WoD 6.0 Macro Discussion

[Lyonheart]

So with the removal of the ,o,o,o,o,o macros, were left with old fashioned /castsequence and swap bar type macros. As well as software solutions. Its going to be interesting to see how we adjust to the new systems in WoD.

Does anyone in beta have any macros they would like to share that will work in WoD?

[Khatovar]

I boxed just fine using regular macros for the last two expansions {since they removed the original comma sequences}. I don't think there's going to be much of a difference for most people since they just wait for someone else's macros and copypasta them.

Now if someone could just convince me the expansion isn't going to be a ginormous waste of money for PvE multiboxing, 'cuz damn I miss my girls. :(

[MadMilitia]

Another nail in the multiboxer coffin.

I'm solo boxing now but I'd be super pissed if I was 5 boxing. What was once a simple WoW macro now has to be much more elaborate in isboxer. I think others that aren't as elaborate might be finished.

But in isBoxer you can manage it. Just add more conditions to your keypress and resets. Have it try different things at different steps, with timer conditions. That will work.

Still, feels like now it's stepping outside of the terms more than ever. Bleh.

[Selz]

Well

I never understud why people like those 0,0,0,0,0 macros.
Before I quit, I used the Mosg2 Manifesto way. Sure there are some classes that are difficult to macro that way, forexample mage.

But I highly recommend people to check that out, if you havn't already!
Every multiboxers I showed it too, never looked back on 0,0,0,0,0 macros.

Good luck guys :)

[MadMilitia]

Well

I never understud why people like those 0,0,0,0,0 macros.
Before I quit, I used the Mosg2 Manifesto way. Sure there are some classes that are difficult to macro that way, forexample mage.

But I highly recommend people to check that out, if you havn't already!
Every multiboxers I showed it too, never looked back on 0,0,0,0,0 macros.

Good luck guys :)



That method uses up a lot of action bar real estate. So if you had some conditionals on your master but you swapped around a lot so your master changed, it could get very crowded. That and delays weren't awesome with lazy macros but they were passable.

I had maybe 2 keys on the action bar to spare before 6.0. So now, adding each individual cooldown to its own keybind makes that load bigger, not smaller.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I never understud why people like those 0,0,0,0,0 macros.
Not everyone is using ISBoxer.

[Xixillia]

I boxed just fine using regular macros for the last two expansions {since they removed the original comma sequences}. I don't think there's going to be much of a difference for most people since they just wait for someone else's macros and copypasta them.

Now if someone could just convince me the expansion isn't going to be a ginormous waste of money for PvE multiboxing, 'cuz damn I miss my girls. :(


Pretty much everything here.

[luxlunae]

Not everyone is using ISBoxer.

Sounds like that's a mistake at this point!

Anyone who would like help converting a O,O,O system to like a pro in isboxer should hit up the chatroom and i'll try to help.

[MadMilitia]

You don't need isboxer to do what they're talking about though it couldn't hurt if you were using it already.

Just use logitech software or synapse if razer to spam cast multiple keys on a single keystroke.

I've managed to convert most of my rotation over. Now I'm just working out conditionals. All in all though, my cooldowns stay down pretty good.

[Khatovar]

Not everyone is using ISBoxer.

I don't use ISBoxer and I never touched those 0,0 macros.


Sounds like that's a mistake at this point!

Personal opinion. I'm perfectly happy with HotKeyNet and have been for years. I really wish people would stop with the "You're an idiot for not using ISBoxer" mentality. This site is for multiboxing not just multiboxing with ISBoxer, and talking **** about everything else out there is not cool. It puts new users off and is pretty insulting.


Just use logitech software or synapse if razer to spam cast multiple keys on a single keystroke.

Be careful with this - I don't recall my Naga having the ability to send multiple keys without delays and adding delays becomes automation. Ditto with repeating keystrokes. Not specifically for you, but the disclaimer needs to be there for other people who might google their way in here.

[MadMilitia]

It would be incredibly small minded and naive for Blizzard to think nobody playing WoW uses the synapse or logitech software that way.

IsBoxer has delays, by the way. Just put a timer in before each step disallowing it access to the next step for an arbitrary amount of time ( whatever suits you ).

This crusade they are on to disallow people with handicaps more accessibility through macros is crazy but they'd have to be insane to go after the people who leverage the manufacturer software that came with their device. To them I say good luck with that.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

It would be incredibly small minded and naive for Blizzard to think nobody playing WoW uses the synapse or logitech software that way.
Absolutely. About as small-minded as thinking that people don't get banned for abusing those features. ;)

IsBoxer has delays, by the way. Just put a timer in before each step disallowing it access to the next step for an arbitrary amount of time ( whatever suits you ).

Put in a "Do not progress to the next step for 5 seconds" option
Press button once
Observe current step's button is pressed
Wait 5 seconds
Observe absolutely nothing happens. At all. Like, period. Complete lack of activity. Dead on arrival. Ebola victim.
Swith over to your programmable device.
Program key with an initial action (action "A"), a 5 second delay and then a follow-up action (action "B").
Press key
Observe action "A" happens
Wait 5 seconds
Observe action "B" happens automagically!


See what I did, there?

[MadMilitia]

No, honestly not sure what you are trying to say.

When you check 'Do not progress to the next step for' and give it a value, it means you can spam click that button that entire length of time and it won't go to the next step. If you take it one further and check the box that says 'And only trigger once' it will only send the actions once, regardless of how fast or how often you repeat the step.

If you exceed the time listed in step one it then goes to step two.


FYI, the day they ban people for using LCore or Synapse, which comes with gaming hardware is the day they are publicly ridiculed and deserted.

[Ualaa]

With IS Boxer, every event (output) is a direct result of an trigger (input) on the users end.
The output occurs at the same time as the input.

You can force a key to not advance, for a duration.
But you still have push the key manually once the duration has passed.

If you're not at the keyboard manually pushing the buttons, nothing happens.

[MadMilitia]

With IS Boxer, every event (output) is a direct result of an trigger (input) on the users end.
The output occurs at the same time as the input.

You can force a key to not advance, for a duration.
But you still have push the key manually once the duration has passed.

If you're not at the keyboard manually pushing the buttons, nothing happens.

Right. I'm referring to the delay that occurs in the event someone is spam clicking the button.

As far as I'm concerned whether you use a keydown ala synapse or spam clicking your finger joints into oblivion makes no difference at all in how you play. One is certainly less stupid and less painful though.

Bottom line is this is just a matter of accessibility. Unlike the bot routines that handle all your interrupts, procs and rotations for you, this is simply handling a predictable rotation without visiting the doctor every month for a knuckle injection. You still have to tend to that rotation frequently to play optimally. It just allows you to do it with fewer keybinds.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

As far as I'm concerned whether you use a keydown ala synapse or spam clicking your finger joints into oblivion makes no difference at all in how you play. One is certainly less stupid and less painful though.
Your opinion and judgement of the stupidity of an action has zero bearing on how game companies treat people employing those actions. As someone that suffers moderate carpal tunnel issues, I completely understand the point about accessibility. Unfortunately, there is no "accessibility" exception for botting mechanics, the definition of which has been exhaustively clarified.

[crisdan]

Sounds like that's a mistake at this point!

Anyone who would like help converting a O,O,O system to like a pro in isboxer should hit up the chatroom and i'll try to help.

I have about 4 maybe 5 total that I truly care about. If i log into chat I will look for you. If you could help me convert one that would be a great working example for me to do the rest.

Will be looking for you later Lun!

;)

[luxlunae]

Cris:

Mostly converting from lazymacros to pro is breaking it up into separate named wow macros (with different keybinds)that fire at almost once in the same step:

/cast A

/cast B

/castsequence C, null

The place where that gets trickier is dots, and someone recently did a really clever post on how he handles dots using isboxer plus the ingame reset feature,you might want to take a look at this:

http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6204&p=28750#p28749

It just depends on what you are trying to accomplish :)

[Khatovar]

When you check 'Do not progress to the next step for' and give it a value, it means you can spam click that button that entire length of time and it won't go to the next step.

While I don't personally agree with the nature of timing, I can't find much issue in an action NOT being sent to the game. Really, you're blocking an action to ISBoxer and it's kind of hard to see much difference between blocking a step from progressing and blocking which client receives a keypress like in round robin broadcasting at that point.


If you take it one further and check the box that says 'And only trigger once' it will only send the actions once, regardless of how fast or how often you repeat the step.

So will the ingame macro of /castsequence reset=* spell, nil


If you exceed the time listed in step one it then goes to step two.

Ok? This still doesn't resemble automation as found in the macro software in gaming mice/keyboards that I warned against. You are just trying to use a similar-sounding function to build a pro-automation argument. There's a difference between a response to "Do this" that comes back "I can't" {ISBoxer} and the response that comes back "I'll do it later," {true delays aka wait commands/automation}. ISBoxer has "repeating" too, that doesn't mean because it's ok to duplicate a keystroke to 5/10/40/800 windows once per press, then it should be ok to send a series of 5/10/40/800 keystrokes to one window per keypress.


FYI, the day they ban people for using LCore or Synapse, which comes with gaming hardware is the day they are publicly ridiculed and deserted.

They don't ban simply for using the software, they ban for violating the game's rules. Pretty much any answer ever given by blues {and many other game companies} on stuff like this all include the words "As long as it stays within the ToS."

You, as a multiboxer, should know the difference between good touch and bad touch seeing as we argue day in and day out how multiboxing isn't botting and we don't use automation. If you don't, here's The Rules Thread (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/49138-Dual-Boxing-com-Community-Rules-Read-Before-Posting) and here's the Blue Posts Thread (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46453-Blues-on-Boxing).

You are trying to create a grey area where automation is ok, using multiboxing as precedent and disability as moral justification. There is a No Tolerance Policy here on discussion that advocates for violating the rules of the games we play. We've got enough drama around us as it is.

So let me spell it out since people are going to come to this thread in droves looking for answers on how to do macros for WoD -

Automation is not the proper response to creating macros, dealing with game changes or any other multiboxing problems.

[Fat Tire]

FYI, the day they ban people for using LCore or Synapse, which comes with gaming hardware is the day they are publicly ridiculed and deserted.

I am with you, but this forum has to be pc and tow the tos line. Play how you want, just cant always post about it.