Blizz says I cannot "advertise" dual-boxing.com?

[Xaedra]

(See one of my posts below for Blizz's response to my question)

After an "argument" with someone earlier about how I am not "cheating", I got to thinking...

Am I actually allowed to respond to someone with a link to Dual-boxing.com/V-boxing.net/faq for information on multiboxing? This conversation as an example:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/2586/reportedea0.jpg

I know I was a bit harsh at times, but that guy had been bugging me for nearly 10 minutes. I just got to wondering if Blizz could ban me for "advertising" dual-boxing.com

If someone asks me what I'm doing, accuse me of cheating, or being a bot, I can direct them here without any trouble?

[Vyndree]

I know I was a bit harsh at times, but that guy had been bugging me for nearly 10 minutes. I just got to wondering if Blizz could ban me for "advertising" dual-boxing.com

If someone asks me what I'm doing, accuse me of cheating, or being a bot, I can direct them here without any trouble?

Yes you can. It would be much the same as you linking Wowhead or Thottbot if someone wanted to know how to do a quest. You're not soliciting illegal behaviors or products so you're fine. :)

You can also report people who harass you, like you mentioned above. Multiboxing may not be against the rules, nor playing multiple accounts at the same time -- however verbal harassment is very much against the rules. ;)

[Xaedra]

Thank you, Vyndree :)

[Vyndree]

No problem. I enjoy ending conversations with something along the lines of:

[Vyndree] Multiboxing isn't against the rules, but verbal harassment is. This is my final warning - please do not contact me again unless you have something constructive to say. Any further harassment and I will be forced to ticket a GM. Have a nice day.


If they continue, mark down the name of the harasser, the method (whisper/say/general chat/trade chat), and the server time that you sent your final warning message and include them in your ticket to the GM. Showing the GM that you did in fact warn the person to stop harassing you and they continued, and giving the GMs all the information they need, will greatly speed up the process. :) I've never had a repeat offender using this method. ;)

[Xaedra]

I may have to macro that! LOL -- It's only happened like that once, but I have a feeling it will happen again. It's so strange, though. I NEVER got this type of attention multiboxing blood elves, or dranei. I guess my gnome girls just stick out :( Especially since they all look exactly alike, and everyone usually notices the names right away.

Oh well. I like playing this way, that's all that matters!

[Xaedra]

I had sent a ticket in to CS about this, just to get their take on it. I did not speak to a GM as I wasn't online when they replied, but this is what they wrote:

Answer: It could be considered a violation of policy to advertise that website so I would not advise it. However, you could refer them to the world of warcraft policies page http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/.

Soo, now I'm confused. This is what I was afraid of, advertising a website and getting banned because of it. However, you multiboxers who have been playing for a long time have always referred them to these websites and have not been banned yet, but I still don't like the GMs response. How else am I supposed to inform someone that I am not "cheating" or a "bot" if I cannot tell them about these websites?

I just sent in a ticket with the following:

I sent in a ticket about this earlier, but I am confused about the answer I got. A repeat -- I am a multiboxer, and occasionally I get called a "cheater" or a "bot" -- I want to inform these people, as I am not either of them. I asked if I could inform them by having them go to dual-boxing.com and the answer was "it could be considered a violation of policy to advertise that website, refer them to the world of warcraft policies page." How is that website against policy when dual-boxing is legal?

I would have written more and explained it better, but they limit how much you write in that box.

[Zite83]

Be on the safe side, I would just say google dual boxing... I know for a fact this site is the first site on the list...

[Ellay]

or when you answer them do it via /tells and say something along the lines of to answer your question www.dual-boxing.com can help. I usually go this route as I am responding to them in a chat like manner.

[Xaedra]

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1347/gmku3.jpg

Now what do I do? I can't link them to dual-boxing.com, nor can I tell them to google dual boxing. So, when someone asks what I am doing I am supposed to ignore it? Argh.

[Vyndree]

There's a difference between advertising and answering someone's question.

If you were to run around a major city spamming the URL without provocation, then sure. I can see how that's advertising.

If you are responding to a whisper in a conversational manner, I see nothing wrong with recommending an online resource for clarification.

If you are super concerned, why not link them a post directly on the official World of Warcraft forum? Like Belfaire's post ('http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5288579356&sid=1') with the URL of http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5288579356&sid=1 -- that way you'll be using an official world of warcraft source.

In fact, if you want further clarification on whether or not your use of external websites during conversations, why not post on the Customer Service forums on the official WoW forums? The GMs there are pretty good at reponding to questions -- and I find their responses are a bit more thorough (and you'll also have a lasting record that isn't just screenshots) compared to in-game ticketed GMs.

[BucketBot]

Hi. This is my first post here, but I wanted to throw out my two cents on this matter.

You are going to have a hard time getting a GM to tell you that it's ok to tell people about a third party site because then everyone would be running around advertising everything and they would just say that the GMs said they could if someone questioned them. As long as you are in a conversation with someone who asked you a question you will not get in trouble for referring them to an outside website. Look at the kind of people who do the most talking in the game. Kids who do nothing but talk about Chuck Norris' balls and call everyone a gay n00b. If they never get banned you're not.

Don't worry about it. If someone talks to you that way again report them. Especially if they threaten to report you. It's stupid. You wouldn't get in trouble for that when they're the one bugging you.

[Jubex]

I get reported constantly and i get told that im getting reported just as much. So far they haven't said anything that would warrant me to put in a gm ticket. I did get abused when i killed a horde (Bright red lvl to my girls) who attempted to kill a buddy who was nearby and didn't notice me. He came on an alliance account and yelled at me for an hour rerolled a few times cause i kept putting him on ignore. I opened a gm ticket after the third reroll.

But in general im pretty thick skinned and most of the things they were saying wasn't phasing me. People always ask about duelboxing and i refer them all the time to keyclone and this website.

[Kicksome]

Just get used to the harassment and ignore it or spend time arguing with people about it. I do some of both depending on my mood. I have NEVER been contact by a GM or had any problems from bliz in the slightest. I must have been reported 100's of times. I probably miss 75% of the stuff being said about it.

When people say "I'm reporting you for botting - hope you had fun because your accounts will be gone tomorrow". (and I get this type of tell a LOT)

I just respond with "Go ahead. You think I'd be level 70 with this gear if I was doing anything against the TOS? lol - Learn to read the Bliz posts on wow forums". And leave it at that. 50% of the time they start asking "well how do you do it? " All the sudden they turn nice. then I'll say - dual-boxing.com has all the info.

When they respond with some other crap I just say - "I don't care what you do - but just stop bugging me - I've probably been reported a hundred times by noobs like you. Read the bliz forums" Then I'll ignore sometimes.

Then they usually follow up with personal attacks like "You are such a loser" etc... Which of course is stupid since they are playing the same game and have probably played 100 more DAYS /played than me - which I usually point out.

I get spit on by horde ( I am alliance) all the time. I get tells from people all the time saying all sorts of things that could be hurtful to someone. I'm not the type who actually gives a crap, but I'm sure it bothers some people - which is understandable. But it comes with the territory. I also get a lot of positive feedback too - which is always nice.

-Kick

P.S. - if someone really pisses me off with personal insults I just mark their say as spam x5 or report them AFK in a BG x5 as they try and argue with me. It makes them stop real quick.

[anpe91]

Its not advertising if he ask you what website you got it from.

[Wrex]

I dont really have a comment on topic here, but I would like to say...... 3 pink haired gnome girls called bippity boppity and boo

I LOVE it hahaha.

Great names dude.

[Wrex]

On second though, after reading the whole thread, I do have a comment:

"Don't feed the trolls."

[Diamndzngunz]

I loled at this. Some people in WoW need to DIAF

[Xaedra]

I dont really have a comment on topic here, but I would like to say...... 3 pink haired gnome girls called bippity boppity and boo

I LOVE it hahaha.

Great names dude.LOL Thank you :)

[alereavis]

I get reported or threatened by people to be reported all the time, usually a whisper to every toon I'm playing. I ususally just ignore the person but on occasion I find someone who is interested in why and how I'm playing multiple toons. I usually refer them to the policy link and tell them about dual-boxing.com. I don't see how telling someone where I found information in a whisper can be seen as advertising. I have on several occassions been issued an ultimatum something like "Ok, I know that you are running those clones and I'll give you a break this time. Pick one to use and stop cloning or I'll report you for breaking the ToS." My response is macro'ed these days... "Feel free to report me if you feel it will enhance your gameplay however dual-boxing is not against the ToS and any GM you talk to will explain that to you. On another note "Harassment" is against the ToS and further threats from you wil be reported in kind x 5."



P.S. I may just have to start a 5 man on Argent Dawn just to see Bippity, Boppity and Boo !!!

[Spudgun]

Hats off to the names. Superb!

[Hotnutz]

@ Bipity

No worries if you are using in a manner like Vyndree stated. GM's are doing a job they have to answer things a certain way.

A GM can't "RECOMMEND" anything that Blizz doesn't have controll over because they don't want to be held responsible if the dual-boxing website had things against the TOS.

They refer you to the policies that way they don't have to get all legal on you, they basically make sure you have been informed on the rules and you make the decision from there.

[Xaedra]

Feel free to report me if you feel it will enhance your gameplay however dual-boxing is not against the ToS and any GM you talk to will explain that to you. On another note "Harassment" is against the ToS and further threats from you wil be reported in kind x 5."Another thing I'm gonna macro. Thanks! I always have trouble coming up with the best way to say it, and thats pretty good. Thank you!

And thanks for the name compliments. I love their names :) I am just sad that "Boo" without the ó was taken.