Banned my 4shaman.

[karr]

Has anyone recently been banned for no apparent reason? I do a lot of timeless world pvp as well I do arena. Last week I just capped doing 2s with my shaman. Quite easy I might add, got to 1400 rating really quick, it's actually quite strong.


Other than that I don't do bgs don't do lfr or raids. Definently don't bot which is backed by me constantly struggling to pay for gear repairs (not much gold on timeless isle, yet lots of deaths).


So I am unsure where this ban came from. I imagine reports of some sort, but banning without investigating? It's easy to see I'm not doing anything wrong.

Sent an email response to ask what the problem was. I played last yesterday and all that was just for celestials.

Hmm

[MiRai]

There was just a recent banwave of people who use auto-rotation software (which is obviously against the rules).

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/11366696657?page=3#49

You could have easily been caught up in it by a GM visually assuming you were using some sort of cheat or rotation assist, but if you continue to petition the ban they'll eventually investigate it deeper and see that you weren't doing anything wrong (assuming you weren't).

[Kicksome]

When you did 2v2 did you have all 4 guys logged in? i.e. were 2 of them in the arena and 2 in stormwind spamming attacks or something.

[ebony]

today in 5's when i was capping i got a random blue blizzard gm support box come up asking if was multiboxing (no hi or anything) all he/she said was


this is more off less how i went.

GM: Are you multiboxing arena?
ME: Yes, am i doing something wrong?
GM: You can no longer chat to this Gamemaster the chat has been blocked.

I was/am still so confused. i did take a screenshot but its not in the wow dir :S but the games i took did are not there as well.

but 3 friends got banned today just got cut off halfway talking to me. They IMed me a few mins after saying they got banned.

Am takeing it easy for a few days staying out off bg's/arena leveling some monks up. i just don't want to be put get mixed up with them.

[Liquefied]

Lost my 10 accounts 72 hour suspension as well, I'm curious if something is giving them a false positive, I've tried to find information about what this banwave was for but to no-avail.

[ebony]

Lost my 10 accounts 72 hour suspension as well, I'm curious if something is giving them a false positive, I've tried to find information about what this banwave was for but to no-avail.

it to do with some software that automated players dps it seems. there is a lot off posts about not sure how did not see anything every sites out there has a lot off stuff on.

Am sorry to hear about your ban. and hope you get your ten accounts back. what to do ingame? how you got your dps setup, software you use to box?

[Liquefied]

I understand that there was a program that was used, but what did it do that caused people to be banned I don't know. I believe that it is a false positive, and if it is there would be something similar to what I did compared to those that got legitimately banned. I want to make sure that whatever got me flagged this time, does not get me flagged in the future, as I only was suspended, I don't want a permanent ban. I join LFR on my 10 paladins/hunters/priests all week long and people generally get angry with me. I have been reported a LOT for multiboxing. I'm hoping that blizz isn't fed up with the reports. I use a few addons that give me more macro space as well as more combinations for keybinds. In the past 2 months I've used keyclone and pwnboxer, but have been using pwnboxer the most recently. I really just want to find out what caused the false positive or worse, the positive.

[karr]

At first i was thinking it was Due to the combination of keypress down IWT key press up (whatever assigned button) which is generally a very long macro (utilizing macrotoolkit) so i can really just push one button and get halfway decent dps. Though i do constantly forget to refresh totems and not ideal use of elemental blast.

Will wait for a response tomorrow.

My "main" account has been suspended a few times in the past. all under 24hr all for saying something i shouldn't in trade or back when i was into raiding and our raid instance servers would go down, we would create a 25 man raid of lvl 1 gnomes, run to a city and spam /2 they don't much like that.

[Sibroc]

after reading this I checked battle.net and found my account locked. While trying to login I got an auto-message saying there is something suspicious going on with my account and I need to change my password.

After changing my password I was able to login again. Not sure if there was someone trying to steal my account but with all the problems the multiboxers have atm I guess it must have something to do with the banwave.

Im 5-boxing (5 wow accounts in 1 bnet) using ISboxer.

Im at work atm so I cant realy log into the game itself... will see more when Im back home.

[Dranny817]

Been boxing today just fine. the recent bans seems to be related to a bot some fool posted a warning on the EU forums warning other users not to login. So maybe you just got caught up in that.

[Hohoz]

Wow that sucks , sorry to hear this .... I myself don't pvp it just draws way to much attention from the peeps around you.I just stick to pve and most people who see me say nice set-for multi boxing or something along that lines.

[MadMilitia]

Interrupt bots are the work of the devil or some really lazy person.

Not sure if that was one of them but it honestly wouldn't surprise me from the crowd.

[Shodokan]

Technically the "one button pressing multiple buttons in a long line of buttons" that some people use via ISboxer can be equated to what the bot did (pending you set it up to do that). The only thing that ISBoxer does not do that things like the bot did is allow for if-then statements which were removed from the API (think of feral druid's WTF JOHN MADDEN style going in one macro again much like it could be made in early WOTLK when cast random existed) or any memory reading for auto-interrupts.

I'm not talking about things like having it mash 4 buttons at once in a "priority" rotation via more buttons set to one ability than others (like most enhance shaman/dk teams use)... I'm talking about things like

Step 1: press 1 + 2
Step 2: press f2 + 2 - Do not continue for 5 seconds
Step 3: press 3 + 2 - Do not continue for 2 seconds
Step 4: ... etc

That some might use for setting up "automation" of their DPS rotations... even if not optimized.

As long as we are using one button = 1 action then we should be more than fine. Or sticking to workarounds to DPS like is posted on lazy macro websites and how we originally maintained DPS rotations.

Be it a false positive... or technology that picks up what ISBoxer actually allows people to accomplish with its functionality (though not exactly the same as the rotation bot). Still sucks that people are getting banned and i feel that if you did get caught up in a false positive banwave that you'll get back rolling in no time.

But I wouldn't be surprised if the "step" functionality of ISBoxer is the problem and that possibly anything more than 1 = 1 on all clients is going to be the extent of multi-boxing once more.

[Khatovar]

As a reminder since I've now removed bot names from this thread twice -

Discussion of bots is not allowed on this site. This includes the naming of bots. We have a hard enough time distancing multiboxing from botting, we don't need searches for bots directing people here, even if its a post against botting. We are not free advertising for programs that violate game rules.

[MiRai]

First, (to everyone) I just don't understand how hard it is to not mention specific bots by name. People are posting names of bots like it's pertinent information when it isn't. It's always been a rule on this site to keep the names of bots off of this forum and that rule hasn't changed. It's honestly becoming tiresome continuously having to edit out the names of bots in other peoples' posts and I'm just going to start completely deleting entire posts because people can't follow the rules.

EDIT: Apparently Khatovar was reading my mind. o.O


Second, (to Shodokan) the bots in question that were mostly targeted in this banwave read the game's memory and unlock Lua code that Blizzard has specifically and purposely protected -- All of which ISBoxer has absolutely nothing to do with, so you can stop your comparison right there. Programs like HotKeyNet and AutoHotKey have much more "functionality" in this department than ISBoxer ever has, but both of those programs are viewed as legitimate multiboxing programs on this forum.

[Shodokan]

First, (to everyone) I just don't understand how hard it is to not mention specific bots by name. People are posting names of bots like it's pertinent information when it isn't. It's always been a rule on this site to keep the names of bots off of this forum and that rule hasn't changed. It's honestly becoming tiresome continuously having to edit out the names of bots in other peoples' posts and I'm just going to start completely deleting entire posts because people can't follow the rules.

EDIT: Apparently Khatovar was reading my mind. o.O


Second, (to Shodokan) the bots in question that were mostly targeted in this banwave read the game's memory and unlock Lua code that Blizzard has specifically and purposely protected -- All of which ISBoxer has absolutely nothing to do with, so you can stop your comparison right there. Programs like HotKeyNet and AutoHotKey have much more "functionality" in this department than ISBoxer ever has, but both of those programs are viewed as legitimate multiboxing programs on this forum.

Actually it did not unlock LUA code after the second iteration to my knowledge, there was an original banwave for it in 2010 which did that after which it moved to memory reading and external if/then statement coding.

I don't use AHK or HKN so I only draw comparisons to how i have seen people set things up and how people have helped others set things up.

SOMETHING is setting off a false positive, because these bans were NOT done by gms watching accounts/players they were automated bans. My bet with ebony's case is that a GM was making sure that one didn't fall through the cracks that showed similarities to functionality it provided after she was possibly reported. (I've also been contacted by gms in the past two days while leveling new dks and know i've been reported multiple times in the past week while leveling characters up.). Hell I didn't even know there was a banwave for those bots until i read that people got banned for boxing apparently here.

I love ISBoxer and what it has allowed me to do but I'm not going to sit here and say that there is absolutely zero similarities between the bot's functionality and that of ISBoxer's (And AHK/HKN for that matter now that you mention it).

ISBoxer is NOT a bot, we all know this... but is auto-reconfiguration of buttons pressed in an order via a single button(step 1: 1, step 2:2, step 3:3 all while pressing 1) really not the least bit of the grey area we all knew it was from the beginning? I mean we have had that discussion here before no?

Just some food for thought and nothing more.

Example of a macro

/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,0,Judgment
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,0,Crusader Strike
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,0,Exorcism
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,0,Judgment
/castsequence reset=0.5 0,Divine Storm
/castsequence reset=target/15 Crusader Strike,Judgment,Inquisition,Exorcism,Templar's Verdict,Word of Glory,Crusader Strike,Judgment,Divine Storm,Exorcism,Templar's Verdict,Divine Storm
/cast Avenging Wrath
/cast Execution Sentence
/cast Guardian of Ancient Kings
/startattack

[ebony]

Well the players i saw that got banned was not using isboxer one was still on keyclone and one was on pwnB (2 was not using the same battlenet).

I use steps all the time and i do press more then one key at the same time! and i been doing bg's. To be fair every time blizzard does big ban waves like this boxers all ways get mixxed up in them.

As a few off the wow blackmarket used mutiboxing to get "round bans" opening tickets saying they was boxing and then botting ontop off it a few years ago kinda made it hard for blizzard to work out who was doing it not doing it.

All i can say is don't yet them talk you out saying you was doing something wrong it be hard to get info out off them as they (software devs try to get a work round for them) but your looking a long Time, if it was a under 72 hour ban then it was a automated ban, still open the ticket/email so you can it cleaned off your file as a few automated bans can lead to a full ban next time. This is information i have been given in the past when i was targeted by some automated software.

[zenga]

Just a consideration, if x% of the total wow population was using that bot, why would that number be less for boxers? The boxer I know that got banned in this wave admitted eventually he was using it. Always possible some got banned for no reason, but I after all these years I tend to be rather sceptic about those stories. I guess the good thing for those boxers that got banned is that they probably know themselves what they did wrong, and once their 72 hours are over, they know what not to do again.

[Kicksome]

My logitech keyboard and mouse, my Razor keyboard and mouse, not to mention the official WoW mouse have functionality that is far far against the TOS if used improperly. So make sure you're using your chosen software within the TOS.

[MadMilitia]

Actually it did not unlock LUA code after the second iteration to my knowledge, there was an original banwave for it in 2010 which did that after which it moved to memory reading and external if/then statement coding.

I don't use AHK or HKN so I only draw comparisons to how i have seen people set things up and how people have helped others set things up.

SOMETHING is setting off a false positive, because these bans were NOT done by gms watching accounts/players they were automated bans. My bet with ebony's case is that a GM was making sure that one didn't fall through the cracks that showed similarities to functionality it provided after she was possibly reported. (I've also been contacted by gms in the past two days while leveling new dks and know i've been reported multiple times in the past week while leveling characters up.). Hell I didn't even know there was a banwave for those bots until i read that people got banned for boxing apparently here.

I love ISBoxer and what it has allowed me to do but I'm not going to sit here and say that there is absolutely zero similarities between the bot's functionality and that of ISBoxer's (And AHK/HKN for that matter now that you mention it).

ISBoxer is NOT a bot, we all know this... but is auto-reconfiguration of buttons pressed in an order via a single button(step 1: 1, step 2:2, step 3:3 all while pressing 1) really not the least bit of the grey area we all knew it was from the beginning? I mean we have had that discussion here before no?

Just some food for thought and nothing more.

Example of a macro


Nah, for the simple fact that regular players use such macros as a convenience to actually piano mashing their fingers into cripple status.

WoW is overly complicated in the toolbox for every character and those macros save us from crippling ourselves. I see them as accessibility for if they didn't exist, I surely wouldn't be playing the game.

When I do box, my characters use those kind of ingame macros. You can't put interrupts in them and expect to do very well. Interrupts fall outside of the rotation and as such, remain outside of those macros for maximum effectiveness.

Even if you had say, a 5 box with an interrupt chain you would find that it'd rarely if ever be effective in combat with other players. For the simple fact that it isn't on demand but queued. I can't tell ya the number of times queuing things like spell interrupts has been a really bad idea. I've done it, wiped because of it. It works in rare occasions where the clock strikes 12 and doesn't work anywhere else.

These guys are no doubt using some kind of memory reading bot to read when cast events are taking place. Think about it. It'd be very easy for Blizzard to detect who is calling protected functions outside of protected scope. Simple by recording stack calls for players at random when reports happen.

As some others have said, I take it with a pinch of salt whenever someone says they weren't doing anything against the ToS or 'I was just multiboxing.' Sorry, I don't buy it. I do multibox on and off but more than enough to where if multiboxing was a bannable offense I'd be long gone.

[Khatovar]

ISBoxer is NOT a bot, we all know this... but is auto-reconfiguration of buttons pressed in an order via a single button(step 1: 1, step 2:2, step 3:3 all while pressing 1) really not the least bit of the grey area we all knew it was from the beginning? I mean we have had that discussion here before no?


Steps are no different than using Swapactionbar (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46687-bot-i-think-so?p=360338&viewfull=1#post360338). I can throw all my spells/macros on slot one of every bar in game and tack /swapactionbar on and 1 is suddenly hitting a different macro every time.

As far as the "do not advance for" thing, I'm not particularly for the ISBoxer version of it, but you can still duplicate a version of it using armor slots via the ingame macros or by using nulled castsequences with a reset conditional that you call in another macro further down your sequences such as -

Macro 1


/castsequence reset=target Corruption, nil
/swapactionbar 1 2

Macro 2 {or 8 or whatever}


/target pet
/targetlasttarget
/cast Shadow Bolt
/swapactionbar 1 2

Easy-peesey.

Having used these setups on solo toons that I didn't want to set up a HKN script for, the only difference is it's way easier and more elegant to do it externally, especially with multiple toons. All things considered, I don't find those actions grey at all since they are functionally identical to actions I can take with the ingame tools.

People get caught up in banwaves and people get it cleared on appeal. Some people also assume that multiboxing is a get out of jail free card for breaking other rules, but they never want to admit that.

You yourself claim that you've been contacted recently by GMs after you've been reported all week, so I'm far more of the mind that a ban wave was in the works and GMs trying to rush through confirming or clearing the who-knows-how-many reported and/or flagged as hacking/botting accounts {which we all know is what multiboxing gets reported as} and slack-assed the check so they could move on to the next ticket.

It's not "people got banned for boxing" it's boxers getting caught up in a banwave. That doesn't instantly equate to us doing anything that is automatically flagged, it could just be manual reports and lazy or uninformed GMs, like it usually is.

[Ualaa]

Reconfiguring keys has everything configured in advance.
And every action taken is a direct result of an input you give that occurs at exactly the same time as the output.

The program (IS Boxer) is not making any decisions for you.
Nor is it doing anything that you have not directly triggered (via your input) at the time of the IS Boxer output.

[Shodokan]

Reconfiguring keys has everything configured in advance.
And every action taken is a direct result of an input you give that occurs at exactly the same time as the output.

The program (IS Boxer) is not making any decisions for you.
Nor is it doing anything that you have not directly triggered (via your input) at the time of the IS Boxer output.

Regardless of it is only doing things capable in game through macros/addons it is still an external program preforming those actions. Yes it makes no decisions for you, it just does thing in a set order just like some macros are capable of. It does not edit memory, it does not read memory... there are no if/then statements. Its different, It is just POSSIBLE that something it does set off a flag for commonality not that it specifically aids in doing things not possible through other means.

But as stated by others, it wasn't ISBoxer that seems to be the culprit rather other external programs like Tim's and Keyclone.

[MiRai]

Regardless of it is only doing things capable in game through macros/addons it is still an external program preforming those actions. Yes it makes no decisions for you, it just does thing in a set order just like some macros are capable of. It does not edit memory, it does not read memory... there are no if/then statements. Its different, It is just POSSIBLE that something it does set off a flag for commonality not that it specifically aids in doing things not possible through other means.

But as stated by others, it wasn't ISBoxer that seems to be the culprit rather other external programs like Tim's and Keyclone.
Everyone's in agreement that, from an external viewpoint and to the untrained eye, multiboxing can easily look like botting of some sort; but I think people jumped on what you were saying at the start because you were comparing a small portion of the bot to multiboxing software, while at the same time, seemingly ignoring the portion of it that makes it completely against the rules of the game and would cause a ban.

Have players (solo or multiboxing) been mistakenly banned or suspended in the past? Yes.
Have all wrongful bans or suspensions been overturned once petitioned? To my knowledge, yes.

[Invisahealz]

I took a day break from wow and come back to a ton of whispers asking if i got banned. . . Lol, i guess Prepared got jelly of us other boxers on Darkspear and he didnt see us on for a day so he was telling all his fanboys on his stream we all got banned for "Botting". He is comprised of so much fail. And nope, some people just have a real life Prepared. . . I dont play every day, thank god.

Just felt like sharing that story haha.

[zenga]

I took a day break from wow and come back to a ton of whispers asking if i got banned. . . Lol, i guess Prepared got jelly of us other boxers on Darkspear and he didnt see us on for a day so he was telling all his fanboys on his stream we all got banned for "Botting". He is comprised of so much fail. And nope, some people just have a real life Prepared. . . I dont play every day, thank god.

Just felt like sharing that story haha.

By the looks of your posts it seems like the guy has quite an influence on you, no?

[Multibocks]

Invis you moved off KJ?! Whats so special about Darkspear?

[heyaz]

By the looks of your posts it seems like the guy has quite an influence on you, no?

Nah the scourge of multiboxing has no influence over anyone. He tries to assert influence by making wild accusations and lying on his stream to hundreds of viewers, has spent hours and hours and hours of his stream time sitting in org talking about alliance boxers and defaming them, checking their armories and doing /who nonstop. If anything the ally boxers influence him... if you listen to the stream just one night... it's pure envy, to the point of obsession.

[ebony]

this has gone far off topic!.


Back on topic 2 of my friends got there accounts back.

[zenga]

Back on topic 2 of my friends got there accounts back.

After appealing the ban or after sitting their 72h suspension?

[ebony]

After appealing the ban or after sitting their 72h suspension?

appealing. they had perm bans

[Shakeboxing]

Nah the scourge of multiboxing has no influence over anyone. He tries to assert influence by making wild accusations and lying on his stream to hundreds of viewers, has spent hours and hours and hours of his stream time sitting in org talking about alliance boxers and defaming them, checking their armories and doing /who nonstop. If anything the ally boxers influence him... if you listen to the stream just one night... it's pure envy, to the point of obsession.

Yeah I was gone for two whole days (funeral on one, and 2nd just to recoup and make vids (god forbid when a good friend dies irl) and Prepared mentioned non-stop to his viewers that all of us on DS Alliance were banned, and knowing that Tease is afk from the game on personal issues, he's claimed the same stuff over and over. Trying to make a point to his viewers with deception of "All of the alliance multiboxers are botters, they were banned."

Go figure this out, and come back to me with an answer.