Would like a BIT of advice

[Refugeelcci]

First off, let me say that this forum is pretty freaking AWESOME! I have been reading through some threads and I am very interested in the content i've read thus far!

A little Background, I have never multi-boxed. I haven't played wow since ICC/ptr in cata. I have recently become interested in playing again due to a few friends and I had came across some youtube chans of some amazing players! For a new feel, I def want to main a monk. Not because it's the "cool" thing to do. But because it is the only class I haven't played that i'm interested in.

I haven't purchased my wow yet, tbh. I need a completely new PC to even play it on. The one I am currently using is aged and breaking down on me. That is besides the point. I am working towards building a new pc here very soon! Now, I came across a multi Boxer on youtube while I was searching for ways to make gold in MOP once I return. The player claimed 300k per day.. I thought to myself. "I have always been a broke wow player, do to casualness" I will even admit to buying gold because I haven't had the time or energy to farm it.. working 12+ hours 5-7 days per week on average.

I thought to myself, even a fraction of that gold he makes per day would be a good investment for me if i were to multi-box. Due to my work schedule I doubt that I will get the opportunity to do any raids. I wanted to focus mainly on pvp, WW monk looks fun =). Thought to myself If i were to pve, would probably do heroics and weekly's like how they did the single pvp bosses in VOA. Do a brewmaster because i played a very successful tank in vanilla wow and a successful tank in RIFT.

After reading through this forum, I realized there was so much MORE to multi-boxing. I read about the changes to multi-boxing in PVP and it had kind of turned me off...for a second. I then realized how much fun it would be to do my own heroics and gear up my main account though for future proofing. I understand that I won't have much time to play with my schedule but with RAF, some multi-boxing software and a little bit of time I should be able to make out alright. ESP considering I can grant levels to my main account every time I level a team to 80. Looks like I can get 2 80's of my choice on main account via 1 5 box to 80.

My goal would be to create a team around my WW to obtain level 80. I'm not sure of Brew master tanking for multi-box but it seems like they have a lot of mechanics. I'm reading a lot here of a healer being the master and the rest of the team being the slaves. I was thinking about doing a priest maybe for my team, due to being able to switch to shadow or a resto sham for the same reason. Tho, I'm sure it really doesn't matter which healing class I choose to off spec to DPS.

Once I obtain level 80 with my monk, I want to grant levels to a new tank. One that may be less mechanically inclined and easier to use. I would like to farm heroics and allow every char on my main account the opportunity to get some PVE gear just so I can pug on my days off for raids. I'm not sure of my long term goals with multi-boxing. My short term goals would be just to gear up my main account and farm some gold until I need to farm some gold again and then reactivate accounts. So far, that's my plan. Though playing the 5 box may become an addiction and take priority. I'm just not sure at this point.

What I would like is for some fun comps that I can run with my monk for leveling and eventually end game. More or less what comps seem to work the best for not only farming gold from instanced but can also clear heroic dungeons with NP. I like variety as plans do change and you never know what might happen. Just want to make sure my time is used wisely..

Some classes i've played in the past are

Warrior- Arms/Fury/Tank
Paladin- Ret/Tank
Hunter- MM/SV/BM
Priest- Disc/Holy/Shadow
Rogue- Assass/Sub/Combat
Warlock- Destro/Afflic


Any of those classes could very easily become a new main for me if the monk doesn't work out. I'm not sure if i've answered my own question here but would like input on how I should incorporate my team and what's proven to be successful. I'm also interested in maybe playing a mage/Boomkin at some point in time. All the above classes are very capable of making it to my main roster and will probably be classes over time that I grant levels to and play at some point. So thanks in advance and am humble to all feedback. I'm not a name caller/drama starter. Am able to take the tough love. So lay it on me! You never know, you may be looking at the next productive member of this community =)

[ebony]

hi, welcome to the world of boxing!

that is one long post,

Some of the gold making can be easy some is not it goes down to what sell on your server. The videos your talking about down might not claim to be what it is. But i find i can make a lot of gold boxing or have done in the past. just doing my own hc's selling mats from the greens etc. i find a spend a lot more gold as a boxer as well more gems/gear/fixing from a night wipeing on a boss something to take into.

Pvp is still very doable and its not dead i still play 3 in bg's and having a lot off fun though its hard and sometimes it gets messy. As follow got added back to arena then that is still doable and i have seen many having fun there still. And there is world pvp as well that can be very fun at times.

Any class works well the one a lot like is a tank and 4 shamys a good starting group. melee is a bit harder to setup.


if you nerver done it before then i would RAF accounts Yes you can be your own friend and have it linked under your same email if you did not know this, you get 300% free gametimes and a free cool mount. all acconts under the same email get ins mail/ you can share looms as well. you get pets/mounts as well shard on your accounts.

[Khatovar]

Welcome to the forums.

You'd be surprised to learn that a lot of multboxers aren't the basement-dwellers that people claim we must be. A lot of them are actually casual players that pick up multiboxing precisely because they work 12 hour days and don't have time to live on other people's schedules for raiding or spending an hour and a half in a dungeon while the healer, then the tank, then one of the DPS go AFK for a few one after the other until people start leaving group. Or because they are busy raising a family and need to be able to stop and start whenever they want however long they need to without other people waiting around on them.

This means they're usually the exact same people that wouldn't have the time to sit there all day playing the auction house or trying to beat out bots for resource farming. That means most of us would probably be broke, not to say some multiboxers aren't broke, but we have a unique position where everything we get is all ours. We can farm dungeons and take on old raids without competing against other players for drops, resources, cash splits, lock boxes, etc. We can get tokens and the like from dailies many times faster. We can even gather faster by having all the gathering professions available at any given time while we're out so you can gather herbs, ore and leather at the same time, plus disenchanting, bonus cloth and elementals and even the ability to fish faster. Oh, and because we have so many extra toons we can have more professions spread across the accounts, which means we can do profession dailies more often and thus get token recipes faster and do more cooldowns for transmuted cloth, metals, gems or other recipes with a cooldown. All that adds up to a lot of extra resources that we can sell to make money, especially at the beginning of an expansion. Plus, whenever we complete a quest that rewards money, we're usually doing it times five, so we get five times the money.

Granted, we also have more expenses than a normal player. It can cost a lot to gear up if you buy from the auction house, you need tons more bags, tons more spent in repairs, training riding skills multiple times, you need more consumables. But all in all, it shouldn't be too hard to come out ahead if you stick with one team at a time for a while {which is often why people complain about being broke when they bring up a ton of teams at once. Anyone would go broke buying super epic mount speed x5 every week}. Dailies and quests at max level where the xp is converted to gold account for a good income for my team.


As far as classes, pretty much anything can work for multiboxing, though some are not popular choices. Monks, feral druids, warriors and rogues are not terribly popular choices because of their dependency on managing resources. They require a lot of reactive actions that are difficult to respond to or even see on a slave toon, making it harder to build macros for a "standard rotation" for them. Enhancement shamans, Ret paladins and Unholy Deathknights face the same issue on a lesser level, so they aren't common choices either. If you really wanted to play them I'm sure you could manage something, but most would suggest running classes like those as mains so you have more control over them.

Most people love ranged classes. Hunters {especially BM} are popular with good DPS, traps, the buffs provided by the pets and the ability to have the pets offtank.

Warlocks are good DPS and soulstones and summoning is always useful.

Mages are also great for DPS and mage tables and portals have tons of use for a multiboxer.

Priests are pretty popular, but I haven't spent much time boxing them, so I can't speak to the benefits.

Elemental shamans are always a favorite with the ability to have offtanking via the rock pet, healing, tons of buffs, self rezzing, easy to manage DPS and the ability to swap specs to be pure healing or pure DPS as needed. Resto Shamans are great healers, with tons of passive healing tools.

Druids are the same way, while also allowing you to queue yourself in the dungeon finder because a druid can fill any role in the dungeon finder...even if you don't actually play them that way when you get in there. Boomkins used to be a lot more popular, but they're still good choice. And Resto can put out tons of healing with all their HoTs.

Paladins work the same as druids, but you aren't going to find many multiboxers actually running paladin healers. Probably because their healing style keeps changing and it's harder to manage when you have to deal with the rest of the group.

[Refugeelcci]

@ Ebony Thank you for your post Eb! I had no idea about the RAF with the same email. That is preety neato! esp considering the rules with heirlooms. Thanks for that, very nice bit of information for me this morning. Also, very much appreciate the Warning about the multi-boxing pro's/cons appreciate the information. From what I've seen. I can tell it could be a very daunting task. Especially to someone new to the alien technology that is Multi-boxing such as myself. I am all for a challenge! As for my post, well I figured it would be a good idea to personalize it. Give some info on myself, I am very interested in becoming an active member of this community.

@Khatovar I am not sure exactly what people say about multi-boxers as I have been out of the scene a few years now. At one time there was a multi-boxer who used Dk's on my 25m naxx raid back in WOTLK. Believe his name was Moocrew, each boxer followed in number 1-5 lol. Very nice guy. Have been the victim of shamanistic rage multi-boxers. Very deadly, esp when they want their herbs!

I understand the afk dungeons all too well. When I had lots of time (unemployed) I was the AFK guy. Having limited amounts of time to play the game I find makes it more enjoyable. Less AFK, also was reading up on how Blizzard made the game more flexible to Casuals. I really like that! Towards the end of ICC I had a very prominent spot in a guild that was up to blood queen on heroic. Lost spot due to work schedule, never did get my heroic DBW. Had been saving weeks of DKP for that loot. Calling my own shots and making my own raids/ whatever I want when I want is what I need to focus on now. I'm hoping that Multi-Boxing will help me achieve that. I want all the loot!

The way you're bragging up multi-boxing I should probably pay you! Are you in sales? If not, you should really consider it! =) I definitely agree about 1 team, which is mostly why I'm looking to create a team that has lasting power and versatility. I'm definitely sure now that I want a druid. After I made this post I did a lot of thinking about what a team that's going to last would really need. I figured ranged dps would probably be best. Incorporate versatility in case 1 class gets buffed in a future patch so that I could multi spec. Had druid in mind/ other hybrids. Figured I would pick ranged dps that I know from the past are proven and true to perform in raids. In ICC days hunters pulled ridiculous dps as well as mages. I'm not 100% sure about what is the strongest now but I would assume those 2 are still very strong.

I very much like your post, it's very thorough and thoughtful. I appreciate it. With that being said, here is the comp i'm considering and plans involved. First though, I want you to know that I am itching to play a melee. However, I thought it through.. i think! I'm thinking for my comp, I want the monk. That's a given, so i'll make him a tankor so I can get his leveling out of the way. For heals, I'm going to pick the druid. The druid can be a tank at a later time if I ever need to switch em. Plus the boomers are randomly op at times, atleast to what I remember. Hunter,,1 of my favorites. You said it too, their pets can off tank. That is super sweet! Mage/Warlock/Shaman is the last pick, to be truthful. There is a great chance I could enter each and every single one of my multi-boxer toon individually into pvp combat! As far as doing random comps with my friends. I know druids have always been pretty good healers/cc/feral bad asses in arena. I have done super good on a Hunter in the past. The monk is fresh meat, but it might just be my main. I'm not super sure, will have to see how things go once I reach max level. I could change my mind. Warlocks are pvp bad asses too! Very srong, super op at times if not all the time. Very very strong class. Mages are the same, plus they have really cool tricks. Shamans, same way. I remember back at level 70 when shaman healers were ridiculously hard to beat in 3v3. Also ridiculously hard to beat in duels. I'm not sure about the fifth man yet. I know I'm going to make the fourth man a shaman, just because they're a healing class and they also have good dps. The last slot is up to a mage/warlock. How do you feel about that setup and what would you personally pick for your last slot if in my shoes, taking in what I'm considering? =)

Edit: For Additional info, If i'm running 1 boxing team. Maybe I should save my levels granted for melee classes? Just so I wouldn't have to level another team all over again. Just curious, what would be a fast way to level up a new melee get em geared if not on main boxing team? Just switching in and out or do you have a better idea?

[Khatovar]

Well, there's some tradeoff with focusing on one team. You spend less in money and time, especially since you don't need to keep learning how to play every different class. But, you also run into issue if one of your classes gets broken or nerfed into the ground. You're also susceptible to content problems. For example, I had a miserable time in Cata because none of the dungeons were really melee-friendly, never-mind multiboxer friendly.

If you don't have replacements to fall back on, you either have to struggle through it or bring up another toon to replace the now useless toon. And people just don't like to level toons without the RAF bonus. This is why people suggest you invest all your RAF time into bringing up as many toons as possible. In theory, I agree with that. I just don't think leveling is that hard, especially if you can spend the time on a main team building up an Heirloom set and then boosting yourself.

But if you just spend your entire RAF time trying to level to 80 or wherever RAF XP stops these days as fast as possible so you can stop playing team 1 and start working on team 2 over and over again, you're probably going to end your RAF bored, broke and burned out. You should be able to casually level up 2 teams pretty easily before RAF ends. I'm sure you could knock out more if you needed to by switching to boosting towards then end.

As far as melee - I would wait on melee until your second team. If you boost them, level grant them or play them normally is up to you, but I think you will have a much easier time learning how to multibox with a less complicated team with easier classes. Once you get the basics of managing a team, learning the software, setting up your UI and all those little stepping stones that come with starting to multibox, then you should be comfortable enough to start adding additional steps like Interact with Target and the other quirks associated with melee classes.

Plus, if you intend on running Monk/Druid/Shaman you can swap the Druid and Shaman to melee on the first team once you've leveled. Just save any good melee drops or throw them in some starter crafted melee gear for their level, set them up with appropriate new macros and give it a try. You may find you really don't like melee for multiboxing and decide to level something else. Or you might decide you really love mages and want to bring up more. Anything can happen between theorycrafting and actual play.

And finally, you can always redo RAF if you decide down the line you really need a class you don't have. A lot of people will wait for sales on WoW and set up a whole new RAF team with several new accounts, level whatever they want and then do a paid transfer to put the new toons on the old accounts.

Or be cheap like me. Throw new toons in as many +XP heirlooms as possible, be in a max level guild and do it the "old fashioned" way, lol.

[ebony]

i would add a hunter if you are looking to go into pve as it give you every buff in the game with the right pet. In wotlk the times i need to change a char for a buff was unreal though a lot has changed since then.

if i was to do pve agian i would do

pally tank
healer sham
druild or lock
hunter
mage

i find i don't really play wow for anything and i still like my pvp so i try to what i can with that.

Or though i feel boxing is far out of raiding you never know flex is a lot easier then normal LFR just makes my blood boil.


do you play eu or us?

[Refugeelcci]

@Khatovar

I am a little worried about getting burned out. You make some good points with the nerfs. You know, If it ever came to having to create a whole new team from scratch with no RAF. If i'm really serious about making the team RAF won't matter. Even if it does end up taking me 6 months to level that team. I think i'll just use the RAF to level the one team. To be truthful, that RAF I use may suck up all the time I have allowed to level those toons in that time frame anyhow.

I figure, 2 hours a day would probably be my safe estimate on time available. Some days maybe 4-6. Other days I may have more time on my hands if I'm off/nothing is going on here @ home. Before I met my girlfriend here I told her about WoW. I told her that at one point in time it sucked up all my free time. Which is true, it was my favorite hobby. Since I have shown interest in it again. She has been less than supportive. She isn't much for games, she might play the ps3 move or the Wii every once and a while but I'm not sure I can get her on board with WoW. Ya know, If I could manage that I might be gold.

You are right, I'm not really going to know what I'm in for until I put the steps in motion. I change my mind about things that are going on pretty frequent. Not to a level of discontent but if something can be done better and it's visible. Why not try to fix it. I want to try that team for now. I'm the kind of person that If i like a class enough, I stick with em through the good and the bad. Until I get completely bored and need something fresh. All of the classes I want on that team are classes that I feel I will enjoy playing.

For now, will create the team. See how it goes, if I suck will do more research/be back here to find you! Don't forget about me, may be a few months off before I do this. Still need to do a few things around the house before I can build my new PC. After that I'll be all in and a full time active member of Dual-boxing.com Thanks again! =)

[Refugeelcci]

@Ebony I will be playing US! Azgalor- FOR THE HORDE!!!