Making Some Gold

[Feider]

I'm keeping busy during this pre-expansion lull. Transmog, Achieves, Mount Farming, etc.
Buying the MoP vendor mount is going to just about wipe me out so I'd like to make some gold.

I'm not too savvy at all about making gold so I would really appreciate hearing some of your strategies? I do not have any maxed professions but haven't used my WoD 90/prof boosts.

Thanks a lot!

[Fat Tire]

I'm keeping busy during this pre-expansion lull. Transmog, Achieves, Mount Farming, etc.
Buying the MoP vendor mount is going to just about wipe me out so I'd like to make some gold.

I'm not too savvy at all about making gold so I would really appreciate hearing some of your strategies? I do not have any maxed professions but haven't used my WoD 90/prof boosts.

Thanks a lot!

Number one saver would be not buying the mop vendor mount and waiting a few months for the wod vendor mount. The reforger on the mop mount will be gone in wod and you dont want to pay ~120k for a mount that has lvl 90 food/water when you will be 100

[luxlunae]

Amen to that. Transmog on demand is NOT as valuable as reforge on demand. Period.

I agree that keeping your 100k would be much smarter at this point than trying to grind out a new 100k in a depressed NO NEW CONTENT FOR AN EFFING YEAR economy

[HPAVC]

Bah, buy the mount, its fun and obnoxious looking. You should easily have the cash unless you have bnetx10 accounts or something.

[luxlunae]

The point is that if 100k is all you have (which is what he said) then you certainly don't want to be pulling into WOD broke (its much harder to make gold at the end of the expansion, especially given how blizzard is just giving away crafting levels left and right).

[Feider]

I understood that reforging was going away in WoD and I'm not too worried about having the reforger now. The food is an good point though.

Aside from all that, I think I'm poor for someone who plays this much at 158k, I would love to hear any tips that you all may have.

[lans83]

Check out this site, he offers very helpful advice. Read up on the forum's posts by other players too, they contribute some good things.

http://www.elvinelol.com/forums/

[luxlunae]

Holy fucking no the undermine journal is gone.

[lans83]

I've always used the WowAuction and TSM Desktop app and addons. Made me lots of money over the past couple of years. Very helpful in knowing what gear is valuable for Transmog and disenchanting for mats.

[Kruschpakx4]

go in halls of lightning nh with 5 toons in 5 seperate ids, broadcast movement keys and clear ids simultaneous, it takes me 10 to 12 minutes per run (depends on how many times one of my toons stuck somewhere because we know broadcast movement keys sucks when used for longer periods of time) and I get 110-130 gold by selling the trash stuff per toon (pulling about 80% of the dungeon), so thats more than 500 gold with 5 toons and then you got a bunch of frostweave cloth and crystallized water/fire/air for the auction auction house, there is a vendor right outside the dungeon to sell stuff. Counting in time to sell the stuff you should be able to make at least 2,5k per hour plus money from cloth+eternal water/air/fire

[Fat Tire]

go in halls of lightning nh with 5 toons in 5 seperate ids, broadcast movement keys and clear ids simultaneous, it takes me 10 to 12 minutes per run (depends on how many times one of my toons stuck somewhere because we know broadcast movement keys sucks when used for longer periods of time) and I get 110-130 gold by selling the trash stuff per toon (pulling about 80% of the dungeon), so thats more than 500 gold with 5 toons and then you got a bunch of frostweave cloth and crystallized water/fire/air for the auction auction house, there is a vendor right outside the dungeon to sell stuff. Counting in time to sell the stuff you should be able to make at least 2,5k per hour plus money from cloth+eternal water/air/fire


What? 8-10k per hour here at these spots


http://imgur.com/a/w65RJ


There is a guy who has been streaming these farming spots for over a year. He powerlvls viewers while he farms.

[Kruschpakx4]

I prefer instanced farmspots as open world is usually overfarmed on well populated servers, especially since a bunch of people on alliance have to farm 100k for the chopper now

[Fat Tire]

I prefer instanced farmspots as open world is usually overfarmed on well populated servers, especially since a bunch of people on alliance have to farm 100k for the chopper now

4 different farming spots. I have never seen more than 2 taken at any given time. I am on a top 10 server population wise and I never have had an issue.

I will take 8-10k vs 2.5k anyday and with the added benefit of powerlvl lowbies without having to reset instances all the time.

[Kruschpakx4]

the vale spot is mostly occupied on my realm, probably have to give it a shot later at night

from what I've read on wow head its pretty rng people opinions differ between 3 and 10k per hour

[Fat Tire]

the vale spot is mostly occupied on my realm, probably have to give it a shot later at night

from what I've read on wow head its pretty rng people opinions differ between 3 and 10k per hour

Youre just full of excuses.

I recommend these spots to anyone not named krushpak ;)

[Kruschpakx4]

So I did the vale spot for about one hour now with 4x golden moss+golden fleece and here is my breakdown

gold looted including guildbank perk (including 5 treasure chests, 18 greens and 19 keys): 1381g (300 gold from goldpiles from the trinkets)
185 windwool cloth (worth about 166 gold with a current ah price of 18 gold)
26 ancient pandaren spices (1,3 gold/piece makes up 33,8 gold)
20 ghost iron ore (37 gold for 10 ghost iron bar)
6 white trillium (54 gold)
13 age'd mogu shan cheese (18 gold)
80 spirit dust (68 gold)
1 sha crystal (82 gold)
17 aged balsamic vinegar (30 gold)

Makes up about 2,1k, so either I'm way too slow at farming, although 19 keys aren't that few, or my server economy makes this spot not that good, ofc with potion of luck you will get more out of it but I don't really know how I could get 8-10k out of this each hour. Obviously people don't need that much crafting materials and other stuff that much now because everyone has full gear, end of expansion is always bad in that regard. Just curious if anyone could confirm if he makes 8-10k per hour these days, and not half a year ago.

[luxlunae]

Sha crystals were worth a lot more than that a few months ago, it is also entirely possible he shuffles for a bunch of his gold

[Kruschpakx4]

the most annoying part here is that golden moss/fleece are dropping goldpiles between 5 and 20 gold, otherwise I would've made 2k more, trying again with potion of luck but I doubt it gonna be worth much more as the golden lotus

I forgot to mention I looted about 80 harmony particle across my 4 toons so you could also use those to either buy mats or craft stuff

[sparvath]

Kruschpakx4 and Fat Tire.

Thanks to you both for sharing. Gonna test both the next few days. I tend to prefer instances myself since it normally raises less questions but it will be nice to level som low level toons that way.

[Shodokan]

Holy fucking no the undermine journal is gone.

wowuction.com


So I did the vale spot for about one hour now with 4x golden moss+golden fleece and here is my breakdown

gold looted including guildbank perk (including 5 treasure chests, 18 greens and 19 keys): 1381g (300 gold from goldpiles from the trinkets)
185 windwool cloth (worth about 166 gold with a current ah price of 18 gold)
26 ancient pandaren spices (1,3 gold/piece makes up 33,8 gold)
20 ghost iron ore (37 gold for 10 ghost iron bar)
6 white trillium (54 gold)
13 age'd mogu shan cheese (18 gold)
80 spirit dust (68 gold)
1 sha crystal (82 gold)
17 aged balsamic vinegar (30 gold)

Makes up about 2,1k, so either I'm way too slow at farming, although 19 keys aren't that few, or my server economy makes this spot not that good, ofc with potion of luck you will get more out of it but I don't really know how I could get 8-10k out of this each hour. Obviously people don't need that much crafting materials and other stuff that much now because everyone has full gear, end of expansion is always bad in that regard. Just curious if anyone could confirm if he makes 8-10k per hour these days, and not half a year ago.

They double nerfed the trinkets btw (10 min icd), they are not worth using anymore really. 300g in 1 hour is less than i use to get from 1 trinket set in an hour before (~700 per toon).

Also vale is meant more for single people, not for boxers. Being a boxer doesn't make it more efficient.

@Fat Tire the instant spawn on the kun-lai spot is gone and is a worthless farming location from my experience post krasarang/kunlai/shra'vess nerfs.

[Kruschpakx4]

yeah, tbh for me its pretty much on par with halls of lightning when splitting toons up in seperate ids, though the vale spot is more enjoyable but you have to get that stuff sold in the ah otherwise you sit on toons of mats like I do and can't catch up with selling it

as golden moss/fleece loot basically got cut in half and icd doubled you can sell them for some extra gold :P, not surprised about the moss nerf but the fleece nerf is pretty dumb since the item is in the game for almost two years now and many people farmed it

[sparvath]

I tested a few of the places yesterday. Vale of Eternal Blossom and Winward Isle was camped but Sha'vess was quite fun. Its a great place to farm Motes of Harmony and Windwool Cloth.

I observed a warrior and waarlock fight over the mobs on Winward Isle and I do think that if you parked 5 Windwalker Monks on a line with Spinning Crane Kick and loot set to FFA you could easy own that area. Gonna find a day to test it

However it all pales to Halls of Lightning. two runs netted me 1476g (vendored all greens and blues), 546 Frostcloth and 294 various Crystallized Water, Fire and Air. Only thing missing was some Damaged Necklaces since I still need 200+ tokens for all the WotLK JC recipes.

I am impressed that you can do a run in 10-12 min. I took twice that but I could feel a big improvement from run 1 to 2.

[Khatovar]

However it all pales to Halls of Lightning. two runs netted me 1476g (vendored all greens and blues), 546 Frostcloth and 294 various Crystallized Water, Fire and Air.

Frostweave cloth is always insanely priced on my server. Infinite dust from DE'ing that tier, too. It's like printing money.

[sparvath]

Frostweave cloth is always insanely priced on my server. Infinite dust from DE'ing that tier, too. It's like printing money.

On Silvermoon EU you are lucky if a Frostweave nets you more than 70 silver and the dust more than 1.3gold so I vender the greens. But I need an insane amount of cloth for a lot of tailors (1200 cloth per tailor) so I am happy with this solution.

On my server the big seller is Hypnotic Dust +9 gold per dust

[Kruschpakx4]

I am impressed that you can do a run in 10-12 min. I took twice that but I could feel a big improvement from run 1 to 2.

its actually 10 minutes including stelling stuff and get back to the dungeon, you'll get used to it, i.e. you can use the geometry of the floor get your toons synchronized again

and btw disable everything that does damage on attacker i.e. lightning shield while you pull

[Shodokan]

I tested a few of the places yesterday. Vale of Eternal Blossom and Winward Isle was camped but Sha'vess was quite fun. Its a great place to farm Motes of Harmony and Windwool Cloth.

I observed a warrior and waarlock fight over the mobs on Winward Isle and I do think that if you parked 5 Windwalker Monks on a line with Spinning Crane Kick and loot set to FFA you could easy own that area. Gonna find a day to test it

However it all pales to Halls of Lightning. two runs netted me 1476g (vendored all greens and blues), 546 Frostcloth and 294 various Crystallized Water, Fire and Air. Only thing missing was some Damaged Necklaces since I still need 200+ tokens for all the WotLK JC recipes.

I am impressed that you can do a run in 10-12 min. I took twice that but I could feel a big improvement from run 1 to 2.

Windward isle respawn is based on movement. If you move 8+ spawn at once, if not then you only get 2-3.

[Kayley]

Heroic MoP instances.
I'm able to clear them in 3-8 minutes depending on which one it is and how switched on I am. Loot if you can pull big packs, DE, Sell on AH. You can make a bit of money with just that, but when clearing the instances fast you get the gold bonus x5 which adds up pretty quickly.

But as you say, hypnotic dust sells for a lot -- so change your JP to Hypnotic dust via the vendor and roll in the gold :P
300g a stack still on my server, about 40mins to 60 mins to get 4k JP on my 5 nubs -- which is 3k in just hypnotic. Add in the gold per instance completion, anything you loot/sell/de etc.. easily 6-9k an hour still.

Remember when Ethereal shards sold for 33g? I do *weeps*.
used to be a legit 80k a day with minimal effort :<

*edit*
Dancing semi-nude near the Auction house is viable..

[Kruschpakx4]

I'll most likely farm heroics at the beginning of wod right away since I have an enchanter on my team. Probably the best and most effort less way to make money is 5x alchemist and sell the daily transmute timer

[ebony]

I'll most likely farm heroics at the beginning of wod right away since I have an enchanter on my team. Probably the best and most effort less way to make money is 5x alchemist and sell the daily transmute timer

so much has changed, with garsons as well framing for you when your offline i think gold be easier then ever to get. or it might turn and stuff be in less demand.

you get a stack of ore a day.
you get a stack of herbs a day.

enchanter going to get hit hard with less stuff to do. Only necks/rings/cape/weps.

[Selz]

Proffesions aren't considdered to be a goldmine in WoD.
They will all be able to make some, but not the way we used too.

I'm rather sure they are trying to bring back farming
With BoE drops and other drop materials, especially sinse
the "potion of luck" farming became such a big thing in MoP.

They have also said that justice and valor are going away.
There will be rep and gold venders insted.

So I believe they are trying to make gold a big thing again.

[Kruschpakx4]

looks like transmute is gone from alchemist, well then its up to garrisons, good for boxers then :)

[Lyonheart]

I'm not sure why they are getting rid of non transferable currencies, I would think that would make gold sellers very happy, if it takes gold to gear up..( and not valor etc.. )

ot: it will be interesting to see how we can make money off our multi garrisons. I know anyone can have multi garrisons..but if you level a team.. you HAVE to do the garrisons as well ( i bet that's going to be a pain in the ass leveling )

[Kayley]

Righto, people here with more info, halp.
I've never been in a position to stack anything up before an expansion goes live.
What sort of things (if anything) should I stock up on?

I mean i'm told professions are changing, so should I not stock up on all the various enchanting dusts? I dunno these things.
PLAISE HALP

*edit*
A week ago Hypnotic dust sold for 220-240g a stack, now it's at 150-170g. I have no idea if these sorts of things become more valuable or lose value when a new expansion hits T_T;
Apart from googling do any of you have any decent sites with this sort of info? :)

[luxlunae]

I'm not sure this expansion warrants stockpiling anything. It is unclear what place professions actually have in gold making going forward other than to provide a few (no more than 3 per character) BOE purples and the very end game item enhancements. I would NOT stockpile profession leveling materials. As a person who has always cared about gold I am anxious about how garrisons are going to gut profession gameplay. I am not playing beta though, maybe it won't be as bad as it seems.

[Lyonheart]

I think there are still going to be Trinkets from scribes..as long as you cant make trinkets in the garrisons that should still be a money maker early on.

[luxlunae]

I think they are exploding all of the daily cooldowns (except maybe alchemy, I think alchemy will be like tailoring in Cata, with 7 different ways to make the same crafting item, each on a daily cooldown) which really sucks for boxers.

[Kayley]

Bugger, it's all crashing now. WELP! Thanks anyway :D

[Kayley]

Almost unloaded everything now, I didn't realise I had so many useless timeless isle tokens laying around on alts, ez Sha Crystals.
I bought all the cheap hypnotic dust and resold it, so I have no idea what's going on lol. I think everyone was just dumping on the AH, right before I was about to. Worked out OK in the end (for me) ehehe.

I just don't see anything to cash in on right now anymore. I really am going to have to just wait :|

[luxlunae]

I'm cutting from 5 to 2 accounts today, which is a little sad because although my enchant market is way overcamped right now somehow glyphs are big money on my server at the moment. (and account 4 is the only scribe with most of the patterns).

Take a look at your gem, enchant, and glyph markets, at any given time the major player might pull out and prices could return to profitability. We're about two weeks away from everyone coming back to try their classes in SOO before the xpac drops, so raid consumables if not gear consumables will go up.

[luxlunae]

The biggest negative for me right now is TUJ having gone away. I loved their price lookups but just as great was the "editorial" page where they linked to recent gold making blogs.

[Kayley]

Bugger :(

Sadly for me the biggest Gem, Glyph and Enchant market is controlled by one gold farmer really ;P he is forever active haha.

[luxlunae]

If you like crafting as much as gold you can try making your own small markets. Selling profession kits, certain food eating achievements, and crafted transmog gear.

I don't do regular transmog gear though because it ends up being a huge inventory for one or two sales a day and that gives me a headache, even if there is positive cash flow.

[Kayley]

Jeez, forgot about Transmog. Thanks for bringing it up.
I happily went and checked out all the rarer stuff, some people rely on Auctioneer too much.
Example Ironhide gauntlets (of the monkey or something) on the AH, never seen before - 22g. Other variations of Ironhide Gaunts were selling for 2k+.
>_> ez.

Thanks for the ideas, some different areas I had neglected :)

[Kayley]

So instances are even better to grind out gold now.
I'm sure some of the crazies will play all 5 characters and control them at once in separate 80-85 25m raids now, that should make a bit :O

I didn't realise I had so many motes of harmony over my characters, 742 golden lotus lol All gone at 45 a piece :D

[Xixillia]

So instances are even better to grind out gold now.
I'm sure some of the crazies will play all 5 characters and control them at once in separate 80-85 25m raids now, that should make a bit :O



I do that when I'm running TK for ashes :P

[Benjii]

If you have lots of unused lvl 90 chars you can place them at Timeless Question (http://www.wowhead.com/quest=33211) NPC. You get 45g per daily for just logging in and letting Addon (http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/timeless-answers) answer it. Currently doing it with 40 chars (going for Stay Classy guild achi for fun) and its adding up nicely. I just hope Blizzard doesn't make quest one-per account only like Blingtron one :mad:.

[tundra622]

thank you benjii that is smart

[Andreauk]

Now guild levels are removed you could for Alliance anyway get one team to Stockades level then freeze their xp.. own a bunch of guilds and do the 7 runs per guild very fast for the gold..

[Shodokan]

Now guild levels are removed you could for Alliance anyway get one team to Stockades level then freeze their xp.. own a bunch of guilds and do the 7 runs per guild very fast for the gold..

Didn't they change it so that you only get 250 gold for 7 dungeons instead of 250g per dungeon? Even if not its only 20k gold per week. Which is not worth. 77 dungeons even at 5 mins per dungeon is 6.4 hours of time for that gold which is easily acquired in other ways. In 6.4 hours even at 2.5-4k gold per hour (easily doable) you generate ~16-20k.

Benji's method is also rather not worth the time either due to the amount of gold you make from it being only around 2k for 40 toons. But in the same regard benji's method is ~14k per week with a full account of characters.

-shrugs-

Getting to level 17 takes no time at all though.

[Andreauk]

Nah it's 250g per run.. and for someone on a new realm with a new team I think it's still good.

So what other ways are easier?

[Shodokan]

Nah it's 250g per run.. and for someone on a new realm with a new team I think it's still good.

So what other ways are easier?

On a new realm sure its a good means of getting some things for yourself to get started. But even then a single character farming shra'ves makes more gold "per hour" especially if you have tailoring to make the cloak so you are not relying on the AH to sell cloth. Before that it was krasarang wilds at the fishing village.

5k+ per hour is pretty easily obtainable especially if you have a boxing team with AOE like mages/boomkin or something. At this point in the expansion it isn't quite the 10-20k per hour I use to get due to them nerfing the gold trinkets as well as adding the reduced loot after X time from grinding mobs.

Don't get me wrong the gold with no AH is great but its still not time efficient if you are capable of other things.

[Andreauk]

I'm not a fan of mob grinding myself and would rather do dungeons or mine lol - I tried grinding that place once.. I was falling asleep.

Not sure if this is true but..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_2222107065&amp;feature= iv&amp;src_vid=jZyxNGf4eAY&amp;v=S_Nlpw4dAKI

[Lyonheart]

She posted an updated video with proof. Not sure how i feel about it. I do not grind a lot.. but do sometimes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZyxNGf4eAY&amp;feature=youtu.be

[luxlunae]

I know how I feel about it. I am extremely opposed to anti-bot mechanics that effect me as a player in any negative way. Bots give the world cheaper mats and other than in PVP aren't effecting me.

I don't grind much but the idea that when I want to grind my loot is going to be reduced makes me see red.

[rfarris]

I don't think it affects loot, does it? Just XP, right?

[Lyonheart]

I don't think it affects loot, does it? Just XP, right?

According to what the videos says.. it effects both exp and loot. To effect bots it would need to do both.. some bots farm for gold ( loot ) and other use farming to powerlevel or both.

[Xixillia]

Does it effect mobs @ max level? I.e pet farming? That would be awful, /cancel worthy even.

[Lyonheart]

Does it effect mobs @ max level? I.e pet farming? That would be awful, /cancel worthy even.

They keep making changes to combat botting the negatively effects non botters..kind of sucks

[JohnGabriel]

Its Blizzard's responsibility to balance things. If there are two ways to level or two ways to earn gold, they need to make sure one way isn't a great advantage over another.

I do not see this as having anything to do with botting, or boxing. We must be not but a drop in the bucket compared to the millions of solo players that are out farming to level. That's what they are trying to balance, the 99% of the realm, not us.

[JohnGabriel]

Oh but yes, an annoying pain for me as a boxer. It will change alot of things for the worse.

[Shodokan]

A bit more information:
1. The nerf does not follow you from server to server. If you get invited to another server you get full experience/items again. (does not include phasing someone else to your server from another server)
2. If you are not the one killing and are within exp range of mobs they will grant full exp (tested at 85 and then again at 87... at 87 the anti-grind did not kick in where as at 85 it did vs 90 mobs as an anti-power leveling mechanic)
3. Loot nerf is about 25-30% from my experience.
4. Its a very necessary thing from what i've seen from beta videos that lots of mobs are dropping ~1g per kill. (can't confirm that anymore). It also stops blizzard from needing to worry about instant respawns which allows for those doing quests to get their kills easier and quicker while "punishing" those whom are farming the same mobs over and over.
5. You can move from spot to spot (if you have multiple places to grind) and the penalty will not persist.


It isn't a very good anti-bot mechanic because bots do dungeons, bgs and quests as well.

It does hurt AOE farming for gold very badly if you do not have characters on multiple servers to transfer to.

[MiRai]

Blizzard has responded to the "anti-grind" mechanic:

This isn't intended to be an "anti-grind" mechanic. It's intended to be an "anti-exploit" mechanic that programmatically addresses power-leveling abuses, with the aim of letting us reward legitimate players more generously. In the past, we've often had little choice but to drastically reduce the experience awarded by certain respawning bosses or enemies that are locked in combat with other NPCs, because otherwise they'd be abused. That always felt bad to the regular player who was just passing through in the course of questing or exploration and got unexpectedly little or no experience for killing something. The goal was to come up with an approach that would be invisible to most players, but discourage sitting there and repeatedly farming the same mob for long stretches of time in order to gain experience. Alternatives like questing, dungeons, or PvP are all supposed to be more lucrative than that - WoW has never been a game in which mass-killing mobs for experience was the most efficient route.

That said, clearly this implementation is far too strict, and is triggering from a wide variety of normal activity. We're going to disable the functionality entirely and look into a much more narrowly targeted approach if and when we reintroduce it. Apologies for the inconvenience and the lack of response on the issue - we were working on understanding exactly where the algorithm was going awry, and now that we've done so, we'll be taking action in the near future.

Source: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15007430804?page=24#466

[Lyonheart]

I don't grind that often. i have done the "tag mob with nubblet and let higher toons kill it" to power level alts. BUT i have only done that a handful of times. The only other time i grinded( <is that a word? lol ) mobs was to farm those stupid motes of harmony.. because every trade needed them, and i have all trades covered ( and then some ).

When i do feel i have to grind for some dropped item, i just spark up a , very legal here in Colorado, doob, turn up the Eagles and just kill until i cant stand it. But its not somthing i can do everyday, all the time, like some people can.

That said, the above blue response and explanation make very good sense.

[tundra622]

i lold when they said wow was never a game when you grind on mobs to level

[Syferr]

I lvled soo many alts to 90 on the Sprites at the start of this expansion and sold 7 alani mounts while doing so. Im glad they are changing this back for now.

*Sit back and see what gets broken instead*

Anyway im killing mobs on the isle of giants for the Dino bones, they are selling for 5k a stack on my server and you can kill the dinosaurs really fast while boxing. 10-12k per hr.

[Tattanka]

I lvled soo many alts to 90 on the Sprites at the start of this expansion and sold 7 alani mounts while doing so. Im glad they are changing this back for now.

*Sit back and see what gets broken instead*

Anyway im killing mobs on the isle of giants for the Dino bones, they are selling for 5k a stack on my server and you can kill the dinosaurs really fast while boxing. 10-12k per hr.

What level/gear level do you need to be to "farm" the dinosaurs?

[Shodokan]

Can get 100+ sha crystals per hour with the frogs if you have plate/mail/leather/cloth user that are enchanters.