Sam DeathWalker 5.4 28 Box SOLO of Galleon

[Sam DeathWalker]

Sam DeathWalker 5.4 28 Box SOLO of Galleon

I would think that this makes me the most powerful WoW player ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihFRES5vaV0

It took 9.3 minutes.

Also after 5.4 with the vengeance nerf prot pals and blood dks may not be able to solo Galleon anymore, and thus anything before 9-10-13 no longer counts.

At any rate someone would have to solo Galleon in under 9.3 minutes to beat me and claim “most powerful”.

Check out the log: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/iubmiv44mxj5en67/ If you look at the list of spells used I think we can conclude that it’s a bit more then “aoe spam”.

Also I am just destroying opponents in pvp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPops5Wsz3c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YchtND7FPs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC_y00hqG6U

All Videos are in HD!

I’ve posted here at Dual Box first to test my claim of “most powerful”, before I hit the wow forums and my site. Comments?

[ebony]

hi,


gz

or

*bow*

[Multibocks]

nm..

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Looks like fun, Sam. How much clicking are you doing in the Galleon fight? Curious how you're weaving in healing and such.

[zenga]

I’ve posted here at Dual Box first to test my claim of “most powerful”, before I hit the wow forums and my site. Comments?

Is it that day of the month again ... now since you ask for it ...

1) You can't just decide on your own what the rules are to claim that title (I personally think none gives a flying fuck, but let's just pretend some do) ... There are guys that have been doing it solo, and you decide that all in a sudden doesn't count due to 1 change. Well, the patch had many changes as well. One notable changes was the availability of free epics on the island. Should we say that you can't use those either? Fact is that some guys have done solo what you have done with a group of what, 30?

2) You say that it's a bit more than arcane explosion. Yeah I noticed all your casters meleed the boss :D But seriously, arcane explosion is good for roughly 30% of your mages their damage. ... The damage is absolutely horrible for your gearlevel. I mean people were pulling more than what you do now in dragon soul, more than 1,5y ago and 100 ilvl lower ... With a simple arcane macro you'd absolutely destroy the boss and do like double the damage you do now.

The most important thing in WoW is to enjoy what you are doing. And if that is killing galeon the way you did, by all means. But to conclude once more that this makes you god, ...

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well if others can solo Galleon in under 9 minutes fine, lets see it. You claim this or that but proof is in accomplishments not theory crafting. If someone has another test for the "most powerful" lets see it. Galleon is a tough world boss mob and available to everyone, so far I am the only person to solo it with any number in 5.4. I am sure that a lot was done in prior times before some things, that were legal at the time, are nerfed now. Clearly the devs did not want whatever they nerfed to be in the game. I don't make the rulz, the devs do. My claim is that I am the most powerfull today, in 5.4. If you have a video to show me Ill be happy to see it. You can claim that someone who does it with fewer characters in a longer time is more "skilled" but you can't claim "more powerful". Powerful is who downs the mob the fastest, regardless of numbers. My Isboxer macro is 90 or so steps long for this fight, plus another for the stomp (3 steps) and another for single target (8 or so steps), the healing is weaved into the 90 step macro. There are multiple mobs in this fight, I would be stupid to not aoe, of course 30 percent of the damage in aoe, as it should be. Why would a mage not use aoe in a fight where there are multiple mobs ..... Are you looking at my dps against Galleon only or against all mobs. I am sure if I was controlling one character I would do more dps, I have a 1.6 second per step and cant cast out of that range, so someone who can cast anytime will of course do more dps. Also archane mages will do a lot more dps at the start of the fight but fire will be constant throughout. Well if doing 30 percent of damage with one spell means that its the only spell I use well ..... As you can see from the list I am using well over 40 different spells. Why don't you tell me what a fair test for most powerful player in wow would be

[luxlunae]

Is it that day of the month again ... now since you ask for it ...

1) You can't just decide on your own what the rules are to claim that title (I personally think none gives a flying fuck, but let's just pretend some do) ... There are guys that have been doing it solo, and you decide that all in a sudden doesn't count due to 1 change. Well, the patch had many changes as well. One notable changes was the availability of free epics on the island. Should we say that you can't use those either? Fact is that some guys have done solo what you have done with a group of what, 30?

2) You say that it's a bit more than arcane explosion. Yeah I noticed all your casters meleed the boss :D But seriously, arcane explosion is good for roughly 30% of your mages their damage. ... The damage is absolutely horrible for your gearlevel. I mean people were pulling more than what you do now in dragon soul, more than 1,5y ago and 100 ilvl lower ... With a simple arcane macro you'd absolutely destroy the boss and do like double the damage you do now.

The most important thing in WoW is to enjoy what you are doing. And if that is killing galeon the way you did, by all means. But to conclude once more that this makes you god, ...

I'm afraid I agree. Everyone should play however they want to to have fun, but the claiming of bestest wow player ever is just annoying.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Its foolish to suggest this list is "aoe spam":


Ancestral Awakening, Ancestral Vigor, Angelic Bulwark, Angelic Bulwark, Anti-Magic Shell, Arcane Brilliance, Arcane Explosion, Ardent Defender, Ascendance, Ascendance, Asphyxiate, Atonement, Atonement, Avenger's Shield, Bastion of Glory, Blessing of Kings, Blessing of the Celestials, Blessing of the Celestials, Blood Boil, Blood Burst, Blood Charge, Blood Gorged, Blood Parasite, Blood Plague, Blood Shield, Blood Tap, Bone Shield, Borrowed Time, Burning Wrath, Cannon Barrage, Capacitor Totem, Cauterize, Cauterized, Chain Heal, Chains of Ice, Chaos Wave, Chaos Wave, Chilled, Claw, Colossus, Combustion, Combustion Impact, Consecration, Consecration, Conversion, Conversion, Crimson Scourge, Curse of Enfeeblement, Curse of the Elements, Dancing Rune Weapon, Dancing Rune Weapon, Dark Bargain, Dark Bargain, Dark Command, Dark Intent, Dark Soul: Knowledge, Dazed, Dazed - Avenger's Shield, Death Grip, Death Grip, Death Strike, Death Strike, Demonic Rebirth, Demonic Rebirth: Cooldown, Dispel Magic, Divine Aegis, Divine Shield, Divine Star, Divine Star, Doom Bolt, Earth Shield, Earth Shield, Earthliving, Earthliving Weapon, Elemental Force, Evangelism, Fear Ward, Fire Shot, Fireball, Fist of Justice, Flask of the Earth, Focused Will, Forbearance, Frost Armor, Frost Fever, Frost Nova, Grace of Air, Grand Crusader, Grand Crusader, Guardian of Ancient Kings, Hand of Gul'dan, Hand of Gul'dan, Healing Stream Totem, Healing Stream Totem, Healing Stream Totem, Healing Tide, Healing Tide Totem, Heating Up, Holy Prism, Holy Prism, Horn of Winter, Ice Ward, Ice Ward, Icebound Fortitude, Ignite, Impaling Pull, Inferno Blast, Inferno Blast, Inner Fire, Interrupt, Judgment, Judgments of the Wise, Lay on Hands, Lightweave, Mana Leech, Mass Resurrection, Master Demonologist, Melee, Metamorphosis, Mindbender, Mirror Image, Mirror Image, Mirror Image, Mirror Image, Molten Core, Mortal Cleave, Nether Tempest, Nether Tempest, Nether Tempest, Pain Suppression, Perdition, Power Word: Shield, Prayer of Mending, Protection of the Celestials, Purgatory, Purify, Pyroblast, Pyroblast!, Pyromaniac, Raise Dead, Rapture, Recently Mass Resurrected, Reckoning, Remorseless Winter, Remorseless Winter, Restorative Mists, Resurgence, Riposte, Riptide, Ritual Enslavement, Rune Strike, Sacred Shield, Sacred Shield, Scent of Blood, Scorch, Seal of Insight, Shadowcrawl, Shadowflame, Shield of the Righteous, Shield of the Righteous, Shroud of Purgatory, Smite, Spirit Link, Spirit Link Totem, Static Charge, Stomp, Strangulate, Summon Terrorguard, Summon Terrorguard, Summon Wrathguard, Supplication, Temporal Ripples, Temporal Shield, Threatening Presence, Tidal Waves, Twist of Fate, Unending Resolve, Unholy Blight, Vampiric Blood, Vengeance, Void Shift, Water Shield, Water Shield, Weakened Blows, Weakened Soul, Will of the Necropolis, Will of the Necropolis, Windsong, Windsong, Windsong, Yu'lon's Bite

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well sure there are lots of lists rating people by one criteria or another, highest stats, most pvp killz, most achivments, highest ratings, most BG wins, and guilds who have the fastest progression, who is first to 90 etc. Im not the only person who sees wow as competition. Let those who see it as competiton compete and those who see the game as more of a social endeavor be sociable, there is room for all. Is it annoying that some people play golf for fun and its social aspects but that Tiger Woods plays it competitivly and tries to be the best or claims to be the best. Is it annoying that the SF 49ers try to win every game and win the superbowl to be the best football team?

[Sam DeathWalker]

complete ANY current PvE raid in the same or better time than it takes a group of normal players to do any YOU have? Or who has. That's a good test but one that no one has done, at least in 5.4. And stacking vengeance takes limited skill given its passive nature. There is a reason that only classes with vengeance stacking have done Galleon solo prior to 5.4. For raids I will be limited to 25 man raids, whereas someone with 5 box can do a 5 man raid and maybe succeed, clearly as you have less toons to control you can spend more time on each one. If someone can box a 25 man raid and I can't (which I don't think I can) then sure they beat me. I would agree Galleon is tank and spank but he is doing 250Kish damage every 2 or so seconds that a LOT of damage. You say my dps isn't so good but my total dps seems greater then anyone ever. Add up my total damage over nine minutes and if someone can put out more damage on a dpm basis over time (if I went archane my dps would be a LOT more for the first minute) then they are more powerful, assuming they are also healing and tanking as well .... If I were to pvp anyone who claims to be better then me they would be dead at my feet. How you can twist that they guy who is dead is somehow "more skillfull" or "better" then the guy that killed him is odd to say the least. Right now the world record in 5.4 is Galleon dead in 9 minutes 3 seconds, if you can beat it then do so, if you can't then what is there to argue about? IF you can do a 25 man raid in 5.4 then do it, if you can't then what is there to argue about? Skill would be killing the mob with fewer characters, and if someone were to do so I would agree they are more skillful then I am (although again how much skill does it take to stack vengeance?), yet no one has done it in 5.4, yet. Powerful does not imply skill, which is why they are two sepreate words, powerful means who can kill the mob the fastest with any number of characters under the control of one person. I am the most powerful, and right now the most skilled until someone does it with fewer characters in 5.4 (which I am sure will happen at some point). But I will still be the most powerful, but not the most skilled.

[MiRai]

First of all, Sam... did you just give away your special 90-step castsequence that you wouldn't let go for $5,000?

Second, this is for anyone that doesn't like SDW and is thinking of posting in this thread:

If you can't handle what he's got to say, then don't post in this thread with hate and name calling. Is it really that difficult to just ignore what he has to say? No one is asking anyone to post in this thread with a message of congratulations for what he has achieved, but it was something that was achieved none-the-less. If anyone wants put their money where their mouth is and take down Galleon while multiboxing, then by all means... do it -- And record yourself doing it so that you've got some proof.

This forum is about multiboxing and the hate toward SDW as a multiboxer is getting old quick. At least he's trying to accomplish something others aren't (whether it's current tier content or not).

Criticism is fine. Blatant hatred and name calling is not going to be tolerated.

[Mokoi]

Sorry Mirai. I'll walk away.

[EaTCarbS]

Its foolish to suggest this list is "aoe spam":

http://i.imgur.com/jhyELW9.png

no, not really. The fact that you use Arcane Explosion to begin with is rather amusing.

"Smash the keyboard linked to a large amount of characters and hope something dies" strategy.

Why don't you just make arcane mages and macro their dps rotation?

[Cptan]

Sam, I salute you for maintaining 28 accounts. Not easy at all. I have no problem with hardware or software support for even more accounts, but the time needed to bring the toons up and gear them will simply burn me out. Just the thought itself is going to drive me away from keyboard. Regardless, I say gratz to you for achieving your objective, and alway enjoy what you are doing.

Maybe it is just me, but with Sam around, this site is more interesting. No?

Cheers!

[Sam DeathWalker]

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/iubmiv44mxj5en67/details/31/



There are 30 damaging spells total

There are more fireballs casts then arcane explosion. 1087 vs. 1034, seems its more of a fireball spam.

There are over 5000 Nether Tempest Ticks, seems its more of a mage bomb spam.

Also another point is that I reforge OUT OF hit and into crit on mages because I have to both pve and pvp and just use the best gear I have instead of two sets. Hit is useless in pvp so I go for: Crit, Haste up to pyroblast in under 3 seconds (with the ice armor), then mastery. Fire mastery is not so good. So basically I try for a set haste then max crit (good for pve and pvp) while minimize Hit, excess haste and Mastery.

My dps against Galleon would be better with more hit.

If you only do a dps rotation you don’t do the cooldowns, at least on the same key. My single key solution also checks for cooldowns, you can see in the video how the Terroguards were summoned towards the very end of the fight, because I check for cooldowns.

I think its more of a “spam a single key and know everything will die, its just a matter of how long it will take” strategy.

[Asterix]

tbh I don't like the way you promote it.

but anyway: congrats to the galleon kill.

[Saqor]

Calling yourself the most powerful WoW player ever is going to grind some gears and whatnot, but in any case I salute your accomplishment - and I kinda have a feeling you thrive on the controversy anyway, to each their own and all that.

[Tonuss]

Have you thought about a separate set of gear with +hit that you can use for Galleon, or is it that you need to deal with people attacking you while you killed Galleon?

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well obviously I have killed Galleon with the poor hit gear, no need to have a separate set. I was responding to some statements that my dps per character is poor. Even though I am on a pvp server no one was present (friend or foe) at 7 am sunday morning.

[Kruschpakx4]

I’ve posted here at Dual Box first to test my claim of “most powerful”, before I hit the wow forums and my site.

please link the wow forum thread then

[Tonuss]

Well obviously I have killed Galleon with the poor hit gear, no need to have a separate set. I was responding to some statements that my dps per character is poor. Even though I am on a pvp server no one was present (friend or foe) at 7 am sunday morning.
Yeah, but you are always trying to progress, and killing him faster means you are getting better (either better gear or tactics or both). It seems that if you have a circumstance like that (no enemy players around) you can swap to a better gear set and kill him faster and raise the bar of performance before anyone else even challenges the old record.

[Shania]

That is gold, grats!

What I want to know is, me being a crazy mount collector and doing the world bosses on many toons per week and no joy even still.. have you got my damn Galleon mount yet and if so, how many times on all those toons lol

Love these kind of crazy boxers, i only box 5 but have like 8 accounts. Jeli but happy for you as well ! Just amazing

[Sam DeathWalker]

Just have the mount one time (its a really really nice mount) on my main. And that's with 28 rolls every week since he came out .... Happy I got him on my main. Got the Huolon mount a few times.

[Multibocks]

I have done all 4 world bosses only missing a few weeks since they came out. I have one mount to show for it with 10+ chances per week. I really want the Sha mount but its stupid rare.

[Refugeelcci]

Preety sweet, keep the vids coming. Not enough current boxing vids. Appreciate the contribution to the community

[Acidburning]

I watched a little of the first video.
I noticed, Posh dies, 0.38 honor

??

what's that about, fractions of honor? Never seen that before.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Not really sure how that works but I think its because I am in a raid, they not going to give me 28X 1 honor point for killing one guy. Posh might think he is worth more but Blizz doesn't seem to think so lol ... even 28 times 1/3 of a point is still a good deal for me.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

not really sure how that works but i think its because i am in a raid, they not going to give me 28x 1 honor point for killing one guy. Posh might think he is worth more but blizz doesn't seem to think so lol ... Even 28 times 1/3 of a point is still a good deal for me.

lmao

[Homer]

"I would think that this makes me the most powerful WoW player ever"

Care to explain how and define that in a reply.

At the absolute most you earn the title of "Fastest Multibox Raid Boss Kill in Mists of Pandaria".

Also you can't make the call of what counts and does not count or if you are powerful in any way shape or form. You have formed a hypothesis, It is not even a working hypothesis unless we the community accept it as one. Calling it a hypothesis is being extremely nice because it infers they claim has any merit to begin with.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well, in 5.4 I have killed, by myself while controlling 28 accounts at the same time a world boss mob: Galleon.

A player who kills a given mob faster is more powerful than a player who kills that mob slower, like a level 90 is more powerful than a level 80 because he can kill a level 85 mob faster than the level 80.

Not only have I killed a mob faster than anyone in 5.4, I am currently the only known person to have killed it by myself. This mob is available to all and a good example. Thus I am the most powerful.

Anyone who is of the opinion they are more powerful than I am is welcome to kill a spicific mob or do some pvp feat (although that would be hard to reproduce) and we can see if I can do it faster or not.

As to tactics why people feel that mages should not aoe when faced with multiple targets is beyond me but no matter if in fact I am inefficient then that should allow others to defeat the mob in the same time with fewer accounts or faster with the same or more accounts and when they do you can talk about inefficiency.

[zenga]

Well, in 5.4 I have killed, by myself while controlling 28 accounts at the same time a world boss mob: Galleon.

A player who kills a given mob faster is more powerful than a player who kills that mob slower, like a level 90 is more powerful than a level 80 because he can kill a level 85 mob faster than the level 80.

Not only have I killed a mob faster than anyone in 5.4, I am currently the only known person to have killed it by myself. This mob is available to all and a good example. Thus I am the most powerful.

Anyone who is of the opinion they are more powerful than I am is welcome to kill a spicific mob or do some pvp feat (although that would be hard to reproduce) and we can see if I can do it faster or not.

As to tactics why people feel that mages should not aoe when faced with multiple targets is beyond me but no matter if in fact I am inefficient then that should allow others to defeat the mob in the same time with fewer accounts or faster with the same or more accounts and when they do you can talk about inefficiency.

FYI, a dude killed nalak while 5-boxing (video is up on this forum). Guess that dethroned your self-proclaimed throne?

[Sam DeathWalker]

I agree that taking down Nalak with 5 is a greater accomplishment then Galleon with 28 (although I would be interested to see how he does against galleon).

I also agree that it takes more skill to do what he did.

Still I find it very hard to concede that he is more powerful overall, even though Nalak must be considered a stronger mob then Galleon, given he is a 5 boxer and I am a 28 boxer.

Sure my ilevel is like 500ish and his is 540ish but still 28 v. 5? I slaughter 5 simultaneous opponents in pvp every day, regardless of their ilevel. A group of 5 is nothing to me.

I would like him to post a world of logs of his accomplishment also for study, as I do with my accomplishments.

I am still going to claim most powerful based upon numbers but concede that he is more skillful and that his accomplishment is greater than mine.

I’ll work on beating his time on Nalak which really should not be hard for mages. It’s odd that void walkers can tank Nalak, I can’t see void walkers tanking Galleon and his adds at all. Clearly there is something easy about Nalak that escapes me which is why I would like a world of logs to study.

[Tsumi]

I agree that taking down Nalak with 5 is a greater accomplishment then Galleon with 28 (although I would be interested to see how he does against galleon).

I also agree that it takes more skill to do what he did.

Still I find it very hard to concede that he is more powerful overall, even though Nalak must be considered a stronger mob then Galleon, given he is a 5 boxer and I am a 28 boxer.

Sure my ilevel is like 500ish and his is 540ish but still 28 v. 5? I slaughter 5 simultaneous opponents in pvp every day, regardless of their ilevel. A group of 5 is nothing to me.

I would like him to post a world of logs of his accomplishment also for study, as I do with my accomplishments.

I am still going to claim most powerful based upon numbers but concede that he is more skillful and that his accomplishment is greater than mine.

I’ll work on beating his time on Nalak which really should not be hard for mages. It’s odd that void walkers can tank Nalak, I can’t see void walkers tanking Galleon and his adds at all. Clearly there is something easy about Nalak that escapes me which is why I would like a world of logs to study.

isn't Prepared running 52 characters? By your logic you can't claim, "most powerful" either if that is the case.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Prepared runs 40, 28v5 is over 5 times as many, prepared has about 1.5 as many as I do, big difference between 5X (me vs. warlock) vs. 1.5X (me vs. prepared). [...] Also prepared has not downed anything in 5.4, besides Swifty and his cronies, and although Swifty et. al. might consider it a great feat, Swifty is not Galleon or Nalak.

Mod edit - What's good for the goose is good for the gander. No personal attacks allowed here.

[Kruschpakx4]

No doubt that you or prepared are the most powerful players in wow and if someone comes over with 80 accounts but worse dps rotation than yours then he would probably still be able to kill anything faster, so at the end the more money you spend on multiboxing the more powerful you are where skill doesnt really matter as you just add on more character if someone is more powerful than you are, so the guy who has the most money wins at the end ;)

but for sure it makes you the most powerful boxer in the 1-28 character bracket

[Khatovar]

MiRai was nice enough to clean up and post a warning on this thread the first time it went downhill. Sam is not the only one who didn't take the hint. So I'll spell it out another way -


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If Sam wants to think he's Master of the Universe in a video game, what skin is it off your nose? Roll your eyes, ignore it and let it die in the mysterious depths of Page 2 Obscurity so I don't have to keep coming back here and wondering what I have to clean up now. You're not going to humble Sam, you're not going to find an irrefutable argument, you're not going to bait him in to doing something to get himself banned.

Go do something really awesome and bring it back here so we can have a 20 page thread on how awesome that was, and where I don't have to wince every time I see a new post in it. Ok? Ok.

Have some cookies.


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[zenga]

I agree that taking down Nalak with 5 is a greater accomplishment then Galleon with 28 (although I would be interested to see how he does against galleon).

And that is the whole point: it's pointless to compare accomplishments and make most/best/greatest claims based on that. Because the context is totally different every time. The boss mechanics are different, the ilvl is different, the group comp is different. Say tomorrow someone starts to box 28 affliction lock, and another one 28 ele shamans. Are you gonna split up the 'title' then into 'most powerful aoe boxer', 'most poweful dot boxer' and 'most poweful single target boxer'?

This community has always been very encouraging to post and share videos of accomplishments, from the smallest to the most impressive ones. But to my humble opinion, the 'my achievement is bigger than yours because I run more toons' ones made people post less videos (also has to do of course with just less people playing the game).

Noticing the difference between the nalak thread and this one? The nalak dude just posted a vid: 'hey guys i like to share my latest kill'. Your thread could've been easily the same, but it's full of provocations and contradictions. Really there is no point whatsoever to claim to be the best or most powerful.

[Kicksome]

I enjoyed watching the video, and I feel like it would be so much better if you could do a voice over to explain what's going on or just spout off comments on the team or fight, or simply rant. Like "Hi it's Sam DeathWalker here, and this is a world first etc...".

[Sam DeathWalker]

I enjoyed watching the video, and I feel like it would be so much better if you could do a voice over to explain what's going on or just spout off comments on the team or fight, or simply rant. Like "Hi it's Sam DeathWalker here, and this is a world first etc...". I didn't want to put in music cause of copyright stuff but ya you are right I notice when I watch videos of others there is so much going on that its easy to get lost, even moreso when others are using UI that has addons yours does not have. Plus I reduce mine from 7.5 fps (fraps minimum) to 5 fps so things go faster then normal (to save bandwidth), making it even more confusing. Let me see if I can set up something for voice over as I think you are right.

[MiRai]

Say tomorrow someone starts to box 28 affliction lock, and another one 28 ele shamans. Are you gonna split up the 'title' then into 'most powerful aoe boxer', 'most poweful dot boxer' and 'most poweful single target boxer'?
Right here is where I lost it...




Plus I reduce mine from 7.5 fps (fraps minimum) to 5 fps so things go faster then normal (to save bandwidth), making it even more confusing.
I read this and I didn't believe it, so I actually bothered to watch a few seconds of the video. Sure enough, Sam Deathwalker records his videos at < 10 FPS because stop motion video is making a come back. Sam, you are knockin' down the achievements and 'world firsts' in this thread left and right.

Keep on keepin' on, Sammy. You never cease to amaze. :cool:

[zenga]

I read this and I didn't believe it, so I actually bothered to watch a few seconds of the video. Sure enough, Sam Deathwalker records his videos at < 10 FPS because stop motion video is making a come back. Sam, you are knockin' down the achievements and 'world firsts' in this thread left and right.

Keep on keepin' on, Sammy. You never cease to amaze. :cool:

I'm speechless.

[ebony]

I read this and I didn't believe it, so I actually bothered to watch a few seconds of the video. Sure enough, Sam Deathwalker records his videos at < 10 FPS because stop motion video is making a come back. Sam, you are knockin' down the achievements and 'world firsts' in this thread left and right.

Keep on keepin' on, Sammy. You never cease to amaze. :cool:


wow

[Sam DeathWalker]

They are 1920 X 1200, which I bring down to 1920 X 1080. At 15fps each 9 minutes would be over 3.2G (and a 30fps file would be over 6G!), given that the file is 1.08G (after compression) now. Is it reasonable to expect people to download a 3G video for wow? Dosnt bother me to record at higher fps; I am thinking about the watcher.

[ebony]

They are 1920 X 1200, which I bring down to 1920 X 1080. At 15fps each 9 minutes would be over 3.2G (and a 30fps file would be over 6G!), given that the file is 1.08G (after compression) now. Is it reasonable to expect people to download a 3G video for wow? Dosnt bother me to record at higher fps; I am thinking about the watcher.

does youtube not lower it for phones or am i being silly now....

[Mokoi]

Youtube videos are all the same size regardless of how you encode them on your computer. You could record 4k 32 bit RED EPIC RAW footage and record 1TB for every minute of footage, fortunately, YouTube still converts that to their resolutions, and compresses them highly to fit into their bandwidth requirements.

YouTube is fixing your video for you, so you don't have to record at 1986 frame rates, Sam. Go ahead, record at 30 FPS, or go all Hobbit at 48 FPS if it suits you. YouTube and Vimeo will still fix it for you and play at 30 FPS on their player for you.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Compression is not magic. I use HandBreak with H.264 and an mp4 container. If, after you compress, you wish to reduce the file size you have to reduce resolution, which I don't wish to do, or framerate which seems to me to lose very little. If youtube recompresses an already compressed H.264 file then its not going to look so hots. Still it matters not to me, if you want to take 3X the time and disk space to load the video so you can watch at 15fps instead of 5fps that's fine, Ill upload at 15fps from now on.

[Mokoi]

Compression is not magic. I use HandBreak with H.264 and an mp4 container. If, after you compress, you wish to reduce the file size you have to reduce resolution, which I don't wish to do, or framerate which seems to me to lose very little. If youtube recompresses an already compressed H.264 file then its not going to look so hots. Still it matters not to me, if you want to take 3X the time and disk space to load the video so you can watch at 15fps instead of 5fps that's fine, Ill upload at 15fps from now on.

No, I think you missed my point. What goes to YouTube from your computer doesnt matter. They have limits on how large and how long in time your movie can be, but you can upload the same video with H264 and one uncompressed, which would result in vastly different filesizes, but as long as the files are within the size requirements YouTube allows you to upload (you cant hit these with a 10 minute video without really trying) it will compress the video for you again, and it wont matter to the end user. The quality might change slightly because of recompression, but the point is, what you record at is not a problem. Record lossless if you like at 30 FPS and it will take YOU a lot longer to upload, but wont affect our download or viewing speeds.

[Tonuss]

Let me see if I can set up something for voice over as I think you are right.
Some players will simply add captions afterwards, explaining what is going on. Might be faster and more convenient than a voice-over.

[Saqor]

No, I think you missed my point. What goes to YouTube from your computer doesnt matter. They have limits on how large and how long in time your movie can be, but you can upload the same video with H264 and one uncompressed, which would result in vastly different filesizes, but as long as the files are within the size requirements YouTube allows you to upload (you cant hit these with a 10 minute video without really trying) it will compress the video for you again, and it wont matter to the end user. The quality might change slightly because of recompression, but the point is, what you record at is not a problem. Record lossless if you like at 30 FPS and it will take YOU a lot longer to upload, but wont affect our download or viewing speeds.

This is correct, YouTube handles the video, and regardless of the framerate, container settings etc of the uploaded video, to the viewer the result will be the same: it's now a YouTube video.

Generally speaking, always upload the best possible quality that you want to bother with as an uploader, as the better the source material, the more options your viewer will have when playing the YouTube video. That's why some videos won't allow you to select HD resolutions, if they were originally uploaded in a lower resolution.

[zenga]

Somehow the youtube logic from above reminded me of this chat log:

docsigma2000: jesus christ man
docsigma2000: my son is sooooooo dead
c8info: Why?
docsigma2000: hes been looking at internet web sites in fucking EUROPE
docsigma2000: HE IS SURFING LONG DISTANCE
docsigma2000: our fucking phone bill is gonna be nuts
c8info: Ooh, this is bad. Surfing long distance adds an extra $69.99 to your bill per hour.
docsigma2000: ...!!!!!! FUCK FUCK FUCK
docsigma2000: is there some plan we can sign up for???
docsigma2000: cuz theres some cool stuff in europe, but i dun wanna pauy that much
c8info: Sorry, no. There is no plan. you'll have to live with it.
docsigma2000: o well, i ccan live without europe intenet sites.
docsigma2000: but till i figure out how to block it hes sooooo dead
c8info: By the way, I'm from Europe, your chatting long distance.
** docsigma2000 has quit (Connection reset by peer)

from the famous bash.org website (http://bash.org/?142934)

[Asterix]

*lol*
excellent.

at least replying to your posting is only a european-connection therefore it is cheaper
than creating a new thread in this forum or replying to Sams initial posting :D :D

[Saqor]

You mean Sam is from the US? Damn, and I almost clicked his video! Long-distance YouTube is sooo expensive! *facedesk* :D

[Asterix]

glad you haven't clicked it :D

try to connect a smaller monitor to your pc therefore the video won't be so big
or try to download it instead of streaming because download traffic is cheaper
than streaming traffic. e-mail traffic would be way cheaper but I think it is
too large to get it mailed

*lol*

:D

[zenga]

Back in the early days of the internet we would publish out videos with post pigeons. But my neighbours weren't too happy with it when I would watch porn, cause they had to clean their car when I was done. Not because of me but cause of all the pigeons flying over.

[ebony]

somehow the youtube logic from above reminded me of this chat log:

docsigma2000: Jesus christ man
docsigma2000: My son is sooooooo dead
c8info: Why?
Docsigma2000: Hes been looking at internet web sites in fucking europe
docsigma2000: He is surfing long distance
docsigma2000: Our fucking phone bill is gonna be nuts
c8info: Ooh, this is bad. Surfing long distance adds an extra $69.99 to your bill per hour.
Docsigma2000: ...!!!!!! Fuck fuck fuck
docsigma2000: Is there some plan we can sign up for???
Docsigma2000: Cuz theres some cool stuff in europe, but i dun wanna pauy that much
c8info: Sorry, no. There is no plan. You'll have to live with it.
Docsigma2000: O well, i ccan live without europe intenet sites.
Docsigma2000: But till i figure out how to block it hes sooooo dead
c8info: By the way, i'm from europe, your chatting long distance.
** docsigma2000 has quit (connection reset by peer)

from the famous bash.org website (http://bash.org/?142934)



this is win!!!!!

[Sam DeathWalker]

NALAK DOWN!

5 min 37 sec

No Deaths

Ill post the video later tonight after I do the voice over. All I can do is 10fps cause I don’t have enough ram to go past 10G (I have the wow folder in Ram also).

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/8k2vpedihw07kbpu/

[MiRai]

NALAK DOWN!

5 min 37 sec

No Deaths
I hate to say it Sam, but for the sake of argument against your self-proclaimed "most powerful" title, that's slower than the 5 Warlocks. From pull (~00:23) to death (~10:17) Xeneres took down Nalak in about 10 minutes... and there were only five of them. I don't believe the video was sped up at any point, but someone else can correct me on that because I'm not going to watch it all the way through again.

So, about 1/6th of the team size (5 VS 28) at about twice the amount of time. I'll leave any other math up to other people, but I think you need to work on that 80+ step DPS rotation.



Ill post the video later tonight after I do the voice over. All I can do is 10fps cause I don’t have enough ram to go past 10G (I have the wow folder in Ram also).
Sam, your knowledge of recording video is mind boggling. At 10FPS you could probably record to an old 5400 RPM drive which contained both your OS and WoW folder and still be okay.

[Mokoi]

no no no, Mirai, he is STILL most powerful by his own definition. Jim Jong Il is the most powerful in all the world! (as long as he gets to define power, and then rig it to his benefit) (( even in Death )) ((( WAIT! DEATH WALKER! IT IS KIM JONG IL! )))

Sam, PLEASE don't do a voiceover. Nobody needs be subjected to your unadulterated thoughts, I'm just excited to see the arcane explosions I know are coming! I will eat a puppy if there's no arcane explosions in this fight haha.

[MiRai]

I will eat a puppy if there's no arcane explosions in this fight haha.
Agreed. If there are no Arcane Explosions then I will be incredibly disappointed. ;)

[Sam DeathWalker]

His ilevel is 540ish mine is 510ish. Obviously if you have fewer toons you are able to spend more time on each and have a higher ilevel.

I killed the mob in about 1/2 the time. You can see all the spells used from the world of logs information. Mostly pyroblast (45%) as there are not multiple mobs in this fight. I could go to a hard drive but it’s more efficient to go to ram.

Some request voice over and some don't want it, it’s less work for me to not include it. 10fps is more than enough, its twice what the other one was at, if there is some information that you are missing because of the 10fps just ask.

Here is the link to the damage:

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/8k2vpedihw07kbpu/details/1/

[heyaz]

Sam DeathWalker 5.4 28 Box SOLO of Galleon

I would think that this makes me the most powerful WoW player ever.


- Oondasta was 25 boxed 3 weeks ago
- Nalak was 25 boxed 3 weeks ago
- Nalak was 5 boxed all DPS, no healers, this week.
- Immerseus was 15+10 boxed a month ago with virtually no strategy.
- An 80 man Chi-Ji raid was wiped by a 15 boxer yesterday. Inside the court.

... can you ever just post something without first stating, before you have any idea of what others are doing or have done, that you are the most powerful, best, most amazing, whatever?

[Sam DeathWalker]

This fight is straight forward as long as you can stay at 40 yards out of arc nova range. I was able to position the mob about 40 yards from my dps and healing for the whole fight (I think I got hit by arc nova once).

I put my 2nd tank (DK) on the far side so that if the main tank (Pal) lost agro the mob would move away from the dps/healers. And I redid my 90 step macro to be most all 40 yard spells (pyroblast, mage bomb and smite /with glyph/) so the dps/healers could stay out of arc nova.

The rest was about positioning.

This fight in many ways is easier then Galleon, as long as it can be done at range; as there are no adds and this mobs melee is less


Enjoy: http://youtu.be/LgdqWHXU40k

[Sam DeathWalker]

- Oondasta was 25 boxed 3 weeks ago
- Nalak was 25 boxed 3 weeks ago
- Nalak was 5 boxed all DPS, no healers, this week.
- Immerseus was 15+10 boxed a month ago with virtually no strategy.
- An 80 man Chi-Ji raid was wiped by a 15 boxer yesterday. Inside the court.

... can you ever just post something without first stating, before you have any idea of what others are doing or have done, that you are the most powerful, best, most amazing, whatever?

Anything prior to 5.4 means nothing.

If Nalak was not done faster then 5m37s then I am still better.

Provide link to the Oondasta please, that’s sounds like something.

Wiping people while they are engaging a mob is kinda hard to duplicate, the only one that might beat me is the Oondasta if its 5.4.

[heyaz]

Anything prior to 5.4 means nothing.

All of this was post 5.4. It came out what, 5-6 weeks ago?

Nalak was killed in 9 minutes by 5.

[heyaz]

Wiping people while they are engaging a mob is kinda hard to duplicate, the only one that might beat me is the Oondasta if its 5.4.

Agree, but the accomplishment is if you actually reset the boss kill. You could run into Oondasta, Nalak, anything and kill a lot of people then die and the fight would keep going. It was almost never possible on Nalak, but on Oondasta you could reset the fight. First celestials reset (at about 10%) I saw yesterday.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Provide links and Ill watch them, I can't find the Oon with a google search. Yes we know Nalak was killed in 9 minutes by 5, and I killed him in 5 minutes. So far I am the fastest Nalak kill by one person ever. Just provide links where there is one person killing the mob, others don't count. Rewatching the video I hammered Nalak there was nothing close about that fight, he could have had 10X the HP and still lost. If someone else has done something of note I will try and do it also, from the Nalak video I have lots of spare power.

[luxlunae]

- Oondasta was 25 boxed 3 weeks ago
- Nalak was 25 boxed 3 weeks ago
- Nalak was 5 boxed all DPS, no healers, this week.
- Immerseus was 15+10 boxed a month ago with virtually no strategy.
- An 80 man Chi-Ji raid was wiped by a 15 boxer yesterday. Inside the court.

... can you ever just post something without first stating, before you have any idea of what others are doing or have done, that you are the most powerful, best, most amazing, whatever?

Agreed. This is getting really annoying. In order to be the bestest most amazingest you really have to do something which other players of the game find impressive or at least interesting. Zerging world bosses that have been out for six months just isn't it. Even if you do it twice as fast as a person with 1/6th your number of toons.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I am up for the next challenge what do you suggest? Seems that the bar just gets higher and higher with no end in sight. To be the "best" the question is not "what is impressive" its "who has actually done the most". Clearly no one has done both Nalak and Galleon, and we have no link to this Oondasta kill by anyone, and its 7 hours later already. The last two in his list don't count and we know of the 3rd in his list. The first two we have no links. 25 box? By who? There is prepared, me, and there is a 25 boxer but last I looked his ilevels were not high enough, but I could be wrong. But there are not a lot of 25 boxers around. Zerging (how someone who can control two tanks, 6 healers /two classes/ and 20 dps /two classes/ is a no skill zerger now is beyond me) a world boss by one person is very very difficult judging by the number of people who have actually done it with a video in 5.4 (so far me and a warlock 5 boxer). Ill look up the 25 boxer and see if its him Hayaz is posting about. Here is the 25 boxer: http://sig.lanjelin.com/user/themipband two of his guys are 470 ilevel and I assume the rest are also, he is not taking down Oon with that crew. He does have an interesting mix of classes (dk, shaman, druid) which seem to have a TON of possible healing lol it will be good to see how it plays out when he gets higher ilevel.

[Mokoi]

Is this just about you wanting us to congratulate you on killing something in an unimpressive and boring fashion? Do you really consider your requirements for "worlds most powerful wow player" valid and interesting? I find it self-serving and disrespectful to those in our community who have and are accomplishing worthy goals which have taken skill and ingenuity, instead of throwing money at the game until you have the most characters under your control so you can power your way through content the rest of the community and normal wow players have been killing for months with far less "power" than you potentially wield.

Sam, the reason nobody is climbing the walls to beat "your" record is that nobody considers it worthy of a record in the first place. I consider what the 5 boxing warlock did with Nalak far more impressive, powerful and worthy of praise. Don't you feel a bit ashamed that he did it with 1/6 the toons as you, and managed to do 2-4x the DPS of your best toons? Would you bow down to a 100 boxing player who completes the same thing you did in a slightly shorter time? Even if that player had terrible macros, mechanics and just threw money at the game until he beat it? Would you consider that an accomplishment of any caliber?

We have already told you what WE wont consider impressive and worthy of a title. Complete current raid content in a similar or faster time than an average PuG in LFR. When we did this, your response was "Oh, I don't need to do that, nobody else here is"

Correct, THATS what makes it impressive.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and if you feel that it’s better to have fewer stronger characters (the warlocks are higher ilevel) rather than more but weaker characters that's great. If I put the time into 5 that I did into 28 my 5 would be higher ilevel then his 5.

At some point Nalak will be down to a single very high ilevel character, but not in 5.4, what will your argument be at that point?


Would you bow down to a 100 boxing player who completes the same thing you did in a slightly shorter time?

I would give the title of most powerful to anyone who does it faster than I did with any number of characters under their control at the same time.


Complete current raid content in a similar or faster time than an average PuG in LFR

You can name some impossible task that no one can do and set that as the standard if you wish, and that would be impressive to be sure yet because no one else has done it who can claim they are the best. If I am not the best then who is? If it’s so easy then do what I did. This argument that I am throwing money at the game might be valid if you get a free level 90 with 520 ilevel when you pay for an account but that’s not the case. I leveled up and geared up my guys within the rules and that is no small feat.

There are two types of skill, one skill is what you do when you face the mob and the other is what you did before you faced the mob. The guy with more characters did more work and showed more skill prior to the engagement, the guy with the fewer characters (assuming same ilevel) shows more skill during the engagement.

My skill is in leveling up 28 characters to 510ish ilevel. Thus I need less skill during the encounter, even though I have the most complex macros of anyone, and am able to change them from an aoe encounter (Galleon) to a single target encounter (Nalak) within a day or two. You can claim that my macros are not the best but I show my logs, and no one else does. If you think a 3 step macro is superior to a 90 step macro then keep on believing that. And let’s not forget it’s 6 times harder to write macros for six classes then it is for one class. Also if your macros are small because you are writing fall through castsequence macros to get around something that was taken out of the game that’s kind of questionable, I am sure some would argue.

Of course my defeat of Nalak looks like it took no skill during the encounter due to the fact it didn’t, because of my extremely high skill preparation prior to the encounter. Choosing only 40 yard spells to keep me out of arc nova range, choosing the right classes years ago instead of going with the “shaman are best for boxers”, and leveling up all my guys to level 28 and 510 ilevel, gearing and gemming and chanting them all and making the gold ligit to do it with.

Does it take more skill to level up 5 characters to ilevel 540 or 28 characters to ilevel 510?

I started wow in 2008 and it was not until 5.4 did I claim to be the best, that’s a very long time.


“skill and ingenuity”. You do realize that every time you press a single key that sends a command to two accounts at the same time from that single key press, in an mmo, you are relying upon MY ingenuity given that I am the person who invented the concept in the first place ……

Due to the fact it’s been a long time now with no links I can only assume that the first two of Hayaz list do not actually exist. Thus we are down to me and the 5X warlock. If you think that a guy who does something in 9 minutes is more powerful than someone who does that same in 5.6 minutes then that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Also he has not done galleon.

[Andreauk]

I don't get all this hate. For some of us managing something we couldn't do before is an accomplishment to ourselves. I thought we were all here because we had something in common? I managed to solo yogg Saron alone in the darkness on my frost dk in Blood presence, but to you that's prob crap because it's already been done.. but to me it was huge.

I think Sam is very theatrical - it's a little bit of an act.. I think he's quite entertaining and he means no harm at the end of it.

I only use Keyclone, and I do think that some of the software goes way too far.. being able to program multiple macros from within the program that press 5 buttons at once, aoe in 1 click for all windows, a workaround within the program to use mounts in battlegrounds where Blizz have clearly said they don't want follow enabled? I'd like to see some of the top pvpers who claim they multibox do it without a complex program.. oh and without a pocket healer of course!

Who are you to say that he isn't very impressive? I was happy that I managed to multibox heroics in crap gear using only Keyclone.. but now people are probably put off from posting (especially newcomers) because of the amount of epeen flying around here.

My point is though that each to their own.. Sam is clearly winding you up with a bit of banter and you bite like a good-un!

[Fat Tire]

http://static3.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Not+sure+if+troll+or+just+retarded+_56e9c5e6325a05 dd72cd14dd68900015.png

[Tonuss]

I am up for the next challenge what do you suggest? Seems that the bar just gets higher and higher with no end in sight.
But that is how it always is with persistent-world games. More challenges are added, more power is given to characters, and the bar keeps being raised. It's the same for raid guilds who compete for world firsts.

I think what is missing is a place where people can agree on what makes a person "most powerful" and keep track of people who try to meet that standard. That is dependent on interest, of course, but it could also be good publicity for multiboxing in general. Having one person define "most powerful" and post his accomplishments should really only be the first step.

As for doing "the impossible" do not underestimate what you can accomplish as a multiboxer. Didn't Vyndree and her boyfriend finish Karazhan at level 70 by each boxing half the raid? And I recall that there was a multiboxer who did at least a few of the Ice Crown Citadel bosses by ten-boxing his own group, when WotLK was the current expansion. Lots of things seem impossible until someone does them. Heck, isn't this topic showing that a boss that seemed impossible at one point (especially on a PVP server) can be defeated? Getting to the title of "most powerful" should be less fun than trying to keep it, I would think.

[MiRai]

At first, I had a different reply, but then I thought this would be more fun.

You're backing yourself into a corner with your own arrogance, a disrespect for the common multiboxer, and a delusional mindset that you're the best there ever was. You disregard any attempt to reason with you, so you leave me no choice...

Sam Deathwalker of The Deathwalker Imperium, formerly of The Deathwalker Empire, I, MiRai, of Multiboxology, as a moderator of the dual-boxing forum, and as a fellow multiboxer, publicly denounce you and challenge your self-proclaimed title of "most powerful multiboxer."

My proposal is as follows:

You must successfully progress through instanced raid content with a team comprised entirely of characters controlled by you -- This includes, but is not limited to, 25-man LFR or any number of your choosing in Flex-Raid.

Any combination of the following raid instances will be accepted:

Mogu'shan Vaults (hereafter referred to as MSV)
Terrace of Endless Spring (hereafter referred to as ToES)
Heart of Fear (hereafter referred to as HoF)
Throne of Thunder (hereafter referred to as ToT)
Siege of Orgrimmar (hereafter referred to as SoO)

The amount of progression will be left up to you, but in the end, you will be judged by your fellow peers -- The members of this forum. I am leaving the amount of progression up to you because I think it would be unreasonable to believe any multboxer would be able to fully clear any tier of raid content at this stage in the game.

If you accept and succeed, then you will be given the forum title of Most Powerful Multiboxer which you will wear below your name at all times. This title shall stand until one, or more, of the following occur:

A) You are dethroned by another multiboxer who will have been judged by the same members of this forum and will have been found to have achieved an accomplishment of higher caliber.

B) The next expansion is released which would then deem your accomplishments "old news."

C) You are banned and removed from this forum.


If you accept and fail, then you will receive the following for the remainder of the Mists of Pandaria expansion:


A) Your forum title will be changed to Terrible Multiboxer which you will bear until you can redeem yourself with a worthy accomplishment.

B) Your signature on this forum that appears below each of your posts will tell the story of a man who believed he had achieved greatness, but was then stripped of it all when his arrogance and conceit got the best of him.

C) Threads or posts that you create which are filled with an exuberant amount of ridiculous claims will immediately be locked or deleted without question.



You have until 9AM EDT on October 25th, 2013 (seven (7) days from now) to decide. If you choose to accept within these seven (7) days, you will be given thirty (30) more days, in addition to the remaining days, to present your instanced raid progression to the members of this forum. During those thirty (30) days you are allowed to continue forward with your normal unrestricted gameplay and any upgrades you receive in that time period can be equipped and used during any raid progression if you so desire.

If you choose not to accept my proposal, then you will continue to be ridiculed on this forum in one way or another, multiboxers of the free world will continue to find it difficult to take you seriously, and your self-proclaimed achievements will fade away as if they had never happened.


Do you think you have what it takes? This forum awaits your decision, Deathwalker.

[Acidburning]

awesome.

[CDNProdigy]

A) You are dethroned by another multiboxer who will have been judged by the same members of this forum and will have been found to have achieved an accomplishment of higher caliber.

What an interesting challenge! This is a great idea to get everyone trying to out do each other to really try and push the limits of multiboxing in raids! To be honest, these forums have been lacking that lately. We might need MiRai or someone to do a video on how to record one's multiboxing efforts just in case there are people who have no idea on how to create videos. (Pointing at himself)

[Sam DeathWalker]

I am up for any fair challenge but I don’t really see how you are able to compare a 5 boxer to a 25 boxer or even a 25 boxer to a 40 boxer. How do you compare a 5 boxer to a 10 boxer?

I’m like in the heavyweight boxing division and I claim I can beat anyone in any division, thus I am the most powerful, you are claiming to be like ‘pound for pound” the best due to superior skill at a lighter weight. Both claims can be true. Character for Character the Warlock did better than I did, yet there is no question I am more powerful overall.

For someone who boxes fewer than 25 in a 25 man raid the raid itself changes, I get no credit for the substantial skill I put in before the battle.

Just as a 5 boxer who is forced to do 1 man content will be beat by a 1 boxer because the 1 boxer didn’t have to level up 5 characters.

No reasonable person will say that the 5 boxer warlock team is more powerful than my 28 man team, if we were to meet in pvp I would slaughter him. Just like no reasonable person would say that a single character with higher ilevel then the warlocks is more powerful or better than the 5 warlocks because the one character was able to do something the 5 were not.

Wasn’t there some kind of guild vs. guild pvp? Did that get implemented? What is that training thing about is that viable?

If the 5 boxer or 10 boxer or 15 boxer has to enter a 25 man raid, with 25 then drop all the characters that he does not control so that the raid is the same I have to face then sure, I will compare against anyone that has to go against the exact same opponent or conditions that I have to.

Basically you want me to throw out 23 of my guys and run 5 of my weaker against your 5 stronger, or course you will win, just as if you have to go up against swifty one v one you will lose.

You don’t require someone like the warlocks to take off his ilevel 540 gear to compare with others in 490 ilevel gear to make it “fair”. And you don’t’ require a level 90 to delevel to level 85 before he can claim to be more powerful than the level 85.

When I was being camped by a 5 boxer 5 or so levels higher than me and he wiped me out I didn’t see anyone complain that it wasn’t “fair”, and I didn’t claim it was unfair either (it’s a pvp server) knowing that someday the tables would turn. Now that I destroy a 5 boxer suddenly I am “unreasonable” and “unfair”.

I would think the next target is Oon or the celestials, but if you can come up with something else that is fair I am up for it.

We picked a mob that all can attack (I picked Galleon but you guys came up with Nalak) and I say ok throw whatever you have against it and kill it, and of those who were able to do it the one who did it the fastest is the best, and somehow you say I am unreasonable?

Also Mirai you might want to look up some of the old posts in this forum and review the very first few posts by Lax. There were many who objected to Lax posting on this forum, yet one voice spoke up in his defense when others would not, and that one lone voice was me.

Also my support for IsBoxer is unwavering, I doubt I would be able to do what I do without Isboxer, and much credit for my great accomplishments should go to Lax and IsBoxer.

Anyway think about how to compare a 5 boxer to a 10 boxer and be fair to both, recognizing the 5 boxer will have higher ilevels but the 10 boxer has twice as many accounts. And you can’t force the 10 boxer to fight 5 man content, just like you can’t force the 5 boxer to fight 1 man content.

I am sure we all agree that some kind of ladder or competition to compare all would be fun and enjoyable.

Basically I am accepting your challenge but with the condition that I compare against others, not some unknown yardstick and they must be in a 25 man normal raid, as I will be in.

[Kicksome]

I'd like to see some of the top pvpers who claim they multibox do it without a complex program.. oh and without a pocket healer of course!


After playing and/or watching someone like Kruschpakx, Kenchen, Shodokan or anyone who had a gladiator title via multiboxing or close to it... They are better than 99% of the Arena players out there on one player with no addons or on 4 with advanced software - IMHO. It's nuts how good these guys are, even on 1 guy. i.e. They are already great arena players.

[Sam DeathWalker]

And one reason I am not afraid of the 40 boxer is that if he ever does get his gear ligit (assuming that he win traded to get it now) is that he doesn't use IsBoxer and I do. There is little doubt in my mind that Lax's software will give me a tremendous edge over him so much so that I don't need more accounts to beat him. And I have better classes.

[zenga]

My skill is in leveling up 28 characters to 510ish ilevel. Thus I need less skill during the encounter,

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I have the most complex macros of anyone
And the worst. Your logs are absolutely horrible, in every possible aspect. You do damage that players did in cataclysm. It doesn't matter at all if you play 1,5 or 300 times the same class, your keybind gets auto broadcasted and you auto spam abilities. If you have the hardware and infrastructure, then if 2 toons can do 100 dps, then adding 8 more with the same gear will do 100 dps as well, and not 30 dps.


You can claim that my macros are not the best but I show my logs, and no one else does.
So because you show logs and no one else bothers to do so, you automatically assume that your macro's are the best?


If you think a 3 step macro is superior to a 90 step macro then keep on believing that.
DPS specs have a priority order for optimal performance, developed and tested by the smartest fucks in WoW. Claiming other wise is like saying the moon doesn't exist.


And let’s not forget it’s 6 times harder to write macros for six classes then it is for one class.
It's not harder, it just takes more time.


because of my extremely high skill preparation prior to the encounter.
you might have put effort into it, but I wouldn't quantify that as skill, since the result is plain horrible (i.e. dps performance)


choosing the right classes years ago
that's an absolutely ridiculous statement. there are plenty of classes/specs who can perform on par if not better with your mages


Does it take more skill to level up 5 characters to ilevel 540 or 28 characters to ilevel 510?
time devoted does not equal skill in my book, to get 540 ilvl you have to do harder content than you have to do for ilvl 510


You do realize that every time you press a single key that sends a command to two accounts at the same time from that single key press, in an mmo, you are relying upon MY ingenuity given that I am the person who invented the concept in the first place ……
So you invented multiboxing? -_-


Due to the fact it’s been a long time now with no links I can only assume that the first two of Hayaz list do not actually exist.
So because people haven't recorded anything or recorded logs, you just assume they are talking out of their asses? Well not everyone feels the need to get confirmation from the community and need to see proof to be credible.



No reasonable person will say that the 5 boxer warlock team is more powerful than my 28 man team, if we were to meet in pvp I would slaughter him.

I consider myself to be a reasonable person. Yet I'm not too sure about that. Five warlocks played by a skilled player have the tools to obliterate any group that is stacked. Definitely when it's you, who to my humble opinion does not have a clue (and that's based on all your - again to my humble opinion - absolutely ridiculous claims and statements).



I am sure we all agree that some kind of ladder or competition to compare all would be fun and enjoyable.

I think that the first and foremost reason why Mirai made that sarcastic challenge, was to make you shut up.

[Kicksome]

I guess you have to ask yourself this. What's more impressive, 5 locks killing a world boss in 10 minutes, or 28 killing it in 5.

Sam DeathWalker isn't saying he's the most impressive though - well, I'm pretty sure he's said that at some point, but I digress.

They are actually both pretty impressive. I think it's a whole different level of amazing - what those 5 locks did though. They give hope to those of us who are unwilling or unable to box a larger group. He, gives hope to the common 5 boxer.

Sam DeathWalker on the other hand, is just taking a different approach with a larger group. I applaud him for posting videos, and keeping things interesting.

[Kicksome]

I do think a skilled 5 boxer could wipe out a 25-40 man boxer without question. I know I've been wiped by 1 guy on my 5 guys plenty of times. Just takes a wrong keypress, or bad timing, or technical issue and you're done for. I doubt it could happen every time, but if the boxer waited for the right time - every time, it could be ugly.

[Sam DeathWalker]

DPS specs have a priority order for optimal performance, developed and tested by the smartest fucks in WoW. Claiming otherwise is like saying the moon doesn't exist.

That is very true. I am coming to agree with you that my dps is lacking (50,000 dps), even though I had close to 100percent uptime on pyroblast and mage bomb. Still I got the job done, if I optimize for Nalak then I am less effective in pvp or for other encounters. But l will agree my dps is poor. But again because no one uploads to world of logs I have nothing to compare to as far as other boxers go, of course a single boxer is going to have more dps then I will (still they should not have 5 or 10 times more though).

Still if you are using fall through cast sequence macros that’s questionable.

Maybe I will do a macro to maximize dps on a target dummy just to show that longer step ones are superior.


there are plenty of classes/specs who can perform on par if not better with your mages

But I have a real tank, real healers and real dps, not 2nd best or 3rd best.


time devoted does not equal skill in my book, to get 540 ilevel you have to do harder content than you have to do for ilevel 510

So any high end raider is more skillful then you are?


So you invented multiboxing? -_-

Well people did have two computers and move from keyboard to keyboard to have two characters in the game under their control but I was the first to hook two computers to one keyboard so in a way ya I did invent multiboxing with one keyboard.

http://samdeathwalker.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=106&d=1293362813


So because people haven't recorded anything or recorded logs, you just assume they are talking out of their asses? Well not everyone feels the need to get confirmation from the community and need to see proof to be credible.

My apologies if I am skeptical of claims without any proof at all to back them up.

[Sam DeathWalker]

A timely topic: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10262756764 I am pulling 50K on my mages, not as bad as I thought. They are talking 100k in timeless, I'm doing about 1/2 and that's with moving HIT to CRIT so my gear is good for pve and pvp.

[EaTCarbS]

A timely topic: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10262756764 I am pulling 50K on my mages, not as bad as I thought. They are talking 100k in timeless, I'm doing about 1/2 and that's with moving HIT to CRIT so my gear is good for pve and pvp.


I was pulling 45k dps, in LFR, by spamming wrath on my ret pally in 515 gear... People in timeless gear should be pulling at least 75-80k dps.

Sounds about right.

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[zenga]

A timely topic: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/10262756764 I am pulling 50K on my mages, not as bad as I thought. They are talking 100k in timeless, I'm doing about 1/2 and that's with moving HIT to CRIT so my gear is good for pve and pvp.

On nalak, you were pulling 49k on 1 mage, and 35 to 43k on the majority of your dps. And that is damage that people were doing 2 years ago without any problem, 100 ilvls lower. It's absolutely crap and horrendous damage. Really, you can try to justify your damage with links to whatever post, but the reality is that if you execute a basic rotation, that you 'd pull way more, at least double, in ilvl 510.

There are multiple reasons, but the main reason is that I believe that you don't have a basic understanding of the classes that you play.

Your paladin tank for example is not using crusader strike (single target) nor hammer of the righteous (aoe). Not on your nalak log and not on your galleon log. While you use the glyph for it on your tank. Crusarder strike and HoftR are main abilities for survivability, since they generate 1 holy power every 4.5s (minus haste), which in turn keeps up shield of the righteous, which is 40% dmg mitigation. That is the reason why prot paladins stack haste, since that increases holy power generation, and thus the uptime of shield of the righteous. You have basically no haste and you don't use a basic ability.

Your mages use nether tempest, while the highest dmg is currently living bomb. The % that individual abilities do compared to your total damage are totally out of line of what they are supposed to be. And you still use arcane explosion on a single target boss like nalak.

And I can go on and on and on ...

So yeah, you might do 'epic preparation', but my guess is that you prepared (see the d) based on wotlk guides.

[MiRai]

Does anyone else smell that? This thread is well beyond its expiration date.

I would say there is enough evidence on the table at the present time to show that Sam is not the most powerful multiboxer as he claims to be. While it's nice that he's finally trying to actually do something with his 28-man team this expansion, it could really be shared without all the arrogance and inaccurate self-praise.

Sorry Sam, maybe next expansion!

PS - I'm withdrawing my proposal - NO DEAL!