Boxing AH, got suspended

[Shania]

god I am so unhappy and very disappointed in Blizzard, I have been suspended on 1 of my wow accounts I use for AH.
I use x5 for gems, 1 for enchants, and only made all 5 accounts go active in the AH due to some tool who thinks AH and realm is his, too teach him a lesson and post on x5 toons at once.

War has been going on for weeks and weeks and weeks, so I stripped one account too be only enchants, every single kind of enchant there is, I have over 50 of each of, except braces, ones needs Sha Crystals, those i have 5-6 of each and afew jade ones that need 10 sha crystals.

All I have done for ages is farm the silver elites in townlong steppes, on my hunter which is an enchanter, so i can DE th eblue it drops and the big bag of arms, 2 epics for Sha crystals, I end up with tonnes of lotus from big bag of herbs or from small loot bags it adds up + I do farms x8 toons every single day.

Friggen sniffling cry babies, sending in tickets I am sure, so I get suspended. Or banned, I do not know until blizzard responds to my appeal.

I did not get an email because my own domain email is not working since I recently changed hosts and DNS is not functioning right, what timing.

/sigh.

Anyone else have had this happen before ? Am I not allowed to play the AH that much ??

I am not making mass amounts of gold, some days 20k, other days 10k, sometimes on a rare day 30k throughout a 12 hr session, so /rubs head

But it certainly has shocked me. And I hope I get access back to my account, all my gold is held in that account in the guild bank. And mats worth 800k or so. /cry

[Owltoid]

This doesn't make sense. Can you include an edited version of your ticket where you were suspended? I'd like to see their rationale.

[Shania]

There was no ticket I was happily playing on ALL accounts then 1 of the accounts i thought disconnected, I went to log in, and has Error #203.\So I used Live chat and was told they cannot see a reason why, and to check my email, my email host is my own domain, recently changed hosts so I cannot access that email, yet. No tickets etc, so I created one 30 minutes ago and I see the rep I spokse too in live chat, re-created my ticket under topic " World Of Warcraft - My game license is banned or suspended and I want to appeal."

I dont even know why it was suspened, all I can think of is the cry babies 2 inspecific who I under cut instantly as they were doing to me, are sooking I have stepped into the Ah and now they cannot compete with someone using 5-6 accounts at once to post.

Oh and not long before it happened, I transmute 240 gems, then turnt them into Diamonds around 54 or so, I did that in that instance in ORH forgot name, lol, dont pay attention to it, I go in there at times when I am xmuting alot, so the spies who keep monitoring my AH Stats, are not seeing what I am xmuting etc.

[Fat Tire]

If you havent received an email yet I am sure you will receive one soon along with it telling you how long you are suspended.

[Shania]

I want to know WHY I was. Ticket response i do not know how long it will take. /sigh

[Shania]

A user of the above account has recently been involved in actions deemed inappropriate for the World of Warcraft by the In-Game Support staff of Blizzard Entertainment. This decision was made after a thorough investigation of the situation as a whole.

When a harassment report is made, all players involved in the incident are subject to review, which may result in account penalties. Though we are unable to discuss the outcomes of our investigations due to privacy concerns, rest assured that this incident has been looked into very thoroughly, and the appropriate actions have been taken on all involved accounts.

Any disputes or questions concerning the following account action can only be addressed by Account Administration. To learn more about how Account Administration is able to assist you, please visit us at http://us.blizzard.com/support/article/cs .

Account Action: Suspension (72 Hours)

Offense: Unapproved Third Party Software

A third party program is any file or program that is not a part of the World of Warcraft software, but is used to gain an advantage in the game, such as increasing your movement speed or teleporting from one place to another beyond what is allowed by game design. It also includes any programs that obtain information from the game that is not normally available to the regular player or that transmit or modify any of the game files. Normally, this classification does not include UI modifications, except those UIs that require an external application to function. Any external applications that are used in conjunction with World of Warcraft can cause quite a few unwanted side effects. Some of the major possible results of the use of third party programs can be instability of the game to the point that a player "crashes" from the game quite often. External programs can also be used to transmit viruses, spyware, and other unwanted programs into a player's computer. Third party programs can also be used to obtain information from the player's computer, such as account, password, and personal information.

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what the hell, 72 hrs .................. so I cannot use isboxer anymore, is that what it says by 3rd party ? Jesus cause thats all I am using and normal mods

[Mickthathick]

It sounds like you have been reported on multiple times by other players for 'harassment' and have been temp-banned by blizzard's wonderful new automated systems.

If it was a for real ban due to using third-party programs then it would of been a perma-ban, not temporary ban, these usually relate to botting programs not IS boxer

Also a guy was recently temp-banned for posting 1000s of auctions using TSM and having the mouse-scroll wheel macroed to 'click' the pop-up button confirming each auction, perhaps you were picked up by this auto-system.

[ebony]

anything is 3rd party but anything blizzard makes (EG: Windows) Check computer make sure you not been hacked.

[Tin]

I have been using the AH and ISboxer+TSM for more than 4 years - with no problems.

1 posting AH toons: 3 glyphs 1 herb/ink/flask 1 ore
2 posting AH tones: 1 amor 1 perfekt gem 1 food/ench 1 DM cards 1 gems

Right now I´m Reposting 3-6 times a day - but have been camping the AH too under the glyph/gem rush for 12-14 hours with 3-4 accounts

Open a ticket iside your battlenet account or better call them

[Shania]

Greetings,

I can totally understand how this situation with your account would be upsetting, but I was able to get this investigated, so don't worry! ^_^

After a thorough review of the circumstances involved in this action, the account has been reopened and access restored! Yay!

You should be able to log back in now, but if not you may need to reset the password. You can do this by visiting: (https://us.battle.net/account/support/password-reset.html)

Before you do though, please take a few moments to look over the World of Warcraft Terms of Use (http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/wow_tou.html), as we take matters involving the integrity of the game environment very seriously.

Please understand that should another incident of this nature arise in the future, it is possible that a different outcome will be reached, up to and including Account Closure.

The Terms of Use state that you will not "...modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Game Client or the Service in any way not expressly authorized by Blizzard" or "...use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the World of Warcraft experience..." Additionally, the Battle.net Terms of Use (http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html) state that "You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of the Login Information, and you will be responsible for all uses of the Login Information, including purchases, whether or not authorized by you."

Thank you for contacting us and I hope you continue to enjoy your experience in World of Warcraft! <3

Best wishes,

Game Master Ixzal


I sent like 4 tickets asking why has this occured, what third party am I using, where has it come from.
Also said am I being suspended to shut the cry babies up, who are sooking cause they are being beaten a their own game, in the AH ?

cause thats what it seems like.

So am I going to get suspended again or worse ? Why has blizz no said, sorry was a mistake when first email said after thorough investigation this is wha we found out,etc. what a load of crap really

[HPAVC]

I would just contact them, you have had the subscriptions for years, you are using the same external ip address, some authenticator fob, same email address, same cpu serial, you have a virus scanner in place, windows is up to date, etc. You have not traded any large sums of gold outside your own accounts, etc.

[Mickthathick]

Yer definitely appeal, and keep appealling until you get an answer from an actual human not one of their automated CS bots.

[beeq]

I hate AH, because sometimes it is just impossible to sell anything, thanks to the players who play AH for living..
Though AH undercutting can be solved with at least two ways.

AH requests
Player A wants to buy 200 Goldthorns for 5g each.
Player A puts a request on AH => WTB 200 Goldthorn 5g each.
Player A completes the request by transferring 1000 gold to AH.
Player A begins to wait miracle if someone really sells these herbs for this cheap!

Player B with Goldthorns browses AH requests and sees Goldthorn needs.
Player B fulfills Player A's requests; Player A gets 200 Goldthorn, Player B gets the 1000g from AH system.
Everyone is happy, yay!

AH personal item lock
Player A sees he has been undercutted on Runecloth.
Player A removes one or more his Runecloth auction, causing Runecloth being locked for him to prevent auctioning that item again for 60 minutes.
Everyone is happy, yay!

[EaTCarbS]

AH requests
Player A wants to buy 200 Goldthorns for 5g each.
Player A puts a request on AH => WTB 200 Goldthorn 5g each.
Player A completes the request by transferring 1000 gold to AH.
Player A begins to wait miracle if someone really sells these herbs for this cheap!


That's a part of what I like about EVE. Buy AND sell requests. The thing about them is that it provides a means for scamming, which Blizzard isn't too fond of.

[Shania]

Thanks, but if you read on page 1 at bottom I pasted it was lifted.

It is beside the point though, I want to know Why I was suspended to begin with.

The 1st email stipulates "After a thorough Investigation" blah blah about Third Party, then on other ticket responses, it was listed after another "Investigation"

It is utter rubbish, I am almost near certain it is because I beat this stupid child at the AH, and on enchants, I post, relist for hours on end and make decent amounts just off enchants alone.

He sooked and lowered gems thinking I would go away, so I lowered them ontop of his by a good 20g each for every single gem cut that exists and keep them that way for 48 hrs at a time.

What pisses me off, is, if someone finds genuine legit ways too obtain mats, that cost nothing other then time, other then ore that I buy off Ah if cheap, or from someone who cods me them at a cheap price, but like 6-10 crates per day or second day on a different account, that I can keep making gems, enchants, xmute gems, diamonds, make flasks etc and keep putting them in the AH< that they have a cry probably over and over too blizzard too do something, so they suspend me too shut the cry babies up...

Just upsetting and also makes me deeply sad. I play legit, always have had, I spend and invest alot of time in the game I really enjoy, if I didnt I wouldnt play it.

Have 6 active acounts for years. Etc. I play AH I like it, I enjoy it, I also raid on my main toon and main account, dailys etc, farm mounts, blah blah blah.

I stepped onto someones turf, so he claims is his AH and realm, he worked if 2 yrs .......... someone months ago shows up, can out list him, and on 5 accounts or 6 if I wanted too, though originally I used only 1 account too post which took ages, gems, flasks, buckles, chants, until the competition started to have tantrums and do idiotic things, so I taught him a lesson and put x5 toons in AH, 4 did Gems/Diamonds of various colours, 1 did just enchants, buckles and flasks, so he then came back with a 2nd account, 1 for enchants, other all gems, he cannot compete and war went on for ages... and then I got suspended.

kind of funny yet on other hand I find it very offensive, because I did nothing wrong, other then play AH and did it better then the competition, and I get an email telling me all things I said above yet when I asked what are you referring too about third party, what is it called and where has it come from etc I recieve no response.

You know what, Blizzard needs another GhostCrawler to work in these investigation departments and too put these damn sooky whinging, sniffling little kids in their places and tell them straight, do not cry to us, if your beaten at your own game, in the AH.

I like GhostCrawler, I like alot of his responses he has too the public. Anyway I just had too rant, because i am still unhappy about the suspension occurring in the first place.

And I want an Apology.

[Owltoid]

You keep insisting this is a result of your AH activities, yet there is nothing to lead you to that conclusion other than your paranoia about this other player. I think competing with this other player has caused severe tunnel vision and you may want to take a step back - you likely got suspended because you're multiboxing and experienced a false positive.

[Shania]

Good point, so if that is the case, should I not use my boxing accounts for the AH ?

I really do not want a suspension too occur again.
Also being my first suspension and even though it was lifted, does this remain as some kind of black mark on my account ?
Need I be concerned ?

[Owltoid]

Why would you need to stop playing the AH with the other toons?

[Shania]

Can you show me, where I have stated I should not play Ah on my "other toons" ?

[Owltoid]

Good point, so if that is the case, should I not use my boxing accounts for the AH ?

Here.

[Klesh]

As long as their policies didn't change, you can camp the AH as long as you want, control as many markets as you want.
I've been in full control of my servers gem market (alliance and horde side) for several years, set the prices as low as I wanted (started this cause of stupid high gem prices and the market being controlled by some tools who thought its fun to rip others off like that).

I got reported a ton, for botting, for being a gold seller, for controlling the market, for multi-boxing, for making fun of my competition, and so on. I've talked to several GMs, all of them said its totally fine what I'm doing, they'd wish they had the time and dedication to make that kind of gold too (I had 10million at the end of cata without even trying, cause I kept the prices very very low).

[Tin]

the AH is where the real PvP war are :)

[Ronburgundy]

Yah if u camp them like the zerg used to :p.

[Shania]

Thanks alot Klesh, I feel better, alot better for a few reasons, firstly I do same thing, I camp the AH, I decide what gem prices will be, so I feel, I also play both side Horde and Ally, I enjoy it, Ive played AH for yrs as well, and never had a suspension because of camping, relisting and so on for countless hrs until the suspension I just got, which was lifted.

And it did hurt my feelings which I did explain in my ticket which I sent another after my suspension was lifted and wanted to understand why it happened.

I sent in a long ticket and semi idle in game unsure what to do, camp AH, list, post, relist, don't do it, do it, will I be suspended again, will allmy accounts be suspended etc, might sound stupid but it did run through my mind, since I never expected the suspension I got, or thought I could get one to begin with.

So my comfort game zone to me was shook up and game i love and enjoy felt uncomfortable for a while in what do to, or not do and why etc.

Amd while semi idle a GM window opened up, and I spoke to a really genuinely nice, caring GM who said he is also a multiboxer of x5 accounts in pve. lol was truely really nice to come across.

he explained of course he cannot name players and so forth but said suspension occured because I was reported as a bot and whoever actions it, mistaken me for a bot, he also explained not all GM's are educated in what a multi-boxer is, and they are doing their best about it etc.

And we chatted for a while before he had other business too attend too I guess.

Anyway I feel better and now person who I love to punish in undercutting has logged on, I guess I will do what I like to do, undercut, play mind games that come with the AH, and more so since idiot began the war with stupid under cuts thinking it would send me away too only find himself not selling anything much and for a good 100-130g+ less then he was prior :P

So all is well and life in wow continues :)

I love Mists, it's great, throne of thunder raid is amazing, off I go to play the game I still love after all these yrs even more so since MOP!!

[smalltanker]

Yeah we did used to shut down the 2-3 stormwind AHs at the same time for up to 7 hours a day, and that wasn't at night time... good times.

[Klesh]

Glad to see you got it all sorted. I was worried once in a while too, so I opened random tickets just to make sure am not getting banned x5. Before I quit I never had a temp suspension at all though.

And most AH competitors sooner or later noticed I'm a rather nice guy you can get along with quite easily. Even buried the hatchet with the very reason I started camping the horde side AH. :)

[Shania]

Thank You, Klesh :)

major relief, I care about my accounts, Ive had them for yrs, especially my main account since Vanilla. I'd never do anything against blizzards rules on purpose or take a risk, in getting accounts banned etc on purpose.

Ah is fun to dominate,but I have always played Ah for months at a time, then I move deeper into raids, or achieve whoring or whatever, and then I creep back into Ah, rinse and repeat.... so when the suspension occured, it really was upsetting to me.

Never Mind, its all sorted and best part I guess in end about it was the GM was really great and another boxer and he sad he put a note on my accounts that I am a boxer. :)

he really was a great GM, pitty isnt more like him.
Not for obvious he sorted issue, that too of course, but the convo we had and how he understood in how suspension affected me, he said he read that in the ticket himself and was why he picked mine up and was hoping to catch me in game, which he did.

Spoke briefly about how said it is for pvp boxers with the /follow in BGS gone, he said he read about that as well on dual-boxing as well lol.

[Klesh]

Indeed, I had a lot of nice conversation with GMs too, pretty much all of them knew about multiboxing.

The level of hate you receive for keeping the prices at reasonable levels is shocking though. I could tell you stories.......

[Shania]

Indeed, I had a lot of nice conversation with GMs too, pretty much all of them knew about multiboxing.

The level of hate you receive for keeping the prices at reasonable levels is shocking though. I could tell you stories.......

Oh yes I know.

And then when you reduce prices and keep them low and still keep doing same as your competion, undercutting, all of a sudden sookie faces come on, and your now a bot, because they want to get rid of you at any cost so they can have the AH back thinking it just belongs to them. /lol

I knock things down pretty low then buy them out on another account and sell them for higher on opposite faction. :)

Were you using broadcast and listing x5 at once. if you used isboxer ?

Its just all good fun, I enjoy it until after a while or semi long while I get bored and get stuck into achieves, and other areas of game, then back too AH.

Yeah GM said alot of them back in the day were boxers themselves.

Just newer GM's are ones unawares of what boxing is.

[Klesh]

Were you using broadcast and listing x5 at once. if you used isboxer ? Used Keyclone to box, and nothing but some addon to check if I got undercut.

Some send their guildleaders and/or guildmates to harrass me, some spammed /trade for weeks saying I'm a bot and ppl should report me (one of them later on admitted he got a suspension cause others reported him for spamming/harrassing).
When I started, some were like "who wants to get between me and my goldcapped toon?". Made me laugh big time, had 2.8mil before I really camped the AH... ;)

[Shania]

ahahahha Klesh, that made me laugh and reminded me of wow what seems like forever ago, when I used too run the glyph market and own it literally. All 5 accounts up at same time posting, gyphs split into certain classes per toon, so I could list them very fast and have zillions of same kinds in my bags - and people in /2 did same thing, don't buy off the bots, there is 5 of them, they never go away or offline, which was amusing, I often would go idle, but they gave up trying too relist, so they never really knew if I was there or not, most of the time, and I never spoke for weeks and weeks and weeks, all psts, in game mails and at one point, some cheeky bugger sent me, gee I dont remember, lol was my whole mail box full of forgot what is was, think blacksmith hammers or something like that LOL.

One day I spoke in /2 and said something like, its been weeks and weeks and your still rambling crap about me. And /2 went silent what seemed like 10 minutes, it was always like same 3 people or so whinging in /2 about me, other glyphers, well were glyphers :P

And I made millions when they changed glyphs to be permanetly learnt, ahh fun times.

I prefer JC, market, and scrolls on enchants, buckles, flasks, tho I do glyphs too, just not as serious about it.

lol @ guy who got a suspension for spamming, that is pure Gold !!

Its funny cause people who have known me literally for yrs, seem to know I am going too attack Ah on gems again, before I do, they are like, here she goes, checking gem market out, hanging around AH too much, wont be long before she is back into it heheeh, and yep, it is true, I can't stay away for too long, but I am sure when I do leave markets alone, people think, thank god he/she is gone... and thats usually when I have destroyed it completely or when gems are coming too an end of xpac LOL :P

[tatanka7th]

Its funny cause people who have known me literally for yrs, seem to know I am going too attack Ah on gems again, before I do, they are like, here she goes, checking gem market out

Well, diamonds >are< a girl's best friend :)

Tat

[Shania]

Well, diamonds >are< a girl's best friend :)

Tat


Indeed they are :)

All is well, making tonnes of gold still, blizz will be happy again with me, moving 8+ toons in a few weeks to another realm and all my gold. Amount of real money I have spent on realm xfers, faction changes, guild xfers, name changes etc, i probably could have put down another deposit for a house lolol.

What can I do eh... just love the game, still annoyed slightly about that suspension, but that is life and time too hook all my boxers back up with my main and annoy more people on a diff realm by playing AH Muwahahahaha :P