Why Don't More Multiboxers Raid?

[Mercurio]

I posted a video killing The Butcher in Highmaul earlier today (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/51942-Multiboxing-Highmaul) and it got me to thinking. Why don't more multiboxers raid?

I've had a blast over the last few years soloing raids. I love the challenge of trying to deal with all the devilish mechanics that Blizzard throws at us. Each fight is unique and every boss stretches me as I have to come up with new ways of dealing with them. Conquering content that was designed for ten+ individual minds and keyboards gives a feeling of accomplishment like none other in the game.

Raids have long been the pinnacle of PvE content in WoW and other MMOs and with LFR, cross-realm grouping, and multiple levels of raids (normal, heroic, and mythic), more WoW players than ever before are enjoying that content. I remember reading a comment from the Blizzard developers commenting that the vast majority of level capped players now raid. Raiding is the major thing that keeps most WoW players paying for their subscription. Yet expansion after expansion, I feel like I am one of the few (or only) multiboxer heading into raids.

Here are some reasons I can come up with that might explain this, but they all seem insufficient to me:

Raiding is too hard.
OK, I admit there is a challenge there, but without a challenge games become stale. You can't make the argument that current level raiding can't be done by a multiboxer (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/30583-10-Boxer-Video-Compendium)

It takes too much skill.
If I am the person that is being held up as being uberskilled, I beg to differ. I don't have particularly fast reactions and it is embarrassing how basic my ISBoxer setup is. I'm certain somebody like Mirai or Lax would be able to do wonders and somebody like Ellay could run circles around me in PvP.

Getting sufficient gear to get started is too hard.
Getting an average over ilvl 640 takes no skill and very little of your time in this expansion. Once you are at level 100 and have a basic garrison set up, logging in once a day for a few weeks gets you tons of ilvl 645 gear from follower missions (and maybe a few ilvl 655 pieces from Highmaul missions), running LFR for maybe 2 hours each week gets you a slew of ilvl 640 gear from the three Highmaul wings, and even un-upgraded profession gear can fill in more ilvl 640 gear wherever you have holes. With just a bit of skill, it is easy to farm normal or heroic Highmaul trash for ilvl 655 or 670 backs/belts. 30 min once per week to kill Drov or Tarina for ilvl 650 drops or doing The Pit daily and buying Apexis crystal gear are more easy ways to boost that ilvl.

I'm a boxer - I'm lazy and don't want a challenge.
If this is true, I can see this being a valid reason for more boxers not to raid. I mean, it does give one a feeling of superiority when leveling up where you can push one button with totally unoptimized macros and everything dies. It is a bit of a shock when you enter a dungeon and face content actually designed for the number of characters you are playing. But I have a hard time accepting the basic premise that most boxers are lazy. We spend a lot of time getting teams set up and invest a significant amount of money in the game - in most cases we are the cream of the crop, not the bottom of the barrel.

I don't want to optimize macros.
This is highly related to the above. Getting macros right does take some time, but enough of us have posted good macros on this site that copying and pasting them should at least give you a great start. (In fact, I'll post the macros I used in my Butcher kill).

I can't afford a great computer.
I can see this as being valid for a minority of people, but it really just doesn't take much to be able to ten box effectively these days. I have two computers that are 2-3 years old and run 5-man teams on each with Input Director (software) to run them both with one mouse and keyboard. Pretty cheap.

Um... OK, I'm searching here and can't come up with anything else. None of the above explain why there aren't more multiboxing raiders.

Help me out - why do you think more of us don't raid? More personally, why don't YOU raid?

[Khatovar]

I attempted to duo-raid with my husband in Wrath. Turns out he's not multiboxer material and gave up pretty quickly.

I never picked up solo raiding because I didn't want to invest anymore time or money in the game. Raiding never interested me enough to make the investment in buying and leveling another 5 accounts, especially once the release of new content slowed to a crawl. 5 seems to be my limit for throwing money at a game in an attempt to make the content last/hold my interest longer.

[ebony]

i waas boxing raids with a few at the end of mop. i was boxing raids in wotlk with a other boxer as well.

raiding is not my main goal in wow its hard to get players togaver to raid as well. Maybe oneday ill 10 box.

[CDNProdigy]

I have been playing World of Warcraft from Day 1 way back in 2004.

Everything I have achieved and done seems to follow a logical progression.

Back in Vanilla I distinctly remember asking myself that there had to be a way to level easier thus my first dual boxing combo: A Paladin and a Priest. (Oh the good old days of alt tabbing).

I still remember the day when that became insufficient. It was is in The Lich King expansion. I needed to conquer more content thus 5 - boxing became my standard.

When Blizzard introduced LFR that could be done with 10 man teams; I then felt that 5 - boxing became insufficient; hence in Warlords of Draenor I moved to ten boxing.

I guess my point is that once I considered myself competent enough with what I am currently doing and the game presented little challenge I tend to crave more. What I do today really has been years in the making and up until recently I only considered getting into raiding. I avoided it mostly because I got tired of the raid rage I would get bringing 5 man teams into raids.

I know that I want to get to the point of competency with ten characters and join other like minded individuals (aka Multiboxers) to achieve even greater things. Imagine a 25 man raid with only a few multiboxers?! That was the main reason why I moved to the Sargeras server from my firmly established home on Wyrmrest Accord.

[Mercurio]

Nice little walk down nostalgia lane there, CDNProdigy. :D

One of the things you mentioned made me take my own little walk.
Imagine a 25 man raid with only a few multiboxers?! That was the main reason why I moved to the Sargeras server from my firmly established home on Wyrmrest Accord.

Here's a video of three of us Multiboxers (me, Fishbeak, and Styrr) taking down 25 man Morchok with 24 characters when he was current raid content back in May, 2012:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPaJ1B6sSz8

If only they had invented flex raiding back then - would have made that kill 1/25 easier on us!

[ebony]

oh one more thing to add is the cost to ten box £100 a month is far to much for me to spend will see whats happens with the "new" starter accounts & o the the game time for gold.


But boxing raids with others is something am sure ill be doing!

[zenga]

The few occasions where I teamed up with fellow multiboxers were quite disappointing. The either showed up completely clueless about the encounters, unprepared in terms of gear (no gems/enchants when they were costing a couple 100g) or macros ... while I had different expectations/made pretty much all preparations possible. I wasn't really interested in raiding content that was 2 years old by severely outgearing and bruteforcing it. I have however taken 4 shamans into a normal raid back in cataclysm with my guild back then, but that didn't really feel right as this was a heroic progression guild (i.e. it was more for the gimmick that a boxed a few encounters than actually contributing).

The other possibility would be to 10 box: while it means I have to make some changes to my setup (don't really fancy bringing e.g. a 2nd computer into my living room) I've always considered 5 to be the ideal size of my team. And what stopped me from 10 boxing in cata was that a simple trivial raid mechanic on boss 2 of an instance could make it impossible to further progress, which would make a 10m team pretty useless for me as there is nothing else to do on your own.

And this might sound crazy, but I multibox raid encounters in my head all the time. For pretty much every boss I think about how a multiboxer should do the encounter. Then I check logs/fights/raid comp till I'm convinced it would work (and I have a pretty good background as a progress raider, so I somehow have faith in my own analysis). And the knowledge that the strategy I come up with would work is so far enough for me that I don't feel the urge of going through the hassle of actually doing it.

[Teslah]

Before starting, I want to be clear that taking down the Butcher was fantastic. Being the first to take down a raid boss is always a major accomplishment. That’s different to me than raiding it every week for the gear, badges, gold, mounts, whatever.

An alternate title to your thread might be “Why don’t more multiboxers join up for raids to do the one or two bosses we can take down in current content?”

I do think most people raid, it’s just older content, LFR and normals with other people. I know I’ve blasted through older content to get mounts and transmog gear. I think we did ICC 10 normal back when it was current and maybe a boss or two in other current raids. Other than that, like Zenga said there are only a couple of bosses we can do.

Is it worth setting up a 10 man profile, tweaking it and getting your system capable of handling it for one or two bosses you’ll run a couple of times? I can run 10 on my system and used to do it for older raids for the gold and more chances at mounts. I’m glad I can run 10, but I rarely do. Zenga, now you’re making me think about the value of it all lol.

Do you think you will do the Butcher for the next 52 weeks for gear that is 20 iLvls below you? Taking him down first is excellent, continuing to do it week after week for the gear, I’m not so sure.

If there was a way to solo all of 10 man Highmaul no matter how hard it was I think everyone would be trying it. The problem is there are major roadblocks that can’t be passed. Sure, get another person or two and it becomes much easier. Once you hit three or more people are you truly multiboxing at that point? And, as Zenga said it’s not easy coordinating with another boxer. One person to heal the group is great, someone running a 5 man team and coordinating it all? Not as easy.

I'm sure most people raid current content and run 2 to 4 people at a time through LFR and normal. If you try to do much more than that you start hearing the complaints, even if your dps is decent.

Now, should we join up more and try to help each other clear raid content? Sure. But, part of the fun for me is trying to solo everything. Like everyone else here, I have a few close friends that play who will jump on to help me with more difficult stuff when needed.

I’m still going to try and do the Butcher now that you've shown it can be done. Will I make that the primary thing I do when I have time to play? Probably not.

[EaTCarbS]

5 boxed some raids with another 5 boxer at the time back in wotlk. it was fun, but I completely burned myself out on pve at that time. I got to the point where I could do the heroics in my sleep. it was great for the gold, but it got boring real fast. after that, I only did pvp - pve was means to an end.

[daanji]

For me, multiboxing is meant as a time-saver. Do more in the time I've given. With 5-toons, I can level up more characters at the same time and run my own dungeons and clear old raids with ease.

For to tackle current raid content is a huge time commitment and I just don't have the patience or time for it.

[Ñightsham]

I just started a second team of 5 in order to 10 box, whether or not i make it to raiding by myself is another thing. I started boxing in Wrath and even though I never really raided as a boxer, my initial goal was to be able to just do dungeons eventually doing heroics with a team of 5.
I may be able to raid at some point but it'll take a lot of work on my part in order to set it up properly in isboxer and muster the patience it take to learn all thats needed to accomplish it. RL takes away my ability to play on a more regular basis.
still having fun though :)

[fightcow]

OP - you must have plenty of spare money if it didnt even occur to you that cost might be a reason people dont box raids lol.

For me cost is definately an issue, i have 3 kids and limited time so i cannot justify spending much more on gaming. Maybe if 10 man stuff was the pinnacle of wow and gave access to the best gear etc then i would try it for a limited time..maybe.
But 25 accounts is definately out of the question, even if it were free i think it would be a huge headache. maybe im just not committed enough :)

[Mercurio]

OP - you must have plenty of spare money if it didnt even occur to you that cost might be a reason people dont box raids lol.

Yep, after the first person mentioned cost as limiting factor for why they don't raid, I realized that should have been on my list.

I certainly remember those college days when I was came home with $20 of eggs and bread for the week's food since they were really cheap, and am glad to be past those days, but $150/mo is still nothing to sneeze at.

Paying for 25 accounts? That's truly crazy.


Maybe if 10 man stuff was the pinnacle of wow and gave access to the best gear

Er... am I missing something? ;)

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I've never done any raiding, though I did 10-box for a few months. Back then, leveling was the hardest part as no quests worked in raid groups. I've been getting the itch to do it again in WoD with the quest changes but time is a problem at the moment. I'm busy as hell at work (and loving all but the lack of sleep/gaming) and until that lets up, 5-boxing 3 groups of garrisons is about as much as I can manage.

[zenga]

but $150/mo is still nothing to sneeze at.

Paying for 25 accounts? That's truly crazy.


In a multiboxing context, 25 is not more or less crazy than paying for 10 accounts. 300 euro/month ain't the end of the world either for many people (and for many it is). It's all about if its worth it for you. I'm too cheap to pay 4 euro in a store for jam when I can buy it somewhere else for 3.5 euro, but on the other hand I fly 2-3x a year to London to get me some handmade shirts/suits. And I guess pretty much everyone has stuff going like this.

[HPAVC]

I have always just done PvE and minus some zerg and leagion of boom alts, its been solo boxing 5 and the last year to so 10.

I think I am right behind you in High Maul, but I get distracted by farming stuff (36 mimiron head runs a week, I hope to get #2 and never see that place again ... and now ) or garrisons with my time. Too much time wasted going for Astral Cloud Serpent, likely put that off until I can vaporize the place.

With the recent Jamba issues and now the end of life announcement I have been trying to package up a DWIW replacement for curseforge.

I would like to see a OpenRaid guild with some of the PvE multi-boxing teams to do some raids with. I think a lot of people would like to rotate teams through lockouts. Likely help newbie people that cannot do a lot of content mixing with other people.

[JackBurton]

I dont raid because

1. My performance is always poor
a. I've done my homework on my class and my isboxer dps setup is highly complex but i cant keep up with solo players
b. I can set up simple round robins but i struggle to set them up with profiles that have more than one group and or mixed groups
c. its hard to innovate/improve because troubleshooting isboxer can be a bear and time consuming.
2. I can only do one thing at the same time
a. I've offset by adding more input devices foot pedals, mice with side buttons and left/right tilt wheels
3. I struggle with movement intensive mechanics like twins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5gYvlmNyZ
a. I counter this using a deep camera angle so i can see the whole team
b. I use addons like GTFO to avoid fire and dangerous mechanics

[Poetry]

My husband and I used to dual 5 box raids during BC and Wrath but somewhere along the way he lost interest (something about not enjoying wiping for hours on end). During Cata I don't think he even bothered leveling all 5 members of his team so that was that. Unfortunate since I think he was totally the superior boxer!

Right now I just finally managed to limp my team of 5 through the level 100 normal dungeons and am thinking of maybe trying some heroics later today, but even that is intimidating given how hard I thought the normals were! Heck, at this point I wish I could just find a way to box an Invasion! to gold status! That would be sweet!

[Mercurio]

what stopped me from 10 boxing in cata was that a simple trivial raid mechanic on boss 2 of an instance could make it impossible to further progress

Yep, the change they've made to raids recently are awesome for boxing! Now you can easily PuG past non-boxing friendly bosses, then make this toon lead and get the rest of your team in to do whatever you want!


And this might sound crazy, but I multibox raid encounters in my head all the time. For pretty much every boss I think about how a multiboxer should do the encounter. Then I check logs/fights/raid comp till I'm convinced it would work (and I have a pretty good background as a progress raider, so I somehow have faith in my own analysis). And the knowledge that the strategy I come up with would work is so far enough for me that I don't feel the urge of going through the hassle of actually doing it.

I'm willing to bet your analyses are pretty spot on, zenga. Since you are already figuring this stuff out in your head, spend a few minutes writing it down on the forums! Figuring out a decent strategy is half the battle for raiding boxers. Maybe I'll be able to prove your strategies work!

[Mercurio]

Teslah,

Thanks for your thoughts. I did want to comment on a couple of your points.


Do you think you will do the Butcher for the next 52 weeks for gear that is 20 iLvls below you? Taking him down first is excellent, continuing to do it week after week for the gear, I’m not so sure.

This seems an odd question that would be answered the same by any raider. My primary reason for raiding is the same one that the millions of other raiders have - to get better gear so you can take on more significant challenges. After I've farmed the gear I need out of a boss, I move on, just like any other raider.


Once you hit three or more people are you truly multiboxing at that point?

To me, I guess the answer have to do with how many characters each person is running. For example, in the video I posted of three of us downing 25 man Morchok when he was current content, I'm not sure anyone would say this wasn't multiboxing.

That's another fabulous thing about what Blizzard has done with raiding these days! You can run however many characters as you want and the raid will compensate accordingly.


I’m still going to try and do the Butcher now that you've shown it can be done.

Great! You'll have to let us know how it goes. I posted another video this morning of me doing it alone. Let me know if I can be of any help in working out strategies, ISBoxer profiles, or whatever.


Will I make that the primary thing I do when I have time to play? Probably not.

Now that I've conquered Butcher, killing him over and over again will definitely *not* be the primary thing I do when I have time to play. I'll probably down him once a week for upgrades, then move on to the other challenges the game has to offer.

[Mercurio]

I would like to see a OpenRaid guild with some of the PvE multi-boxing teams to do some raids with. I think a lot of people would like to rotate teams through lockouts. Likely help newbie people that cannot do a lot of content mixing with other people.

I haven't used OpenRaid that much, but something like that sounds fun! Fishbeak and I were talking about something similar this weekend.

[zenga]

Yep, the change they've made to raids recently are awesome for boxing! Now you can easily PuG past non-boxing friendly bosses, then make this toon lead and get the rest of your team in to do whatever you want!
While true it kinda defeats the reason of multiboxing for me. When I started with wow I started to multibox from day 1 (day 2 technically) and I cleared all 5m wotlk content before I teamed up with someone else (mind you I only killed the first boss in 2 instances for 2 or 3 weeks in a row before I was able to kill the next one). Only killing raidbosses on my own will ever mirror the satisfaction I got after finally killing the 2nd boss in the pit of saron while being stuck for weeks there. I've enjoyed this game a lot (and still do), but nothing beats my multiboxing times in WoTLK. But the step to box raids on my own is just too big that it's not worth all the hassle for me. But I can see that it's an individual thing whether you team up with others or not.


I'm willing to bet your analyses are pretty spot on, zenga. Since you are already figuring this stuff out in your head, spend a few minutes writing it down on the forums! Figuring out a decent strategy is half the battle for raiding boxers. Maybe I'll be able to prove your strategies work!

You have me pretty good with my balls there :) But sure thing if the opportunity is there I'm happy to contribute my ideas, regardless if they work or not.

One thing I was working on in the previous expansion (when I was still using isboxer) in order to make individual movement for complicated fights easier was a mixture of healing and loading different keymaps, I'll try to illustrate with an image (mind you I forgot the exact terminology isboxer is using):

1405
- the buttons on top (12345) are loading a different set of mapped keys if you click on them (e.g. boss1, boss2, ... or phase1 boss3 phase2 boss3 ...)
- the red is your standard grid, healbot, vuhdo raid frame
- the orange zone is your standard healing broadcasting (i.e. see it on your main and your healer actually heals them)
- the blue zone is a click zone for movement that corresponds with the keymaps on top, and this can be anything tailored made for a boss or boss phase without the need to later standard macro's keybinds

Example 1 where a toon gets a debuff and needs to move out of the group:
- clickbar 2 (is that the isboxer name) is active, and loads a set of mapped keys (keymap_boss1_phase2), when toon 4 gets a debuff (visual on your grid), then by clicking(+a key) the blue area on toon 4 his unit bar moveright activates for toon 4 until released

Example 2 where you want 3 groups to go to a different spot
- clickbar 3 is active and loads another set of mapped keys, clicking in a random blue unit frame will do nothing for the tanks, but group 2 will move left and group 3 right until released

The possibilities are endless, I also had a couple of those keys which would turn other active keymaps off.
Not sure if I explain myself clear, or if you have another way of moving, but I found this to be really easy to deal with movement fights when I used it for my challenge modes in MoP. It obviously involves a lot of micromanaging, but the idea behind it could be expanded for raids (esp those where you need to run out with a debuff). If I'm talking nonsense let me know and I'll try to be more clear.

[CDNProdigy]

Thanks for putting this in writing Zenga.

Funny that you brought this up because I was currently working some theory on something very similar for my own Isboxer setup because when I went into Highmaul for the first time I found my current setup lacking and quickly got punished as a result.

Good post.

[Toned]

I boxed all the raids in WOTLK / Cata ... Skipped most of MOP after the Auto Follow change.
I typically 4-5 box in actual raid groups, so I am able to clear all the content. I have a friend that I duo'd ICC w/ playing 2x 5 boxers... was fun times.

Highmaul is pretty easy to 4box... Flex is awesome for this.

[MiRai]

Finally getting around to posting in this thread, but...

I'd consider myself pretty casual when I multibox, and if I want to do things on a more serious level, then I'd probably just play solo. Don't get me wrong, if I had a bunch of characters that were geared and ready for raiding I would definitely want to try it, but because I'm so casual I don't always get that far and I've yet to have any "raid ready" characters that I multibox in any expansion yet.

I think I just have a hard time dedicating so much time to a game these days when I feel that I can be doing more productive things, like honing my video editing skills, learning how to program, or just whatever else. I highly doubt I'll ever quit multiboxing unless it gets outlawed in every game that I'd want to do it in, but I just have generally less time to dedicate to constantly wiping over and over (although I do really like the "figuring things out" aspect of multiboxing).


It takes too much skill.
If I am the person that is being held up as being uberskilled, I beg to differ. I don't have particularly fast reactions and it is embarrassing how basic my ISBoxer setup is. I'm certain somebody like Mirai or Lax would be able to do wonders and somebody like Ellay could run circles around me in PvP.
I'm flattered. ;)

[dougie700]

I would love to be able to Raid 10man

But I think the restraints at this moment in time for me are time and resources, at the moment i get around 2 - 3 hours a day on the game, 90% of this time is spent doing garrison missions across 35 toons, yes that time has reduced significantly by using the idea's that you posted in your other thread.

I was able to do my 10 man group at the same time while i had 16gb memory (but wife's pc memory gave up the ghost and for the moment i have had to lend her 8 gig of mine (love I know :p )) and even then it struggled along, now my pc really struggles with anything over 6 accounts.

But to answer some of the questions

Raiding is too hard.
Yes and no lol, I would love to be able to raid, but in a way I think it is hard, but then a raid is something designed for 10 indivduals +, but people like yourself and other give us all hope that we van do something similar.

It takes too much skill.
yes, regardless what you say, you still need a level of skill and dexterity to move around 10 toons at once

Getting sufficient gear to get started is too hard.
This statement can be true, if I can only gave 2- 3hours a day to wow then I need to priorotise my time, spend nearly 2 hours in an LFR queue is not time well spent, as my followers are starting to get their ilvls up, the chances of getting gear from missions seems the better alternative, but seeing as i only have 6 toons at max level, and the next nearest at lvl 92 i need to spent time leveling / grinding on those.

I don't want to optimize macros.
Its not that I don't want to optimize my macro's, its that I simply do not have a clue, how or where to start, at the momment when it comes to Toons i feel I am a "jack of all classes, master of none!", which is why I rely on the posts within this forum or I would still be running around killing lvl 2 boars.

I can't afford a great computer.
Definetly not, but maybe an option for me is to upgrade my wife's, so it will run 5 accounts, but then I an knackerd when she wants on her computer lol

I guess when i first started boxing It was so that I could solo dungeons and farm mounts, yes that challenge has moved up. I am spending £100 a month now on subs for 10 accounts, and really with a baby on the way, how much longer can you justify that.

Don't get me wrong Merc, I am not having a go at you, I was just trying to answer the questions that you originally posted, as if you had asked me personally. I love the vids that you post and are a great motivator for me.

I would love to see your isboxer profile so I could see how you have set things up.

Whats the spec on your 2 pc's?

Dougie

[Mercurio]

Thanks for your very detailed reply. Helps me see some other perspectives. A couple of comments:




1) I get around 2 - 3 hours a day on the game, 90% of this time is spent doing garrison missions across 35 toons

2) Getting sufficient gear to get started is too hard.
This statement can be true, if I can only gave 2- 3hours a day to wow then I need to priorotise my time, spend nearly 2 hours in an LFR queue is not time well spent, as my followers are starting to get their ilvls up, the chances of getting gear from missions seems the better alternative, but seeing as i only have 6 toons at max level, and the next nearest at lvl 92 i need to spent time leveling / grinding on those.

3) I don't want to optimize macros.
Its not that I don't want to optimize my macro's, its that I simply do not have a clue, how or where to start, at the momment when it comes to Toons i feel I am a "jack of all classes, master of none!", which is why I rely on the posts within this forum or I would still be running around killing lvl 2 boars.

4) I guess when i first started boxing It was so that I could solo dungeons and farm mounts, yes that challenge has moved up. I am spending £100 a month now on subs for 10 accounts, and really with a baby on the way, how much longer can you justify that.

5) I love the vids that you post and are a great motivator for me.

6)Whats the spec on your 2 pc's?

Dougie

1 - Doing missions takes quite a bit of time initially. After a while when you have quite a few followers at 645+ ilvl, they take almost no time at all. I probably spend about 10 mins a day on missions for a team of ten toons now since so few of the missions are worth doing. I don't do the gold ones, my toons are purple so don't need the XP ones, and they have all the 645 gear. Really the only ones I do are the Highmaul ones and garrison resource ones.

2 - LFR doesn't take long at all. With two healers and eight DPS (I convert my tanks to DPS for LFR) my queues are less than five minutes and doing the first wing takes about 20 minutes, maybe 30 minutes for the second wing. After doing it once for the legendary quest, I typically avoid the third (one boss) wing.
One other thing, after ebony posted her message about them taking away questing whilst in a raid, I took one team of ten from 93 through 100 in about nine hours. Knowing all the quests, using exp boosting pots the whole time (they've been sitting on 93 for a while collecting 500 garrison resources every few days), and collecting lots of treasures made the leveling process blow by.

3 - My macros are posted in the following thread - I'd advise just using those as they do pretty darn well: http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/51592-WoD-6-0-2-Macro-Library

4 - That I completely understand. Real life always comes before WoW.

5 - Good, I'm happy you enjoy them!

6 - They are both about three years old, though I upgraded one with a few new parts recently:
Intel i7 920 2.67 GH
Nvidia GeForce GTX 760
Windows 7 64-bit
16 GB RAM
and
Intel i7 3930 3.20 GHz
Nvidea GeForce GTX 560
Windows 7 64-bit
32 GB RAM

One has an SSD, the other just a normal spinning drive.

Hope that helps!

[valkry]

I don't have the time to anymore. Even had to downgrade from 10 boxing to 4-5. I'm even only just gearing up my priest team now and haven't even started lvling my shammies yet. Sucks to have a more time consuming job in rl :(

[Exityz]

I am currently leveling to 90, then I will be upgrading to WOD and start raiding. However, i'm only 5 boxing at the moment untill I can get a better computer, or a additional one.

[wakasm]

Here are some reasons why I currently don't raid. Although I keep trying to get myself to a point to do it. I was really close with Cata, and feel like I'll be very close in WoD assuming I don't burn out.

Issue One:
Just general time. Working 40-60 hours a week makes it harder (for me) to get to the point of raiding. I hope multiboxing stays around forever so that the day I can have more time, I can dive right into it. I really feel like in 5 years, I'll be financially stable enough to make this happen... but until then... work is work!

Issue Two:
This is a dumb one... but the whole 8 accounts on one B-Net thing bugs me to no end. I have no idea why. Every single patch I hope to see they increase this to 10. I feel like it this happened, I would put in 200% more energy into trying to raid. Even though I have a second bnet account (well 4 with diablo), there is just something about knowing that a lot of my account specific stuff won't work with my other bnet account always deflates me a little bit.

Issue Three:
I don't feel I am a great MMO player. Even though BC, WoTLK, Cata (skipped MOP), and WoD so far, I've been able to clear most 5-man content... I always feel like I'm gimped by my game knowledge. Macros are almost always someone elses. I research a lot of stuff, but it's almost always someone elses. I learn more about playing the game from peopel multiboxing than I do from PLAYING the game. I feel like this limits me as far as even simple things, like boosting my DPS, or playing smarter. It's not just a lack of effort... I just think that a lot of gaming things come more naturally to others than it does to me as far as being elite goes. I do the best that I can, but find out people are doing it 3 times better than me. I am not sure if it's a mechanical skill thing, a mental one, or what.

Issue Four:
I feel like I am always 2 steps behind in the multiboxing software (isboxer). Whenever I get stuck, I generally can solve the problem mentally, but struggle implementing it in the software. This is where people like Mirai and Lax come in and constantly make me feel like I'm a noob (which is a good thing), because they solve these issues inside the software that I can only solve conceptually outside of the software. It's very polarizing to know there is a better way to do something, but not to be able to implement it, just to find out there was an easy way to implement it.

Issue Five:
I get too caught up on completion-ism sometimes. And when I try, I try too hard. I'm definitely a try-hard lol. WoW Achievements do not help this.

Issue Six:
I play too many other games. This is probably the biggest soul sucking aspect, which is probably related to issue one (being time). My gaming backlog is so long... and sometimes that gets me demotivated, which is usually when I take a break form multiboxing. (But I always seem to come back)

Issue Seven:
I think I'm too slow. If it takes you 9 hours to level, then it probably took me 18. I am not always keeping my eye on the most efficient way of doing things. Which probably seems counter-intuitive to how a multiboxer is.

[Vayku]

From past experience I had alot of struggle in character positioning.
This mostly endorsed me to stop boxing all together, and due to School etc I had no time or was either not in the mood to setup Bindings specific for my chars. I have been researching for quite awhile now and plan on trying to raid with my boxers. I soon will give it a go again for sure!

I just recently started playing again, and I wanted to step it up alittle by starting to Multibox again.
The first time I had multiboxed was back in 2012, I asked for a trial and was in love that right after I bought the product. Hopefully I could try it out once more since lots have been changed back from 2012.

Vayku

[Shania]

I still only raid on my main Hunter and solo, as in in a guild but not with my boxing toons.

Basicaly no one on Oceanic Realms that Box, and if any do, they are very few and far inbetween.... /sad

And I am just not skilled enough or have 10 accounts (i have 5) to solo 10 man raid, can probably do ok on 2-3 ranged dps, that be about it.

[valkry]

I still only raid on my main Hunter and solo, as in in a guild but not with my boxing toons.

Basicaly no one on Oceanic Realms that Box, and if any do, they are very few and far inbetween.... /sad

And I am just not skilled enough or have 10 accounts (i have 5) to solo 10 man raid, can probably do ok on 2-3 ranged dps, that be about it.
I still box, on frostmourne

[Bodom]

For the first time since LFR came out I encountered another multiboxer in LFR a few days ago. I've been running LFR almost every week since it came out with multiple teams and people comment on it in almost every group (when they notice, most of my characters have different names/classes and transmogs so they don't look like typical multibox teams), so I'm guessing PvE multiboxers are incredibly rare.

If I had 10 accounts I'd definitely try soloing raids, at least the easier bosses. Would be fun. I've currently got 3 and now with WoW tokens I'm almost tempted to get another two accounts for heroics and challenge modes, but I'm not sure if I could handle tanking and healing at the same time.

[emitchell109]

I cant wait to take my toons into LFR just for sh!ts n giggles.

[Hor]

My thoughts require a little bit of background, first I started boxing in EverQuest - long, long ago. Initially it was an easy way to farm some AAs and items in places where few people still hunted in those days. Then World of Warcraft came along a few years later and I made the switch, in BC I started boxing with Keyclone (I had done purely hardware boxing in EQ) and was in love with the concept all over again. At the time I was suffering from raiding burnout, having been in a couple of progression guilds through the meat grinder that was Vanilla raiding. Possibly spending an hour each night summoning food and water contributed to my disatisfaction with the concept, anyhow... BC was all about me, not the raid.

I was doing Arenas and running Heroics basically, though by the end I was running Karazhan and Gruul's a bit as the itch had returned. Wrath came along and I came out of the gates swinging, I powered up my DK and joined my four Ele Shamans wrecking Heroics for a while. Raiding changed drastically at that point though, and suddenly I and a few close friends could clear raid content instead of 40 people just to get a chance at a few bosses. I kept boxing the Heroics for a while, but as I became more in demand as the guild's main tank and raid leader I lost interest in boxing. I did take a couple of Shamans from to time just to add a little extra oomph to our DPS. Or, I'd bring an offtank sometimes. But generally, I was much more interested in focusing on the raiding itself.

I quit the game in Cata, and stayed gone throughout MOP. I didn't come back until WoD was released, and I almost didn't come back then. So far I haven't raided at all, I've spent my time doing solo content exclusively and found that when I play the game on my own terms I love it. I don't know that I could ever really go back to raiding, but I'm definitely coming back to boxing. Having said that though, I'm not sure I could raid while boxing either. Maybe in LFR, maybe. But I don't have any experience with that. My experience with raiding through Wrath and Cata was Hard Modes and Achievements, and it's frustrating enough when some dink doesn't move out of the fire. I'm not sure I could keep my own completely out of harms way in tougher fights, so I wouldn't feel right forcing others to play around me like that.

I have however met a couple of boxers on my server already (Blackhand US), so the possibility of tag teaming some content is there, and fairly appealing honestly. Beyond that, I doubt I'll do much in current raid content until I'm soloing it for xmogs and mounts.

[confusedtx5]

Thought about it many times, and I'd love to try it one day.
I already progression raid mythic solo on my elesham (8/10). This takes a large time investment already. raid multiboxing would take more. And I work full time. (Christmas holiday project maybe?)