Elemental shaman and DPS?

[franco]

I've been running the same (4man) team as my main for years:

-Paladin Tank
-Two elemental shamans
-Arcane Mage

Lately I've been really unhappy with the elemental shaman DPS. Lazy me has been using the GS lazymacros from the lazymacro.com, but those do not seem to work too well.

I'm losing a lot of DPS compared for example the mage.

I wonder is there better way to get elemental shamans working better on current world, or should I just swap shammys to other classes? (I've got max level druid, 2 more mages, warlock, paladin) and I'm leveling priest, warrior, hunter rogue...)

With my shaman, I'm getting 14.5k DPS against the garrison dummy, he is i662. (only buffed with lightning shield, no heroism, 2 minute DPS)


Thoughts?

--franco

[JohnGabriel]

The ele shaman on my team does not do the best DPS either. On my team its destruction warlock>frost mage>ele shaman

If you switch to priority based you will get alot more DPS, a single macro from wowlazymacros isn't going to max out your dps, except maybe for mages.

In any case, its smart you are leveling all the classes because by next patch it could all change and a new class will have the best DPS.

[Andreauk]

I used this macro on mine a while back and it did okay.. no gs though:

http://wowlazymacros.com/forums/topic/elemental-max-dps-pve/

the two lines under unleash flame I removed as I like to manage some stuff myself... and I managed searing totem myself also.

[Djawol]

I highly recommend to watch Mirais last videos about the pro system, if you wanna max out your dps/healing in pve and are using IS Boxer.

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/52138-ISBoxer-Pro-System-Video-Series

I have a shaman too and she is doing fine with her gear.

Another site, which i use to compare my dps and for building my macros/prio system, is http://www.noxxic.com/
Just choose your itemlvl and compare :)

[ebony]

you got no hunter in your group that's where your going wrong :D



but no really i don't mind loseing a bit of dps as they can offfer a lot of exata tools heals and stuff you would not get with say a warlock.

[franco]

you got no hunter in your group that's where your going wrong :D



but no really i don't mind loseing a bit of dps as they can offfer a lot of exata tools heals and stuff you would not get with say a warlock.

I like the utility of shamans, I just don't need two of them for the utility also losing 64% of dps compared to mage is quite a bit especially on two toons.

Maybe you are right and I need to finish leveling the hunter and swap it in...

I'm using the pro system for everything else but the rotations. I love the fact that I can play from any character :)

I guess it's time to learn the isboxer rotations and see how to built up the priority rotation. From rotation point of view elemental shamans seem to be a bit complex with the ascendance cool down, searing totem and flame and earth shocks, but I guess if I split it to 3 key rotation is should work.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I'm sure Ebony was being a bit tongue-in-cheek, but I agree! :p

[sync00]

On my team its destruction warlock>frost mage>ele shaman

How do they compare on a percentage basis? My mages are only doing about 50% of the damage of my hunters with a similar ilevel.

[Syferr]

Ive got BM hunters and they blow the my arcane mages out if the water with DPS.

Both are around 680 ilvl. I gave up playing ele shaman last Xpac because they seemed gimped then.

[Bollwerk]

I've watched the series of 5 videos by MiRai about the Pro system, but I still have no idea how to setup a priority rotation in ISBoxer.
Can someone point me to a tutorial?

I also run a Prot Pally, Arc Mage, 3 Ele Shamans

[sync00]

I've watched the series of 5 videos by MiRai about the Pro system, but I still have no idea how to setup a priority rotation in ISBoxer.
Can someone point me to a tutorial?

I also run a Prot Pally, Arc Mage, 3 Ele Shamans
Here is the mage portion of what I'm using. The dps on this is terrible so it is not an example of a good priority rotation. But applying the same principle on my hunter gives good results.

The macros are all very simple. For Arcane Blast I'm using


/stopmacro [channeling]
/cast Arcane Blast

So take a look for an idea of one way to structure a rotation and feel free to ask questions. And let me know if you have any suggestions on how to improve the rotation. :)

http://imgur.com/oTqwItZ

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I've watched the series of 5 videos by MiRai about the Pro system, but I still have no idea how to setup a priority rotation in ISBoxer.With regards to macros that let you just press one button, "priority" and "rotation" are largely mutually exclusive. What the multi-step ISBoxer rotations allow you to do is simulate the old fall-through macros. Have you reviewed the WoD Macro thread (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/51592-WoD-6-0-2-Macro-Library)? There are some good examples of multi-step macros in there that should be somewhat self-explanatory.

[edit] A good (if somewhat outdated) example of a hunter all-in-one multi-step macro (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/47938-The-MoP-Macro-Library?p=392577&viewfull=1#post392577).

[Bollwerk]

I have looked at the WoD Macro thread, but I am not quite sure how to setup something like this:

Step 1: 0,1,9
Step 2: 1,2,4
Step 3: 1,3,4

But perhaps I just need to spend some time figuring it out on my own.

Does this mean that the first time I press the assigned key, it tries to do "0","1" and "9" all at the same time?
Then the next time I press the assigned key, it tries to do "1", "2" and "4" all at the same time?

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I have looked at the WoD Macro thread, but I am not quite sure how to setup something like this:

Step 1: 0,1,9
Step 2: 1,2,4
Step 3: 1,3,4

But perhaps I just need to spend some time figuring it out on my own.

Does this mean that the first time I press the assigned key, it tries to do "0","1" and "9" all at the same time?
Then the next time I press the assigned key, it tries to do "1", "2" and "4" all at the same time?
Generally, yes. You can also set the options for "Do not advance to the next step for X seconds" if you want to make sure a step has enough time to fire a particular ability. This is what I do in the monk setup I link below. Adding those "do not advance" delays to steps also gives you the ability to "weight" certain steps as more likely to trigger than others, which is useful for classes like BM hunters that have a lot of insta-cast stuff in the rotations.

Possibly relevant to your groking this:

My 5-monk setup with sorta-priority/timing based multi-step (stale but still conceptually valid):
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/51592-WoD-6-0-2-Macro-Library?p=393827&viewfull=1#post393827
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/51592-WoD-6-0-2-Macro-Library?p=394584&viewfull=1#post394584

Also see this post (and links in there) for the DK Manifesto related stuff, which is a priority-based system (again, stale but useful for understanding the concepts):
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/47938-The-MoP-Macro-Library?p=367931#post367931

Unfortunately, the concepts aren't a one-size-fits-all. It is entirely dependent on class and spell timings. A web search for isboxer multi-step priority rotation yielded a few links I hadn't seen before, and maybe @Mirai can chime in with which of his (or someone else's) videos covers this.

[Bollwerk]

Thanks for the info. I'm pretty happy with my Prot Pally and Arcane Mage setups now, but my Elemental Shaman DPS is horrible.
All mentions of this class/spec here seem to indicate no one has been able to figure out a good setup to maximize their DPS.

[sync00]

I'm pretty happy with my Prot Pally and Arcane Mage setups now
Can you post your Mage setup?

[Bollwerk]

Can you post your Mage setup?
I use this macro for Arcane, using GnomeSequencer:
PreMacro = [[
/assist party1
]],
'/castsequence [nochanneling]reset=combat/5 Arcane Blast,Arcane Blast,Arcane Blast,Arcane Blast,Arcane Barrage',
'/castsequence [nochanneling]reset=0.9 Supernova',
'/castsequence reset=0.9 !Arcane Missiles',
'/cast [combat,nochanneling]Presence of Mind',
'/cast [combat,nochanneling]Arcane Power',
PostMacro = [[
/use [combat]13
/use [combat]14
/run UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
]]

[sync00]

I use this macro for Arcane, using GnomeSequencer:
PreMacro = [[
/assist party1
]],
'/castsequence [nochanneling]reset=combat/5 Arcane Blast,Arcane Blast,Arcane Blast,Arcane Blast,Arcane Barrage',
'/castsequence [nochanneling]reset=0.9 Supernova',
'/castsequence reset=0.9 !Arcane Missiles',
'/cast [combat,nochanneling]Presence of Mind',
'/cast [combat,nochanneling]Arcane Power',
PostMacro = [[
/use [combat]13
/use [combat]14
/run UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
]]
It seems like you are giving up a lot of damage by casting Arcane Missiles after Arcane Barrage.

[Bollwerk]

Possible. I haven't tested other variations. This was just a copy/paste from the Wowlazymacros forum.