Who's up for a sleepover?

[Alzuule]

so from the latest threads and from a quick chat with lords i got the feel that there are multiple people either considering or have decided to try out this multiboxing corp thingie :D. Im up for it for sure and could be ready in Amarr in a few days with my ships when/if it goes down. For those who dont know what im talking about then Lord's Servant is trying to get together some multiboxers for a WH corp with focus on multiboxing pvp.

So i just wanted to know exactly who else will be joining so far so i/others can see how many are joining and what they are planning on bringing.

Update: VENIO. is now running and has a good base of members, we have already had a fights with multiple serious WH entities and are pretty active, lacking a bit in the mid-late US timezone but working on it. Join Oatmeal for more info and to hang out :-)

[LordsServant]

Lord's Servant: Multiple dread pilots, carrier pilots, booster, and various assorted subcap chars +6 hurricane chars. ~15 at current count. More later.

Alzuule: 10 combat characters, 1 link alt, 1 logi/scout ( im also hoping to bring along some long time eve pals, they dont multibox ( yet ) but atleast one of them are looking into it )

TheHamBurglar ( unless you were planning on staying alone in that c4->c5/c3 ):

Updated List.

We should focus out training to specific points.

I think for pvp training towards a t2 hurricane once you've got the other stuff sorted is a good thing.

For starters and PVE, VNIs can easily run the c3 static for newer guys. More experienced guys can run c5 sites, and tbh I bet with multiple multiboxers we could run c5 sites in even larger fleets, even with lower SP.

Ofc, multiboxers with plenty of characters could run c5 sites as well. Idea is also to hopefully get some pew through the c5 with other WH entities.

We can also use the c3 to get static low or nullsec entrances, and depending on where they are, go for some fun roams. :)

Ingame channel is Oatmeal, and ingame corp is "Everlasting Vendetta." - yes, the dot is included. Lucius Ornulf is CEO (ignore his bio, was from before I bought the char).

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Everyone ideally needs to be able to have their own POS, or bunk up with a small group of others to split costs.

I can temporarily provide lodging for a limited number in my own POS so they can get sorted, but this is not permanent.

This is for security reasons - due to how messed up POS roles are, and to remove the chance of corp theft, everyone has their own POS and ONLY they have access to it.

The ONLY other exception is myself, who has CEO roles.

Noone will have the roles to take down POS, so noone's stuff can get stolen.

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Single boxers can also ofc run c3 sites solo, or form fleets of their own, etc etc. We should have plenty of space and sites for everyone - just roll the static if you need more sites to run, but ensure everyone knows.

We can set all this stuff up if we can get enough people who're up for it.

[Alzuule]

sounds good lords, im training all combat characters to be flying the pvp arty cane atm which should be done for all but 2 in 20 days. After that im probably going to train them into lokis or ham legions for serious WH fights, atleast untill the day that i get all the shorter trains done on all of them so i can take the time to train into sleipnirs ( darn ccp changing the skill req for command ships ).

Also i posted a thread on the ISboxer forum in case there was anyone there who would be interested but isnt registered here http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6166 hope you dont mind :P

Update: Hey lord's, got a friend of mine thats getting into multiboxing, he wants to bring all his characters which is 8, 6 of them are pretty new alts which are going to join. The last 2 are his mains which he wants to stay in the corp they are in ( snuffbox ), would it be possible to have those 2 set blue so he can join fleets and what not?

[LordsServant]

We've got a few guys in Oatmeal right now, looks like we're gonna be doing this. :)

Join us in channel "Oatmeal" or post here.

Everlasting Vendetta. is the CORP, not another channel. ;)

[gomeler]

I might be interested in this. I had intentions of bringing my multibox army into my main's corp to act as DPS backup when we get blobbed, but this could be a lot of fun.

Where would we be living?

Would we be blue with anyone?

What TZ are most people? I'm USTZ.

I'd be able to bring 5x VNI/domi pilots, 2x basi pilots, 1x loki/tengu/broadsword(my cloaky scout), 1x tengu(my cloaky salvager). I play a couple nights a week, but I prioritize pvp on my main. That could change though if we routinely get gudfights.

[LordsServant]

Where would we be living?

Wspace primarily, in our own cushy WH with plenty of space and towers for everyone.

We would also be doing suicide ganking in hisec for fun/profit, and the occasional low/null roam.

Would we be blue with anyone?

No, except perhaps temp if something comes up.

What TZ are most people?

USTZ it seems, I'm USTZ. We can do euro too, I play in that as well.

My priority is PVP as well - I want us to have fun pvping. We can definitely get a fight at least every other day I hope - if we have lots of people running c5 sites, we can roll the hole pretty often to get new sites - also pvp.

[TheHamburglar]

Yea i'm down, the c3 i went through had their corp log in and roll the HS static so i was stuck in khanid so I couldn't get the logistics train rolling in time. I have about 7 combat ready for at least VNI, 1 loki booster Mainly Gallente skills ships, guns ect.

[LordsServant]

Yea i'm down, the c3 i went through had their corp log in and roll the HS static so i was stuck in khanid so I couldn't get the logistics train rolling in time. I have about 7 combat ready for at least VNI, 1 loki booster Mainly Gallente skills ships, guns ect.

U still have a c4 c3/c5?

If we can move into that one, then we can start tehre until we find a c4pulsar.

Log in and join channel if u can, so we can chat. I have ts3 as well.

Anyone who needs ts3 evemail lords ingame with your forum name.

Join Oatmeal.

[TheHamburglar]

U still have a c4 c3/c5?

If we can move into that one, then we can start tehre until we find a c4pulsar.

Log in and join channel if u can, so we can chat. I have ts3 as well.

Anyone who needs ts3 evemail lords ingame with your forum name.

Join Oatmeal.

No I went searching for another route, found a c5 w C5 static cataclysmic

[TheHamburglar]

Alright tonight were looking at J145424 (https://eveeye.com/?opt=ICPS&x=r&system=J145424) and J221855 (https://eveeye.com/?opt=ICPS&x=r&system=J221855) so far. I still have a few more to check out.

[LordsServant]

Alright tonight were looking at J145424 (https://eveeye.com/?opt=ICPS&x=r&system=J145424) and J221855 (https://eveeye.com/?opt=ICPS&x=r&system=J221855) so far. I still have a few more to check out.

c1 static is meh.

2nd one has a c4 static, no c5, so meh for pvp and meh for pve.

Also, magnetar is slightly meh.

Also, what's your ingame name? And are you in channel "Oatmeal"? I never know if you're on or not. :P

What are the other oens?

[LordsServant]

Check MOTD on Oatmeal channel ingame for info.

Evemailing me is VERY important.

[LordsServant]

Crosspoasting the MOTD of Oatmeal channel here.

This is important



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ITS HAPPENING!


Multiboxers, check forums for updates. (you're on forum right now) WH is being sourced at present, and I hope to have things squared away in the next 24-48 hours.


Those of you who can, get a POS kit (At least Medium Tower, prefer Large, + fuel + stront + Corp Hanger Array + Ship Maintenance Array) ready to go with hauler(s) in trade hub of your choice (Jita, Amarr, Rens, Hek, Dodixie.....) - Jita or Amarr are suggested. Amarr or Caldari POS are also suggested.


If you cannot finance your own POS at this time, please let me know so I can figure out temporary living for you.


The only way of being "safe" from corp thefts in wspace is for everyone to have their own tower, or shared tower with trusted friends.


You will need your own(or work out a shared one) tower eventually. No exceptions.


Everyone involved in the project needs to evemail Lord's Servant with the following info:


-Do you have a POS or arrangements with someone who does?
-Number of Characters / List of Characters
-Approx Skill Level (Eveboards really helpful here, will figure out API stuff shortly)
-"Main" character and/or easiest way to reach you.
-Any further questions or comments. I'm happy to answer. :)


If you don't understand some of the terminology in this, just ask someone in channel, or ask me in your evemail.


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[Eckhe]

I want to join up to do something like this in the future. But at the moment i only have two accounts active and the funds to use those.

[Alzuule]

you are welcome to join with 2 accounts :-)

[LordsServant]

you are welcome to join with 2 accounts :-)
This.

while we want t invite all multiboxers, ppl who don't necessarily multibox are also more than welcome to join.

[bugme143]

A447/AayJay Crendraven/Nolak Ataru finally posting. 8 dps 2 logi 1 OGB ready and willing to sign on to this.

[TheHamburglar]

I want to join up to do something like this in the future. But at the moment i only have two accounts active and the funds to use those.
If you can train up for a Venture mining frigate(They cost about 230k) and Gas Cloud mining if you can, Huffing the gas before the sleepers arrive is a good money maker with those and its not a long train like 18 hours. Gas Prices (https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/gas.html) helps and it shows you what a full Venture frig with a ore bay full of gas is worth. Mine the gas sites as they come up if you cant clear the sleepers when they spawn ask one of us to help. I might start some t3 production again if I can get enough materials.

[LordsServant]

its happening.

We have a hole, moving in now.

Get to amarr.

Convo lords, get in fleet, get on comms.

[Perrigrin]

I have all accounts but my main tied up in a mining/freighting op at the moment, but could join solo boxing on my main (in a drake) - very much a newbie though.

Question - I am in high sec at the moment, never been in anything else - What are the odds of me making it to you guys alive in a Drake? (and back should I need / want to)?

[Alzuule]

Getting in wont be a problem since we have a c3 static, which means we often get openings very close to tradehubs and with only 2 wormhole jumps to get in/out. Drake will be okay for starting out in c3 for site running and for pvp cheap ewar frigs/cruisers are a good way to start out ( easy to get started multiboxing as well ). C3 sites are really good for multiboxing when your characters are very new, takes about 3 weeks from scratch to get into a decent setup for running them.

[LordsServant]

I have all accounts but my main tied up in a mining/freighting op at the moment, but could join solo boxing on my main (in a drake) - very much a newbie though.

Question - I am in high sec at the moment, never been in anything else - What are the odds of me making it to you guys alive in a Drake? (and back should I need / want to)?

Would be very difficult to run sites as a newbie without multiboxing some stuff, even in a c3.

You'd be p. likely to reach us alive in a Drake, it's somewhat quiet from the c3 side of things.

We're still moving stuff in, but got a few guys in and it's starting to feel very homey with our POS up. :)

[Perrigrin]

If it's only 2-3 weeks to train some stuff up I could get another 2-3 accounts to 3/4 box, would that be enough?

[Alzuule]

it would, i would probably run something like a spider tanked drake/myrm/prophecy setup

[Crayonbox]

spider tanking drakes doesnt work due to their fitting limitations ( trust me ive tried )
myrms can work but their fitting is still pretty tight.
prophecy works for spider tanking but their damage is the lowest out of the 3 ships.

[Alzuule]

hmm i remember when i first tried WHs back when they were first released, we used to do c3 sites in spider tanked drakes ( 4 of them ), i guess drake fitting power have changed since then

[Perrigrin]

I think I might take this to the chat channel in game, but what is "spider tanking"? ;) and if that dont work, what should I compliment my drake with?

[Althanear]

I definably want to be a part of this but cant really afford to my any or my "Main" characters at the moment. that leave me with 6 venture pilots as all i have left and no ability to further their training at the moment due to having next to nothing ISK. Are there many AUTZ people interested in this or would I be a lone wolf if I were to join?

[gomeler]

I think I might take this to the chat channel in game, but what is "spider tanking"? ;) and if that dont work, what should I compliment my drake with?

For the C3 sites, passive tanked drakes work fine but you'll have to warp out quite a bit on some sites if you want to run solo. That being said, anything with at least ~30k shield EHP(as in, 30k EHP IN shield) with 50-60% resists I can keep alive if you were to tag along. That being said.. I don't see myself running C3 sites much longer. It might be possible to have a T1 battlecruiser tag along in C5 sites, I'd have to see how I handle those solo to start.


I definably want to be a part of this but cant really afford to my any or my "Main" characters at the moment. that leave me with 6 venture pilots as all i have left and no ability to further their training at the moment due to having next to nothing ISK. Are there many AUTZ people interested in this or would I be a lone wolf if I were to join?

For the ventures, with the C5 static, you should be able to hoover up c320/c540 in sufficient quantities to not be poor. Especially with 6 ventures. I think each site has something like 200m of gas that you'd pull in pretty quickly. A few of those and you're bankrolled for a PvE fleet. Not sure what your main characters are up to, but unless it is high sec incursions, you should come to w-space =)

[Alzuule]

instrumental gas sites have about 300m worth of low volume high value gas and is easily cleared by a multiboxer that can run c5 anoms, ill usually clear any instrumental and vitals ( the second best gas site ) when im running anoms but leave the gas huffing to others.

[Althanear]

For the ventures, with the C5 static, you should be able to hoover up c320/c540 in sufficient quantities to not be poor. Especially with 6 ventures. I think each site has something like 200m of gas that you'd pull in pretty quickly. A few of those and you're bankrolled for a PvE fleet. Not sure what your main characters are up to, but unless it is high sec incursions, you should come to w-space =)

My main characters are currently capital pilots and being used out in sov 0.0 so i'm not moving them away at the moment. I do really need another way to supplement my income so if I could get the venture pilots making ISK on gas, I could then afford to dual training on the accounts to further their training.

[Jacobsalt]

My current mains are occupied but i have decided to reroute training on 13 of my new accounts from the humble bundle code to be more wormhole friendly. How much gas do we find in general, especially from the c5s? The characters were originally going to be procurer -> napoc pilots for a second incursion squad but I am no longer certain that I wish to continue that path. How hard is it to find enough gas to plex 13 accts over the course of a month with isk for pvp?

[TheHamburglar]

My main characters are currently capital pilots and being used out in sov 0.0 so i'm not moving them away at the moment. I do really need another way to supplement my income so if I could get the venture pilots making ISK on gas, I could then afford to dual training on the accounts to further their training.


For the Vital Core and Instrumental Core gas sites if you are able to clear them of gas and sleepers your looking at about 400m in gas per site, plus whatever sleeper loot and salvage.


This is for maxed skill venture about 5 - 6 day train on new a account. Clear time would be better with Orca or Rorqual booster and mind links.
Vital core is about 80m per 5 ventures in 1.5 hours to suck all the gas
Instrumental Core is about 80m per 5 ventures in about .75 hour to suck all the gas

[gomeler]

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=VitalCoreReservoir
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=InstrumentalCoreReservoir
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ore/gas.html

Should get you some specifics if you are interested in gas harvesting.

[Mokoi]

With 20 characters who can gas mine, im known as the huffer in our hole. I do not make enough money to plex my accounts on gas alone, you may have 1 in 4 or 5 holes with a full gas site on it. Gas huffing is quite common, so don't expect a bil of gas sitting in every static you will roll into.

[Althanear]

With these changes coming to cap ships this WH operation is looking better and better every day.

[Crayonbox]

With these changes coming to cap ships this WH operation is looking better and better every day.

I was thinking the same thing. Fucking ccp. Change is needed but... jesus christ on a pogo stick.

[LordsServant]

With these changes coming to cap ships this WH operation is looking better and better every day.

This. (in class right now, can't talk too much)

Fuck yes. This is an EXCELLENT change - it puts wspace at the very top of the food chain tbh.

We can appear out of nowhere with overwhelming force, and then vanish just as quick. Short of having the bad luck of being in range of a bunch of hostile capitals, we're incredibly unpredictable.

We also have the added bonus of it actually COSTING our opponents something tangible to drop caps on us via a cyno instantly.

Anything else, and we can force hostile positioning on caps with well placed bubbles and easily extract/vanish back into wspace.

ESPECIALLY as multiboxers - we can show up with well coordinated fleets at the drop of a hat anywhere within hostile territory.

Almost entirely for trolling, we could RF moons or even random sov (lol) for shits and giggles(with tons of isboxed bombers or w/e) and make nullsec groups absolutely MISERABLE. ;)

Being in a nullsec group is gonna suck hardcore post patch - best place to be is wspace.

I also anticipate more nullsec groups trying to use wspace as a highway between areas due to the massive nerf in the old "titan bridge freighter/jump freighter logistics" meta that currently dominates nullsec.

We'll be there to gank their logistics runs, freighters scurrying thru c5 space, and maybe even get some fights with escort fleets.

I'd love to see a nullsec group try and run a bunch of orcas from a nullsec off our c5, through our c4, and into HS from our c3.

Wspace is gonna be a HUGE source of content - both in us creating it, and it coming to us. ;)

[Jacobsalt]

This. (in class right now, can't talk too much)

Fuck yes. This is an EXCELLENT change - it puts wspace at the very top of the food chain tbh.

We can appear out of nowhere with overwhelming force, and then vanish just as quick. Short of having the bad luck of being in range of a bunch of hostile capitals, we're incredibly unpredictable.

We also have the added bonus of it actually COSTING our opponents something tangible to drop caps on us via a cyno instantly.

Anything else, and we can force hostile positioning on caps with well placed bubbles and easily extract/vanish back into wspace.

ESPECIALLY as multiboxers - we can show up with well coordinated fleets at the drop of a hat anywhere within hostile territory.

Almost entirely for trolling, we could RF moons or even random sov (lol) for shits and giggles(with tons of isboxed bombers or w/e) and make nullsec groups absolutely MISERABLE. ;)

Being in a nullsec group is gonna suck hardcore post patch - best place to be is wspace.

I also anticipate more nullsec groups trying to use wspace as a highway between areas due to the massive nerf in the old "titan bridge freighter/jump freighter logistics" meta that currently dominates nullsec.

We'll be there to gank their logistics runs, freighters scurrying thru c5 space, and maybe even get some fights with escort fleets.

I'd love to see a nullsec group try and run a bunch of orcas from a nullsec off our c5, through our c4, and into HS from our c3.

Wspace is gonna be a HUGE source of content - both in us creating it, and it coming to us. ;)

That was my first thought as well. Glad im training a new squad to move in with the corp lol.

[K'man]

This was just an idea I had but it would be neat to have a blogspot say from blogger hosted by google which is free. Something in the lines of a post dated update in regards to achievements, pvp activity, our purpose of the wh corp strictly for multiboxers and/or question posts. Of course it would not be used for future things unless it was a general question for the public but it would be neat to track what has happened. For example the date it was conceived, we now have X amount of members, things are going great, this multiboxer took on x amount of hostiles, etc..

I thought it would be neat. What do you think?

[LordsServant]

It's a thought, but most of that info is already in the public domain.

PVP activity is easily measurable by the killboard.
Purpose is obviously pvp.
We're not strictly for multiboxers, we've got at least 2 non-boxers already in corp, with another likely on the way.

Date it was conceived is relatively easy to see based on http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Everlasting_Vendetta. (just look for the membership spike).

Things are always going great, and I fraps almost all my pvp(and make videos of the good stuff) so that combined with killboard stats should show most of our fights.

Not quite sure what purpose it would serve, beyond compiling all info in an easy to see place (which I could do by linking the other stuff in corp MOTD if I wanted).

This thread also does some of that. ;)

[K'man]

It's a thought, but most of that info is already in the public domain.

PVP activity is easily measurable by the killboard.
Purpose is obviously pvp.
We're not strictly for multiboxers, we've got at least 2 non-boxers already in corp, with another likely on the way.

Date it was conceived is relatively easy to see based on http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Everlasting_Vendetta. (just look for the membership spike).

Things are always going great, and I fraps almost all my pvp(and make videos of the good stuff) so that combined with killboard stats should show most of our fights.

Not quite sure what purpose it would serve, beyond compiling all info in an easy to see place (which I could do by linking the other stuff in corp MOTD if I wanted).

This thread also does some of that. ;)

Like I mentioned would be neat idea but not necessary.

[LordsServant]

Wspace heating up.

Shit is going down - look at all the capital fights happening this month. Where are they? Wspace. :)

Come with us, and we can show up and 3rd party these things in a gilablob.

Not to mention we'll be able to force project anywhere in eve post patch given how awesome WHs are-- they move us around the galaxy without jump fatigue! ;)

BREAKING NEWS!

http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?144-Wormhole-Space-(147-posts-deleted-and-counting)&p=1179753#post1179753

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2i5255/ssc_vs_adhc_the_76b_isk_fight_for_carthage/

[Crayonbox]

rename corp to suddenly reavers and ill join.

because thats what wh corps will be.

[Mokoi]

I brought my griffins and vigil to Carthage for the shits n giggles with SSC. The only entrance was a frigate hole? ok... I can't fly bombers on active characters... LOL

[Alzuule]

Today i accitentionaly got myself into some pvp, it didnt go as well as it could have but it certainly turned out better then i expected when it would when it started.

we were sitting on TS, i had just logged on after a based nap and lords had just left for work, its just me, gunner jordan ( a singleboxer that joined ) and vamp.

Vamp goes "theres a proteus after me in the c4"
>I hurry up and log in my pve gang consisting of 8 gilas and 2 basis to try and safe him, its only 1 proteus what could really go wrong?

>I hurry a bit too much and my main character ends up being in a helios when i fleet warp to the static, np its just one proteus i wont need to assist drones cause there will be only 1 target ( rest of my gilas have no active mods apart from DCU ). Gunner follows in a shield geddon.

>I get to the c4 which is open into our static c3, jump through and find about 7 t3 cruisers, a vexor, a phobos and a falcon sitting there waiting.

>I realise i dont have watclist set up for logi and some of their mods are still misplaced and that my main doesnt have anything to use for drone assist.

> I figure i might as well try, so i launch drones and throw them at the cexor which is pretty much 2 volleyed by the 7 gilas hammerheads. After which i try to take down a proteus which warps away in hull, then a legion which jumps, i realise logi is just sitting doing nothing and the armageddon is getting pummeled hard by them

> I try and get watchlist running while telling the armageddon to go jump through which it managed to do in low hull.

> I get logi set up and jump after him, they jump with me right away.

> On the other side i try to lock up the armageddon, cant cause i only added my own squad to watchlist like a moron.

> Armageddon dies right as i click to activate shield transfer, after which both of the logi are jammed and i give up managing them and try to kill as much as i can.

> Somewhere in between now and start 2 guardians arrived and now i dont burn through them quite as fast as at first, i manage to kill the falcon, but both logi are dead or dying. I end up killing the phobos whereafter i manage to warp 2 gilas back to home WH, the rest jump through back to the c4 and warp between safes for 10 minutes.

Was totally unexpected, i totally panicked but it was kinda totally awesome apart from the part where we lost stuff due to me being dumb :D

Final tally is aprox 480m killed and 500m lost ( not including some cheap pods )

[gomeler]

Congrats on handling a bad scenario well. The amount of time it takes to be prepared with isboxer is daunting, and like you found out the slightest of mistakes blow up nasty.

Have you considered broadcast vs watchlist for your logi? I switched to broadcast and it makes it simpler when I need to rep someone who isn't my alt.

Shame you didn't have any tackle, sounds like you could have torn them up nicely.

[Alzuule]

yeah i want to set up for broadcast with clickbars and all, just havent gotten around to doing anything about it yet but i most certainly will.

[Dynamite874]

What Alzuule fails to mention here is was that I was in a T1 hauler with a cargohold only worth 35 million. Then somehow I survived all of this after watching scary T3s on a gate for about 40 mins trying to scan down gilas :D.

[Crayonbox]

the thing about ISboxer pvp is that redundancy is imperative. If you break or lose anything, you need to be able to still keep things relatively still going.

[Mokoi]

My first few WH fights went a bit like this, although I whelped a fleet of Gilas completely once, and I have come out on top a couple of times, but both I seemed to have the same excitement and panic mix you had. It's what kept me playing EVE.

[K'man]

Battle report?

Good job handling the scenario considering the situation could of gone very bad. Overall it seems you got some good experience and will make changes to your layout which we can learn from.

[Alzuule]

hehe well the number 1 thing i need to improve is how i get my logi to relock everything after being jammed... so far its just been watchlist where i quickly tabbed to logi to do it but today i started setting up for using broadcasts which should be alot better when jams are a thing and especially if i need to rep more then i can have locked at one time. And of course i need to not be in my pve ships when doing pvp. And preferably have a offensive mod on all characters to make drones go forth.

Thing with battlereport is that some kills were on one side of the WH while others were at the other side so there wont be a smooth battlereport like you see in kspace.

https://zkillboard.com/related/31001042/201410041700/o/%7B%22A%22%3A%5B%5D%2C%22B%22%3A%5B%2298226561%22% 5D%7D/

Ignore the 2 killmails of those electric church, not sure who they are or where they died but its unrelated however i cant remove them.

The other basi died on the flip side of the hole, which is where the vexor died too.

[Jacobsalt]

hehe well the number 1 thing i need to improve is how i get my logi to relock everything after being jammed... so far its just been watchlist where i quickly tabbed to logi to do it but today i started setting up for using broadcasts which should be alot better when jams are a thing and especially if i need to rep more then i can have locked at one time. And of course i need to not be in my pve ships when doing pvp. And preferably have a offensive mod on all characters to make drones go forth.

Thing with battlereport is that some kills were on one side of the WH while others were at the other side so there wont be a smooth battlereport like you see in kspace.

https://zkillboard.com/related/31001042/201410041700/o/%7B%22A%22%3A%5B%5D%2C%22B%22%3A%5B%2298226561%22% 5D%7D/

Ignore the 2 killmails of those electric church, not sure who they are or where they died but its unrelated however i cant remove them.

The other basi died on the flip side of the hole, which is where the vexor died too.

You dont actually need a weapon mod as that can gimp your fit. If they are locked (which you would need to do anyways to use weaponry, just press f and have it broadcast to all clients the drones will attack whatever they are focused on. I usually use drone assist myself though.

[Dynamite874]

If anyone is thinking of getting new toons into wormholes I would recommend it. I am making about 200 mill in a evenings work, from my new accounts.

I started running sites with 5 VNI alts, my 30 mill sp main in a VNI and 2 ospreys. The toons where only 8 days old when I first completed a site.

[moog]

I am making about 200 mill in a evenings work,

Give us some context, though... how many accounts in how many hours?
Looks like 8 accounts?

[LordsServant]

Give us some context, though... how many accounts in how many hours?
Looks like 8 accounts?

8 accounts, each with <1m sp (by far).

Show me where else you can make 200m in an hour or so with that many accounts in less than a week? ;)

[Dynamite874]

5 DPS (VNI) + 2 LOGI (OSPRAY) + Main (VNI)
8 Days old when I first started, now around 16 days old and I can pull around 200m an hour if there are enough c3 sites. This is without salvaging, only looting.

[gomeler]

5 DPS (VNI) + 2 LOGI (OSPRAY) + Main (VNI)
8 Days old when I first started, now around 16 days old and I can pull around 200m an hour if there are enough c3 sites. This is without salvaging, only looting.

That's doing pretty good for how young they are. My guys are at 4.3-4.4m SP with 5x DPS + 2x LOGI and in a C3 I'm pulling ~450m/hr tops, usually 400m/hr average. Last night in a C5 I was managing ~600m/hr but I direly needed Bouncers, spent so much time chasing battleships with low dps valks.

[Dynamite874]

Well mine can all pull off curators in a hour :D.

[gomeler]

I just need bouncers in the C5, as a lot of ships come in at 80-100km and my curators optimal is only ~58km. In a C3, curators were the ideal compromise in a VNI.

[Jacobsalt]

I just need bouncers in the C5, as a lot of ships come in at 80-100km and my curators optimal is only ~58km. In a C3, curators were the ideal compromise in a VNI.

I presume you used gilas in the c5 instead of the VNIs? still a ways out before my batch of dudes joins up.

[LordsServant]

I presume you used gilas in the c5 instead of the VNIs? still a ways out before my batch of dudes joins up.

M8, we had Vamp running c3 sites with only a handful of vexor navies and t1 logi in about a week from fresh trained characters.

There is no "ways out."

There's only prepared to take the plunge, or not.

We can help you get setup to be successful whenever YOU are prepared to come in, regardless of your SP level or experience - thats why we have the WH we do. EVERYONE can make isk or do something, regardless of SP or experience, you just need to be willing to give it a go and listen to advice.

Worst case, you can be like that one dude with 5 accts who I swear we got from here, but never says anything and loses silly exequror fits to lvl 4 missions in hisec. ;)

We're hoping someday he'll say something in corp chat and be ready to move into the WH. :P

[Dynamite874]

We can always hope :P.

[Mosg2]

I successfully boxed C5 sites with two T1 logistics. Provided you have a pre-link EHP of 40k, you'll be fine.

Don't get me wrong, it's stressful because of how quickly a ship will burn, but totally doable.

[gomeler]

I successfully boxed C5 sites with two T1 logistics. Provided you have a pre-link EHP of 40k, you'll be fine.

Don't get me wrong, it's stressful because of how quickly a ship will burn, but totally doable.

What were your resists? I'm guessing 80% or above? Only way you can make T1 logi rep enough effective EHP/s to stay alive.

[Jacobsalt]

M8, we had Vamp running c3 sites with only a handful of vexor navies and t1 logi in about a week from fresh trained characters.

There is no "ways out."

There's only prepared to take the plunge, or not.

We can help you get setup to be successful whenever YOU are prepared to come in, regardless of your SP level or experience - thats why we have the WH we do. EVERYONE can make isk or do something, regardless of SP or experience, you just need to be willing to give it a go and listen to advice.

Worst case, you can be like that one dude with 5 accts who I swear we got from here, but never says anything and loses silly exequror fits to lvl 4 missions in hisec. ;)

We're hoping someday he'll say something in corp chat and be ready to move into the WH. :P

Yeah Lords I know that, when I meant ready I meant "able to realistically plex the twelve accounts with something other than sweatshop slavery :).

[Dynamite874]

Well my Logi just began the train in Caldari Crusier 5 for a basilisk. :D

[LordsServant]

So, a little update for anyone wondering how the corp is doing:

We're fully moved in and secured in our WH, which is a c4 pulsar with c5 and c3 statics.

Everyone seems to be doing well, with POS's set up nicely, and ships moved in.



TheHamBurglar: about 7 combat ready for at least VNI, 1 loki booster Mainly Gallente skills ships, guns ect.

New Father: 6 combat alts, 1 month from flying 2 guardian/4 VNI ( +2 potential high sp ooc alts ) EU TZ to early/mid US

crayonbox: tentative 12 toons US TZ

Nolak Ataru: 8 dps 2 logi 1 OGB


Of the original list, those are the only ones who haven't joined yet for various reasons. We've also picked up a few other folks who weren't on the original list.

Corp is now over 83 people: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Everlasting_Vendetta.

We've been taking it slow, and getting everyone familiar with wspace and making isk. So far, the response seems incredibly positive with our resident low SP multiboxer, Vampire Huunuras, being able to run c3 sites for isk with characters packing ~7d of training.

We also have a random dude 5x box who joined corp and doesn't say anything ever, but he occasionally loses exequrors of questionable fitting to missions in hisec. We're not sure how to take this, but I'm letting him stay for now. ;)

As far as pvp, things have been relatively slow, but today we made a concerted effort to form up a decent sized fleet just for the lulz since we had active c5 guys down the chain.

They ended up not fighting us, so we reinforced one of their pocos, and knocked down another NPC one: https://zkillboard.com/kill/41949513/

Doctrines are decently sorted, but we do need to work on being able to field numbers in our cheaper doctrines.

We're still definitely looking for more people - both multiboxers and single boxers interested in the wspace lifestyle who are willing to pvp. Again, SP is of no concern - you don't need to "be ready" or "wait til I have lots of SP" - all you need to do is be willing to listen to advice on what to train and how to run things.

PVP is looking to shape up more often soonish now that we're getting a rhythm (and I've finally sorted most of my isboxer issues) and I anticipate us starting our first invasion within the month - we have the numbers, and at least one other major wspace group is on board for it as well.

If you're looking to join and want to have a chance to make some isk and get acclimated in a peacetime environment, joining sooner rather than later is suggested - depending on how the first invasion goes, more will follow, with this being a regular thing for us to get lots of fights(seriously, as pointed out by the ppl whose hole we were in today - very few people want to fight a 30+ man fleet - but when you're getting invaded you have no choice). :)

Our first, last, and only blue will be unblued in ~24h when my last character that was in that corp leaves.

tl;dr - Still going strong, come join us for a chat in oatmeal. :)

[Crayonbox]

stop pointing me out you fucker :P

[TheHamburglar]

Whelp I was trying to buy an Alliance but they guy stopped responding once I brought in a third party. Been playing Shadow of Mordor while waiting on a couple dps characters to get shields and sentrys to at least get close to the others, and playing market games before the patch hits

[CDNProdigy]

We're still definitely looking for more people - both multiboxers and single boxers interested in the wspace lifestyle who are willing to pvp. Again, SP is of no concern - you don't need to "be ready" or "wait til I have lots of SP" - all you need to do is be willing to listen to advice on what to train and how to run things.


I'll join your corporation! I'll look for you when I am online and also back from a business trip.

All of you are more than welcome to tell me what to do and what to train for PvP. (I've got no clue and would save me 4,000 hours of research) ;)

[giryan]

I'm in :D
It might take a little while before I've sorted out wrapping up my corp's POS(in a C3 atm) need to get the guys to shift their crap out of it. :)


But once that's done I'm up for moving, I've been frustrated with the lack of sites in our C3->LS for a while.

Is there anyone doing PI in the WH atm? one of my corpmates has just maxed out his PI skills and will probably continue playing.

[gomeler]

Not sure if anyone else is doing PI, but I plan on tackling multiboxing PI this weekend. Or, at least, finding out if it is feasible.

[Althanear]

It is feasable. I run PI in a C2 and make nice ISK off it for fuck all input. Depending how things go after this expansion I may come and join you with my 9 accounts.

[Alzuule]

Hello! for pvp train gilas/myrmidons and hurricane for multiboxers and something that can tackle real good with a heavy shield tank for singleboxers is what need the most atm. Today we had 2 pvp fights with without losses but with few kills due to lack of tackle. No one is doing PI so far afaik and the WH isnt all that great for it but i believe tax is going to be set real low to make it viable for those who want to, and the c3 makes it alot easier to get a highsec exit to haul to.

Join Oatmeal if you have any questions and/or wanna hang out :P

[LordsServant]

Hello! for pvp train gilas/myrmidons and hurricane for multiboxers and something that can tackle real good with a heavy shield tank for singleboxers is what need the most atm. Today we had 2 pvp fights with without losses but with few kills due to lack of tackle. No one is doing PI so far afaik and the WH isnt all that great for it but i believe tax is going to be set real low to make it viable for those who want to, and the c3 makes it alot easier to get a highsec exit to haul to.

Join Oatmeal if you have any questions and/or wanna hang out :P

This, and here's the BR I wrote for FHC about those fights. :)


So, just got 2 dunkastic fights in the same WH, against 2 different groups.


First one was us (VENIO) vs Arctic Light. They brought the standard armor t3 fleet, and triage. I was slightly worried because our numbers were slighty low, and with triage I didn't think we're be able to break anything.


Luckily, we were in a black hole. I started off by blapping one of their Phobos, and then started pulling range. Their t3s chased us, but thru lots of target swapping I was able to blap one of their proteus.


As we continued to pull range, I firewalled their drones, and we were lucky enough to have another proteus chase us out of rep range - he got shredded quickly.


Eventually, they got smart and parked on their WH back and started shooting my drones. I was still able to kill things - except they jumped back thru the WH before they died. I took a zealot, lachesis, and sevearl t3s into deep hull this way.


They ended up realizing they couldn't break us, and the reinforcements I'd been pinging for showed up - another ~15 gilas and basis.


We gf'd in local and they took their remaining t3s and archon thru the hole.


Screenshot During Fight:
http://i.imgur.com/YZ8t2U7.jpg


BR:
https://zkillboard.com/related/31002483/201410281500/


Second fight, we had rolled the arctic light hole after they left (it was crit) and I was running sites.


Snails and Frogs started poking around with t3s and some stuff, so I figured I'd bait them out. I continued running sites, and after I was abt ready to give up on baiting them, a sabre landed on me and bubbled up.


A t3 gang began landing, one MUCH larger than I'd anticipated with multiple guardians. I called for the rest of the guys to warp to me, and we dropped the rest of the gilas + RR in on me(I burned in direction of our hole, so they landed on me at 0 at edge of bubble).


Before my gang landed, their dps was so high they were breaking my basilisk's rep, even with overheated hardeners AND reppers AND max vulture links. Luckily, reps landed right as I began to break half armor on one basi, and things evened out.


Once reps evened out, I was able to focus on calling targets and applying dps. Initially we only had a few gilas on field due to me expecting your average ~10 people. I wasn't able to count how many they had, but thru lots of target switching I was able to burn down a proteus. They had surprisingly stronk reps on the guardians as well, but thru more superior target switching and FCing, we were able to begin breaking things before their reps could cycle (lol subpar armor, shieldreps masterrace). They saw the writing on the wall, and were able to pull range and bail.


GF :)


No screenshots or w/e, was ultra busy trying to ensure my basilisk survived.


0 losses, 2 kills:


https://zkillboard.com/related/31002483/201410281700/


All in all, a nice day of GFs (altho sadly not a huge amt of kills) with some other wspace pvp entities, and a good way to get on track and show people what we're (VENIO) is capable of. ;)

I also want to add - our tengu pilot was fucking awesome. Mad props to toad enders - absolutely mad both those fights for us. :)

[Dynamite874]

Well we had one loss, but that was my logi in a ospray dieing to rats after the fight :P. Other than that I can say flying with VENIO. is the most fine I have had in a long time :D!

[giryan]

I'm seriously tempted to just get my main out to you while I wait to wrap up my old corp's POS.

I finished training so I can fly HICs last week, and I'm dying to use them :D

[Dynamite874]

Yes we need Tackle, one of our problems with that second fight was that we could not lay points on everyone. Those pimped Guardians where really fast and the only ships with points where our mains and they only had disrupters on.

[LordsServant]

The two things I DEFINITELY srp right now are our RR ships, and any proper tackle/ewar ships (neut geddons etc).

Fly rr ships, awesome tackle ships, or other utility ships and it's cheaper for you to do so. ;)

Also, we're being properly rebalanced so Wspace will vastly out-earn incursions finally, rather than just being near equivalent:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/scc-set-to-increase-prices-on-sleeper-salvage/

[Alzuule]

tl;dr it seems that c3 sites will get another 15m blue loot per site on top of the current 30m which i'd estimate to probably be near a 30% buff to income from c3 sites which are soloable and easily multiboxed.

So now is the perfect time to join us in VENIO. with your character team ( or just a single well trained character ) if you arent running c5 sites already :D

[LordsServant]

I'm seriously tempted to just get my main out to you while I wait to wrap up my old corp's POS.

I finished training so I can fly HICs last week, and I'm dying to use them :D

Plsssss.

We need hictor pilots badly. We dunk shit incredibly hard, but then they run away, and we get less kills. :(

If we could run 3-4 HICtors per fleet with a healthy sprinkling of web lokis we'd be in good shape tbh. :)

[LordsServant]

We need more of the following:


-tengu pilots
-loki pilots
-armageddon/bhaalgorn pilots
-barghest pilots
-onyx/broadsword pilots
-lachesis/arazu pilots


We don't have any official SRP yet, but the corp wallet exists to be spent. I can guarantee that SRP is prioritized for the above shiptypes, and not necessarily dps ships. ;)


We need these BADLY!

Join today!

[Dynamite874]

So today has been a interesting one. First we incapacitated all the modules on a SCUM pos to try and get a ransom, when that failed Lords and Aluzule just ran all of their sites :P.

Then we had a engagement with a Astero shooting someones MTU's which was quite fun as we had to hunt him down :D. https://zkillboard.com/br/12729/

Finally when scanning I found a C5 with the hostile alliance [HOLE] living inside. I got tackled by a sabe in an cov ops and Toad came to my rescue in a Legion who was promptly stranded inside of the hole when a sizeable T3 / T2 cruiser gang came after him.

As Lord says we need more people, be that singleboxers or multiboxers, if you want to have fun in wh and be able to take almost all of the fights we ever receive then you can find us in "Oatmeal".

Vamps

[LordsServant]

So today has been a interesting one. First we incapacitated all the modules on a SCUM pos to try and get a ransom, when that failed Lords and Aluzule just ran all of their sites :P.

Then we had a engagement with a Astero shooting someones MTU's which was quite fun as we had to hunt him down :D. https://zkillboard.com/br/12729/

Finally when scanning I found a C5 with the hostile alliance [HOLE] living inside. I got tackled by a sabe in an cov ops and Toad came to my rescue in a Legion who was promptly stranded inside of the hole when a sizeable T3 / T2 cruiser gang came after him.

As Lord says we need more people, be that singleboxers or multiboxers, if you want to have fun in wh and be able to take almost all of the fights we ever receive then you can find us in "Oatmeal".

Vamps

This. Only reason we didn't wreck them was because I had left to go to college for a few classes.

I'm back now and ofc they're inactive. :(

We can pull incredibly impressive numbers in excess of most wspace groups (we had almost 50 characters in fleet earlier today) already, but we need to polish our comps with more utility ships - like the ones I listed above. It doesn't matter how badly we can steamroll the opposition when we can't hold them down. The snails and frogs fight had almost 2b in kills from just 2 ships. If we had been able to hold their entire ~20man gang, we very well could've killed a supercarriers worth of very expensive internet spaceships. :)

So far, whenever I've been online since sorting my multiboxing setup, there hasn't been a fight we couldn't take.

Our USTZ is slightly weaker than our EUTZ atm - we need to work on numbers there, but we can still field appreciable numbers, just can't take on the bigger groups atm.

Come by and join us in "oatmeal" ingame for a chat. ;)

[Dynamite874]

Since Lords has not posted it yet :P.

Here is a BR, written by Lords on the engagement we had last night.


So, after SSC were complete pussies this morning, a real wspace pvp corp decided to give us a call.

I had been chilling irl with my roommates, and came back to a pile of pokes on my TS.


Something about a moros and pvp.


So, I hop back on and see what's happening to be greeted by a flurry of "LAZERHAWKS IN CHAIN!"


I'm invited to a chat with some LZHX guys by one of my members, and it seems they're looking for pew. Like any good pvp group would(*cough cough*), I happily oblige and say give us a minute or so to form up.


We rapidly form up a ~30m fleet (bit late TZ, but its a saturday and we've got a lot of guys still around, so we get decent numbers) and prepare to get a nice brawl.


I send a scout thru our hole to see whats going on, but said scout doesn't see anything at all. I tell everyone to get ready, and ask the LZHX guys where they are. They respond "brt."


I warp our fleet to the hole, and suspecting them suspecting a drone fleet, I take precautions - we're packing Lord's Servant in a neut curse, Gunner in a neuting geddon, and I tell our boxers to ensure that gilas can trigger off of 3 different ships in our fleet.


This last bit would prove to be our undoing, and ultimately, cost us the fight.


We jump in, and LZHX is sitting there all setup and pretty. Despite decloaking my vulture first, when I decloak the rest of the fleet, they instantly primary Lord's Servant (not very nice) in the curse.


My curse, due to just jumping in, is out of range of our RR, and unfortunately is blapped in very rapid order.


Everything else gets in rep range tho, and I order drones to assist up. At this point, things go slightly wrong for us.


I begin triggering onto various legions (yeah, legions in shield fleet) and notice that they're not taking much damage at all. In the meantime, we're apparently bleeding navy vexors (pilot didn't have gilas yet) which are instapopping and getting neuted by Legions, while we're not breaking anything due to their 6 or 7 basilisks.


I quickly tap through my gilas, and notice that only half of them are triggering, with some kind of bug having half my drone assist menus open without being assist to boge. I double check with everyone else, and tell everyone to ensure their drones are triggering properly.


I begin manually fixing this, and lose a gila while I'm tabbed out doing this. With things mostly fixed, our triggering is now doing the proper dps, and I'm able to begin dropping things to 10-20% shields before they begin pulling reps. I swap a bit more, and am able to shred a legion in very rapid order.


Reps begin stabilizing a tiny bit, but we're still having problems with them being able to pull reps. Their basis are luckily (for them) 40 off surrounded by a Rokh and Typhoon keeping them alive, so I'm unable to remove them. Our geddon gets killed by alpha and is unable to neut out their firewall protecting their basilisks.


Reps are still holding somewhat well on the tanked gilas and other tanked stuff on field, but we're really unable to field the dps to kill what they have on field. I rapidly swap thru targets, and even though several hit armor or even hull, I'm unable to break anything conclusively. Thru some more swapping, and what I can only assume was a piss-poor late broadcast, we're able to kill a loki.


With that, we're not breaking their dps, and I've lost a drone or two from errant smartbombing - and due to that same technical issue with isboxer, I'm unable to properly reassist drones.


I give the call to bail, and we lose a few more ships on the other side of the hole.


Overall, mad props to LZHX for bringing it - always good to have more pvp groups in wspace willing to brawl and not be pussies.


BR:


https://venio.zkillboard.com/br/12929/


Things that lost us the fight:


-Isboxer issue with drones assisting. Lack of dps until half of it was dead anyways. :P
-Jumped into them, few things had issues on reapproach with reps.
-Some of the fits weren't exactly right. This was a big factor in our reps not holding as well as they should've.


Things to change:


-Do more proofing for multiple triggers in isboxer before trying to do it live. Having 50% or more of dps doing nothing definitely cost us the most in that fight.
-Ensure ships are fit as dictated by corp fittings. Tank is VERY important. We had too many active hardeners, and I made a poor decision in allowing the vexor navies.
-Do some thinking/proofing on range of reps/time to rep on jumpin, or consider how we engage in future.


Things that went well:


-Their firewall was useless beyond stopping us from alphaing basis through effective battlefield perception by myself.
-Ewar was entirely ineffective against fleet as predicted, only effect was neuting off active hardeners of their primaries. This was a fitting issue, not a hostile ewar issue.
-Logi ships/setup performed very well. Just need to tweak a few things and ensure rest of fleet is tanked well enough.


Other than that, lots of fun all around, and glad to be getting more GFs with the bigger groups now.


Hopefully we'll meet more groups willing to pew, and less that whimper softly in their control towers when we come knocking.


Very GF LZHX, let's do it again soon!

Would just like to add that we all very much enjoyed the fight and we intended to have many more fights like this :D.

[Mosg2]

Lords calling SSC pussies; Noted.

[Crayonbox]

hot drop inc :P

also mosg, your sig reminds me of a quote somewhere
"sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" or something like that. haha

[EaTCarbS]

dem be fight'n words!

[Alzuule]

Lords calling SSC pussies; Noted.

watcha gonna do about it? :D

to be fair afaik ssc only had lke 10-12 people online that i could see at the time apart from tankys 11 ventures so maybe you just didnt have the numbers.

[LordsServant]

Lords calling SSC pussies; Noted.

I thought this was mostly clear, but I'll say it again.

There's two people I respect in the entirety of SSC.

It shouldn't be hard to guess who those two are.

Rest of SSC is p. much blobby trash from most of what I've seen with very few rare exceptions.

The ADHC eviction greatly increased my respect for them, but that was all rapidly removed the other day.

What I received:

-Smack in local
-Smack in public channel
-A retard trying to shoot my vulture with garde IIs from 100 km away (protip, gardes don't hit that far)
-Noone daring to come within 50km of me for over an hour while I waited for a fight with fleet ON THE HOLE.

What I didn't receive

-A fight
-An explanation
-A "hold on we lack numbers, we're forming"

They just had a fight literally 5 minutes before we formed up, so there is no excuse that noone had pvp ships or you weren't formed up.

As one pvp group to another, you typically give an explanation "hey we don't have the numbers right now, give us 45m to ping for a few more," or a "hey our guys are tired and we don't have the stuff to fight you atm, maybe next time."

Smacking in local and keeping a group waiting/expecting a fight for over an hour is reminiscent of hisec wardec pubbies and similar trash, not a wspace pvp entity.

Next time we connect, I expect a prompt response to whether or not we can get a fight. You can expect the same from VENIO, always.

[Dynamite874]

Not to mention they then got annoyed when we rolled the hole, so we could get on with other things.

[LordsServant]

So, crosspoast of BR.


So....


We had a scout down the chain (not gonna name said scout) who mentioned that hostiles had a couple caps, an armor t3 fleet, and NOT in a POS. Also, everything was reinforced.


Said scout also had no prop mod on their covops, and nearly died to sabre when jumping into said hole, it would take 2 more attempts to get into said hole with scout (and then sabre came within 1k of decloaking anyhoo).


We formed up a pretty solid fleet, bunch of gilas (with proper and slightly improved fit), 2x tengu, 2x basi (we were low on rep #s for engaging caps), vulture, etc etc.


We move down the chain, and we figure I'll bait them out with just the 2 basi, vulture, and my gilas. Rest of fleet holds 1 jump out.


I tell our scout to drop combats as I jump my gilas in.....and watch the WH collapse.


Wat?


Turns out, said WH was crit, and I just jumped 7 gilas in with absolutely zero support.


FML.


Sabre bubbles up, and I immediately drop drones and try to pop it while slowly moving out of the bubbles.


Armor t3s start landing, and despite having no trigger, my planning for manual control comes into action.


https://venio.zkillboard.com/kill/42248262/


Blap, 1b isk t3 down.


I go to start hitting other stuff, but gilas begin dying due to no reps or bonuses, and their caps begin landing, meaning I kill nothing else.


I manage to save a pod and 1 gila as the bubble goes down briefly.


BR:
https://venio.zkillboard.com/br/13529/


RIPRIP.


So, always check your WH states kids, even if you assume the scout would notice and tell you long before you actually form up a fleet and go burning down the chain :P

[LordsServant]

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=384876&find=unread (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&t=384876&f=2934&q=5198367)


Below you will find a list of idea's I'd like to see added to help encourage people. I've gone through a few steps to get here. So feel free to comment. I'd rather people be constructive. if you don't like them or disagree thats fine but say why and explain it.


Numbers and stuff aren't final, so please don't get in to a huge long thread of questioning tiny details. Should any of this happen it would be altered mostly by CCP.


I've also removed a couple things that have already been done (increase isk in C1 to C2 due to blue books)


Mini escalations


These would be added to C1 to C4 along with different ways to trigger them.


C4 Bringing 6+ cruisers/battlecruisers, or 4+ battleships (including t2 versions) or a capital would trigger the mini escalation of 2 sleeper guardians adding approximately 50m to the site.


C3 Bringing 6+ cruisers/battlecruisers (or t2 versions), or 4+ battleships (including t2 versions) or a capital would trigger the mini escalation of 1 sleeper guardians adding approximately 25m to the site.


C2 Bringing 4+ cruisers/battlecruisers (or t2 versions), or 3+ battleships (including t2 versions) or a capital would trigger the mini escalation of 2 sleeper defender adding approximately 12m to the site. (I think)


C1 Bringing 3+ cruisers/battlecruisers (or t2 versions), or 2+ battleships (including t2 versions) or a capital would trigger the mini escalation of 1 sleeper defender adding approximately 6m to the site. (I think)


These could be done twice (same as C5 and C6 escalations) by bringing either double of one type or two different ones.


Faction sleeper spawns (commanders)


These would have a chance to appear whenever a mini escalation or normal escalation is done. With the sleeper commanders increasing in difficulty from C1 to C6. Or as a seperate new combat site that could be scanned down (in which case there would be a sleeper commander and a body guard with him and be similar to a burner mission).


C1 being less difficult than a sleeper guardian up to maybe a sleeper capital in C5 or C6


They would drop a small amount of blue books but potentially either sleeper faction mods or sleeper faction bpc, The bpc would be made using sleeper salvage (I’m in favour of bpc’s as it would help increase the value of sleeper salvage)


The modules would have similar stats to a faction items but with a bonus they take less heat damage. (I know people have already ummed and arred over this already, its a concept again don't worry about details)


C5 and C6 Capital escalations.


After alot of chatting discussing several ideas came up, please feel free to discuss thesein a civil and constructive manner.


1 [:arrow:] Lower the capital escalations in C5 to 2 waves of 6 sleeper guardians, and C6 to 2 waves of 9. Then adding a can at the end of the site, that appears when all the none capital escalation waves are cleared (sleeper store house, what ever) that can be salvaged for approx 350m in blue books and salvage.


This would lower the reliance on capital escalations and encourage people in to there static to farm these sites.


2 [:arrow:] Make the capital escalation waves spawn in random points around the site and remove 1 sleeper guardian from each capital escalation and replace it with 3 cruisers and 4 frigates( numbers could be increased or decreased), that orbit at 30km and point.


This would mean smart bombing all waves and warping to where the capital escalation spawn would be alot harder and that you would potentially need sub capital support.


Odds and sods


lower the m3 of the lower end gas.


Add the gases from k space used to make drugs to w-space, with the parts needed to make them added by system effect, this won't be possible in all cases since there is more drugs types than system effects, and not all fit innicely. But as a example the gasses for mindflood (cap regen) would be found in pulsars and x-instinct (signiture radius) in wolf rayets.


Different from cap and mini escalations. Having a small chance that on completing a combat site you get a mission pop up in your journal telling you about a radio transmission (or something) and a bookmark leading to a slightly harder site (1 wormhole class higher) so in a c2 you would get a c3 site. This would alot people to potentially try different sites.


Literally double our income AND THEN SOME for static running of c5s.

Get shrekt incursion runners - we'll now pull literally 2-3x your income. ;)

3-4b/hour ftw!

If even half these changes go thru, we're gonna have TONS of income, and TONS of targets for us to pew right on our front door. )))))

[Alzuule]

))))

[giryan]

I get a 404 on the link.

The content looks awesome though :D

[gomeler]

Bane successfully baited someone out -> https://zkillboard.com/br/14192/

Had two separate groups roll through. First group had a Bhaalgorn and Curse, but after combat probing Bane for 5 minutes they pulled back. Must have smelled the bait.

Twenty minutes later, a second group came through with an Astero that popped through the C2 I was sitting on. It immediately popped core probes, scanned for a few minutes, and then must have noticed the Paladin with a field of wrecks. A few minutes pass as I bounce around holes before diving into the C2 that I saw the Astero come through. After ~5 minutes of waiting a Deimos, Geddon, Devoter, Drake(can I bring my drake?) pop on dscan. Everything lands, 15 seconds later they jump through the C3.

Bane calls them on short scan and we jump our 20 pilot gila/vni/support hammer. ~10s later we squad warp to Bane, the other fleet lands first and bubbles up but we're already in warp. They start pounding the bait paladin, we land, our bubble goes up, drone swarm pops out, and we proceed to wreck the Deimos, Drake, and Geddon in ~90 seconds. The Devoter managed to burn out of the bubble(we need tackle bad) and escape.

Local:
[18:56:28] Desenor > oh well :)
[18:56:32] Bane Andven > gf
[18:56:44] boge > gfgf :)
[18:57:14] Alex Quantum > gf
[18:57:17] Loki106 > gf
[18:57:19] Desenor > gf

We had more pilots in our fleet than they had pilots in their corp, so there wasn't much risk. Good practice though and a nice morale boost. Still wish the Bhaalgorn had snapped, it might have brought a more shiny fleet o/

[EaTCarbS]

sounds like yall have plenty of fun.

[LordsServant]

sounds like yall have plenty of fun.

We are! :)

Crosspoasting part of a BR/Update I wrote on FHC.


Slight update - we've recruited a bunch of singleboxer folks, so we've been able to actually tackle a few things(we still need MOAR TACKLE and UTILITY tho)

Something people should note - if someone in VENIO is pveing or hauling, and you think you've got the jump on them, - you don't. It's probably us baiting you.


Unfortunately, we encounter a lot of really stupid people, so out of the 4+ (I don't even remember) times we've tried to bait folks out, only a few have been successful.


This is one of them, crosspoasting a BR written by one of my members:

(insert the BR in post above here on dual-boxing)

Later on that night, I had been chilling a bit, and was p. drunk. I had been working on coding a few assignments for college, and decided I needed a break. A friend invited me to smoke, so I headed out to do that.

I returned to a ton of pings - apparently Bane was still thirsty for more blood and had been trawling around our chain (seriously, our c4 is where it's at, we get double the chain other groups get, and we get some pretty awesome coverage when we probe a lot, iirc we had 30+ systems in chain the other day). In one of the c3 in chain, apparently some scrub was running sites in a vargur. Yes, a vargur for c3 sites (lol).


It was pretty late for us, so noone else was really active except for me and him. Unfortunately for the vargur pilot, this didn't mean anything due to the concentrated nature of VENIO.


I quickly logged in most of my chars, and formed 2 basi + vulture + 8 gilas. Bane watched the Vargur until he went into Bastion, and I jumped and warped to him. Once I landed, I immediately dropped drones and began to engage him.


Bane fired a shot or two to ensure he got on the KM, and burned back to our hole to pick up a doctrine Bhaalgorn he'd been itching to use. It appeared that I was slowly breaking the Vargur, but his smartbombs (it would later turn out that he had double faction large smartbombs) were oh so slowly grinding thru my first set of drones.


I figured rather than bashing thru that and potentially losing a set or two of drones (Gilas carry 5 sets, so it really wouldn't make any difference to the outcome anyhoo) while killing him, I'd just wait for the Bhaalgorn to land. I did blap a named mobile depot he tried dropping.


While I was waiting for the Bhaalgorn to come, Blue-Fire warped in a Falcon 100km off. It tried in vain to jam my info-linked ships, and was forced to warp off as my drones got in range (8 gilas worth of drone alpha ain't nothin to sneeze at).


The bhaalgorn got into system and warped to me to begin neuting out the Vargur. As he hit grid, so did what appeared to be a Blue-Fire armor ECMgu at 100.


I was sorta surprised by this - Blue-Fire can't punch anywhere near VENIO's weight class, and with us fielding more pilots on grid than they usually pull at peak TZ, I wasn't expecting them to try anything.
My suspicions proved correct, as dscan revealed nothing else. Drones pushed tengu into hull as he warped off, barely avoiding death. The bhaalgorn 1 cycled the vargurs cap, and he died 10 seconds later to my gilas.


https://venio.zkillboard.com/br/14550/


~2.3b down, tho we got jewed hard by the loot fairy. :(


Still looking for more singleboxers and pilots interested in flying Bhaalgorns, Lokis, Tengus, and other assorted high end ships. ;)


Join us ingame in my channel "Oatmeal".

[LordsServant]

So just a few quick comments for mini BR:


We were trying to kill some bad russians(as opposed to the good russians) next door (in our c3s) who were clearing gas sites with tengus. Instead, they finished clearing the gas site just as we formed up, and warped in 5 ventures.


While we were doing this, we noticed a stratios decloak and drop combat probes, so we were gonna wait to bait him out.


We waited...and waited.....and the stratios pilot started talking.


In Russian.
In Local.


With the Venture pilots. (wat?)


We were all wtfing over russian wspace politics when we noticed some dumbass in an occator fly thru to the HS.


He was a member of some N3 D-Team alliance (Skeleton Crew.) and we had a Delve exit, so it was pretty obvious where he came from.


I told our onyx to warp to the NS, then setup a sling bubble on the HS hole. As he was getting ready to do this, our scout called that he was already back in the hole, and in warp to the NS.


I jumped our fleet in and warped us there, but he jumped out before we landed. I called for tackle to jump and try to get him on the other side, but he apparently had already warped.


We didn't think he'd be stupid enough to come back, but I had the onyx setup a for a sling bubble on the HS gate anyways.


The guy came back a few minutes later, hit warp to the HS...and landed in our waiting fleet.


https://venio.zkillboard.com/kill/42522239/


RIPRIP.


We were mostly chilling and trying to get a fight out of our neighbors(wormbro/ocularis inferno, but they seemed to be chilling in their tower and didn't want to form for a fight when I finally asked em) when one of my members, Ordieth, piped up that he had a small t3 gang(proteus, tengu, legion, something something is all I remember) engaging him in a site.


I got ready to warp to the c3 and help him when he said "no no just warp to me, I'm in home."


wat.


Some idiots ACTUALLY brought an ARMOR t3 group, into OUR HOME, which is a PULSAR, where we had fucktons of Gilas and ships just lounging in POS (some of us were awake, some were afk).


We landed, but our sabre was a few seconds behind us due to bumping off a POS mod, so I grabbed tackle on a proteus which quickly ate shit to the gilablob while capdry.
The rest managed to bail.


https://venio.zkillboard.com/br/15406/


[21:02:51] boge > fucking lol
[21:02:56] Shadowfoot > NEVER FUCK WITH US AGAIN
[21:02:57] boge > didnt think anyone would be stupid enough to try anything in our home
[21:03:01] boge > gf :)


As a side note, Shadowfoot is our resident RusRus boxer ))))


I convoed the guy to ask him wtf they were thinking pulling something so pants-on-head retarded, and to ask for a fight and got this:


[21:05:27] boge > o/
[21:05:33] Eva Thellere > 0/
[21:05:37] boge > sorry about the smack from one of my members
[21:05:44] boge > Are you guys going to form up and fight?


[21:07:28] Eva Thellere > It was not fair :)


I lol'd a bit to myself and replied:


[21:07:38] boge > You wanted a gank
[21:07:40] boge > You got a gank
[21:07:42] boge > whats not fair about that?


He didn't really say much after that other than trying to brag about poor (I guess?) (I assume he was running my stuff thru google translate or something since his response times were slow) and ended up waving and closing convo.


Easily one of the most bizarre days involving 2 different kills both gotten from other people doing incredibly stupid things. ;)


Full chat with qex guy here:
http://pastebin.com/XkbT4JG6