Lost in a hole

[Steel Dragon]

Since we derailed the incursion thread I thought I would post a proper one.

As some already know a few of us boxers are going into the wormhole business. In the current eve setup multiboxers are extremely powerful in wormholes due to the fact we can produce large constant numbers with few members online. As such we are getting together to live in a c5/c6. If you would like to join us join the in-game channel and see if it is right for you.

Current in game channel is: dual-boxing.com
Making a channel this evening when I get off work dedicating to this endeavor.

Ninjas edit complete. That's what I get for thinking I knew something

[Morganti]

Belay that, the in game channel is dual-boxing.com! Steel just wants you to duel him all day if you go to duel-boxing.com ;)

[LordsServant]

So, sorry about the delay.

A bunch of uppity noobs decided to invade my WH and figured that with 2 alliances vs 1 they'd be fine with their blob.

Unfortunately, we are literally the most powerful single alliance in wspace (NoHo comes close perhaps, but we're more pvp oriented).

http://disavowed.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=20810505

We're currently mopping up the remainder of their trapped forces in their towers, which come out of RF tomorrow.

I'll work on getting us a WH once we're all set and aren't on edge, should be a few days tops. ;)

Thanks for bearing with me.

[Mokoi]

I will put my name in for the Wspace endeavor. Mosg and I have been dedicated to finding out how to do this recently, and I can bring the following:

10 combat characters. - Currently training for tech 2 sentry drones, as well as working my way up to a Stratios.
I currently run 10 Gilas ratting in Angel null-sec space for money.
Long-term plans include either T3 strats or Nightmare / Incursion Fleet. I need some help deciding which would suit goals better from a multiboxing perspective.

10 Industry / PI / Blockade Cov Ops runners. Still training these, about a month or so before they can run the blockade runners. PI skills are good. Also good gate / whole scouts as they sit on a second monitor.

I live in Korea, which gives me the added benefit / disadvantage of being around when others are not. Myself and Mosg2 who both are in Korea can provide 20 ships in the time zones that most multiboxers and US players wont be available.

PS: I'd also love to have my alts in bombers at some point, since they will already have the covOps skills, to clean up any tight packed fights we may have.

I'm still pretty new to EVE, under 3m SP on my mains and under 2 on my alts, but I am sure that Wspace is for me.


Lords, I have a question. How do we make the Wspace thing work? Do we all need to be in the same corp / alliance? can we just standing each other to use the POS, buildings etc?

[LordsServant]

Aight, let me lay down some basic guidelines for some folks, and let y'all know where we are.

1. Ingame channel is dual-boxing.com. I will work on creating a more private channel we can use short term.
2. Ships used - for home sites, we will be using dreads, carriers, armor web lokis, with skirmish boosts minimum.

Here are the fits:

[Loki, c5 escalations]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane


Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter


280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S
280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP S


Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II


Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Guns and drones are for shooting frigates - those which you are TOLD to shoot. Never ever free fire on stuff unless you are 100% sure you know what you are doing. ;)
You may cheap out on the tank (t1 rigs, t2 mods), but the midslot faction is completely non-negotiable. You are also required to have Electronic subs to 5. Engineering and defensive to 5 are also HIGHLY reccomended, but 4 is a minimum. If you do not have these you will NOT be flying a loki for home sites with me, period.

It is also highly suggested you carry an extra 2 webs in your cargo, as there are times when we have lower loki numbers - target painters can be migrated to the dreads, but webs cannot.

Dreads:

[Moros, pve]
Capital Armor Repairer I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer


Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Republic Fleet Target Painter


Siege Module II
Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge XL
Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge XL
Ion Siege Blaster Cannon I, Antimatter Charge XL


Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Capital Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster II

[Naglfar, PVE]
Internal Force Field Array I
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II


Capital Shield Booster I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script


Siege Module II
6x2500mm Repeating Cannon I, EMP XL
6x2500mm Repeating Cannon I, EMP XL


Capital Projectile Metastasis Adjuster II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I
(Naglfar should have 3 tracking computers + 3 sensor boosters in cargo/fit total + a full set of active shield hardeners + at least 2 t2 Shield Boost amps or greater).

[Revelation, PVE]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Capital Armor Repairer I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane


Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Republic Fleet Target Painter


Siege Module II
Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL
Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL
Dual Giga Pulse Laser I, Blood Multifrequency XL


Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Capital Energy Metastasis Adjuster II





You may bling upwards on these fits, but not downwards. You are REQUIRED to have for ALL fits (yes shield too): a full set of passive A-Type non-energized armor resist mods (these are cheap, and 2x FACTION EANMs - Imperial Navy or equivalent - Shadow Serpentis is NOT ok), at least 2 total sensor booster(unless specified elsewhere), enough warp core stabilizers to fill the ENTIRETY of your low slots, and a complete set of capacitor regen mods(enough to fill ALL of your lowslots and midslots).


Phoenix are only useful for niche PvP uses, and are not useful for what we are doing here specifically. Naglfar>Moros>Revelation in terms of dreads.

Carrier:

[Archon, PVE]
Capital Armor Repairer I
Capital Armor Repairer I
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay


Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II


Triage Module I
Capital Remote Armor Repairer I
Capital Remote Armor Repairer I
Capital Remote Armor Repairer I
Capital Remote Capacitor Transmitter I


Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hornet EC-300 x50
Vespa EC-600 x50
Warrior II x100
Garde II x50

Thats it. Literally no other carrier is ok for PVE. Triage archon is the ONLY carrier acceptable as primary carrier for PVE. For second carrier, you can literally have a rainbow ecm fit hull tanked chimera. All you do is warp in and warp out for the spawn. Occasionally you stay behind and rep the salvaging noctis.

Static sites?

Ishtar:
[Ishtar, c5 wspace shield]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II


Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pithum C-Type EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Explosive Deflection Amplifier


Prototype Cloaking Device I
Drone Link Augmentor II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]


Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II


Garde II x5
Bouncer II x8
Garde II x2

[Gila, c5 wspace]
Internal Force Field Array I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II


Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Dread Guristas EM Ward Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II


Drone Link Augmentor I
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]


Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II


Garde II x5
Bouncer II x8
Garde II x2

[Basilisk, PVE RR]
Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster I
Damage Control II


10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II


Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large S95a Remote Shield Booster
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter


Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Cheap out on tank....in the words of scruffy the janitor, "iffin you dare." (Don't, you will die horribly in a ball of fire likely). ;)

[LordsServant]

These are PVP fits. The PVE fits will not change, but depending on how multiboxer-friendly these pvp fits are, they might be tweaked. I try to keep them modular as possible. I will readily admit I am not as familiar at multiboxing on the same scale as some of the folks joining me in the WH. ;)

[Dominix, pvp dirt cheap]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II


Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script


Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Drone Link Augmentor II


Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Garde II x5
Garde II x2
Bouncer II x8

[Armageddon, dirt cheap pvp]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Damage Control II
Energized Kinetic Membrane II


Large Micro Jump Drive
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I


Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I


Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I


Bouncer II x5
Bouncer II x2
Garde II x8

[Archon, full stack]
Centum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Centum C-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
Centum C-Type Energized Thermic Membrane
Corpum C-Type Energized EM Membrane
Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II


Target Painter II
Target Painter II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II


Capital Remote Armor Repairer I
Capital Remote Armor Repairer I
Drone Link Augmentor II
Capital Remote Capacitor Transmitter I
Capital Remote Capacitor Transmitter I


Capital Egress Port Maximizer I
Capital Remote Repair Augmentor I
Capital Trimark Armor Pump I


Garde II x1
Bouncer II x1
Warrior II x1
Hornet EC-300 x1
Vespa EC-600 x1
Wasp EC-900 x1

Carry no less than 100 (preferably 300+ of each sentry) of each of those drones. Also carry 2x Large Capacitor Battery, 2x Racial ECCM, 2x Sensor Booster, a full refit for warp core stabs, a full refit for cap regen, 3x Amarr Racial jammers(yes, really), 2x webs, 2x scram, 2x point. Also, carry at least one (preferably 2) extra drone link augmentors, for edge-case scenarios. Why passive? This is wspace. Until we are fielding 30+ carriers, we will very likely get capped out fighting numbers-intensive WH groups. This isn't nullbear space where all fights boil down to your FC telling you to hit F1 - ewar matters BIG TIME, and massed neuting legions + bhaalgorns are particularly prevalent. You WILL be neuted out if primaried, and I don't need carriers not pulling reps because their active hardeners are useless due to neuts.

For all of the above ships carry all relevant scripts/faction ammo. Dreads will need faction close range, midrange, and long range ammo. This is: Moros(Antimatter, Plutonium, Iron), Naglfar(EMP/Fusion, Titanium Sabot/Depleted Uranium, Carbonized), Revelation (Multifrequency, Standard, Radio).

Feel free to up-pimp, but no downpimping. You can swap out a-type ANPs on carrier fit for EANMs if you really want.

T2 siege is highly suggested. If you are a dread pilot, I expect you to be training this unless you are training for something equally important(which is tbh very unlikely). I have characters that can fly every super, capital, subcapital in game and can t2 rig, so if you have any issues fitting t2 rigs I will help you.




The cheap pvp ships will either be supported by massed archons, or triage archon(s).

Nidhoggurs, thanatos, and chimeras are absolutely not needed for pvp at all. They are simply weak links and killmails waiting to happen. Also, fighters are 100% useless for every situation ever, do not bother bringing any.

I will post more info/fits/respond to questions further.

I am currently networking and working on finding us a C6 WH. I'm friends with quite a few folks in multiple c5/c6 WH alliances, so we should be able to get some GFs should anything happen.

Also, should anyone decide they aren't interested in being good sports and invade us, I'll happily call 1-800-disavowed and bring my alliance over to curbstomp whoever is giving us trouble. ;)

With this being Wspace, good fights are very much the order of business - dropping 10-15 RR carriers every fight isn't very fun, and so we won't be using them TOO often. They are our "nuclear" option. Vast majority of our pew, at least for starters, will be defensive in our home WH with triage + multiboxed BS.

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Post wouldn't fit in one post. :P

[LordsServant]

As for other stuffs - I believe the eventual plan is to form an alliance.

If you have your characters in an alt corp, and have CEO of it, you are welcome to bring it in.

Everyone will be REQUIRED to have at minimum a Medium POS of their own to live out of. Large is recommended.

You will need a CHA (Corp Hanger Array), SMA (Ship Maintenance Array), and defenses. Multiple SMAs may be required. ;)

If you do NOT have your own alt corp, or want to simplify things, you are welcome to apply characters to my alt corp (and main corp for this endeavor) Everlasting Vendetta. (there is a . on the end).

The ceo should be the character "boge"

Be sure to app with the reason "name" with "name" being your mains anme or the name you prefer to be called on TS.

I will handle setting up your POS if you are in my corp. You will not have any POS roles; the POS will be set to password-only entrance. The ONLY person with that password will be you, and me. That way, everything in your POS is secure from other folks in corp.

Everyone should have at minimum 1-2 probing capable characters, and multiple probing ships in the WH at ALL times. If you can make a 1 day hero alt on one of your accounts, this is HIGHLY suggested.

We will have access to wormhole mapping software developed by people in my alliance, this is connected to using API/Website TRUST. Further details once you're in. :P

Everyone will need to be CONSTANTLY vigilant - this is wspace. There is no "safe" - ever. There are ways to mitigate this which I'll explain in detail when we do this. ;)

[Steel Dragon]

So looking into forming the alliance. The cost isn't the issue 1b up front then 2m/month/Corp so 5 corps is 10m lol. The issue is the skill needed to form it. Empire management lvl 5. I can have it in just over a month if we decide we want to do that. I leave that to the group just let me know if I need to train it.

[Mokoi]

Lords has that covered, I think ;)

[LordsServant]

I know several folks who have skills for that ;)

Also, wormhole located, at least as a temp one.

c5/c5, vanilla. It'll be good for folks to work with and get a baseline. If folks are solid we can move up into a c6 with relative ease from there, and I still have folks keeping eyes for specific ones.

[Mokoi]

Awesome. Will you be around to talk me through all of the different things we will need? Im not sure which racial towers are preferred etc.

-Dan

[pinotnoir]

I wish you guys the best of luck. It's going to be very difficult living in a wormhole with your low level toons. If you ever want to join a null sec alliance just pm me. We are moving to drone space from our current angel space.

[LordsServant]

If any of y'all are around, I've probe a chain down.

We have a heavy low in amarr space to move caps in (also 2 nullsecs, but not important).

We need to start moving folks in, esp POS etc etc.

[LordsServant]

We moved at least one guy in. Couldnt quite get steel due to work issues.

In case anyone was dragging their heels... http://uboachan.net/yn/src/1360549093445.gif

Srsly. :P

Got a few more things to move in - as for POS, you're going to need Caldari.

Anyone is welcome to come, we *CAN* use lower SP toons, but you'll be a bit more niche. The more guys we have, the more we can expand into chain. Lokis/dreads/carriers are the only things for home sites, but for static sites and even lower, like c3/c4 sites you can use all sorts of stuff.

[Steel Dragon]

Yes I was unable to get there with 45min before work. Sorry I suck :p

Hoping to get in there some time in the next few days. At least then we will have 2 well skilled people to help any lower so players that want try it. Also if it goes well the low sp players will soon have the risk to buy some skilled pilots to use while you train the ones.you have now.

[Icehound]

I'm getting back into Eve some day in the near future and found a bunch of $5 and $1 accounts over the past months so I've bought up a total of 12 account keys. Going to start slow with 3-4 accounts and save up money for PLEXes, etc., so maybe I'll join you guys when I get up and running. I haven't created any characters yet because I'm doing intel trying to decide the best way to get started, like doing L4s in 4 ravens or something like that. Considering Amarr since you don't have to buy missiles but I'm really at square 1. It'll be a while in other words. Nice to meet everyone! -Icehound

[Mosg2]

Lords, I work 12 hour days with 3 hours of transit. I'm free day after tomorrow to move my shit :)

[Darxider]

I wish you all well in this endeavour, regretably I am going to have to pull out for the time being. My set up as discussed at the beginning is primarily 5 characters, 3 of those are low SP (around 12m) and specialized into perfect drones, perfect armor and gallente battleship V. All of them are currently training support skills such as navigation, engineering, targetting and so forth to bring them up to at least 4 in each (5 in the important ones). Therefore, I can not easily change course into shields and both gallente cruiser/caldari cruiser for Gila's being as they are currently INT/MEM. Shields are of course on my plan but that is a few months away yet.

As you know, I fly Dominix's.. thats where my skills were directed, therefore I bought and fitted 8 domi's (2 per char) for wormhole PVE/PVP, and several other ships (Arazu, Falcon, Helios) along with a POS/fuel etc. Buying Gilas and associated fits at the moment is beyond any further investment I can make in this venture. Quite a few billion ISK has already been spent and I am running far to low to be comfortable.

I am still very much interested in living, pvp'ing and making money from wormhole life however it is clear it is not going to work for me (or you guys) for quite a few months until my skillsets of my lowest chars has filled out quite a bit. Therefore, given the substantial investment I have made towards this goal I am considering what to do next. It seems to make sense that I try living from a C3 or C4 for awhile whilst I skill up a bit, doing it solo obviously is far from ideal therefore anyone else who would consider teaming up would be awesome.

Hopefully, several months down the line I can move up to join the rest of you.

[LordsServant]

We have things sorted more in the WH.

I have arranged mapping software for us, making things much easier to probe for folks.

Things are settling in nicely, and we'll need to work just a bit more on getting the last of ships moved in.

Looking forward to making large quantities of isk, and perhaps getting a bit of pew once we're all set. :)

[Jsmb768ypl]

I know necro but are you guys still living out in the WH space? how did things turn out if you are not, or if you are what have you learned that can help others maybe looking to train to head out on some alts?

[Mokoi]

tank skills are paramount. With the new expansion, drone DPS will be really easy for people to get into, so that's not as huge of a problem as getting into T2 sentries is now. I would focus on what fleet you want to run, paying close attention to the changes happening this summer to faction cruisers and battleships.

If you like armor fleets, focus on getting your armor skills really high. If you prefer shields, the same applies.

I would look for a WH group who can help you, as far as I know Lord's might still accept multiboxers in his corp, but full disclosure I was in their alliance for a couple months, and ended up leaving. My reasons are my own, and I wouldn't say anything bad about Lord's or his corp.

Once you find a fun group to fly with, get their advice on ship doctrines to work towards.