps en no follow lost..
Just slaves stop following cause of obstacels.. xD

[Ughmahedhurtz]

then it is more than likely this was due to cores being Parked or in a sleep state to conserve electricity. Reduced energy usage is one of the design goals of CPU's these days, and the power management policy of client Windows (i.e. non server sku) aggressively enforces this. When a core is Parked, it is removed from the available pool for threads to execute on, until such time as the Power management policy awakens that core again due to high utilization of the active cores.
Yes, this sucks, because it means your multicore processor, may not be actively using all it's available cores, because the power management policy is shutting several of them down. The Windows scheduler does not awaken Parked cores, it will only schedule threads to run on already active cores, so any Parked cores are reducing your potential computation power (and your electricity bill by a piddling few cents per day). The power management policy in turn requires a sustained spike in demand of resources (i.e. use of the active cores) before it will begrudgingly re-activate a Parked core, and then it will aggressively aim to Park it again at the earliest opportunity. This is obviously a counter strategy to the desire of having your multicore processor available to handle a spike in demand as soon as it occurs, and with all available cores.

You can see if you have cores parking in the Windows Resource Manager. It shows cores in a Parked status. You might also notice the clockspeed changing too, which it is want to do depending on the selected power profile.

In order to combat the core Parking, you can ensure Windows is set to a High Power profile, and in your BIOS/UEFI, make sure that the C6 CPU sleep state is disabled. You may also benefit from disabling the C1E, C3 and C State Support.
If you don't want to change the BIOS/UEFI, you may be able to do this via the powercfg utility too as outlined on this site (https://bitsum.com/parkcontrol/). The registry entry that is mentioned near the end of the post also works well and makes this item available in the Power profile settings. ***I am not affiliated, nor have I verified the utility offered there; I have used the registry entry to make the setting available in the Power profile and that works just fine.

All that said, if you have set affinity, and this in turn forced activity on cores that would normally have Parked or moved to a sleep state, then fair enough, it is what works for you, and is a valid strategy, but it is essentially a workaround to an issue that can be resolved by setting the correct power management policy.
I believe my recommendation still stands over and above any fixed decision you make up front, and if you removed the competing priorities of the OS, by disabling the core Parking feature you'd have a far better computing experience overall without needing to mess around and find the optimal core allocation strategy.


*Note: If using a laptop, then disabling the Cx Sleep States will reduce battery runtime.




edit: Made a couple of minor clarifications after going back and refreshing my memory on the Thread scheduling and Core Parking strategies in Windows (i.e. re-read the appropriate parts of Windows Internals).

That, good sir, is an excellent point. I know I go in and try to disable all of the variable power/clock management where possible when setting up my gaming machines (I disable all of the C-states in BIOS if the option is exposed) to prevent this but it's possible I somehow ended up with it re-enabled again. And frankly, it's not something I usually keep an eye on as it isn't something I've ever had "spontaneously" change on me.

[tanknspanker]

Outstanding! Of course, vids or it didn't happen. ;)

you could always follow my stream as this isnt a problem anymore!
Www.twitch.tv/kstar161991 ;-)

[tanknspanker]

hello!
I have returned with the same problem.
When is this happening: Pretty much everytime I defend in alterac valley on the first boss.
Frames drop to 6-3 FPS ..
I have been searching on the isboxer page of what I might do to prevent this.
Sadly it still keeps going.

I have used the OHM-program to monitor things.
I really cannot believe that my CPU is the bottleneck of my problem however it seems to be the problem.

I pasted every thing right here: http://justpaste.it/ongl and I was hoping if someone might confirm this, and what I might do to improve my gameplay.

Thx in advance!
tanknspanker

[MiRai]

Can you use a different paste site? Like pastebin.com (http://www.pastebin.com)? Or something else that is going to retain the carriage returns upon pasting? It's quite difficult to read anything when it's one giant jumble of letters, numbers, and symbols.

[mbox_bob]

It does seem to indicate your CPU is really busy, but then, if you are 10 boxing and streaming it likely would be.
It probably doesn't help that 4 of the cores are showing running a current value of 1200MHz! Try setting your power profile so the minimum CPU is 100% as outlined http://www.isboxer.com/wiki/HOWTO:Disable_CPU_Throttling_in_Windows

On another note. Have you monitored the running processes to see what they are doing?
You can use something like perfmon to monitor all the processes on your PC for user/privileged/total CPU time. Then see if there are any processes chewing up CPU that you can shutdown, make sure that none of the remaining processes are exceeding 10-15% of total time in the privileged time (actually this on is subjective on the application itself, but it is more of a general rule) because this would mean it is busy managing resources rather than doing the processing to make your game faster.

You might also consider using a capture card (some fancy setups even use a separate streaming PC) if you don't have one, as this will offload a bunch of tasks that are used for capturing/converting/compressing your video stream from your CPU.

[tanknspanker]

Can you use a different paste site? Like pastebin.com (http://www.pastebin.com)? Or something else that is going to retain the carriage returns upon pasting? It's quite difficult to read anything when it's one giant jumble of letters, numbers, and symbols.

here you go :)
http://pastebin.com/1FPpLz5e

The fight was not so intense here but still the FPS dropped and lost the fight cause of this.. well maybe not 'cause of this but still I could've wiped more ally *ss*s .

Greetingz!

[MiRai]

here you go :)
http://pastebin.com/1FPpLz5e

The fight was not so intense here but still the FPS dropped and lost the fight cause of this.. well maybe not 'cause of this but still I could've wiped more ally *ss*s .

Greetingz!
Much better, thanks, but as bob stated, your CPU is being completely maxed out. I don't know why some of the cores show such low values, but it could be an error in reporting. /shrug Perhaps it is the power profile, but I find it odd that it wouldn't wake the cores up when so heavily tasked.

[tanknspanker]

I do not stream anymore as this affects my cpu usage.
I will try to modify some stuff latet in the evening
Thx for the reply's already!


It does seem to indicate your CPU is really busy, but then, if you are 10 boxing and streaming it likely would be.
It probably doesn't help that 4 of the cores are showing running a current value of 1200MHz! Try setting your power profile so the minimum CPU is 100%

This was already the case in the power profile. :-/
However when watching the Hardware monitor, the 4 cores you mention that are on 1200MHz are actually scaling from 1200 to 4000 MHz ..

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On another note. Have you monitored the running processes to see what they are doing?
You can use something like perfmon to monitor all the processes on your PC for user/privileged/total CPU time. Then see if there are any processes chewing up CPU that you can shutdown, make sure that none of the remaining processes are exceeding 10-15% of total time in the privileged time (actually this on is subjective on the application itself, but it is more of a general rule) because this would mean it is busy managing resources rather than doing the processing to make your game faster.

Do I have to do this while I'm playing WoW or when windows rebooted?

edit: I have found an overview of the running processes on idle when nothing is opened.
CPU usage is at 0%.

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This might sound foolish of me to ask this, but would this have anything to do with drivers or windows 10 ?

I installed all drivers trough windows update untill everything was installed.

[MiRai]

We've pretty much already covered this earlier in the thread... If you're bottlenecking you hardware then you can:



Lower your resolution
Lower your fore/background FPS
Lower your video settings
Adjust your CPU Strategy within ISBoxer


These are all the main factors which affect performance. You can try to reset/redo any of these as they may have been automatically adjusted without your knowledge (like in-game video settings), but other than that, you can also shut down some game clients to see if the performance improves. If it does, then it's clear that whatever settings, resolution, framerate, CPU strategy you're using with 10 clients, is overloading your machine in its current configuration.

[zenga]

Just adding: if you use windows 10 and chrome and have a twitch stream open (even your own), it kills your fps completely. I have really high-end hardware and my cpu load is 70-80% with just chrome+twitch open and 1 wow client (I can have like 20 edge streams open w/o any impact for the record). Reason why I mention this is that while streaming some people have their own broadcast playing in the twitch dashboard. If that is the case you might want to check that first.

[tanknspanker]

We've pretty much already covered this earlier in the thread... If you're bottlenecking you hardware then you can:



Lower your resolution
Lower your fore/background FPS
Lower your video settings
Adjust your CPU Strategy within ISBoxer


These are all the main factors which affect performance. You can try to reset/redo any of these as they may have been automatically adjusted without your knowledge (like in-game video settings), but other than that, you can also shut down some game clients to see if the performance improves. If it does, then it's clear that whatever settings, resolution, framerate, CPU strategy you're using with 10 clients, is overloading your machine in its current configuration.

In game I cannot change the resolution. there is only 1 option which is enabled.
FPS has been lowered to 40/15 on all toons
video settings are at the lowest you can get
I'll play around with the CPU Strategy's ..

however if this might not work, what would you recommend for CPU that I should purchase?

I really appreciate all the input everyone has been giving!

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Just adding: if you use windows 10 and chrome and have a twitch stream open (even your own), it kills your fps completely. I have really high-end hardware and my cpu load is 70-80% with just chrome+twitch open and 1 wow client (I can have like 20 edge streams open w/o any impact for the record). Reason why I mention this is that while streaming some people have their own broadcast playing in the twitch dashboard. If that is the case you might want to check that first.
Yeah, Chrome is not hardware-friendly when watching any kind of video or even parked on a static web page with a lot of divs. It's high-school-attention-whore levels of resource consumption. "Oh, you have 32GB of RAM? Cool! Here, let me grab about 4GB for myself, you know, Just In Case(tm)." For example, my firefox has 25 tabs open here at work and has been up since yesterday morning's driver update reboot; it's sitting at ~870MB allocated to the process. I just launched Chrome (SRWare Iron actually) and copied all 25 of my tabs over to it (20 of those are just static Redmine bug web pages) ; it's already at ~2.3GB and climbing. And we won't even talk about how Chrome spikes our GPU/CPU temps here at work on PCs (Win10 and Win7) and even worse on the Macbook Pro units. :/

[tanknspanker]

I have lowered resolution, seems to be doing fine now, however the graphics look shit now xD!

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Don't forget about the RenderScale setting. What I used for nerfing the followers while maxing out the main was:

Follower:
/console renderscale 0.3

Lead:
/console renderscale 1

This makes the terrain/buildings/chars look like minecraft on the followers but the UI elements don't change.

[EDIT] Just be aware that this may induce a half-second to 1 second delay when swapping leads as the WoW engine catches up.

[MiRai]

Don't forget about the RenderScale setting. What I used for nerfing the followers while maxing out the main was:

Follower:
/console renderscale 0.3

Lead:
/console renderscale 1

This makes the terrain/buildings/chars look like minecraft on the followers but the UI elements don't change.

[EDIT] Just be aware that this may induce a half-second to 1 second delay when swapping leads as the WoW engine catches up.
That's a good call... I keep forgetting about that setting. With his system, he could even try something a bit higher like 0.5 or 0.6 which might help reduce the swap time. /shrug

[tanknspanker]

would a new processor be the solution for my problem?
Yesterday all was good, but today I seems that it has returned..
I was thinking of this processor: - Intel® Core i7-5960X 3,0 GHz (3,5 GHz Turbo Boost)


greetings

[Ughmahedhurtz]

If it was working yesterday and not today, your problem is environmental (i.e. some process in your environment is running today that wasn't yesterday, etc.). Find out what changed and you'll have your answer. I hate these kinds of problems as they're difficult to diagnose.

[tanknspanker]

However.
There seems to be a new tool that creates lag.. there actually is a new tool.. someone is already banned for it.
Maybe alot of people use it..
I hope this is the issue...

To answer on Ughmahedhurtz:
I would prefer to run on normal resolution..
So if i would purchase the cpu i mentioned, would this resolve the problem?

Greetz

Tanknspanker

[Ughmahedhurtz]

However.
There seems to be a new tool that creates lag.. there actually is a new tool.. someone is already banned for it.
Maybe alot of people use it..
I hope this is the issue...Wait, what the what? There's a hack someone can use to lag out other people? That doesn't lag out the person using it?


To answer on Ughmahedhurtz:
I would prefer to run on normal resolution..
So if i would purchase the cpu i mentioned, would this resolve the problem?

Greetz

Tanknspanker
Unknown. You can crank up detail/resolution to the point that any system will perform poorly. I know there are people that 10-box on cheaper CPUs than the one you have, so I'm at a loss for answers without some more detailed and invasive debugging. Have you tried OC'ing to 4GHz? Keep a careful eye on CoreTemp but that should give you a quick answer on CPU performance.

[mbox_bob]

I had a play around with WoW today, and found that if I lowered the graphic details from High to Good on just about all the Environment and Effects settings, this actually increased CPU usage from around 10% to 16% for the one game I was using to test (this is on an i3770k at stock). This was only in the starter area, without all the visuals you get in a boss fight, but I think it was a reasonable test.
I'm only guessing but I figure the implementation by Blizzard is assuming that people reduce these options because their GPU is not powerful enough, so they offload processing onto the CPU along with reducing some of the bling.

If my GPU could handle it (it probably couldn't unfortunately), I reckon I could probably 10 box myself at a pinch on my current CPU, although I would probably need to shut down a few of my other background things, and maybe setup an overclock. If I had a couple of extra cores, it would be even better as I'd have some headroom.

So, to answer your question, would a 5960x solve your problem?. If you are just maxing the CPU and the processes don't require much more grunt, then probably. If the games (or something else hooking the games) are looking for a bunch more, then maybe not. You could find this out by shutting down 1 or 2 and seeing if that makes the problem go away. If you have to shut down 3 before it goes away, then chances are a 5960x wont help, based on the percentages.
Personally I think your issue lies in your configuration somewhere (game or other), and the hardware you have should handle it, but that's my opinion, and I don't have the comparative hardware to confirm this.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I had a play around with WoW today, and found that if I lowered the graphic details from High to Good on just about all the Environment and Effects settings, this actually increased CPU usage from around 10% to 16% for the one game I was using to test (this is on an i3770k at stock). This was only in the starter area, without all the visuals you get in a boss fight, but I think it was a reasonable test.
I'm only guessing but I figure the implementation by Blizzard is assuming that people reduce these options because their GPU is not powerful enough, so they offload processing onto the CPU along with reducing some of the bling. I concur. More specifically, with reduced visual fidelity it increases framerate requiring more CPU to render the additional frames regardless of non-CPU considerations. As with you, it's just a suspicion but it makes sense.

[mbox_bob]

Also, while we are still active. If you were on ISBoxer forums you would have been asked for a diagnostic by now (mainly because we know the people there are using ISBoxer :) ). Can you get one? http://www.isboxer.com/wiki/Diagnostics

[MiRai]

I was running some tests tonight, and I figured that I'd see how much CPU my clients were eating up. Surprisingly enough, not very much at all.

2880x1620 x5 / 60/15 FPS / DX11 / Ultra Preset / ~10% CPU (http://i.imgur.com/1Rr7rxJ.jpg)
2880x1620 x5 / 60/15 FPS / DX11 / High Preset (SSAO Low) / ~10% CPU (http://i.imgur.com/46bDDu0.jpg)

Obviously I'm not in a large-scale battle, but Elwynn Forest is a great place to push your hardware if you can't access Pandaria or Draenor. You can see both the Task Manager, as well as the overlay in the bottom left of the main game client to see what loads were on my hardware. Also, I agree with the others... If you can't figure out what's pegging six cores at 100%, then throwing two additional cores at it is unlikely going to fix much of anything.

Just to be clear, we are talking about the retail version of World of Warcraft, correct? Playing on a private server is not going to be the same as retail WoW, and therefore wasting everyone's time and effort in assisting you.



Also, while we are still active. If you were on ISBoxer forums you would have been asked for a diagnostic by now (mainly because we know the people there are using ISBoxer :) ). Can you get one? http://www.isboxer.com/wiki/Diagnostics
In addition to a diagnostic, a capture state may also prove useful. As per Lax's instructions:


In the in-game ISBoxer Control Panel; press Ctrl+Shift+Alt+G to bring it up and click the debug tab (all the way to the right), then click CaptureState. This does a Copy with some info for you to Paste. Things like the resolution of each window, the game window size, whether it's set to fullscreen or windowed, etc.
Then paste it to pastebin for us to look at.

[tanknspanker]

Diagnostic: http://pastebin.com/bL2SXskw

state capture: http://pastebin.com/ut7J71de

note: I have resetted the resolution .. let me know if I need to change this back ...

Again! big thanks to all the hardware people who are trying to figure this out!

I was running some tests tonight, and I figured that I'd see how much CPU my clients were eating up. Surprisingly enough, not very much at all.

2880x1620 x5 / 60/15 FPS / DX11 / Ultra Preset / ~10% CPU (http://i.imgur.com/1Rr7rxJ.jpg)
2880x1620 x5 / 60/15 FPS / DX11 / High Preset (SSAO Low) / ~10% CPU (http://i.imgur.com/46bDDu0.jpg)

In normal area, there is no problem, I could probably run high settings, but it's the fights at Alterac valley first boss defence.
As soon as people start to enter, freezing begins.


Just to be clear, we are talking about the retail version of World of Warcraft, correct? Playing on a private server is not going to be the same as retail WoW, and therefore wasting everyone's time and effort in assisting you.


Yes we are talking about the retail version of wow ;-)


http://www.dual-boxing.com/images/tf_ideal/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tanknspanker http://www.dual-boxing.com/images/tf_ideal/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?p=400555#post400555) However.
There seems to be a new tool that creates lag.. there actually is a new tool.. someone is already banned for it.
Maybe alot of people use it..
I hope this is the issue...
Wait, what the what? There's a hack someone can use to lag out other people? That doesn't lag out the person using it?

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Greetingz!
tanknspanker

Do not link to software which blatantly breaks the TOS of the game you're playing.
-MiRai

[mbox_bob]

So for starters, I'd try without Mumble running, or at the very least ensure that the mumble overlay is disabled if it is not already. This is on the Tweak for Framerate page of ISBoxer. http://www.isboxer.com/wiki/HOWTO:Tweak_your_framerate

You also might ensure that InnerSpace and WOW are running the same "bitness" as per this post. http://www.isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=7091
While you are launching, so the initial reason for that post is resolved, this will help eliminate any other potential crossover on this issue.

If you are using wireless, then use wired (I'm not sure this was ever answered), I think it was just left as a don't do it, and assumed that you weren't doing it.

[ebony]

One thing you might want to look into is addons. They can bring down fps and make the CPU work harder.

as others as mumble overlay is a nogo and the team speak one is bad.

And do not use. Amd gmaimg app or rapir that thing is evil when boxing.

[luxlunae]

One option for getting your GPU requirements down is to run your overlapping boxes on one monitor at about two thirds size, over a black dxnothing and then fill the dxnothing sides/bottom with your mini feeds. I did this with rift when I was getting bottlenecked.

[tanknspanker]

So for starters, I'd try without Mumble running, or at the very least ensure that the mumble overlay is disabled if it is not already. This is on the Tweak for Framerate page of ISBoxer. http://www.isboxer.com/wiki/HOWTO:Tweak_your_framerate

You also might ensure that InnerSpace and WOW are running the same "bitness" as per this post. http://www.isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=7091
While you are launching, so the initial reason for that post is resolved, this will help eliminate any other potential crossover on this issue.

If you are using wireless, then use wired (I'm not sure this was ever answered), I think it was just left as a don't do it, and assumed that you weren't doing it.

I think this did the trick. the same bitness that is
I can even run higher quality settings now!
Thanks to everyone who helped me find the problem!