EvE Questions

[Sam DeathWalker]

I am kinda unhappy that after reaching some of my goals in wow I am less known now then I was when I was planning to play wow .....

Anyway I have some questions about eve.

This guy "The Wis" has like 100 to 149 accounts and all he does is "mine ice". He makes more then enough to pay for all his game time though from what I understand.

Is the fact that he dosnt pvp much is that the game requires you to ground target?

He says that isboxer will not allow more then 16 accounts per computer Is that true?

Is the lack of pvp by large boxers because there is limited advantage to multiboxing pvp or that they are just not proficient enough with isboxer to set it up right or the game macros are not sufficient or what?

A lot of articals transmute isk to $$ (make $35 an hour attacking something) but the rules seem to say that you cannot sell isk for RL monies, is that true? Is there a ligit way to make RL monies in this game?

[Morganti]

You can't mine ice anymore like the old days. Previously ice asteroids were nigh unkillable, but now they deplete (as do the fields) much faster. Ice mining is not the mecca of boxing for isk anymore. I suspect whatever you read about 100+ accounts ice mining was from the old days.

No idea on the max accounts for isboxer. Never used more than 10.

EVE PVP is not really as multiboxer friendly as other games. In fact it's an entirely different style of play and world away from wow and its clones. In many ways the advantages are evened out by the disadvantages, but there are things in the game that can be worked to a boxer's advantage (sentry drones, bombs, etc).

No, there is no way to turn ingame money (isk) into real money legally. You CAN turn ingame money into a subscription via PLEX (1 month is about 620mil as of today prices), and you can turn real money into PLEX also to give yourself an isk infusion in the game, but CCP comes down hard on anything that looks RMT'ish. The PLEX system, to me, is one of the best reasons to play EVE. You can play to make isk, turn that isk into plex, and turn that plex into 30 days of gametime. Anything you make past plex money is play money.

[Mokoi]

The reason nobody boxes this game for PvP, is that numbers count for NOTHING in this game, for what we can box. the battles in EVE are 400-5000 players, and those battles can happen at a moments notice without any warning. It's not like queueing up for a fight and then warping in.

Heres what will happen if you decide to roll around in too many characters at once. Someone will spot you, and you will never be able to see him. He will then call his friends, and his alliance, and they will drop WHATEVER they want and need to completely outgun you, no matter what.

PvP happens when ONE side screws up, and the other side can monopolize on that mistake, and crush them, or it doesnt happen because they are not sure they can win.

[Crionic]

As far as a maximum number of accounts running with isboxer goes, it is more limited by how much your computer(s) can handle. I've been able to launch 25 at once, but when I hit about 17 my fps slows way down. I expect that the 16 accounts that you heard about was because most pc's don't have more than 8 cores right now and usually ppl run 2 accounts per core max. You can test out your own system without having any eve accounts. Just launch them via innerspace one at a time (making sure all the resolutions are the same and graphics are set low), and see when your fps bombs. Remember that the ingame rendering will be a little bit more graphics intensive.

It's not that multiboxers are bad at eve pvp. It's that group diversity and dynamic reactions are required to be effective. Even in smaller fleets you'll have tackles, scouts, logi, dps, and maybe ECM, all doing different jobs at the same time. On top of that, eve doesn't have even half as many hotkeys or macro's available in game. If you're going to multibox eve you need to make friends with non-multiboxers, people that can help add diversity to your core group.

[RSM72]

PvP happens when ONE side screws up, and the other side can monopolize on that mistake, and crush them, or it doesnt happen because they are not sure they can win.
Pretty good explanation of EVE pvp. Coming from wow pvp you can expect to always fight a very well coordinated group of enemies if you pvp in EVE. There is virtually no random pvp groups.

[EaTCarbS]

PvP happens when ONE side screws up, and the other side can monopolize on that mistake, and crush them, or it doesnt happen because they are not sure they can win.

My alliance will often fly ships into a fight we can't win, but we end up winning the isk war ^.^ (That may be still be a win, depending who you ask). Ruptures are great ships.

@Sam: don't expect to be able to do what you do in wow here in EVE. You will be camped and destroyed relentlessly for flying 100+ subpar fleets around clueless, just like "The Wis"

http://youtu.be/Tlhlwuf4qjs

[Sam DeathWalker]

Clearly from these answers I doubt if I will be playing EvE.

[Crayonbox]

please play eve. make sure you let us know what youre playing , how many and where :D

some of us will come give you hugs and flowers and stuff :D
This game is just like wow. super easy and newbie friendly. come join us.

theres a goal to beat of boxers too because apparently theres wis that boxes over a 100 so you gotta beat that number too!

[Mokoi]

ALL i can imagine is his PvP videos, showing us he's the most powerful EVE boxer because he can kill a POS in High Sec faster than any other player... hahaha. entertaining to see it in my head.

But yeah, it's probably best if you don't challenge yourself with a real game with consequences. You woulodn't want to rely on skill alone and not be safe in a huge blob with no macros available to pad your playstyle with complications.

Better you stay away from this game, it's just out of your league.

But, in case you DO decide a challenge is for you, use my RAF link: https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=dc022640-8013-407c-9b65-7b2fbaf4e034&action=buddy I love plex for free. ESPECIALLY 100 or so you would bring.. mmm...

[Sam DeathWalker]

I played EQ1 when you lost exp when you were killed. Sometimes you couldn't recover your body (fear break). Sullon Zek makes EvE look like CareBear heaven; you could play for days and get nothing done. I moved to WoW because I had won EQ1 at the time and more people played WoW, not cause it was bluebie.

And look who's talking guys who AVOID PvP unless the are sure they can win; the ultimate gankers ....

I leveled up on PvP servers is both EQ and WoW, people found me and killed me, and now I kill anyone in 3 seconds.

Clearly there is little advantage to boxing EvE; I am not going to pay for 50X accounts if I am not 50X stronger, at least in theory, then one account.

Also you seem to forget in WoW I am GM of a guild that is 1/9th the size of the 9000 members Goons; I doubt I would be playing alone.



How many times do you need to kill Wis before he runs out of isk?

Is he not mining right now? And paying for all account and making profit?

[Sam DeathWalker]

If what you say is reasonable that when you fight someone and you cost them more isk to replace their ships then they cost you to replace yours you have won the battle then by that measure isn't Wis slaughtering you, by not fighting?

You are playing a game where clearly the optimal strategy is to NOT ever fight and take a loss. What kind of game is that?

[EaTCarbS]

I played EQ1 when you lost exp when you were killed. Sometimes you couldn't recover your body (fear break). Sullon Zek makes EvE look like CareBear heaven; you could play for days and get nothing done. I moved to WoW because I had won EQ1 at the time and more people played WoW, not cause it was bluebie.
When you die, your space ship is gone. your pod is gone too if they get it. Some these ships get pretty damn expensive (with ships isk value translating into $100s). Carelessness in this game puts every one of your assets you undock with on the line. If EQ was anything like eve, you would lose everything you had equipped and in your inventory when you died.


And look who's talking guys who AVOID PvP unless the are sure they can win; the ultimate gankers ....
War is this game is like a real war. In a real war, you're not going to run head-first into a fight you can't win.


I leveled up on PvP servers is both EQ and WoW, people found me and killed me, and now I kill anyone in 3 seconds.
>implying not terrible
>implying never ganked by smaller groups


Clearly there is little advantage to boxing EvE; I am not going to pay for 50X accounts if I am not 50X stronger, at least in theory, then one account.
Thanks for showing everyone your ignorance. If there was no benefit to multiboxing this game, nobody would do it. Despite your claim, many people use multiple accounts, just not for the 1 key mashing you do in wow.


Also you seem to forget in WoW I am GM of a guild that is 1/9th the size of the 9000 members Goons; I doubt I would be playing alone.
That depends on how you treat other people. In order to be successful in this game, you need to get along with people.




How many times do you need to kill Wis before he runs out of isk?

Is he not mining right now? And paying for all account and making profit?
He's not making much money if he is losing 20 bil of ships like that.


If what you say is reasonable that when you fight someone and you cost them more isk to replace their ships then they cost you to replace yours you have won the battle then by that measure isn't Wis slaughtering you, by not fighting?

You are playing a game where clearly the optimal strategy is to NOT ever fight and take a loss. What kind of game is that?

What you are talking about is called the isk war. Everything in this game is driven by money. If you have no money, you cannot buy more ships. you cannot run your empire. Large scale wars are usually determined by who has the most money (which side can replace their ships more often).


All in all, I really hope you do give eve a shot. Your attempt to do what you do in wow would be quite the amusing trainwreck. This isn't a game you can just mash the keyboard to win. Seeing a blob of 100 frigates flying around would be fun/interesting, however.

[pinotnoir]

You can multibox capitals and really give any alliance you are in a hard on if you drop 50 dreads or super carriers wherever they need them.

[Alptraum]

I dont know if you need 25+ accounts to win eve and have a good time...i've just started up a 5man drone boat setup..but I was able to get my new characters into domi's with garde 1 sentry drones in 21 days...could of been faster had I purchased amazon starter packs that came with those cereberal +9 implants, that would of cut a ton of time off and allowed me to train a lot more skills up that first month...however we learn as we play dont we.

my plan to cover plex is to use my 5man squad in a 0.0 corp to grind anomalies for a few hours a week to cover the cost of plex...i dont have an accurate time for completing the hardest anom in my area yet..but i've estimated with one toon it usually runs about 80-90mill per hour from just bounties, not counting loot, and since anoms respawn pretty fast after completing them, you can just grind these cash cows till your hearts content...not a big time investment to plex all your toons per month...now keep in mind a red sitting in system with you prevents you from running these safely, because if you foolishly undock and dont watch your six..you will be dropped on and there goes all your fun in a heartbeat.

The corp and alliance I've joined occasionally gets into wars, so I also have a 5domi ship stash in highsec I keep just to run level 4 missions if I need to keep the isk coming in for plex's..nothing worse then red's ruining your day when you just want to grind out isk, and they do nothing but sit in a spot in system where you cant find them and keep everyone docked up like sheep.

you could also consider looking into solo running vg incursions..you'll need about 12 dps, 1 logi and 2 booster ships if u want to be entirely solo and fast at it, but isk return on investment is about 100-120mill per hour/toon for not a lot of work, and thats only using 2billion nightmare setups.u dont have to bling them silly to be efficent.

Most any corp would welcome you in once you have your isboxer tuned up properly, if you can field 5-50 ships you are amazing for small pvp roams, and as an immediate defense force, keep in mind though pvp is often not about 1to1 its more like 1vs20 or so...they start off with 1 bait ship that looks weak, and you attack it or go to attack it only to find out its a cyno alt, and drops the gank party in on you, which mosty is so overwhelming you never had a hope. (theirs nothing to say you couldnt reverse this though and turn into a super huge ganker if thats your thing...run bait ships of your own, and drop on people that spring the trap..you could just as easily cyno drop 20-30 of your own guys in cheap ships on someone and just blap them off the screen before they knew what happened)

Eve is very much about isk....and losing less then the guy your killing is always a win in my books.

I plan on upgrading to ratting carriers later on if I prove they will speed things up, if not then no..because the bigger the ship you fly the bigger the target you become for all these killmail whores..so theres my .2 cents worth of info for you Sam, just remember eve isnt as boxer friendly as wow, the interface is aweful, and lasting gameplay value is more so up to the player to find stuff to do then the game to provide it for you.

[LordsServant]

Alptraum, y don't u join up with my group in wspace?

train for gilas/ishtars/vexor's navy and you could make plenty of isk (far more than lvl 4 mish), and get more fun pvp.

at the op - if you're willing to put your ego in check, multiboxing is a very viable option in eve.

in nullsec, you generally cannot compete with the huge nullsec powers. The two mega coalitions in the game at present have far too many people, and ccp has continually nerfed every antiblob tactic into the ground at the behest of the cfc(the users of the blabbing tactics, there's a spaceship political group the csm which is elected by the players. Etc etc, long story for right here).

There is, however, a part of space known as wspace, where you cannot mindlessly blob. It's considered endgame space as you have no set routes through it, and the paths between its systems constantly change.

sorta imagine a mountain range with constant earthquakes and landslides which change paths nonstop. Sometimes you're tons of systems away from the one you want, and sometimes you're literally next door. You can go from the very top of eve's known space map to the very bottom in less than 2 jumps if you get the right path through wspace. :)

multiboxers can be incredibly effective as a fighting group provided they work in groups of more than one.

for pvp, single multiboxers cannot run the proper types of ships in the proper numbers that would be required to pvp on a competitive scale.

take for instance, this guy: http://eol.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=21112182

on paper, the fact that he has a bunch of geddons would make me think he'd be able to roflstomp his opposition. However, he was forced to use his highs for reps, and was wholly unable to react fast enough to his ships being destroyed.

if you had 2 multiboxers - he would've been free to run his geddons properly with neuts and to focus on his dps, while a second multiboxers focused on repairing him(sorta like priests in wow, but more important and less gay) and maybe running some ewar ships(I guess sorta like curses or poisons or w/e. they make hoste ships less effective). This scales nicely as you could have 2-3 guys multiboxing 10+ geddons or whatnot each, with another 1 guy boxing 5-10 guardians or triage carrier, and then another 2-3 guys each boxing a few ewar or tackle ships. It's all abt distributed roles for each person.

so far there hasn't really been much multiboxers cooperation on a larger scale - im trying to change that with my corp.

Ive been playing eve for over 7-8 years now, and know just abt everything there is to know about the game. I'm trying to build a multiboxer corp to run alongside my alliance (the top wspace alliance inthe game).

we have a solid base of non boxers already, and me and a few of the multiboxing guys here have gotten together and worked on some multiboxing stuff for wspace which has worked out pretty solid so far.

I looking forward to running multiboxers with regular non boxed guys, as we could provide some massed dps or alpha, with the non boxed guys either being assigned triggers, helping with ewar, reps, and tackling - all things that are easier for no boxed chars to do over massed boxing,

my apologies on any misspelled stuff, I'm on my iPad ATM on vacation, and typing several paragraphs out while on an iPad isn't ideal :p (fuckin autocorrect)

Ill be back in a few days and can hopefully sort some more stuff out then.

hitme up with a pm or post in here if you're interested. I won't be ingame for quite some time.

moorganti, steel, or mcwrathy(I think he posts here) all know me and are familiar with exactly what I'm talking about ;)

[Mokoi]

Sullon Zek makes EvE look like CareBear heaven

I'll pause here to ask you, how you feel justified making such statements from such a position of ignorance? You came here to ask about EVE, and now you speak with such authority about the game??? I wonder when the last time you played EQ was and watched as a group of 6000 people fought in a truly epic battle where the losses of only one side of the battle equal the value of a car in real-world currency (easy to calculate with a game where you can convert $ into ISK).


And look who's talking guys who AVOID PvP unless the are sure they can win; the ultimate gankers ....

Sorry, was that directed at us? I don't think I ever said that I (or anyone else associated with me or my corp) avoided PvP in any way. The point I was making was that you don't always go looking for PvP, it often finds you, and if you are less prepared than they are, you will lose, and you will lose everything you brought to the field. In this game, you NEVER undock ANYTHING you aren't able or willing to lose at the undock, because you never know who is camping you, your corp or will just attack you to see if they can kill you. It doesn't matter where you are. A VERY rare carrier was lost a while ago because the pilot accidentally clicked "accept" on a duel invite instead of "decline". That's all it took, and the crafty pilot was able to exploit all the weaknesses in the carrier pilots ship, and ended up with a bit of help taking him down, right in High-Sec where normally Concord (the police) would shoot you after 2 seconds. No, you are not safe, even in a capital ship with a buttload of tank, and in a zone where you should be assisted by big brother instantly.


I leveled up on PvP servers is both EQ and WoW, people found me and killed me, and now I kill anyone in 3 seconds.

There is only one server. The very notion of a "PvP Server" screams at the top of its lungs, "CAREBEAR!" (the idea that you should be warned before playing the game you might be attacked, even when there are very few consequences in most games)


Clearly there is little advantage to boxing EvE; I am not going to pay for 50X accounts if I am not 50X stronger, at least in theory, then one account.

I think you may have missed the point on this. You MAY very well be more than 50x as "strong" with 50 accounts vs one, but what does 50x stronger really mean in a game with 50,000 players on the same server, many of whom would love to hit the "free isk here" pinyata you would stick out as?


Also you seem to forget in WoW I am GM of a guild that is 1/9th the size of the 9000 members Goons; I doubt I would be playing alone.

I'm sorry, none of us knew that, becaus of course as EVERY good guild leader does, you never ever talk about them, give them credit or assign any prestige on anyone but yourself.

---

Please, PLEASE play EVE. If you could do anything impressive in this game, I would probably give you a month of PLEX for all of your accounts. (and yes, I will decide the threshold for "impressive", you do not retain the right to declare your mediocrity as awesome.

I will look forward to you turning down the invite to join a truly challenging and deep game where your ability to actually control your characters, and not just your reliance on numbers for safety reigns supreme.

Move on, you probably wouldn't like it ;)

[Sam DeathWalker]

On sz you could spend all night setting up a raid (4 hours) only to have someone train the whole zone on you in the last minute. No one logs into EvE for days straight and does NOTHING to advance their character. You can't LOSE you whole character (fear break in) by having your body someplace you cannot get to. In EvE it seems you can do things without being found while leveling up your strength. In EQ1 that's not really easy a high level just come in and kills you at will.

You have stated that it best to avoid pvp and if its an "isk war" the person who does not fight wins.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Sorry to have to multi post but I cant paste copy and for some reason It seems (just on this site) my keys get stuck. Anyway I just don't think that multi accounts leads to multi power each ship requires to much micro management to be effective, if I have to ground target with each ship that's a joke. One guy says sentry drones will assist a lead ship.

Accept a duel? That never happened on SZ, you log in you die, enjoy your stay.

Whats the most impressive thing any multiboxe has done I EvE?

Is it legal to sell a corp in EvE?

[Mokoi]

if I have to ground target with each ship that's a joke.

Ground target? Who ever gave you the impression there was GROUND in space? You realize it's a game about space, right? There is no ground targeting.


it seems you can do things without being found while leveling up your strength.

No, maybe you missed the part where I mentioned that in NO SPACE at all in this game, are you safe. EVER!


On sz you could spend all night setting up a raid (4 hours) only to have someone train the whole zone on you in the last minute. No one logs into EvE for days straight and does NOTHING to advance their character. You can't LOSE you whole character (fear break in) by having your body someplace you cannot get to.

AGAIN, you speak from complete ignorance on an issue you are utterly unprepared to speak about. You have no idea how long people prepare for wars in nullsec, and for other activities that they will almost certainly lose everything they bring. Losing 4 hours of preparation? Get a grip. Go find out how much effort it takes an ALLIANCE of people (thousands) to field several Titans, and hundreds of capital ships, and then look at how often they are lost.

I don't really care to measure D's any more about EQ (which I have never played, but so far you havent explained very well) and EVE losses, but I'm confident you can stand to lose a lot more in EVE than any other game I have ever heard of.


I just don't think that multi accounts leads to multi power each ship requires to much micro management to be effective

Yeah, good. Probably better you don't try, you might not be as "effective" as your MONSTER WoW team.

/sarcasm


Whats the most impressive thing any multiboxe(r) has done I(n) EvE?

You will probably never know, because the ones who are doing great things don't want themselves recognized, that's how dangerous it is to be known in EVE. If they are achieving truly awesome things somewhere in space, they DONT want you to know about it.

In fact, because of that, the need for anonymity... I REALLY don't think this game is for you hahaha. You would have a bad time. I know I'd find you and kill you for the fun of it lol.

[Mosg2]

@Sam:
I'll do my best to translate what Mokoi and some of the others are trying to say:

I played EQ since right when Kunark was released. EvE easily has harsher death penalties--In EQ, you could lose a corpse on a Fear or Hate break or deep in a dungeon without a corpse summon. Loss of gear? Check. Loss of XP? Check. You could play around this somewhat by having gear in the bank and leaving most of your money in the bank. With a week to get your corpse it's pretty reasonable to assume that you could get your gear back. In Eve, when your ship blows up you lose everything onboard. Your actual ISK currency is safe, but that's it. If you have to fly say, 30-40% of your total wealth at any given time you're living quite dangerously.

As for multiboxing in Eve, the point is that apart from Wormhole space, if you are multiboxing more than 5 toons someone will notice and you will be hunted mercilessly until you're wiped. It's incredibly unlikely that you'll know you're being tracked and you certainly won't know that a Black Ops fleet is about to ruin your day. The worst part is that they will just wait until they get the numbers to kill you without incurring major losses on their side--And due to the way that the game works they will rally enough people to do this, consistently, every time you log in. You'll be placed on a watch list by every scout in every corporation where you hang out.

The only place that the multiboxing portion is untrue is in Wormhole space--Due to the fact that you can only move a limited number of ships into a system at a time, you're relatively safer. Not safe, but somewhat safer.

[Sam DeathWalker]

By ground target I mean "Click on a specific spot with your mouse".

If what you say is true then how can the wis even exist? There is no question that he makes enough to pay for his accounts.

A single bard "speed" was able to basically stop the other teams progress completely on SZ. I doubt any corp (let alone a single player) can completely prevent another corp from progressing.

How long does it take you to recover from a loss in EvE? It seems that you are always progressing, i.e. more isk comes in then you lose.

[Mokoi]

By ground target I mean "Click on a specific spot with your mouse".

I know what you meant, I just have no clue where you assumed you needed to target like that in this game. This is a 3D simulated environment with NO flat plane to target at all. You don't ever need to "Click on a specific spot with your mouse".


If what you say is true then how can the wis even exist?

I don't know him well, but I assume because he stays in High Sec with a buttload of ships, each not worth ganking on their own, but as a fleet of many he can mine, or do other carebear crap in high-sec without attracting too much attention. He's just not doing anything interesting enough to warrant more than a few suicide ganks from people who are too busy doing interesting things.

/Guess

EDIT: I'll speak to this as well -

A single bard "speed" was able to basically stop the other teams progress completely on SZ

For one, if you are looking for a way to screw others over in a big way just by being a troll, EVE is probably the best and worst game for that. I'll leave it to you to find out for yourself why, I dont care to explain it to you. however, most corps would never put themselves in a position to be trolled like this. You probably wouldnt have the opportunity to screw anyone over like this unless you were willing to destroy a relationship you have worked hard to earn in the process. Not sure why either would be fun, or rewarding, but hey, be my guest.


I doubt any corp (let alone a single player) can completely prevent another corp from progressing.

Thats because again, you are coming from a position of ignorance, and don't understand at all the game you are talking about. I assure you, this is NOT an EQ / WOW model. If you aren't going to listen to us, and take what we say at face value, like when we tell you you stand more to lose by playing this game than any other, then please move on and talk about a different game with someone else. You are wasting our time. If this is a way for you to just re-live your "gloryhole days" in EQ1, why dont you just go back and play it, why try something more challenging?

Like I said, you are not up to the challenge, so move on.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I think if you look at this thread carefully you will see I asked questions, got good and reasonable answers up to post number 6. At post number 7 I took in the quality information and concluded that EvE was not for me.

That should have been the end of the thread.

Post 8 and 9 were basically attacks upon me, which I responded to by defending myself, and on it went (with some quality information provided by some posters).

And then we have your off topic attack on me which again leads to this response.

[MiRai]

Sam, I think you should try it out. It's another game that you can add to your multiboxing résumé. ;)

[EaTCarbS]

Sam, I think you should try it out. It's another game that you can add to your multiboxing résumé. ;)

+1

Eve is a very unique MMO experience that everyone should at least try. With the right ships and strategies, you can gain quite a bit of fame/infamy. 100 man Black ops Deathwalker Empire gogogogogo. Bring the goonswarm federation to its gold-trimmed knees!

[Morganti]

If you want money and infamy just roll a bunch of cloaky cyno alts and talk some bigger entity into paying you to afk cloak entire regions. You see someone ratting/mining/whatever you inform your employer who sets up a blops or titan bridge gang and you go pop cyno for them. I saw a guy do this in Provi named Replicator. Boring as hell for him I'm sure though, but it's a way to get infamous and possibly get paid.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=replicator%200001

[Mokoi]

Sam I was never attacking you, I was goading you using your past inadaquecies against you to make you want to prove me wrong and join the game and be my loot-pinyata, but I guess I failed, all you did was become indignant and presume authority over the very game you were so eager to know about in your original post.

As eloquantly stated, it's not us, it's you. Goodbye, safe travels.

[Crayonbox]

I really really want him to play eve :(

[moog]

I really really want him to play eve :(

Me too... was really hoping that the legend who "had won EQ1" would dive into Eve!
I even resubbed two accounts to get on some KMs :)

[Mercbeast]

If the PvP in EvE was at all interesting and or skill based the game would be amazing. Unfortunately the combat while requiring skill insofar as understanding mechanics, has such a low skill-cap that it is frustrating.

When a zerg of unskilled wonders like the Goons can be as successful in a game for as long as they have been, then that is all the evidence you need that actual in game combat performance is secondary to logistics and zerging. I can speak from a position of authority on this as my guild disbanded and broke up the Goons guild and alliance in another FFA open world full loot PvP game called Darkfall, outnumbered roughly 4000 to 150.

Everything about EvE made my mouth water, still does, except for the combat. I played seriously back when the game launched. Played with a friends Corp called Sin Corp I think. We ultimately produced the very first BS BP on the server and were allied up with MoO. Basically dominated everything for a short while before we all came to the same conclusion about the combat :(. It doesn't mean the game can't be fun. However as others have previously mentioned more than any other game out there it boils down to numbers. You can't be a big dick in EvE with a crew of 10 or 15 extremely elite gamers, because 30 or 40 average guys will just hot drop you and that is that.

For someone like Sam who depends soley on being the low skill zerger, that won't work, because he can get zerged by even more players who might even be even more low skill than him!

The sweet spot in EvE is probably running enough ships where you have a slight force multiplier, but not enough where you're worth an alliances effort to commit significant resources to hunting you down. Four or five is probably about tops I would guess in terms of PvP viability without dudes in Carriers waiting to drop on you with a fleet of buddies :)

[Mosg2]

Depending on what weapon system you use, there *is* a very high skill cap in combat; you have to manage your transversal, range, and speed relative to your target and what may or may not be called secondary or tertiary etc. There is also a high skill cap for choosing targets and when/if to swap. Of course, multiboxing, none of that really matters lol.

Wormhole space is the perfect place for multiboxers as there is no way for a larger corp or alliance to drop on you with overwhelming numbers. Even if you're just multiboxing 5 toons, it may be hard for them to muster twice your number depending on what time it is. If you're running 10 or 20... You're the massive soul-crushing blob :)

[Bradster]

I am kinda unhappy that after reaching some of my goals in wow I am less known now then I was when I was planning to play wow .....

Anyway I have some questions about eve.

This guy "The Wis" has like 100 to 149 accounts and all he does is "mine ice". He makes more then enough to pay for all his game time though from what I understand.

Is the fact that he dosnt pvp much is that the game requires you to ground target?

He says that isboxer will not allow more then 16 accounts per computer Is that true?

Is the lack of pvp by large boxers because there is limited advantage to multiboxing pvp or that they are just not proficient enough with isboxer to set it up right or the game macros are not sufficient or what?

A lot of articals transmute isk to $$ (make $35 an hour attacking something) but the rules seem to say that you cannot sell isk for RL monies, is that true? Is there a ligit way to make RL monies in this game?

Hey Sam,

Long time no see. I'm going to suggest the same thing that I did when you wanted to make the switch to wow.

Start up a single account. EVE is like no other mmo that you've played before. the learning curve puts off a lot of new players. I would recommend playing on 1,2 accounts for at least six months. You can figure out if this game is for you.

This will allow you to identify what aspects of the game you like. From there you can form a plan on what you want to do.

Running a large mining op is straight forward, easy to do but you must know how, where and when to move product.

Example in highsec I can mine with 3 toons and make about 20m an hour. In null sec I can make 120m an hour. Now anyone reading this that looks at my numbers would state "what are you smoking?!" I can or can't make that much etc. It's all about market, where's it going. these are things you pick up and learn as you go. Starting out you will be overwhelmed learning this game.

I give you credit, jumping in with no experience in wow and making it to level cap my hats off to you. To be honest I didn't think it would happen with such a radical change, but you did it. I give you credit where it's do. Looking back with the experience you have now I know you would have made changes.

To be successful in eve it's really critical that you actually try it for a while and learn it before getting in to it. Running large fleets get's attention. Many go out of there way to gank in highsec a fleet of that size. You'll need structure on to setup and configure logistics just right to make it worth wild. All things gained and learned from experience.

Eve is so in-depth with things to do each taking a while to learn. You don't want to waste months of paying for subscriptions to loose it all on a mistakes. They will happen! Better to learn the hardway on an account or 2 only.

Many people can't get in to this game. Even my best friend refuses to play this one with me, and we like all the same games for the most part. It's not for everyone.


Edit: If I saw a dude running x amount accounts and they were three months old all in Battleships. I could kill all of them with a cheap T1 frigate. Your going to want to know why and not have a PVP video of someone handed your ass to you. Just trying to look out for your best interest here. Try it on a small scale, get some experience. Which point you'll be looking good and have the experience to move forward and be a real threat or a money making machine.

[Bradster]

Case in Point Sam with myself and boxing Eve.

I recently returned and purchased 3 accounts with isk I had saved up. Got everything configured and started mining. Back in the day when I played years ago there was plenty of isk mining (money) to be had. Now in highsec in the area i'm in its awful. Its so bad I can make more isk with one guy doing pretty much anything else then what I was doing now with 5.

Had I waited a bit to get update myself on the experience of EVE today I would have gone a entirely different direction. Because I burnt most of my Isk on this venture I have a wait a long time to skill in to what I want to do now. In the mean time I have to use what I have now to make it work. Plus I had to move in to Null sec to make up for my mistake which is a logistical nightmare I didn't want with this configuration. But I have to adapt. Only my self to blame.

If you want to give this a real shot, I'm available some evenings on voice chat to help answer your questions. You'll have many new ones each day for a while in this one, trust me.