New back to Multiboxing

[Wingsta]

Hi all haven't multiboxed for a long time and decided to get back into it. I still have a full copy of Keyclone and wanted to start 5 boxing some toons to 90. My question is I downloaded then new version of Keyclone 1.9i and ran the wizard which I remember.

Now here is the problem I press connect and all the windows load up but all the same size and on top of one another? I checked maximizer loaded the default 5man setup and checked each wow1 etc matches the correct region for maximizer but still nothing. Can anyone help? It use to work for me that way but I haven't used the program for a couple of years.

[Ualaa]

I would suggest trying Rob/Keyclone/Tiny's page.
www.solidice.com/keyclone (http://www.solidice.com/keyclone)

Most of the people on this site seem to have moved to either IS Boxer or HotKeyNet (if you're willing to do/learn your own scripting).
I haven't used Keyclone in four or five years.
I do like how it is infinitely re-bindable to any one computer you ever own.



IS Boxer has so many features that I would suggest at least taking a look at.

Keyclone is great for straight key broadcasting (and even whitelist certain keys to only broadcast, or blacklist certain keys to never broadcast), but I would essentially have to put an ability on '3' for two of five characters but none of the others, then broadcast '3' to everyone.

With IS Boxer you have mapped keys.
These are hot keys which do a multitude of things.
You can have multiple steps, where it does one thing on the first press and another on the second press (infinite steps, if you like) and it loops back to the first step after the last has completed; you can prevent it from advancing to the next step (no matter how many presses of your hot key) for a duration and have it reset to the first step after 'x' seconds from either first press or most recent press.

Mapped keys can have variable targets...
You can target 'Current Window' or 'All Without Current' (everyone else).
You can target an 'Action Target Group', which is a predefined set of characters... such as everyone with a mouse click targeting circle or all your healer capable toons (in the case of a 1x Tank / 1x Dedicated Healer / 3x Druid/Paladin/Shaman DPS).

In the case of actions not on the Global Cool Down, such as your Interact With Target hot key (within WoW), you can have a mapped key automatically send that to your melee characters in addition to sending your main keybind to the targets of your choice.

That's just looking at mapped keys, and not everything they can do.



Clickbars/Menus allow you to mouse click an icon on your screen, and have it execute a mapped key.
So you don't have to necessarily keyboard activate everything.

You can have a truly massive variety in window layouts.
One example is full screen stacked, where everything is full screen with each on top of each other.
Then, just like PiP swapping, you can determine which window is on top.
You can create 'Viewers' to see the important information from your other windows.

Your mouse can automatically enable mouse broadcasting, when it enters a viewer or a mouse repeater region on your screen.
That includes broadcasting modifiers, such as Alt + Left Click or Ctrl + Right Click, if you like.
The mouse broadcast disables when it leaves your region/viewer.

Swapping between clients (with Instant Swap enabled) literally is instant.
With KC, there was a bit of a delay.

Mouse broadcast is instant and in real time.
You can see the target circle moving on your other windows (example Mass Dispel or Blizzard or Rain of Fire or Hurricane), as you move the mouse on the main window.
They all click in each window at the same time.
You can have the mapped key enable mouse broadcasting for your toon's with mouse-click target abilities (the Action Target Group), when you click/press the hot key for that ability... without activating it on the other windows (so your Tank or Healer) doesn't also enable broadcasting and then run somewhere that you click.
The mouse broadcast turns off after the click.

You can run a 'Pro Configuration'.
This is virtualization of mapped keys, where the key is translated into the appropriate spell/ability for a given character type.
That way you can basically mix and match your toons as much as you like, without modifying your configuration, and have it work perfectly.

IS Boxer supports five computers on the one subscription.
With as many clients on each system, as your computer can handle.
There are wizards for almost everything, getting you a very functional setup for most games.

IS Boxer will work with just about every game out there.
There is a lot of support for it, including an IRC on the IS Boxer site.
Lax gives phenomenal support, and the community often takes the time to help as well.
MiRai (you might remember him as Fenril) has a ton of very much amazing videos on IS Boxer too.

It's definitely worth taking a good look at.

[JohnGabriel]

Keyclone is great until you replace one of your team with another, then having to reset up all the macros and such is a pain. But with IsBoxer its so easy, the wizard creates the team for you and you keep your macros in IsBoxer. Only have to move around a few spells on the action bar and the new team is ready.

[Wingsta]

Keyclone is great until you replace one of your team with another, then having to reset up all the macros and such is a pain. But with IsBoxer its so easy, the wizard creates the team for you and you keep your macros in IsBoxer. Only have to move around a few spells on the action bar and the new team is ready.

Thanks for the input guys i'm going to try it out with Keyclone first just to get a feel for it and see if I enjoy it then if I do ill switch over to isboxer. I fixed the window issue with Keyclone I just had to use the wow64.exe file for the loader :)

[Gorthu]

Keyclone is great until you replace one of your team with another, then having to reset up all the macros and such is a pain. But with IsBoxer its so easy, the wizard creates the team for you and you keep your macros in IsBoxer. Only have to move around a few spells on the action bar and the new team is ready.

Actually with IsBoxer you just have to create the keymap you want for the new character. Each input to IsBoxer can result in totally different outputs to each individual character. You don't have to move anything around on the action bar. If you're replacing just one character in your group (i.e, you have multiple wizards and you want to change one for a healer) you just need to change that one character's Keymap (save your new IsBoxer file with a different name - this way you can load your original back and use all wizards if you don't like the new setup) and export to InnerSpace. Much easier to just do a new Keymap for the new character than rebuild a complete team.

I used Keyclone for a couple of years (even have 2 licenses) until I discovered how much more versatile IS is and how easy it was to do the scripts. Also, Lax's support is so great, when you do have a question (sometimes my mind just quits noticing the obvious) he doesn't tell you how dumb you are - he just points out the error of your script (probably lol - but you don't hear it) and in a timely manner.

[Andreauk]

I just changed from Keyclone to ISBoxer after 6 years.. swore I would never change but so glad I did. The fast window swapping is a dream.

[Asterix]

I just changed from Keyclone to ISBoxer after 6 years.. swore I would never change but so glad I did. The fast window swapping is a dream.

you changed from KC to ISB? o.O

[luxlunae]

I'd also recommend taking the time to get like-a-pro working from the beginning. Nothing says convenience like everything in your life being handled by macros and a /reload.

[snotmore]

Having used both (moreover , having spent the time cofiguring and dialing in a setup that would suit my needs, convoluted as they may have been at times), the above posts are o target.

ISBoxer is feature filled, to the point that, as easy as it is, breaking the blazed trail of 1-2-3-MULTIBOXER! provided by ISBoxer leads down a windy trail that looks deceptively simple from afar. By far the simplest setup for standard pass-through/follow/assist-target, but on that level, you may as well use HotKeyNet and save the sub fees. Its a powerful piece of software that casual users really never will take full advantage of, and runs a pretty stable setup. THe downside, as mentioned, is that the setup wizards pit tantrums when you attempt a manual alteration of almost any sort, and changing the software's internal keybind/typed wow macros (quietly running the masterpiece while you mash keys) is a blindingly fast dead end unless you *seriously* understand named macros etc..


Keyclones simplicity , lightweight functionality (and i am a fan of the maximizer) and open-ended customizationn (you can essentially change *ANYTHING*) is a nice break from the somewhat daunting task of customizing isboxer, and is the most system-friendly keypass/unification software i am aware of. While the initial setup may be tasking (documentation could be better, something i wouldnt oppose to being a part of), the inherent simplicity of it all makes it just as customizable and nearly as feature-filled as ISBoxer. Tiny roughly explained how the keymap system opens up almost limitless possiblity ( i will not even attempt to reiterate the conversation in my simplified understanding), and it is very easy to drag, drop, add and remove toons/accounts/keymaps/macros etc etc across its profiles.

Both are great pieces of software written by dedicated gamers who made multiboxing a reality for most. I have to give credit to tiny on a lot of introductory ideas of multiboxing, and am forever a fan of his clean, performance-centered developments. Running 5 clients with KeyClone is amazingly smooth (maximizer ftw again!!), and it keeps your planning simple. ISBoxer, on the other hand, is basically a plug-and-play framework, and has documentation (and support) that is extensive as hell. It's a brilliant piece, but requires rather in-depth understanding to really open up. In any case, both are amazing in my mind. Your needs, time/effort you can commit to learning an developing, budget and technological capabilities are what will point you in the right direction, and i suggest trying both, if not using both when needed as I did.

A big thanks to Tiny and to Lax & MiRai and all the other Multiboxing Fanatics for developing, designing and sustaining the community.



As a side note: One thing that concerns me about ISboxer (the last thing i am trying to do is bring any ill will to Lax's masterpiece) is the ability to clone mouse clicks across each instance - i may have read into it wrong, but that is a fine line to walk with Blizz's already fuzzy stance at multiboxing (Allowed and by no means discouraged when following ToS rules) - It has not stopped me from using ISB a whole hell of a lot, but I feel slightly safer with KeyClone - Again, I included this at the end because i by no means want to discourage people away from either, the Fuzzy-Logic and Vague conclusions Blizz has left us with is the only reason i included the "issue" in the first place.

[MiRai]

You're right, ISBoxer isn't for everyone and people who are comfortable with what they're using shouldn't feel pressured to switch, but I feel the need to address the following:


As a side note: One thing that concerns me about ISboxer (the last thing i am trying to do is bring any ill will to Lax's masterpiece) is the ability to clone mouse clicks across each instance - i may have read into it wrong, but that is a fine line to walk with Blizz's already fuzzy stance at multiboxing (Allowed and by no means discouraged when following ToS rules) - It has not stopped me from using ISB a whole hell of a lot, but I feel slightly safer with KeyClone - Again, I included this at the end because i by no means want to discourage people away from either, the Fuzzy-Logic and Vague conclusions Blizz has left us with is the only reason i included the "issue" in the first place.
First, hardware multiboxers have always had access to 1:1 mouse broadcasting (assuming resolutions across multiple computers is the same), and hardware came before software. Second, World of Warcraft hardly relies on 1:1 mouse broadcasting except when you're navigating through NPC dialog panes or maybe using ground-targeted AoE spells. Third, I'm pretty sure that most multiboxing software can, at the very least, mimic/clone mouse clicks in each window -- It's just that Inner Space is the only one that can provide an actual cursor in every window at the same time (the same as hardware multiboxing).

ISBoxer's feature set is not a secret hidden behind closed doors, and even Travis Day, a developer who has worked at Blizzard for a decade, has recently been talking about how he multiboxes Diablo III (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/13140803986) (the game he's currently assigned to as a developer). While he didn't come out and say which software he used, I don't personally know of anyone who is effectively or efficiently multiboxing Diablo III and not using ISBoxer, so we can only assume he's using ISBoxer and is familiar with its features. Also, Diablo III, unlike World of Warcraft, is a game that relies entirely on being able to replicate the mouse cursor across each game client at the same time, which is why ISBoxer is completely dominant in the D3 multiboxing scene.

I don't mean to sound cocky or that ISBoxer has no competition, because it does, but 1:1 mouse broadcasting has been a feature of Inner Space since its inception (10+ years ago?) -- Lax can correct me on that if I'm wrong.

[luxlunae]

I'm more concerned that someone is confused by named macros in isboxer. They are almost never more complex than just using the in-game macro system well, and any good multiboxing setup is going to need to understand macros.


Fortunately we have a ton of macro nerds here interested in discussing and fighting over solutions. All you have to do is ask. And khatovar still maintains a master list by spec (although sadly not everyone contributes their working macros so there are plenty of empty specs this year).

[Khatovar]

ISBoxer leads down a windy trail that looks deceptively simple from afar. By far the simplest setup for standard pass-through/follow/assist-target, but on that level, you may as well use HotKeyNet and save the sub fees.

As one of the few HKN users here, I'd never suggest someone use HKN with any intent of "ease of use." Mostly because I'm the one that ends up with pages of troubleshooting newbie scripts, lol. The setup, though it appears to be copy and pasting a script, almost always leads to dozens of complications because the starter scripts are limited and usually require editing to work, which many people are not interested in doing, and doesn't include setups like FTL, built-in assisting, fps capping, core assignments, PiP, window-swapping, leader swapping, window sizing/positioning or even broadcast pausing. It can do a lot of the things ISBoxer can {though certainly not all}, but not without knowing how to code it, and that frustrates a lot of people who just want to run a setup wizard and go.



As a side note: One thing that concerns me about ISboxer (the last thing i am trying to do is bring any ill will to Lax's masterpiece) is the ability to clone mouse clicks across each instance - i may have read into it wrong, but that is a fine line to walk with Blizz's already fuzzy stance at multiboxing (Allowed and by no means discouraged when following ToS rules) - It has not stopped me from using ISB a whole hell of a lot, but I feel slightly safer with KeyClone - Again, I included this at the end because i by no means want to discourage people away from either, the Fuzzy-Logic and Vague conclusions Blizz has left us with is the only reason i included the "issue" in the first place.

As MiRai already explained, 1:1 mouse broadcasting is nothing new. All 3 programs you mentioned already have it and have for as long as I've known about them. I'm pretty sure many others that have come and gone also provide it. I'd dare say it's a standard feature in most cases. I switched from Keyclone to HotKeyNet for better mouse broadcasting when Wrath came out. I use my mouse broadcasting hundreds of times a play session and have never had a GM say so much as "Boo!" about it, even when I was being very obvious in very populated areas such as fishing*5 (http://www.dual-boxing.com/entries/122-Khat-Fishing) at the OotCS dailiy hub. I don't think I've even seen a post claiming being banned or actioned for 1:1 mouse broadcasting.

What is NOT allowed, is pre-determined or "memory-read" mouse broadcasting. The mouse click must be relative to the individual character. That is if you click the mouse at your master toon's feet, your slave screens can not "rewrite" the position to have the slaves click at the master's feet regardless of where they are. They can only click at the same relative postion on their screen from their point of view. So if you click the dead center of the master's screen, your slaves should all be clicking dead center of their screen. You can not click the center of the master's screen and have that send the mouse cursor on the slave screens to a different location based on coordinates or pixel-reading.

There's very little that's actually "fuzzy" at this point. If it is, people will argue it here until a consensus is reached - usually in the form of a Blue post on the official forums/tweets when someone raises the question there or via a GM response from petitions in game.


Second, World of Warcraft hardly relies on 1:1 mouse broadcasting except when you're navigating through NPC dialog panes or maybe using ground-targeted AoE spells.

Psssh, Jamba deals with dialogues for me. ;)

But, mouse broadcasting is always useful for portals, tables, fishing, gathering, command boards, those stupid cauldrons in ZG etc. Like most things in multiboxing, it's not required, but it sure makes life easier. :D