need update isboxer

[Stevo_]

Hellow all,

after a couple of months rumormongering i'd like to know who is using isboxer and what he's doing with it. I've got people telling me they are using isboxer + vfx without issues and other saying they're banned for using it....

let me know what you are doing, not what you think someone got banned for...

thanks!

[JohnGabriel]

Eve doesn't allow multiboxing anymore.

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/51758-CCP-prohibiting-input-broadcasting-multiplexing-beginning-January-2015

[thedevilyouknow]

Eve doesn't allow multiboxing anymore.

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/51758-CCP-prohibiting-input-broadcasting-multiplexing-beginning-January-2015

sigh* multiboxing is allowed gimme sec to write up stuff

[thedevilyouknow]

Hellow all,

after a couple of months rumormongering i'd like to know who is using isboxer and what he's doing with it. I've got people telling me they are using isboxer + vfx without issues and other saying they're banned for using it....

let me know what you are doing, not what you think someone got banned for...

thanks!

Okay, i have proof that round robin and rollover (as well as input multiplexing - if you need definition i'd like you to not waste everyones time and go read forum post first)
Also proof has been posted onto these forums so find it somewhere, mosg posted it

SO FAR the cut off for features to use is videofx, any other funkytown business i'd not do
I have been banned once, and i believe it was for round robin but gm's dont like to give straight answers
so if you ask if "X is okay" the answer is "lolnogetrekt"

Your question in itself is very vague, are you trying to fish for ideas or just don't know what to do with your accounts?

Client modification (apparently aero falls under that catagory now) is illegal so as long as you dont put videofx inside an eve window you should be okay.

I currently have a 12 account setup for different activities, across two monitors 6 on each monitor, in quadrants, with 2 videofx windows in each monitors bottom right quadrant

A few people have been multiboxing incursions with success and seem to be doing well

Tools has been running incursions out of isboxer i believe and is doing well

Last i heard, lord's corp has narrowed to a strictly videofx only policy that being said its been a while since i've heard from him so may have been banned
I have a feeling alot of people have been banned and have shut up about it

Shrug

Also again to the guy who said eve doesnt allow multiboxing, completely ignorant, eve does allow multiboxing, does allow multiboxing with 3rd party tools (to a point) and guy should be ignored

That being said, CCP is being super bitchy lately and the impression they are giving is, they want us to stop

[JohnGabriel]

What a douche-bag! I'm completely ignorant? You've been banned for using IsBoxer, and mention people can only use VideoFX and no input broadcasting. That could barely be called multiboxing.

All forbidden:
Activation and control of ships and modules
Navigation and movement within the EVE universe
Movement of assets and items within the EVE universe
Interaction with other characters

[thedevilyouknow]

Yes...but....Multiboxing refers to playing as multiple separate characters simultaneously in an MMORPGs.
And I was banned by the invisi-rule
So yes you are completely ignorant of the definition, well done

Also everytime i open two clients without the use of isboxer i am technically multiboxing

[Stevo_]

thanks for the reply - my issue is this:

i can not use vfx windows inside an eve client... but i can use it on a dxnothing? correct me if wrong.

that means i can put a vfx of my client in a dxnothing and then add vfx on that same dxnothing....
or is it the- you can not activate modules/select things from a vfx/dxnothing
> basicly you can use it to view things, not to control things...

I can multibox without isboxer, but then its just more annoying then anything...

[thedevilyouknow]

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/52086-Team-Security-EVE-Fanfest-presentation-1500-GMT-on-Saturday-March-21st/page3

Lax's post, the very big one

Basically - It should..(take note of that word) be okay as long as the vfx are not inside another eve client
DX nothing SHOULD (Again.....) be okay
Lots of people have been using only VFX since Jan 1st with no problems

I have no idea what you said in the 3rd segment of your reply so i'll put it like this...

Vfx from Client 1 (of....overview or whatever)
Should not place it inside client 2, only on a dxnothing window.
Some people have been saying there is no way for CCP to detect this...and apparently they've been saying that they cant detect it either.

If you want to be completely 100% safe, unsub all accounts but main :D
banhammer be swinging

Personally believe all the people sprouting on about non isboxers being banned is bullshit, CCP has the right to monitor your hardware and can detect whether someone is using isboxer or not

oh you edited your post, people have been using vfx to control mods and stuff

[LordsServant]

Last i heard, lord's corp has narrowed to a strictly videofx only policy

Correct.


that being said its been a while since i've heard from him so may have been banned
I have a feeling alot of people have been banned and have shut up about it

Naw, I'm still here. ;)

I've been banned from eve exactly twice EVER - first was ages ago(literally 5 or more years ago) when I went on a drunkpoasting rant on the forums, also resulted in Lord's being forumpost permabanned (but not any of my other chars, that's why I always post my videos with Servants).

Second was more recently, and that was due to someone trying to steal some of my accounts. He told a ton of lies to CCP, and most of my accounts were tempbanned while CCP investigated. CCP exhaustively went through all of my wallets, assets, specifically what I was doing with each account/character, realized he was lying like crazy, and by his own admission during a temper tantrum on reddit, he has been permabanned on all his accounts. I've got all my accounts back, and am continuing per the norm.

The reason I went into such detail for the second is that CCP knows EXACTLY how I play eve - that I multibox, what I do with my multiboxing, and exactly how I make my isk/pvp/play eve on all my accounts/characters. There was absolutely no mention of that being any kind of wrongdoing, nor was I banned. I was unbanned and all my stuff returned.

That said, I don't have that many multiboxers in my corp atm compared to the last few months. I know several folks have quit, and it seems that there aren't a lot of multiboxers who are willing to pvp anyways.

Always willing to welcome more, and it really is the best place/way to pvp atm. I'd imagine we don't get half the annoying reports and spam you get in hisec, and we also makes piles more isk (in nonoptimized pve setups, pvp setups are run btw) compared to the laughable numbers I've seen put up from the incursion thread.

Sure there's a bit of risk, but it's also much easier to transition from pvp to pve, and the pvp is great with our setups, and very multiboxer friendly. Atm I'm currently working on rebuilding my alliance as it did take a bit of a hit in activity during the month or so I was tempbanned while CCP investigated all my accounts (I wasn't joking when I said it was THOROUGH).

[LordsServant]

To clarify, I use video feed throughs for my multiboxing, can hit ctrl 1, ctrl 2, ctrl 3 etc etc to swap focus to various character screens (like alt tab, which I also sometimes use) and that's it.

I have video views/sources on both dxnothing AND overlaid on top of client windows. I have seen/heard nothing from CCP to say this is illegal, nor was I told it was illegal when CCP went through ALL my stuff with a fine-toothed comb.

Don't modify the client, and don't do anything that someone with a regular client couldn't do. When I broadcast for shields, I actually click the little broadcast button through a video feed through - no clickbars, no built in hotkeys.

I personally think actually clicking lots of stuff and playing everything just as you would if you were playing the game with 1 client is important - I'm still playing eve, not a stripped down and/or minimalist completely different thing.

EDIT: my setup looks something like this, altho thats a bit older, newer setup is more streamlined, and I've dropped a few accounts since it's oppressive to plex that many for the sole purpose of fleet pew and grinding isk only.

http://i.imgur.com/TPzPm7Q.jpg

[thedevilyouknow]

Essentially even though we use 3rd party software, the idea that has now become apparent, which should have been apparent without having to read between the lines when this all first started, was they want you to play EvE....as close to it can be, as it is shipped.
Videofx, which still technically a 3rd party software tool (...windows......) is basically just cutting a segment of the window and sticking it to some paper...or dxnothing windows.

The only thing im considering using ISBoxers tools for (aside from windows management) is using Tab to cycle through clients instead of Alt tab...because my fingers hurt :)

E: so lords you actually told CCP yo uwere using Vfx and they just shrugged?

Id join you sometime if i could make enough isk to welp a fleet without worry

[LordsServant]

Essentially even though we use 3rd party software, the idea that has now become apparent, which should have been apparent without having to read between the lines when this all first started, was they want you to play EvE....as close to it can be, as it is shipped.
Videofx, which still technically a 3rd party software tool (...windows......) is basically just cutting a segment of the window and sticking it to some paper...or dxnothing windows.

The only thing im considering using ISBoxers tools for (aside from windows management) is using Tab to cycle through clients instead of Alt tab...because my fingers hurt :)

E: so lords you actually told CCP yo uwere using Vfx and they just shrugged?

Id join you sometime if i could make enough isk to welp a fleet without worry

250m per site in the c5s, depending on your fleet size your clear time can be anywhere from 10-20 minutes.

You can literally solo with a gila in the c3, and clear 150-200m/hour (50m/site, 3-4 sites/hour) without issue. If you have playtime, isk is no issue. :)

Not counting salvage btw, that's just blue loot. ;)

[Stevo_]

SO as i see it, i can setup a dxnothing - cut some sections out my 5 clients? and then click buttons from that vfx ( thats on my dxnothing)

i'll assume i shouldn't do it to quick :D

[LordsServant]

SO as i see it, i can setup a dxnothing - cut some sections out my 5 clients? and then click buttons from that vfx ( thats on my dxnothing)

i'll assume i shouldn't do it to quick :D

I pvp on the regular with mine, so I don't think quickness has anything to do with it. The point is make sure you're actually doing each action and clicking.

There's been some conflicting info from CCP, and posted here, but as a programmer (well, CS student atm) irl, it's not hard to tell the difference between someone rapidly clicking several buttons with a mouse across varying x/y coordinates on 5 characters, and someone miraculously hitting f1 within half a second across those same 5 characters.

Not to say you can't do stuff like f1-f4, but for instance, as you can see with my setup, logi are on the bottom. I often click or mouseover to get focus, and then either f1-f4 rapidly, or click each, it depends on what's happening, since f1-f4 isn't always consistent with the way isboxer handles things for w/e reason (clicking is more consistent, you can see from some of my videos that not everything turns on or w/e).

Example here:

http://www.twitch.tv/lords_serv/c/6329791

At 0, and then 13:00 are the two "fights."

You can see 1 of my 2 screens, the one where I'm running my vulture and double basilisks.

[Stevo_]

ty for the usefull replies! I might actualy hit you up LS

[LordsServant]

ty for the usefull replies! I might actualy hit you up LS

NP, I'm always happy to answer reasonable and constructive questions. ;)

[Tool of Society]

I've been running incursions in windowed mode with two machines and three screens.

This video is of my primary screen on my primary computer. THe secondary screen in the primary computer is to the right and that's where one of my nestor pilot screens is located. THe secondary machine feeds a monitor to my left which has my second logi pilot along with the ore dropper and a booster. I play with two keyboards and two mice.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZz_5dI6fgM


I run in windowed mode because CCP is at the point where they are banning people if they are too efficient/fast. It's obvious CCP can't detect videofx very well if at all. So CCP has taken up the option of just banning anyone that is too quick. This is proven via the few GM messages that have been released and by some of the CCP employee posts on the official forums.

Clearly CCP sees videofx in a client window as "client modification" and I bet they will extend that "logic" to running dxnothing. As stupid as it is. If they took their comments to the logical end then we'd all be banned because we all have graphics drivers that modify how the game environment appears in the client.

In case you're wondering I'm still able to run incursions without drone assist. I have done test runs with my old nightmares (with much cheaper fits) using tachs. I don't have any videos of that because I did that back before I started recording all my runs.

Here's a video I made during my first attempt. I recorded the video originally so I could use it to create basically a mental flowchart for running. I had a friend who was curious how it looked so I went ahead and uploaded it. Pulse are less effective in OTAs by quite a bit when running this way but I had left my tachs 30 hops behind on accident so I had no choice.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pYOv7T6bug

[Stevo_]

i'll assume you are doing domis + gardes and nestors + paladin for dronebunny? mind sharing a fit?

[Tool of Society]

My fits are over tanked so I can recover easily from oops moments. Over the last four months of running this I've lost one domi and that was relatively recently. I let the domi get lower than normal so I could get a better time and when I went to rep the damned pop up for DT appeared which delayed my reps enough that the domi popped. So I sent that character off to buy a new domi while I finished the site. I was actually really surprised how easy it was to keep running while also warping a character to a trade hub.

[Dominix, Warp speed Vanguard]
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script

Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Large Anti-Explosive Pump I
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Garde II x whatever.

[Nestor, Armor logi]
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II

Large Remote Repair Augmentor II
Large Remote Repair Augmentor II
Large Remote Repair Augmentor II

Heavy Hull Maintenance Bot II x5
Acolyte II x5

nestors are extremely cap stable and I can get through most sites only using one of them.

[Stevo_]

nice, thanks!

[shadowandlight]

@ Lords - Welcome back, glad they unbanned everything.

@ Steveo - These guys are all on point, but I'll only add that my opinion (15 years in IT, CCNA, MCSE etc) and 5 years of using ISBoxer as well as heavily debating this issue for months.

Once again my opinion, CCP is being extremely dodgy and not answering direct questions on what is and is not allowed. If you play dont use Input Duplication, dont use complex macros like in AHK and try to play around the same speed as an advanced normal player you are probably fine (as best I know it).

There is a statement from CCP during the fanfest round table that if your 20% better (by what metrics we dont know) then a "normal" player they are at least looking into you.

Round-Robin - Some people think that its not allowed, I think "fast round-robin" will be detected as input duplication.
Key remapping - Its my opinion its ok
Video FX - In client probably not ok, in a dxnothing probably ok
Rollover Buttons - In dxnothing I THINK its ok, but that depends on their answers on VFX and Key remapping (IMO).

they wont directly answer the question and in MY OPINION they caused more questions then they answered at Fanfest.

Mutli-box at your own risk, dont use Input Duplication, dont use more advanced ISBoxer features without realizing they might place you into the "unfair" category, use VFX in a DXnothing window.

[thedevilyouknow]

@ Lords - Welcome back, glad they unbanned everything.

@ Steveo - These guys are all on point, but I'll only add that my opinion (15 years in IT, CCNA, MCSE etc) and 5 years of using ISBoxer as well as heavily debating this issue for months.

Once again my opinion, CCP is being extremely dodgy and not answering direct questions on what is and is not allowed. If you play dont use Input Duplication, dont use complex macros like in AHK and try to play around the same speed as an advanced normal player you are probably fine (as best I know it).

There is a statement from CCP during the fanfest round table that if your 20% better (by what metrics we dont know) then a "normal" player they are at least looking into you.

Round-Robin - Some people think that its not allowed, I think "fast round-robin" will be detected as input duplication.
Key remapping - Its my opinion its ok
Video FX - In client probably not ok, in a dxnothing probably ok
Rollover Buttons - In dxnothing I THINK its ok, but that depends on their answers on VFX and Key remapping (IMO).

they wont directly answer the question and in MY OPINION they caused more questions then they answered at Fanfest.

Mutli-box at your own risk, dont use Input Duplication, dont use more advanced ISBoxer features without realizing they might place you into the "unfair" category, use VFX in a DXnothing window.

While shadow is very good at arguing for the merits of isboxer on GD

He has cannot get this into his head so I shall say it again, hopefully for the last time
There is a GM ticket response specifically saying THAT ROUND ROBIN AND ROLLOVER IS NOT OKAY

I don't see where key remapping would not be okay however, since you can remap keys ingame as its shipped
Videofx is the real question but seeing as how lord has been running so his setup with vfx...shrug*

[Stevo_]

key points
-ccp still isn't clear
-dont train assian lvl musscle memory
-dont multibroadcast (key/mouse)

added (see next post)
- dont do roundrobin ( automation of keysequences - obvious tbh)
- dont do rollover ( same, automation of mouse movement to keyaction )

[thedevilyouknow]

Also no round robin and rollover, i'll post the gm ticket thats already on these forums here if it'll convince you

[Stevo_]

ohyah, those i wont do either .. ( i'll add them )

[thedevilyouknow]

page 7 of the banned thread btw, just scroll down till you see the text wall by mosg

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/51980-The-Banned-thread/page7

[LordsServant]

I'd also add in that when dealing with CCP, ALWAYS be extremely polite and respectful.

During my recent thing, in the beginning, CCP was looking to permanently remove me from the game, based on the accusations against me.

There was quite a lot said (ofc falsely) about me to the GM, and at the beginning, I was considered super guilty and should basically RIP to ever playing eve again.

I knew I was perfectly in the clear, and knew the GMs would have access to evidence to support this, so I was very polite, very calm, and also very specific about what they needed to look through and look for.

At no point did I rage, nor did I say anything insulting, or throw a temper tantrum/demand anything. This obviously paid off, as the GMs eventually realized I was telling the truth, the other guy wasn't, and obviously I'm still here. ;) If I had demanded or raged, the GMs coulda told me to fuck off and not gone to the large amount of effort of investigating tons of stuff.

The other guy's public meltdown on reddit showed that he had done everything I hadn't - he was publicly demanding things from the GMs, raging about their incompetence, doxxing me (he did this several times over the course of this) and just about dug his own grave, not counting all the facts and evidence being on my side.

Always remember that GMs are people too, and they're a lot more inclined to help you if you're calm, nice, and respectful to them regardless of what's happening - everything they do can be reversed given evidence and/or time.

[Tool of Society]

I'd also add in that when dealing with CCP, ALWAYS be extremely polite and respectful.

During my recent thing, in the beginning, CCP was looking to permanently remove me from the game, based on the accusations against me.

There was quite a lot said (ofc falsely) about me to the GM, and at the beginning, I was considered super guilty and should basically RIP to ever playing eve again.

I knew I was perfectly in the clear, and knew the GMs would have access to evidence to support this, so I was very polite, very calm, and also very specific about what they needed to look through and look for.

At no point did I rage, nor did I say anything insulting, or throw a temper tantrum/demand anything. This obviously paid off, as the GMs eventually realized I was telling the truth, the other guy wasn't, and obviously I'm still here. ;) If I had demanded or raged, the GMs coulda told me to fuck off and not gone to the large amount of effort of investigating tons of stuff.

The other guy's public meltdown on reddit showed that he had done everything I hadn't - he was publicly demanding things from the GMs, raging about their incompetence, doxxing me (he did this several times over the course of this) and just about dug his own grave, not counting all the facts and evidence being on my side.

Always remember that GMs are people too, and they're a lot more inclined to help you if you're calm, nice, and respectful to them regardless of what's happening - everything they do can be reversed given evidence and/or time.
What were you doing that caused all this?

Got a link to the rage?

[LordsServant]

What were you doing that caused all this?

Got a link to the rage?

I did nothing, he up and started stealing my accounts, then petitioned me claiming all sorts of stuff (I can't quote anything directly, and I wasn't told all of it, but the GMs - plural - mentioned something like they were not told everything, and there was a lot of misleading info given to them), including that I had "stolen" the very character(s) he stole from me. His evidence (so far that I know) to this was that he changed the account info to his info under account management - nevermind that I created the account, registered it, played it for years, and all backing evidence IP logs, etc etc confirmed that. ;)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2wk9g7/im_am_having_a_big_problem_with_ccp_customer/

Mods nuked a lot of his stuff due him throwing RL info around like candy, and generally being an asshat. vOv

[shadowandlight]

I did nothing, he up and started stealing my accounts, then petitioned me claiming all sorts of stuff (I can't quote anything directly, and I wasn't told all of it, but the GMs - plural - mentioned something like they were not told everything, and there was a lot of misleading info given to them), including that I had "stolen" the very character(s) he stole from me. His evidence (so far that I know) to this was that he changed the account info to his info under account management - nevermind that I created the account, registered it, played it for years, and all backing evidence IP logs, etc etc confirmed that. ;)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2wk9g7/im_am_having_a_big_problem_with_ccp_customer/

Mods nuked a lot of his stuff due him throwing RL info around like candy, and generally being an asshat. vOv

jesus h macy...... that is a complete pile of bullshit

sorry man

[luckylucky]

hey there fellow multiboxer!
sorry to ask for clarification, i was completely unaware that there could be any problem surrounding isboxer that could make me banned if not using any multi-broadcasting / multiplexing thingie
so if i read and understand correctly it seems that any people using isboxer (seems like they can tell if you use it or not) could be banned for being too efficient whether they use vfx or not (not using any non EULA thingie)?
also can you be banned for being too efficient if not using isboxer or any other soft btw ?

starting to get a bit frightened, multiboxing myself about 12miner & a few other with vfx windows (not using roundrobin or rollover)

[thedevilyouknow]

i just sent in a ticket about client management and swapping and got the copy paste response again
ive seen it a few times now, its getting old
Efficiency has been brought up, apparently something about 20% faster and what not, but if anyone brings up trying to add time variables to this mess disregard them as
They either ask for a time frame to work within (like that will work well, or be enforcable)
They say a time frame was suggested by ccp (again...like that would work)
That being said i highly doubt people who do not use isboxer are being banned
If you are too efficient with the use of isboxer however there is a question you need to ask yourself, could you do the same without isboxer?
You should be frightened, i asked my question without even mentioning 3rd party programs and got stuck with the copy paste of hell

Sorry for format, typed in notepad because text in reply box is slow

[luckylucky]

well i can mine without its just less a hassle with (being able to know the content of all the ore hold and the state of the strip miners, i also really like windows layout & global hotkey switch)
also i think im less efficient with isboxer but it's arbitrary judgement so well....
looks like im going to stop using it then just in case

thanks for the anwer!

[EaTCarbS]

multiboxing myself about 12miner & a few other with vfx windows (not using roundrobin or rollover)

you should be fine. I did it for about 2 weeks in high sec, pissed off a lot of people, got reported plenty (supposedly), and had no problems.

[bugme143]

Yes, theoretically you can still use ISBoxer and multibox. But that's like saying you can drive a car you purchased with your own money but only in a specific parking lot. Reminds me a lot of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWo-vDVajns this commercial

[thedevilyouknow]

Not sure if its how CCP is just wordingn it now adays but i'm not sure if ISBoxer is strictly legal :3

However they have gotten a new copy paste saved message to doll out, thats new

Took them 2 months to respond to an old message so...there you go

[Stevo_]

link to an external website where someone else posted his message?? *

rite?

[JohnGabriel]

I tried posting you can't multibox in Eve but people just get mad at me. If you do get banned, you can bug a GM saying that technically you were not doing anything wrong and keep bugging them until eventually one will unban you. I didn't bother fighting mine and just quit playing.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I tried posting you can't multibox in Eve but people just get mad at me.
I can't imagine why.

[thedevilyouknow]

I can't imagine why.

da derp :3

[Andrivullar]

As a american consumer who's lost money in this new "deal" CCP went off on; We do indeed have legal recourse if we all want to explore that option.

[Andrivullar]

So to those who are inevitably reading here as well as eve-o forums who ARNT boxers; Nice to meet you. I'm an 07 eve player. began at age 13. Anyways; I've done literally everything in eve save super capitals; I've been a manual pvper [running 6-8 accounts all doing very micro managey-gimmicky-own-you-things:E2] to incursion boxer, to a variety of combat things [multibox experience, as said before, i've done every single mechanic eve has except for supercaps.] I've been a gamer since i was five. i started ultima online then. SO! now that introductions out the way lets continue; CCPs new ruling has indeed gotten people banned [and broke a handful of international trade laws(HIGHLY pursue able in the USA for suite], but we'll get to that when the other boxers here are tired of trying to get CCPs ear.] I've seen people get banned for the following things; Windows aero. windows level hotkeys [sorry, you can go straight to OS to the non-techy guys, the russians and koreans do it 24/7] video fx, visualization, and in some cases, just being a miner with 5 accounts. I've seen everyone who plays this play style try and explain that realistically, in this real world of tech we live in, that they're being unreasonable. [they being ccp] I've seen some answers to petitions stating windows 7 pro is against the eula [yeah i know right?]. I've also warned their legal crew about the laws they've broke [which they've ignored me entirely, and retroactively banned my inactive accounts since sep-14 in pure malice] SO to all you and not just boxers; What do you want to be done? Insanity is trying the same thing over and over again. CCP doesnt want to communicate, we obviously can't get the low-iq trolls on their forums [probably CCP alts to be completely honest] so the only option i see for ANY OF US is to group up and just slam their wallet. I'm dead serious that they've broken some pretty hefty laws. We could get every single DIME we've ever spent on eve back because of it. [pretty big pay day for me]. So guys; tell me, what do you want to do?

E1: on a somewhat sidenote; EvE basically made it illegal to be skilled. For those of you wanting some key-press numbers; i type at 150 gwpm, so even the manual multiboxing is cake-walk for me.[the fastest GWPM ever recorded is/was IIRC 360, so on the scale of "beastmode genius keypresser" I'm in the middle.] {AVG GWPM is 50-70 for 10 fingers.} http://depo.com/worldrecord.html [interesting read for those who dont believe human ingenuity is endless, i suggest taking a peek]
E2: another sidetrack; curse, arazu, two t3 super-boosters [cloaky, nulli, anti-probe as can be, anti points, basically FU booster.] raven, 2 ceptor[or 2 logi], and your friendly dedicated super-prober/anti catch me t3.] -Sometimes this info is useful to those who are curious exactly what i was doing, at this time i was living in c2 to c6 space at about the time wormholes had came out, along with two others [my eve mentors who have quit long ago due to lack of interest in eve period [unknown reason why, i guess just bored, as i still play with them on other games] who ran 3-5 each.
E3: Totally sidenote; I was around during the t20 scandal and remember it very well on what REALLY happened. I'd be delighted to tell it if asked. But CCP is nowhere near as squeaky clean as people would hope [just give ya a teaser]
E4: to those who'd like to call me a botter because of isboxer; I didnt even know about isboxer till second half-ish of 2014, I was actually going to incursion-multibox by hand entirely [window mode and trackball, because trackball OP, no seriously, i get called a hacker [in a variety of games] JUST BECAUSE of this things ability to be accurate quickly.] BACK THEN until I was told about the things existance