Nullsec Ratting - How do they work?

[EaTCarbS]

I've been messing with a couple of different ship groups between a fleet of 5 to 9 pilots, and I was wondering what others who multibox ratting go about it. My last fleet was 6 Ravens and 3 Ospreys, but I think it is a bit overkill.

[Redbeard]

I lived in nullsec looooooooooooooooooooooong ago but i seem to remember something about you building up the rats that were in the belts.

Example, if there was a good spawn with some high end BSs, youd leave alive a frigate and the same group would respawn a bit later, something like that. If it was a shitty spawn youd kill them all to get a fresh one. Not sure if thats still how it works.

That said just make sure you're being careful with that much firepower.

[EaTCarbS]

I don't go in the belts, I run the anomalies and signatures.

[moog]

Anomolies in null (not the scanned down anomolies, the 'public' anomolies) - used to do it with 5 x Navy Ravens (which was massive overkill tbh) but I've sold them and am swapping into Typhoons.
Warp in at 100km, chuck out Sentries, kill everything before it gets to about 60km, so never worry about scrambling/neuting etc etc.
I only use the cheap T1 cruise missiles, too, as I'm overkilling most targets and the price jump to T2 ammo is silly (you'd end up losing money on frigates and some cruisers).

[Meeo]

Typhoons are very impressive ships right now. 6 Ravens and 3 Osprey is definitely overkill, but then again that overkill could deter potential small gang ganks.

I have not ratted in a few weeks or so, but i used 4 carriers and run 2 sites at once, usually sanctums that take about 15 minutes each site. i usually warp in about 50 or 60, that way i can range the frigs when they rush out to the carrier, so i do not have to switch out my sentries.

[moog]

Typhoons are very impressive ships right now

Guess what I sold my Navy Ravens to swap into :)

[Grondir]

Typhoons are very impressive ships right now. 6 Ravens and 3 Osprey is definitely overkill, but then again that overkill could deter potential small gang ganks.

I have not ratted in a few weeks or so, but i used 4 carriers and run 2 sites at once, usually sanctums that take about 15 minutes each site. i usually warp in about 50 or 60, that way i can range the frigs when they rush out to the carrier, so i do not have to switch out my sentries.

I'm heading down the carrier route. But need to optimise a hisec kill squad to farm isk first

[EaTCarbS]

I would also like to keep with a group that can do 10/10 sites with relative ease. I was thinking of Ravens with micro jump drives.

[moog]

I'm heading down the carrier route. But need to optimise a hisec kill squad to farm isk first

Yup, aiming for Archons, myself, but Typhoons in the meanwhile.
I wouldn't aim to make isk in hisec - get into null and start nuking anomolies!

[Grondir]

Yup, aiming for Archons, myself, but Typhoons in the meanwhile.
I wouldn't aim to make isk in hisec - get into null and start nuking anomolies!

Archons for me too. Trying to get into null, but as I don't really PvP (doesn't really interest me and not really tried it...) most corps seem to reject me on principle

[EaTCarbS]

Archons for me too. Trying to get into null, but as I don't really PvP (doesn't really interest me and not really tried it...) most corps seem to reject me on principle

PvP in null? The only pvp I've seen since I started playing is the occasional roam/ganker/cloaky camper. The only time that a fight ever happens is when one side can greatly outman or outgun the other side, unless you join a large alliance.

[Grondir]

PvP in null? The only pvp I've seen since I started playing is the occasional roam/ganker/cloaky camper. The only time that a fight ever happens is when one side can greatly outman or outgun the other side, unless you join a large alliance.

True. But it seems harder to get in a null corp than it does to get a mortgage lol! I want to shoot shit and make isk, why do I need to fill out a 10 page application form and then have vent interviews. IT'S A GAME! :)

[grap]

I have not ratted in a few weeks or so, but i used 4 carriers and run 2 sites at once, usually sanctums that take about 15 minutes each site. i usually warp in about 50 or 60, that way i can range the frigs when they rush out to the carrier, so i do not have to switch out my sentries. hello, with your carrier, you use olny sentries or fighters ? Today, i have my first carrier and i send 1 tengu with 5 fighters assist around. Well, they kill fastely 1 fighter event in the hidden den. In my area, carrier and Scarrier are forbiden in the belt so i stay in the POS. It s possible or i need to check and heal fighters often ? Maybe it s was fregate so figters are better with heavy BS ?

[Meeo]

I use only sentries, usually switch between gardes/wardens depending on the engagement range. i very rarely use fighters unless i have a bad warp-in and i am to close to the towers. If your warping in at range, your sentries should have no issues deal with frigates as they rush towards you. This is also with the assumption your carrier is fully pve/ratting fit (which is technically fail-fit) in regards to those who think highly of themselves - but it gets the job done faster for more iskies.

Fighters are no so bad if your using a Tech3, especially if your not allowed to use a carrier in the anom in your area (which is odd, but understandable, a dead ratting carrier on a KB is pretty bad to see).

[grap]

Ok, thank s. You check the level of eache fighter and you send back to the carrier when the shield is off

[gibsonus]

You guys still reading this one??

I'm using 7 sentry ishtars in null anoms and occassionally I add an 8th Thanatos into the mix (overkill).

I fit them as close to a pvp fit as I can because the anoms get eaten up that fast that I don't need an active pve tank.

I have actually been wondering about smart bombing battleships. Would a local repper on each ship be enough to have them all running together but mitigate damage done to each other? Would the bombs all need to be of the same type like in a bomber fleet?

[Mokoi]

you could fit 5 ishtars and just warp toi 5 different anoms, and drop heavies and then only watch your HP, and rep when needed. 5 at once, lots of ISK.. ratting doesnt make enough money to support 9 accounts unless you do it for like 3 hours a day, and have a really good system to support it. It's mind-bogglingly boring.

But, sentry / heavy drones are the way to go. Find angel space and kill with bouncers at range, or gardes anywhere else and kill at 40.

PS: If you rat in an idiot-fit carrier and I wormhole into your system, you are going to die.

http://disavowed.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=21377123

[gibsonus]

I Can blitz a haven or forsaken hub in short order, so it's probably similar in isk to putting one ship in each anom. Although I'm gonna try it tomorrow and see.

The carrier is out a lot less often than the others ;-)

Oh and I have skilled 7 toons to proteus. Not sure how to utilise that yet. Fun for gate camps maybe.

[Mokoi]

Maybe WH space is for you. Who needs crappy isk in NS.

[gibsonus]

You could be right although multiboxing is awkward enough without all the dscanning etc... that I hear is required in a hole??

I'm getting 10mill per character per tick x 8 in null. Judging by some of the freighter kills with sleeper loot I saw recently though I guess you make a lot more in W space.

[EaTCarbS]

You could be right although multiboxing is awkward enough without all the dscanning etc... that I hear is required in a hole??

I'm getting 10mill per character per tick x 8 in null. Judging by some of the freighter kills with sleeper loot I saw recently though I guess you make a lot more in W space.

Yep, its a risk/reward thing.

[Mosg2]

I currently make about 8-900 mil an hour clearing C4 sites in WH space. I would say that the absolute minimum to run them efficiently would be 5 accounts--Two T1 Logi is enough to rep through any wave in a C4 provided you're not killing the triggers early and applying your DPS appropriately.

I ratted in NS a few months ago, albeit with a lot less skill points, and I firmly agree with Mokoi that any multiboxing fleet is overkill in NS. Even if you warp each individual ship to a different haven/sanctum and have them setup to passive tank them you're not gonna generate more than 200m an hour. Of course, the worst part is that you're going to clear ALL of the anomalies in an hour or two and then have no money to be made.

In WH space you clear your static WH's sites and then just crash the hole and scan down your new one. It is a time investment to roll it and then scan down the new one, check for life etc but it means that you can do the ISK dance indefinitely.

As for D-scan... Yeah. You do. At the same time, if you've scanned down your prospective farming static appropriately you're gonna' know if there are inhabitants that will put up a fight, and/or if there are people further down the WH chain that will fight with you.

The great thing, nay the best thing, about multiboxing in WH space is that you singly represent a huge fighting force. In NS even 10 or 15 ships is a gift to a blops gang. In WH space, my fleet of 20 ships is king.

[gibsonus]

I have unlimited havens etc... but Yeh while it is a constant 200 per hour, it will never be more in that location. I may need to look at skilling some logi and taking the leap.

Is the isk from worm holes mainly salvage related or do they have bounties?

[Mosg2]

They don't give bounties per se--They drop 'blue loot' that has set NPC buy orders. Each C4 site averages to 95 million per site with about 50-60m from blue loot and the rest from salvage. The frigates and cruisers can be salvaged quite easily with Salvaging III and some T1 salvagers. The battleships are a little harder to salvage so might require some Salvaging rigs.

I personally run a command ship which provides links and does the salvaging for me. It's a nice package deal and safer/faster than trailing a Noctis behind to salvage.

From the perspective of isk/time as a multiboxer, I firmly feel that Incursions are the best place to be followed somewhat closely by a C4-C6 wormhole. My characters are still low skilled (5-6m sp per toon) but once you get an effective UI and ISBoxer setup going it's pretty easy to clear the C4 sites. The majority of the risk is getting discovered by a larger WH entity and them forming a fleet to come fight you--However, since you're in a C4 it means they're not bringing in a capital fleet. If you've got 10 ships in your fleet, you're going to scare off most people :)

From a fun perspective I enjoy the WH life, though it can't be stressed enough that the logistics of living there suck. I have almost an entire backup fleet of ships in my POS because you've got to stock up when you have a good high sec exit. I'm currently mulling the idea of running 20 man Incursions for money. If it's twice as fast as what I can do in a WH... Yeah, the boredom might be worth it :)

[Jacobsalt]

I currently make about 8-900 mil an hour clearing C4 sites in WH space. I would say that the absolute minimum to run them efficiently would be 5 accounts--Two T1 Logi is enough to rep through any wave in a C4 provided you're not killing the triggers early and applying your DPS appropriately.

I ratted in NS a few months ago, albeit with a lot less skill points, and I firmly agree with Mokoi that any multiboxing fleet is overkill in NS. Even if you warp each individual ship to a different haven/sanctum and have them setup to passive tank them you're not gonna generate more than 200m an hour. Of course, the worst part is that you're going to clear ALL of the anomalies in an hour or two and then have no money to be made.

In WH space you clear your static WH's sites and then just crash the hole and scan down your new one. It is a time investment to roll it and then scan down the new one, check for life etc but it means that you can do the ISK dance indefinitely.

As for D-scan... Yeah. You do. At the same time, if you've scanned down your prospective farming static appropriately you're gonna' know if there are inhabitants that will put up a fight, and/or if there are people further down the WH chain that will fight with you.

The great thing, nay the best thing, about multiboxing in WH space is that you singly represent a huge fighting force. In NS even 10 or 15 ships is a gift to a blops gang. In WH space, my fleet of 20 ships is king.

I had a question for you.... is that 800-900m per hour running 20 accts or is that with just the 5 like you mentioned being the minimum? Can you also suggest good sites to do with rolling holes and which sites are worth doing etc?

[EcoGas]

hey there, came back to Eve after along vacation :)

what would be a good duo for ratting in 0.0 OR missionig in empire?

I dont want to farm for a plex (can buy a GTC from Eve store) But I like to do PvP with good mods (faction,ds,...) and I like to fly faction cruisers, Those will cost alot so I want to support my pvp by ratting a few hours a week

thx

[EaTCarbS]

hey there, came back to Eve after along vacation :)

what would be a good duo for ratting in 0.0 OR missionig in empire?

I dont want to farm for a plex (can buy a GTC from Eve store) But I like to do PvP with good mods (faction,ds,...) and I like to fly faction cruisers, Those will cost alot so I want to support my pvp by ratting a few hours a week

thx

Depends on what kind of isk you're willing to invest. Dominix is the fotm for pretty much everything pve right now, though you can never go wrong with a couple faction BS. I just started using cruise/sentry geddons with reasonable effectiveness.

[EcoGas]

hmm read some about sentry domi/ishtars, Guesse there are the OP at this moment

2 RR domi's with senries in sanctum/haven should work?

cruise geddons? :) can you link a fit for them?