The Goal Post

[Redbeard]

Since this sub-forum is kind of slow, I thought I would make a post about goals to see if anybody felt like sharing.

I am running 2 5 man mining groups consisting of 1 orca and 4 miners. The orcas are also hauling at this point.

Short Term Goal for me:
My 3 newest guys will be able to fly a hulk in approx 6 days time, I am attempting to raise funds to purchase those (about 1/3 of the way there). They're currently in covetors.

After that:
+4 implants for 10 characters... will set me back about a billion ISK or so if I skimp on charisma
Mining implants for boosters (? price, havent researched)
Mining implants for miners (? price, havent researched)
Secondary mining op setup and ready to go in case catastrophe strikes, 2x orca and 8x hulk roughly 3b after fitting them out etc.

After that, who knows? =D Will update this when I meet a goal.

Feel free to share your goals, and if not... ill just keep rambling here alone, I dont mind.

[EaTCarbS]

Charisma is pretty worthless for mining. Definitely skimp on implanting for it. And why 2 orcas?

[Jwoz]

Charisma is pretty worthless for mining. Definitely skimp on implanting for it. And why 2 orcas?

If he is mining in high-sec, which I think he is, he would deplete the belts too quick if he had all 8 of his miners in one belt. By splitting his miners into two groups he reduces the chance of attracting gankers, as well as not instantly clearing out a belt.

My only recommendation for his setup is mackinaws over hulks, due to the fact that if he is using the orcas for hauling he is already losing out on boosts for a sizable amount of time, so the yield probably wouldn't be that much different between the two, if not better with the mackinaws.

These are my goals
Short term:
buy a second rorqual
buy a Jump freighter

Long term:
Finish training fighter bombers to 5 on my carrier character
Buy a nyx

Super long term:
Currently training all my miners to carriers, so i can lolhotdrop some people.

[Redbeard]

Charisma is indeed useless for mining, but wont be useless for other things to be trained (social skills etc). It is still of course the least worthwhile stat, but does have its limited uses.

Yes Jwoz that is correct. 1 orca and 4 hulks in each belt is comfortable enough where the miners have minimal overlap, the rocks dont pop too quickly, seems to be optimal so far. Still tweaking things.

Boosting isnt down too often, but it does affect things a bit.

I just found out how much the mining foreman link costs these days... considering, if you can still boost from anywhere in the system and dont have to be in the same belt, just parking the orca somewhere, forming a single gang but still splitting into 2 groups and going to different belts, and then pulling a dedicated hauler.

Honestly I dont know if a) a dedicated hauler could keep up with 8 pimped hulks and b) if that is a better setup than 2 orcas, each hauling for their subgroup and temporarily losing out on bonuses.

Still tweaking, opinions are welcome.

Goal Update:
After a mining op earlier today, have enough funds to purchase 2 of the 3 hulks I need. Short term goal: purchase last hulk (for now).

[EaTCarbS]

I don't mine myself, but based on what I see boxers in my corp do, they have a dedicated hauler than hauls ore from anywhere from 10-20 mackinaws to a pos, and boost with a rorqual. Have you considered mining in null?

[moog]

Charisma is indeed useless for mining
Except for the leadership skills on your orca/rorq/booster that help passively boost your fleet:

siege warfare for shields
armored warfare for armor
skirmish warfare for agility, so you align and warp out faster
information warfare for targeting range (very useful if you're using Drones to zap the rats)
leadership/wing command for fleet structure



I'd also point you at Mackinaws over Hulks if you're mining in a system with a station or POS.
Mack has 35,000m3 Ore Bay, you just wait the ~15m for it to fill, then dock/POS up and drop it off.
No need for a dedicated hauler, so you have an extra miner.
Much less stress, too, as you're not continually flying the hauler around collecting cans.
No cans for griefers to flip/shoot.
In null, a big advantage is not leaving cans in the field when you POS up on neuts, so they can't tell where you were mining (as long as you destroy the rat wrecks, too).

[Redbeard]

Hi Moog,

This would be kind of a messy calculation, but I wonder if losing the booster to hauling a few times an hour for a few minutes would be better or worse than losing each miner every 15 minutes as they dock, unload, undock, warp back to position. This coupled with the lower yield of the mack.

Just going with my gut it seems like leaving the miners to do their thing would be optimal.

RE: Carbs, the operations you're talking about have a much larger scale than mine so logistics are different.


I haven't been to null since before I started boxing (2008?)... I dont have fond memories, I think I spent a lot of time hiding in station.

The money sounds great for sure and I loved the asteroids... my 10 would go nuts in a belt like that these days.

[Meeo]

Short Term:

Getting moved back into High-sec over the next day and re-anchoring my POS's.
Build to PnL/Build Plan to re-coup Costs of my latest BPO Acquisitions.
4 More days til 2 Orcas roll-out of production and onto Market (hopefully the sell quickly).

Long Term:

Nothing planned at this time.
To Mine or not to mine again....this is the question!

I've spent the last several months maintaining the indy backbone of a small Null-sec Alliance, but do to shifts in leaderships and long term alliance plans i decided to move back to high-sec to have less to worry about, especially when dealing new alliance leadership that doesn't quite understand all the aspects of the game other then fighting and killing ships (and they wonder why they cant afford stuff).

[Redbeard]

I've danced the 0.0 leadership incompetence dance before, wasnt fun.

What was your mining setup wtih your 14 in null if you dont mind my asking? And if you get to high sec mining what do you think youll do?

[moog]

This would be kind of a messy calculation, but I wonder if losing the booster to hauling a few times an hour for a few minutes would be better or worse than losing each miner every 15 minutes as they dock, unload, undock, warp back to position. This coupled with the lower yield of the mack.

An easy comparison using EFT :)

I'll be boosting with a maxed out Orca pilot:
http://s22.postimg.org/8dyokrt1t/Orca.jpg

Here's your Hulk yield - a maxed out L5 miner with a Highwall3 implant:
http://s15.postimg.org/efm73y3ij/Hulk.jpg

and similarly for the Mack:
http://s21.postimg.org/m51bhjz3r/Mack.jpg

Now plug those into Excel and voila...
http://s23.postimg.org/fwaiuxqqz/Hulk_Mack_Comparison.jpg


These are theoretical maximum hourly yields, ignoring that fact that asteroids run out, neuts interrupt mining and you lose, say, a minute per ore bay to warp/deposit/return.
So it's not until you have 7 Hulks + 1 hauler that you actually start beating the yield from the Mackinaws.

I can't stress how much better the Macks are - I used to haul when I was running 5 Covetors and it's very hard to keep up with them... I wouldn't go back to hauling for such a big fleet.
A huge advantage in null is not leaving cans behind, revealing where you were mining and giving the neut something to shoot when they can't find your ships!
In hi-sec, no cans = no can flipping.

Mackinaws FTW :)

[Meeo]

I've danced the 0.0 leadership incompetence dance before, wasnt fun.

What was your mining setup wtih your 14 in null if you dont mind my asking? And if you get to high sec mining what do you think youll do?


Nullsec setup was 3 Scouts, 16 Tech2 Large Bubbles on All inbound gates (32 total deployed against 2 gates), 1 Orca+1Freighter for Hauling (if i dont have a corpie hauling), 1 Rorqual in the tower boosting and compressing extra ore and 8-10 (depending on Hauler Situation) Hulk Miners. Each miner have all ore processing at level 4 for Tech 2 Crystals, Exhumers 5. In null-sec we flipped 3 indy 3-4 systems that way if we had a camper we would just JB over to the other area mine there until they showed up. Lots of time staying camped in station trying to bait out the camper so we could continue mining. That worked about 10% of the time. In nullsec we were pushing enough minerals to make a half-dozen or so carriers a month including 1 super a month, but then again it was primarily 3 to 4 multiboxing mining members(me and my xo both used 8 to 10 miners each not counting support), and the others were 5 to 6 miners each. That all came to end when the new leadership took over (primarily because we didn't like the new leader on a personal level).

For highsec, since i have a few other indy friends still traveling with me, they have been mining minerals for me, each of them using 5 or 6 non-boosted miners. When i get setup, ill will revert back to 12 Hulks (or macks, due to tanking issues) and 1 Orca(2 Foreman Links + 1 Siege Link) in belt being used to pass minerals into a charon/obelisk freighter. The tanks on my hulks can usually tanks 2 to 3 Suicide destroyers, tested against 3 catalysts doing 650-700 dps in a 0.5. They were in hull but still lived. I may switch to macks just to be sure i can mine to some more re-assuring safety against small gang destroyer ganks, or smart bombing battleships. Inside of the Orca i usually keep 3 types of ships, a surveying interceptor i can use to review the next belts setup 160km warp-to-pings, 1 Scythe Logi ship (3 shield reps), 1 PVP Tengu with 1 Shield Rep (this is actually my C4-C5 farming tengu setup with a web/scram instead of extra tank), the Tengu is incase i get to fight something. Orca usually sits within range of my main so i can swap ships all the others are spread out across the belt to keep from being BS smartbombed. If i switch to Macks, i probably wouldn't worry about the smartbombing BS setup.

[Grondir]

Short-term: Make some isk in null to be able to plex at least 4 accounts, while training up 2 toons to be rorq pilots and getting all my miners to T2 mining crystal and exhumers 5.

Long-term: Reactivate all 12 accounts for null industry and build up a 5 man HS missioning marauder squad :)

[pinotnoir]

I have 5 accounts. 4 miners and an orca. My orca is working towards fenrir pilot. Once I get him up I will bring ore to the POS then to the station with a fenrir. You should come down to null. I am in a corp that has several multiboxers. So far it's pretty cool. If I was you do a rorqual pilot and 9 miners in null with a corp.

[rrfarmer]

Hey contact me in game. I run a nullsec multiboxer only corp that's part of an alliance, plenty of ISK and infrastructure.

In game: Ryan Farmern

Thanks!

[Tanner]

Hey all o/

I'm a relatively well-known 'boxer in the meta community, I work for EVE Radio and am involved in a couple of third party dev projects (some of which I hope to announce soon™!) and have been a multiboxer more or less since I started playing EVE. I am an economist that mostly deals with primary industries (minerals, moon go, reactions, etc.) and run 5 active accounts at this point: 3 miners, 1 orca, and 1 pvp/pve toon which I am looking to expand as time goes on. I run a wormhole corp and like to hide in J-space from the weirdness of highsec and the drama of nullsec. Wormholes for me have been pretty safe and profitable so far, with zero industrial losses to this date (industrial losses, I've surrendered a few legions so far lol).

My short term goals are to save up enough liquid assets to invest in five more accounts (five more miners) bringing the total count up to 8 miners, 1 boost, and 1 pvp/pve toon. This will open up 29 accounts (minus one for other reasons) for PI alone, which will be a massive source of income for me in the year ahead.

My long term goals include using the investment and resources that I have accumulated at this point through multibox mining to produce capitals, POS's, fuel, ships, and a manner of other items and be enabled to be the financial backbone of an alliance. Things are going pretty swell at this point in terms of heading that direction and I only look forward to continuing to work towards it.

This is my first post on dual-boxing.com so I'd also like to say hello and looking forward to many fruitful discussions with my fellow 'boxers :)

[Redbeard]

Hey Tanner,

Welcome to the boards and thanks for sharing!

The more the merrier in the Eve section.... if you have any news to share or just feel like hashing something out, whether it be a procedural MBoxing thing or just an Eve related thing, feel free to throw up a post.

[Redbeard]

Updated:

Earned enough to outfit the entire group in exhumers. Giving up my other orca and trying mackinaw mining / self hauling to see if I like that method better than hauling with the orca.

[grap]

We try a new methode with giant contenairs. with a freighter, we carry few giant contenairs ( 120.000m3) and we full with the hulks around. When 5 /6 are full, the freighter carry back to the station. The huge contenairs 240.000m3 are little to big ans better to use the 120.000 for the operation. now freighter can jettison / load / unload in full space so it s fast and huge ore quantity in each travel.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

We try a new methode with giant contenairs. with a freighter, we carry few giant contenairs ( 120.000m3) and we full with the hulks around. When 5 /6 are full, the freighter carry back to the station. The huge contenairs 240.000m3 are little to big ans better to use the 120.000 for the operation. now freighter can jettison / load / unload in full space so it s fast and huge ore quantity in each travel.

So the trade-off is you risk some security issues for a LOT more efficient hauling trips?

[grap]

the pocke is in 0.0 and the last of the series so the intel advise me before hotdropper arrive

[FSXJC]

Hello All! I have been multiboxing 10 hulk accounts and two orcas for a little over two years now. Although I have never posted before, I do keep up with the forums. As far as my goals, I am currently working on getting one of my toons a titan and further developing my mining horde. Hope to see you gents around!

[Redbeard]

Wow!

What fitting will you be using for your mining titan?

[Morganti]

Haha...I doubt he'll mine with the titan ;) But if you do, tell me where you're at so I and some friends can come....watch....

[moog]

Ratting Titan FTW!!!! ;)

[Redbeard]

I know Morg I was just kidding =D

I like the idea though.

Warp into belt.
Doomsday weapon entire belt.
Call in group to come loot all the minerals.
Profit.

[FSXJC]

I may use it as my mining base, backup hulks/ crystals/ implants ETC.. haha. I'm a heavy pvp'r also and would love to bridge small gangs around... That's my main goal haha.

[EaTCarbS]

I'm not sure of my current goals. I wouldn't mind pumping out incursions, but I might need a few hardware upgrades before I'd like to do that. Right now I just rat/salvage simultaneously in nullsec anoms, and PvP when the need arises.

[Althanear]

Wow i'm glad I came across this thread. I currently run 9 accounts and the skills are lets say..... various? 6 are nearly maxed miners with Macks and Hulks for when i get the inclination to mine. I have bots a hi sec and 0.0 base of operations with a maxed orca/rorq pilot I JC between. I have been looking at getting some alts into a WH simply for PI. I have some friends and have access to either a C1 or C2 with low/high statics i can set up PI for. C1 has all planets for Robotics so looking at that. Only problem is i need to be able to plex these accounts otherwise I will be dropping 6 accounts as its costs too much. I'm currently running some reaction towers to fund my booster and indy and main pvp toon. All my 6 mining pilots are also able to PvP with bombers and alpha nados and whatnot. I just need to get the isk income up to be able to keep all my accounts.

Tanner, how much do you make per toon per month for PI in a WH at the moment?

[Blubber]

I just started Eve a couple weeks ago, currently running 3 accounts, mining in high sec. I have 2 retriever and use the third account in a Badget mk II for hauling. I'm training my miners to get them into a mack, and my hauler is training to pilot an Orca, she's almost there, buyt I don't have the cash to buy it yet :).

The badger is way too small, I got a backlog of ore in some local station waiting to get transported to Jita for sale, but the miners are mining faster then I can sell the ore :s.

I use ISBoxer primarily for fast switching between windows and to display a clickbar on each window with the pilot's name. How do other people with mining fleets use isboxer?

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I got my hauler guy trained into a Mammoth when I was mining, which did really well for high-sec as you're not so worried about needing to warp out on a moment's notice (it aligns sssllllloooowwwwwwlllllyyyyyy). :P And they're cheap.

[moog]

Don't forget, with the recent changes, all haulers are incredibly easy to train into, so I've swapped from Mammoths to Iteron Vs.

Train Gallente Industrial I and you can be sat in an Itty5 in 33m or less.
With about 15h training, to get expanded cargohold IIs and cargohold optimization rigs installed, you have a 32,284m3 hauler.
Train Gallente Ind to 3, another 17h training, and you are hauling over 35,358m3.

A similarly fitted (Minmatar Ind 3) Mammoth only hauls 25,999m3.

Jita prices are around 2m for a Mammoth and only 2.4m for the Itty5.

[Blubber]

Going to take a look at those Iteron's as soon as I get back today, it says on the eve wiki that Vs require Gallente Ind. V and Gallente Frigate III.

[moog]

Going to take a look at those Iteron's as soon as I get back today, it says on the eve wiki that Vs require Gallente Ind. V and Gallente Frigate III.

That's out of date, then - all the haulers were made incredibly easy to fly back in the June patch...
http://s10.postimg.org/sl5ncbpg9/Itty5.jpg

[Blubber]

Nice, thanks moog! I wasn't playing back then yet :).

[moog]

wow... you're right... they haven't bothered to update the official wiki... http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Iteron_Mark_V

[Althanear]

Hey,

Hit me up in game (Althanear) and ill help you out. I recommend refining the ore or getting someone with good skill to do so. You will sell it faster and usually at a better profit.

[Morganti]

I never really posted in here and honestly still have no real goals in the game. I've been playing pirate in lowsec as of late but I'm finding that ganking is really only as fun as the technical challenges. That and most of the time it's like beating up a little kid who can't fight back. Once in awhile you get a juicy kill that makes you some isk but in general it's just numbers on a killboard and lots of waiting. I'd almost rather just hisec gank I think.

I'm still making my isk via trading, and actually have a third trader leveling up in the wings. Four out of five of my mains are in capitals (dreads or carriers or both) and the fifth is a boosting/logi pilot. Could be in supercaps if there was any point to it and I could afford them ;)

So goals:

I've lived in c1, c3, and c4 sized wormholes. I've lived in nullsec (if you count Providence as nullsec) recently, in a renter alliance long ago in the past further south, and in the drone regions. I've done missions from L1 to L5. I've mined in hisec, lowsec (ha!), nullsec, and wormholes. I've done PI in hisec, lowsec, nullsec, and wormholes. I've been in a hisec merc corp, a hisec mining corp, tons of my own corps, wormhole corps, a drug making corp, pretty much everything short of the huge sov war alliances (which I never felt I had time for). I've tried manufacturing (never seemed profitable unless it was LP based). I've ratted in hisec, low, null, and wormholes. I've done hacking sites, mined gas, done archaeology sites, and run anoms in null. I've suicide ganked, I've ransomed people, I've camped gates, played station games, and learned the art of station bumping. I've bashed POS's and put up my own. I've done small group pvp both solo and multiboxing.

The sad fact of all that is I'm still a newb at this game. Most of those things have intricacies within intricacies to learn about, and while I've done a lot I've only scratched the surface of most of what I've listed there. The other sad fact is I have no idea what else I'd even like to do to hold my attention, but luckily life is keeping me busy outside of EVE and so I don't get bored with it as quickly. :) Goals? Nah...Just give me something entertaining to do when I log in and that's good enough for now.