Can we get some support maybe petition to get /follow back in wow Bg's??

[micron85]

im not endorsing any bad stuff like threats we could try something like get the wow multiboxer community to get together and say hey were here and we wanna player can we have our follow back even if its on a bnet specific basis meaning you have to apply for the /follow ability for bg's /rbg's xD i really miss doing bg's on low level's and my 90 shamans right as i really got hooked and leveled my 5 shamans 1-90 during av weekend i was about to commit to 5 more accts to step it up then they took our follow away i would think if we rally around in a positive way and getblizzard's attention just maybe we can get it back

p.s. i know im terrible at spelling/grammar

Sincerely Screwhat-Hydraxis

[Fat Tire]

I support not bringing follow back into bgs

[dfwfire]

Even if "we" multiboxers petitioned them for a return of /follow in BGs, it does not mean they necessarily would listen or implement it. As hated as "we" are, I'm not sure it is worthwhile for them to make that sort of change and have to deal with the backlash of the rest of the community. If Blizzard wanted a "truce" with us on the /follow issue, we probably would have heard something about it before or around the time they decided to remove it. Right now, generally speaking, the non-boxing PvPers are happy they aren't getting destroyed by us, Blizzard doesn't have to listen to as many people complain about the multiboxing issue in BGs, and we can still multibox both pve and pvp.

The fact remains that we are still able to multibox BGs. I'm not saying it is as easy or clean as it was when we had /follow - but we still can box them. Now I'll gladly support an official petition to Blizzard on our behalf, I'm just saying I would not get our hopes up but I wish anyone good luck who wants to start a petition.

[zenga]

leveled my 5 shamans 1-90 during av weekend i was about to commit to 5 more accts to step it up

And that is the issue ... people found ways to circumvent the normal 5 player limit that can queue up for BG's and turn an already very powerful 5m team into unstoppable 10m teams that have 1 button god mode. While that's definitely my personal subjective opinion, I've always found that 5 players are the limit of what can be called common sense in pvp. I actually warned way ahead of the /follow removal that those big groups would lead to some sort of action taken by Blizzard. And while I can't prove it I believe if there were no 5+ boxers around in pvp, /follow would still be enabled in bg's.

They could re-enable /follow for me if:
- the one that gets followed has to confirm that the other one can follow
- no more than 5 toons can be in a 'follow' group
If not then I'd rather not see it making a come back.

[dancook]

I would play again if I could /follow in BG :) I'm in favour!

[ebony]

And that is the issue ... people found ways to circumvent the normal 5 player limit that can queue up for BG's and turn an already very powerful 5m team into unstoppable 10m teams that have 1 button god mode. While that's definitely my personal subjective opinion, I've always found that 5 players are the limit of what can be called common sense in pvp. I actually warned way ahead of the /follow removal that those big groups would lead to some sort of action taken by Blizzard. And while I can't prove it I believe if there were no 5+ boxers around in pvp, /follow would still be enabled in bg's.

They could re-enable /follow for me if:
- the one that gets followed has to confirm that the other one can follow
- no more than 5 toons can be in a 'follow' group
If not then I'd rather not see it making a come back.

I feel the same way i think it was a big step in there choice on the table that night. They removed av pefoum saying they do not want players queuing up more then 5+ yet more and more boxers was going to ten boxing. computers got better more windows was getting easier.
Everyone said they nerver stop them because of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ well they did.

My POV

Still don't get why everyone is crying over this. It was removed to stop the easy (free) youtube bot. That to many was using. Bg's are fine without follow and am having a lot of fun in them! (btw the other way to stop that bot we would of hated even more.)


i can not see anything changing till warlords to be fair.

We can hope it be added in hc bg's they talked about just before blizzcon. (the prob is if bots are going to get there way in the games again.)

last time i got told they was toying with /follow on battle.net as bots would not really use it and it stop the 8+ boxers in av that is not fun for anyone.

All posting on the forums and stuff makes us look like 3 year old not getting candy even to us. We have a lot of hate as it is. We are unsupported.

Hell its like the old school dual-boxing using 5 pc's to box on using focus macros removing all the key maps out of wow's ui so the "clones" don't go running off. That made it when your "leader" dead you was more of less F**KED them days without /follow i understand. Now a days it just makes life a little easyer. its just retraining your self to play the "new" way.

Many talks with players that got banned last week from gm's for calling me names in /bg and then reporting me at the end of the game it was not me that got banned it was them for calling me every thing under the sun ya they only got a 2 day ban but still. (they came back and said sorry lol was a nice guy in the end.)

[Bigfish]

Multi-boxers get enough of a pass with all the software we use. Bottom line, we usually just don't get considered with these types of design decisions. It was a positive enough change, or at least neutral that not enough people demand it back. It cuts down on habitual afkers and dumb botters. Personally,I don't have a whole lot of respect for people using 5+accounts to blow the tar out of people, any more than I do for level capped folks ganking lowbies. If you're power trip means that much, find a workaround.

[heyaz]

I'm against adding /follow back to BGs. When they removed it, it instantly removed a ton of bad multiboxers flooding BGs. And bad in two ones - one, pay to win, not contributing, playing gimmick comps or running massively undergeared toons with poor setups and pissing people off more than bots; if they wanted to do batttlegrounds, they needed to put some effort into a proper setup and not just hop in and take up spots. Two - it removed the toxic type that abused the kick feature for anyone who didn't tell them how awesome their green geared quad disc priest (or whatever) comp was; even some skilled multiboxers with excellent setups and gear would abuse this and just boot anyone who looked at them the wrong way.

There were a ton of these boxers with the proliferation of software boxing and better hardware - everyone was doing it just because they could. They were no better than bots and in many cases contributed less. Battlegrounds, dungeons, and raids are not a playground for us to test things out or take up spots and troll. That negatively impacts other peoples' gameplay.

There were excellent workarounds found from day one - IWT pets and mounts; those who are still serious about doing battlegrounds are still doing them, and those who put in the time and effort to contribute, build a viable team, and so forth, would know how to use these workarounds.

You can still do BGs. This may sound brash, but if you can't figure out how to implement the workaround, you don't need to be clogging up a 10 or 15 man BG with your toons simply because you bought more accounts and feel entitled.

It's less of a problem now, but even if you were geared to the teeth, playing properly, and instagibbing other players, the other faction hated it. And in certain BGs it even caused your own faction to lose if you were tunnel visioned on just gibing players and not doing the objectives. Then both sides were pissed off. Hopefully there are few enough boxers now that this goes under the radar. I rarely BG anymore but when I do, I do the 40 mans which I am able to do with 10-15x and pretty much guarantee a win due to a turtle at our base. I'm sure the other faction is furious but at least it's better than ttrying to do a WSG or AB and not being able to cap flags or hold nodes and pissing off both factions.


I was not sure how to feel about it at first, but months later I've noticed overall it was a positive thing. Multiboxers abusing LFR and Dungeons, being toxic and not contributing is still a problem, but hopefully a lesser one. People seem to get more pissed off about PVP in general. I fear if this hadn't happened, Blizzard may've taken more drastic action against multiboxers.

[Lyonheart]

Multi-boxers get enough of a pass with all the software we use. Bottom line, we usually just don't get considered with these types of design decisions. It was a positive enough change, or at least neutral that not enough people demand it back. It cuts down on habitual afkers and dumb botters. Personally,I don't have a whole lot of respect for people using 5+accounts to blow the tar out of people, any more than I do for level capped folks ganking lowbies. If you're power trip means that much, find a workaround.

Its not a power trip for some of us.. for me.. BGs ( AV in particular ) was all about progressing all my toons at once. I pay to play multi accounts.. i should be able to progress them in any content at the same time. BGs were fun.. and yes its fun, in an evil kind of way, to "blow" people up as you say.. but its a lot more involved than that.

[Fat Tire]

Its not a power trip for some of us.. for me.. BGs ( AV in particular ) was all about progressing all my toons at once. I pay to play multi accounts.. i should be able to progress them in any content at the same time. BGs were fun.. and yes its fun, in an evil kind of way, to "blow" people up as you say.. but its a lot more involved than that.

You should re read what you type as you contradicted yourself. Also you were not progressing your characters by sitting in AV one shotting green geared characters. You and the other bg heroes were part of the problem no matter how much money was spent.

Edit: also I have had no problems doing bgs without follow

[ebony]

There is someone that does a lot of live steaming selling multiboxing, He seems to think blizzard are going to get more into "hating" us and removing core stuff from the game to keep us from doing this.


why does everyone think its so hard to get us out the game? Many of us have a lot of good accounts we had for a very long time with a lot of rare stuff. I feel blizzard are making it better for us the Stuff that's BOA is shard and are clones feel more like "alts" then clones now a days as a lot of stuff and even more getting added to be cross.


i feel if they wonted us gone we be gone, same with bg's we get banned there very few boxers its not going to be that hard to get us removed we very very easy to find.....

[Lyonheart]

You should re read what you type as you contradicted yourself. Also you were not progressing your characters by sitting in AV one shotting green geared characters. You and the other bg heroes were part of the problem no matter how much money was spent.

Edit: also I have had no problems doing bgs without follow


I meant my MAIN reason was to progress my team at the same time.. ie EXP and GEAR.. and i admitted that there is some guilty pleasure in one shotting players (NOT the main reason i box BGs).. that in no way contradicts my main point.

[Fat Tire]

I meant my MAIN reason was to progress my team at the same time.. ie EXP and GEAR.. and i admitted that there is some guilty pleasure in one shotting players (NOT the main reason i box BGs).. that in no way contradicts my main point.

Players on a power trip is the same thing as trying to justify one shotting player in greens. I am sure you left queuing for av as soon as you hit max level and honor gear right? Please dont make me call you an idiot, I am close.

[Lyonheart]

Players on a power trip is the same thing as trying to justify one shotting player in greens. I am sure you left queuing for av as soon as you hit max level and honor gear right? Please dont make me call you an idiot, I am close.

Call me what you want! im telling you i did not do BGs because i was on a power trip.. when playing a BG as a boxer.. you will one shot players.. and sometimes you will get owned by a group of skilled players..some boxers might run BGs for the sole purpose of "feeling powerful" and would match your accusations.. but that does not include me no matter how much you want to think so.

[Fat Tire]

Call me what you want! im telling you i did not do BGs because i was on a power trip.. when playing a BG as a boxer.. you will one shot players.. and sometimes you will get owned by a group of skilled players..some boxers might run BGs for the sole purpose of "feeling powerful" and would match your accusations.. but that does not include me no matter how much you want to think so.

Then why did you stop running bgs while they are still clearly viable for mutiboxers? I am not buying your reasoning

In reality I dont care why anyone plays, however alot of boxers did our clique quite a disservice and follow gone from bgs has removed a majority of bad actors. Follow gone is a win/win.

[Sam DeathWalker]

As fun as it was losing most of the AV's I was in (I would 10 box at most) due to the other side being a premade almost all the time now that its gone its no big deal. I completely destroy ally in world pvp on timeless isle so fast and easy 28 v 1 its hardly worth to brag about. I was plain stupid running 10 accounts while paying for 28 ......

[Ualaa]

Blizzard doesn't want my money, so someone else can have it.

[Sam DeathWalker]

What you should petition for is free character transfers to a pvp server. If you want to pvp then just go to the enemy capital or timeless isle and if there is balance between horde/ally there will be no shortage of pvp.

[Khatovar]

I have a lot of problems with Blizzard and the way they handle things, especially when it comes to bots, but petitions are pretty laughable. I don't know why the whole world thinks that petitions are the answer to everything.

I'm on the side of the fence that says "Did it to ourselves." Some people aren't content to practice and learn, they just want to ruin other people's day so they just add more and more accounts to buy their way to godmode. And then they go ahead and use that godmode to be as... unpleasant as possible, counting on Blizzard's vocal acceptance of multiboxing to back them up. Not just in BGs, but even outside the game. I've seen a lot of nasty, spoiled, bratty attacks in different forums where people are obviously getting off waving around "multiboxing is allowed" like some sort of Blizzard immunity that allows them to act like jackasses.

Well, this is what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you. Maybe it was all about the bots, but they certainly aren't going to stick their neck out for us if we're going to take a light-year when they gave us an inch. Unfortunately, a lot of the people that are doing it DGAF. Just like any other "loophole" they come across, they'll abuse the hell out of things as long as they can and when they can't, they find something else to exploit, or use it as justification for outright breaking the rules.

[ebony]

well we got a new wpvp zone next xpac (they nerver removed follow from tol/wg).

i really don't think they remove follow from this its what we us boxers been asking for years a 24/7 av/ioc!!! Every time av talked to a gm/cs rep about it they feel the same way as fat tire about it. I really don't think blizzard are as dum to know all boxers did 95% of the time was av-ioc why not make a zone for them players! If you want to go there have fun for 24/7 nuking players do it but not at the cost of ungeared green players in bg's. ya they be QQ from some fools but the hole point off the zone is a pvp sandbox!

This time there not making a epic fail by putting dayey quests or a raid in the middle off it. and to be fair you can never really win. (like the old school av days that went on for days)

To be fair they like our money and with a xpac. Some here and many others will be saying they leave /follow and then remove it for us to get the xpac i don't feel the same way. get your head out the box and think about the zone they are talking about. Its what we do every av-ioc weekend.

And don't forget blizz has staff that dual-box or used to dual-box am sure they got more say then what any of us here can say to them. (its called give and take)


And as for the (boxers that adds more accounts) to be god mode *cough* am sure they find a way to make that new zone a little harder for to many chars.

[Tonuss]

Instead of a petition, write them a letter or email explaining what you want and why. A long list of digital "yes" or "no" doesn't have as much impact as a well-written letter, and if they get enough of those they'll understand that there is enough interest to consider a change. If there isn't enough interest, it's just as well that they leave things as they are.

The new PVP zone in the next expansion might be a blessing for multiboxers, though I wonder if it will be a problem on those servers where there are multiple 10+ boxers who team up. Solo players may find it aggravating that even with population balancing, the group of ten to twenty people they managed to talk into forming a raid has little chance against the 30 to 80 character juggernaut that is rolling through the zone and annihilating everything in its path. On the other hand, multiboxers who aren't very good at PVP aren't taking up five slots out of ten or fifteen and making things tougher on their side because they suck or are just dumb. I always stayed out of BGs because I am just not a PVPer, but that new zone could be a way to try it out without disrupting the experience for others (aside from providing an easy five HKs at a time).

[Andreauk]

So they removed follow.. now if they removed the interact with target function would people still be boxing bg's? If they had enough complaints I think removing that would be next.

[ebony]

The new PVP zone in the next expansion might be a blessing for multiboxers, though I wonder if it will be a problem on those servers where there are multiple 10+ boxers who team up. Solo players may find it aggravating that even with population balancing, the group of ten to twenty people they managed to talk into forming a raid has little chance against the 30 to 80 character juggernaut that is rolling through the zone and annihilating everything in its path. On the other hand, multiboxers who aren't very good at PVP aren't taking up five slots out of ten or fifteen and making things tougher on their side because they suck or are just dumb. I always stayed out of BGs because I am just not a PVPer, but that new zone could be a way to try it out without disrupting the experience for others (aside from providing an easy five HKs at a time).

it use CRZ to help population balancing nothing can be 50/50, i think the 10+ or the really big boxers will have a lot to deal with there is some npcs and other stuff groups could use to slow down the boxers.



So they removed follow.. now if they removed the interact with target function would people still be boxing bg's? If they had enough complaints I think removing that would be next.

i Don't feel it be a problem for them to remove it. If they wonted us out the game (removing itw ctm or even /follow) is pointless its kinda simple to get us out. We be gone done for end of story game over. A simple change of TOS and start giving us the ban hammer once about half of us get banned for doing it am sure we get the hint we not welcome!

[sethlan]

I really care less about /follow being removed - AV and IOC horde loses 90% of the time anyways - after so many years horde still suck at it -been playing since vanilla and never had alliance char passed level 5+ I remember that day when AV (horde) cave got pushed back So we can't rush anymore- either you box or not. AB, is pretty much impossible to win - unless you get help from others WSG i can see a win- if you stack DKS on top with healer and just pug it. others get the flag back so you can cap it....

[EaTCarbS]

This thread is a steaming pile of shit.


All these 'negative' traits that posters are accusing multiboxers of having are just as prevalent in the non-multiboxing community. Don't kid yourselves.


https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause

[Bigfish]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

[Multibocks]

I only box for conquest points now. Honestly I would quit if I could max conquest x 5 classes that I like reliably.

[Ualaa]

I really care less about /follow being removed - AV and IOC horde loses 90% of the time anyways - after so many years horde still suck at it -been playing since vanilla and never had alliance char passed level 5+ I remember that day when AV (horde) cave got pushed back So we can't rush anymore- either you box or not. AB, is pretty much impossible to win - unless you get help from others WSG i can see a win- if you stack DKS on top with healer and just pug it. others get the flag back so you can cap it....

With the oQueue premades, and the Rathamus Vent server, the premade side (boxers or not) was winning closer to 99%.
In a season of play, the only close games were against other premades.
There wasn't a single loss in that time.

The issue wasn't boxers blowing people up (obviously, there was at least one boxer in any game I played... usually two or three 5-box teams), it was coordinated teams against uncoordinated teams.
There were/are alliance side premades too, probably with very similar results.

[heyaz]

This thread is a steaming pile of shit.


All these 'negative' traits that posters are accusing multiboxers of having are just as prevalent in the non-multiboxing community. Don't kid yourselves.

This game is full of toxic people, no doubt. I deal with it all the time.

The difference is the toxic, abusive, annoying solo players didn't fill X additional slots, have the ability to insta-kick anyone who looked at them the wrong way, downvote themselves from being kicked. And even so a lot of the toxic solo players, while trolling and being morons in instance/bg chat, at least usually contribute something. You know - the douchebag dps/tank/heal who had a bad day, at least performing some role... saying kick this low hps healer, kick that guy, kick this tank he got gouged by He, etc. is rarely the guy at the bottom of the list (they try not to draw attention since they're trying to get a carry).

[zenga]

I really care less about /follow being removed - AV and IOC horde loses 90% of the time anyways - after so many years horde still suck at it -been playing since vanilla and never had alliance char passed level 5+ I remember that day when AV (horde) cave got pushed back So we can't rush anymore- either you box or not.

Not going to deny that alliance has a big advantage in AV, but these are my AV stats on 4 different toons, matter of fact is that every toon I play has a positive win ratio for AV. I've never joined those big premades but 1 evening, for the last stats there will be a couple where I queued up with 1 or 2 friends, doing a random bg for points and get AV before the ban. On the last one 62% overall win ration and 57% for AV, which is close enough.

My point being as a solo player you can have a big impact on the typical AV outcome.

http://i.imgur.com/WdTKgic.jpg

[Fat Tire]

This new world pvp zone could be what the doctor ordered for large(5 or more) mutiboxers.



For players looking to engage in PvP combat on an epic scale, Warlords of Draenor introduces a new world PvP zone off of the north east coast of Tanaan Jungle. This new experience involves a raging battle that has no distinct beginning or end—instead, it offers constantly evolving objectives for participants to take part in. There will be items to gather, creatures to summon, and tons of action on multiple levels. While you can enter the fray sooner than level 100, you may find yourself biting off more than you can chew—enter at your own risk!
When first joining the battle, you’ll be presented with objectives based on the current status of the battle. The closer you get to your opponent’s base, the more difficult your tasks will become. Objectives will change at a moment’s notice based on events within the zone, and you may quickly find yourself switching from offense to rebuilding your fortress and gathering the materials needed to do so. There will also be faction-based vehicles—and some Iron Horde war machines—at your team’s disposal.
To provide a truly epic world PvP experience, the number of players and the amount of faction members allowed in the zone won’t be capped. Don’t worry, though—with cross-realm technology, the pool of potential allies (and enemies) is wider than ever.

[ebony]

This new world pvp zone could be what the doctor ordered for large(5 or more) mutiboxers.



For players looking to engage in PvP combat on an epic scale, Warlords of Draenor introduces a new world PvP zone off of the north east coast of Tanaan Jungle. This new experience involves a raging battle that has no distinct beginning or end—instead, it offers constantly evolving objectives for participants to take part in. There will be items to gather, creatures to summon, and tons of action on multiple levels. While you can enter the fray sooner than level 100, you may find yourself biting off more than you can chew—enter at your own risk!
When first joining the battle, you’ll be presented with objectives based on the current status of the battle. The closer you get to your opponent’s base, the more difficult your tasks will become. Objectives will change at a moment’s notice based on events within the zone, and you may quickly find yourself switching from offense to rebuilding your fortress and gathering the materials needed to do so. There will also be faction-based vehicles—and some Iron Horde war machines—at your team’s disposal.
To provide a truly epic world PvP experience, the number of players and the amount of faction members allowed in the zone won’t be capped. Don’t worry, though—with cross-realm technology, the pool of potential allies (and enemies) is wider than ever.





Ashran will allow you to collect scraps from other defeated opponents to build something like strong armor, a vehicle, or launch a wave of NPCs at the enemy. Players may even have longer term objectives they can work on that span multiple days.

[MiRai]

While I've had many good times providing a solo support role when playing with others who were multiboxing, I would say, overall, most multiboxers who were in battlegrounds (< 40-man) were truly a hindrance to the rest of their team and such a thing could only go on for so long before Blizzard made a change (whether indirect or not).

You can blame it on whatever you want, but I won't disagree with some of the other posters in this thread that there were definitely multiboxers who PvP'd solely for the sake of being the biggest dick that they could.

Anyone that multiboxes in World of Warcraft should know that Blizzard's stance on the playstyle is that they do not support it -- Never have and, most likely, never will. However, they do tolerate it and allow it, but they would never reinstate /follow to random battlegrounds for the sole purpose of bringing back multiboxers because that would mean they've begun supporting it.

If you expect Blizzard to reinstate /follow back into random battlegrounds then you will need a more valiant cause besides "I want to multibox in random battlegrounds again because I found it fun and exciting!"

[Bigfish]

I have high hopes for the new PvP zone. I actually prefer PvE goals with PvP enabled, because otherwise it's just about slaughtering other people or playing capture the flag or whatever those darn kids are doing in BGs these days. Was always fun to box AV though and wreck drek'thar.

Go kill 30 people just cuz never really appeals to me.

[ebony]

While I've had many good times providing a solo support role when playing with others who were multiboxing, I would say, overall, most multiboxers who were in battlegrounds (< 40-man) were truly a hindrance to the rest of their team and such a thing could only go on for so long before Blizzard made a change (whether indirect or not).

You can blame it on whatever you want, but I won't disagree with some of the other posters in this thread that there were definitely multiboxers who PvP'd solely for the sake of being the biggest dick that they could.

Anyone that multiboxes in World of Warcraft should know that Blizzard's stance on the playstyle is that they do not support it -- Never have and, most likely, never will. However, they do tolerate it and allow it, but they would never reinstate /follow to random battlegrounds for the sole purpose of bringing back multiboxers because that would mean they've begun supporting it.

If you expect Blizzard to reinstate /follow back into random battlegrounds then you will need a more valiant cause besides "I want to multibox in random battlegrounds again because I found it fun and exciting!"

so ture, i do good in bg's in my eyes i play solo to see how many games i win or lose, there is some "hate" but half the time there ok with me. somtimes i do feel in the "way" where am getting cced and nuked at a gy but to be fair games like that happen with me or without me.

I think all group play should get removed from random bg's to be fair when u get a full group off conquest players are going to be more of a pain then a boxer. i think if they keep /follow this was going to happen and to be fair this be the next thing that stop the boxers can do bg's without follow. Whatever came 1st we be mad!

Saying that with or without /follow i do the same.

[EaTCarbS]

While I've had many good times providing a solo support role when playing with others who were multiboxing, I would say, overall, most multiboxers who were in battlegrounds (< 40-man) were truly a hindrance to the rest of their team and such a thing could only go on for so long before Blizzard made a change (whether indirect or not).

By design of the game, anyone who queues in quest greens is also a hinderance to the team. People who don't care to use all of their classes' abilities are a hinderance. People who keyboard turn are a hinderance. Multiboxing has nothing to do with the big picture. I'm not sure if you're implying that multiboxers being detrimental to the team is part of/is the reason they removed follow, but to do so would be unfounded.


You can blame it on whatever you want, but I won't disagree with some of the other posters in this thread that there were definitely multiboxers who PvP'd solely for the sake of being the biggest dick that they could.

I don't think anyone disagrees with that - just go listen to Prepared talk. The point of contention is whether the particular actions of multiboxers lead to the change.


Anyone that multiboxes in World of Warcraft should know that Blizzard's stance on the playstyle is that they do not support it -- Never have and, most likely, never will. However, they do tolerate it and allow it, but they would never reinstate /follow to random battlegrounds for the sole purpose of bringing back multiboxers because that would mean they've begun supporting it.

If you expect Blizzard to reinstate /follow back into random battlegrounds then you will need a more valiant cause besides "I want to multibox in random battlegrounds again because I found it fun and exciting!"

10/10 would copy/paste

Ultimately, Unless we can probe the minds of the people at Blizzard, folks here will continue holding onto their "Blizzard hates multiboxers now" conspiracy theories. In the grand picture, follow had no real use in battlegrounds besides multiboxing and botting.


so ture, i do good in bg's in my eyes i play solo to see how many games i win or lose, there is some "hate" but half the time there ok with me. somtimes i do feel in the "way" where am getting cced and nuked at a gy but to be fair games like that happen with me or without me.

I think all group play should get removed from random bg's to be fair when u get a full group off conquest players are going to be more of a pain then a boxer. i think if they keep /follow this was going to happen and to be fair this be the next thing that stop the boxers can do bg's without follow. Whatever came 1st we be mad!

Saying that with or without /follow i do the same.

Grouping is available for everyone who plays the game. Those who do group should not be penalized because others choose not to play with their friends/guildies.

[MiRai]

while i've had many good times providing a solo support role when playing with others who were multiboxing, i would say, overall, most multiboxers who were in battlegrounds (< 40-man) were truly a hindrance to the rest of their team and such a thing could only go on for so long before blizzard made a change (whether indirect or not).by design of the game, anyone who queues in quest greens is also a hinderance to the team. People who don't care to use all of their classes' abilities are a hinderance. People who keyboard turn are a hinderance. Multiboxing has nothing to do with the big picture.
By those definitions, it sounds like everyone who isn't the best player on each team is automatically considered a hindrance, but that's definitely not the case.

The point was that even after everyone is on the same gear/skill level, a multiboxer still needs to be damn good in order to pull their weight in a random battleground, and very few really were (I think this has been proven in Arena).

I think Ghostcrawler (https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/status/322396622594125824) said it best with, "The problem is when multi boxers are having fun in PvP, everyone else often is not." I'd say this statement was true, most of the time, when referring to random battlegrounds.

I had played solo in numerous battlegrounds where a multiboxer (either on my side or the opposing side) was absolutely terrible. They're either constantly CC'd, facing the wrong direction, or half of their team is sitting at the graveyard already rezzed, but completely idle, while the other half is killed off, and then has to wait for another rez timer.

In my opinion, that's one of the main reasons why most multiboxers were only successful in the 40-man battlegrounds, because, in there, everyone is expected to only put in 10-15% of real effort in order to win those.

Don't get me wrong, like I said, I had plenty of good times during the Legion of Boom era in Wrath where we'd play defense in Alterac Valley and get perfection over and over again, but I can't remember that we were really all that successful in any battleground except a 40-man.


I'm not sure if you're implying that multiboxers being detrimental to the team is part of/is the reason they removed follow, but to do so would be unfounded.
No, but it's part of the reason why /follow is unlikely to return regardless of how many multiboxers would like it to.

[Shodokan]

While I've had many good times providing a solo support role when playing with others who were multiboxing, I would say, overall, most multiboxers who were in battlegrounds (< 40-man) were truly a hindrance to the rest of their team and such a thing could only go on for so long before Blizzard made a change (whether indirect or not).

You can blame it on whatever you want, but I won't disagree with some of the other posters in this thread that there were definitely multiboxers who PvP'd solely for the sake of being the biggest dick that they could.

Anyone that multiboxes in World of Warcraft should know that Blizzard's stance on the playstyle is that they do not support it -- Never have and, most likely, never will. However, they do tolerate it and allow it, but they would never reinstate /follow to random battlegrounds for the sole purpose of bringing back multiboxers because that would mean they've begun supporting it.

If you expect Blizzard to reinstate /follow back into random battlegrounds then you will need a more valiant cause besides "I want to multibox in random battlegrounds again because I found it fun and exciting!"

Wish i had my old screenshot of my 85+% win rate for eots/warsong/gilneas

But i agree, overall boxers do not belong in battlegrounds. If we are not a hindrance and are indeed strong then it is a stomp and isn't any fun for the opposing team or close to competitive, honestly i've had a bunch of teams over the years complain about being bored when you stomp.

[MadMilitia]

I'm against adding /follow back to BGs. When they removed it, it instantly removed a ton of bad multiboxers flooding BGs. And bad in two ones - one, pay to win, not contributing, playing gimmick comps or running massively undergeared toons with poor setups and pissing people off more than bots; if they wanted to do batttlegrounds, they needed to put some effort into a proper setup and not just hop in and take up spots. Two - it removed the toxic type that abused the kick feature for anyone who didn't tell them how awesome their green geared quad disc priest (or whatever) comp was; even some skilled multiboxers with excellent setups and gear would abuse this and just boot anyone who looked at them the wrong way.

There were a ton of these boxers with the proliferation of software boxing and better hardware - everyone was doing it just because they could. They were no better than bots and in many cases contributed less. Battlegrounds, dungeons, and raids are not a playground for us to test things out or take up spots and troll. That negatively impacts other peoples' gameplay.

There were excellent workarounds found from day one - IWT pets and mounts; those who are still serious about doing battlegrounds are still doing them, and those who put in the time and effort to contribute, build a viable team, and so forth, would know how to use these workarounds.

You can still do BGs. This may sound brash, but if you can't figure out how to implement the workaround, you don't need to be clogging up a 10 or 15 man BG with your toons simply because you bought more accounts and feel entitled.

It's less of a problem now, but even if you were geared to the teeth, playing properly, and instagibbing other players, the other faction hated it. And in certain BGs it even caused your own faction to lose if you were tunnel visioned on just gibing players and not doing the objectives. Then both sides were pissed off. Hopefully there are few enough boxers now that this goes under the radar. I rarely BG anymore but when I do, I do the 40 mans which I am able to do with 10-15x and pretty much guarantee a win due to a turtle at our base. I'm sure the other faction is furious but at least it's better than ttrying to do a WSG or AB and not being able to cap flags or hold nodes and pissing off both factions.


I was not sure how to feel about it at first, but months later I've noticed overall it was a positive thing. Multiboxers abusing LFR and Dungeons, being toxic and not contributing is still a problem, but hopefully a lesser one. People seem to get more pissed off about PVP in general. I fear if this hadn't happened, Blizzard may've taken more drastic action against multiboxers.

What?

This bit about players entering BG to test things, to troll and to gear up is nothing new. Players do that all the time. It isn't out of the ordinary for the entire AV team to have the same motives. Blaming this sort of behavior on multiboxing is absurd.

Similarily the LFR setup suffers the same problem. It is a player problem, not a multiboxing problem. The only way to fix this problem is to get rid of randoms. When rep actually matters people stop acting like dicks.

[ebony]

Wish i had my old screenshot of my 85+% win rate for eots/warsong/gilneas

But i agree, overall boxers do not belong in battlegrounds. If we are not a hindrance and are indeed strong then it is a stomp and isn't any fun for the opposing team or close to competitive, honestly i've had a bunch of teams over the years complain about being bored when you stomp.

and we did not say every boxer ;) And to be fair the that had more skill a better setup right class can still do all bg's (but wg)


I think most boxers don't care about wining or losing they just like muti tasks to do and kill as many players or npc's or tanks as they can! and thats why i got high hopes for the world pvp zone.


Maybe we can see /follow back in HC BG's where you don't need to que up as 10. and are matched with pemade groups (or though like RBG we suck there! that makes the hole point we going on at 100%!)

[daviddoran]

I'd be happy if they just put /follow back in the 40 man BGs, and let any size group queue for that size. But it's never gonna happen. World PvP, and the new PvP zone is where it's at now.

[EaTCarbS]

I'd be happy if they just put /follow back in the 40 man BGs, and let any size group queue for that size. But it's never gonna happen. World PvP, and the new PvP zone is where it's at now.

We can't really say that for sure. My guess is that you'll still need to grind bgs to get the gear, or you'll just get facerolled. I doubt they'll add some function that will let you skip the long grinding - they put those grinds in on purpose to keep people playing.

[SherlockH1]

I'm happy they removed it to be honest.

[Fursphere]

/disclaimer
I haven't multiboxed in 3 years. I havne't played wow in 2+ years
/disclaimer

I really feel they should have just banned multiboxer who were farming the system to level toons, farm honor / otherwise exploit BGs. (this would fall under their "ruining the spirit of the game clause)

I did quite a bit of battlegrounds back when I was playing - I sucked horribly at arenas, so I stayed out of them - but I did pretty damn good in BGs. I did a lot of 5 man AV where I actually tank / healed and DPS'd the NPC objectives. I did 4+1 WSG where I actually got the Ironman achievement (I think thats what it was called?) with my bro twice (one toon captures all three flags in one game). Did a lot of crazy stuff in AB as well. And whatever that 20 man one was? the Nexus? Ya. had a ton of fun there performing multiple roles. Basically figure out where the rest of your is good/bad at, and fill in the gaps.

Its about knowing your role as part of the bigger team. 5 toons in AV doing nothing kills the "team". If you can't do your part, you have no business there (GTFO). 5 toons playing badly in WSG DESTROYS the game for team unless you really know your sh!t (and the rest of your team knows what your capable of, strengths and weaknesses included).

Unfortunately, blizzard took the scorched earth approach. Where the bad boxers ruined it for everyone. Pretty lame.

Oh well. There is plenty of other crap still to 'box in WoW. Enjoy boxing while it lasts - complainers on the forums win the devs over in the long run. This thread is proof of that enough.

[Kruschpakx4]

Its about knowing your role as part of the bigger team. 5 toons in AV doing nothing kills the "team". If you can't do your part, you have no business there (GTFO). 5 toons playing badly in WSG DESTROYS the game for team unless you really know your sh!t (and the rest of your team knows what your capable of, strengths and weaknesses included).
Unfortunately, blizzard took the scorched earth approach. Where the bad boxers ruined it for everyone. Pretty lame.


actually it doesnt matter if multiboxers are good or bad because if your good the other side complains if you're bad your side complains, in the end you got an equal amount of people hating you, so I dont see the point where this would affect blizzards decision

they've also brought back follow in arenas and (for me) that supports their intention to hurt bot users

after all we knew it could end every day, every expansion, same goes for follow in open world / pvp zones

[Fursphere]

actually it doesnt matter if multiboxers are good or bad because if your good the other side complains if you're bad your side complains, in the end you got an equal amount of people hating you, so I dont see the point where this would affect blizzards decision

they've also brought back follow in arenas and (for me) that supports their intention to hurt bot users

after all we knew it could end every day, every expansion, same goes for follow in open world / pvp zones

Ya, I had a post in the early days of the Burning Crusade expansion on the official forums where someone was hating on multiboxes and saying this and that. I pointed out to them that removing /follow from the game would pretty much kill off 99% of the boxer population. And that was before the click to move / interact with target thing worked.