Very short enhance PvP clip [Archive]

Ualaa

01-13-2013, 01:30 PM

It doesn't seem like they have a lot of burst, compared to previous seasons with a DK or Feral type team.
Like the Ferals, the damage seemed to be one target at a time.
That said, you certainly didn't have issues in killing anyone, so there was enough DPS to get the job done.

From arena threads, during Ascendance you should be able to kill almost anything given sufficient/equal gearing.
That's a nice bonus for the team.

I absolutely love the utility of all those totems.
Tremor on round-robin, in particular sticks out as a tremendous strength of a Shaman team.
The Windwalk totem would help to stay on target, that a lot of other melee teams would like to have.

It looked like you didn't have a healer on the team, so being relatively self sufficient is nice too.

Good quality video.
Thanks for sharing it.

pinotnoir

01-13-2013, 02:00 PM

What server you on?

Owltoid

01-13-2013, 02:18 PM

Dalaran-US

It doesn't seem like they have a lot of burst, compared to previous seasons with a DK or Feral type team.
Like the Ferals, the damage seemed to be one target at a time.
That said, you certainly didn't have issues in killing anyone, so there was enough DPS to get the job done.

From arena threads, during Ascendance you should be able to kill almost anything given sufficient/equal gearing.
That's a nice bonus for the team.

I absolutely love the utility of all those totems.
Tremor on round-robin, in particular sticks out as a tremendous strength of a Shaman team.
The Windwalk totem would help to stay on target, that a lot of other melee teams would like to have.

It looked like you didn't have a healer on the team, so being relatively self sufficient is nice too.

Good quality video.
Thanks for sharing it.

Not much burst? That warrior was dead in one GCD. Their burst outside of ascendance is really good too with 4x Elemental Blast. I usually run with a pocket healer - in this video I had a great priest keeping me alive. With the current hybrid healing it's not even worth wasting maelstrom procs on heals, they hit for too little. Elemental Blast, on the other hand, can hit like a truck.

pinotnoir

01-13-2013, 02:39 PM

Did you get your macros from the forums? I am about to start leveling my enhance team from 80. I have a 5 enhance lvl 85 team on KJ I use to play. Since everything changed I am starting from scratch. How did you make it show all your totems on the screen? You use videoFX?

Owltoid

01-13-2013, 02:51 PM

I'm still working on my UI, some parts I hate and some parts I love. To show the totems use TellMeWhen.

I don't think I use any of the macros on this forum. I don't know if it's Mosg's method (as I never really read what it was), but basically I have all abilities spamming at the same time, if I want them spammed. So I don't care if it's stormstrike, lava lash, whatever, when I'm mashing my DPS button those are going to be used as soon as possible. Then I have other buttons for using abilities only when I want to, such as elemental blast and searing totem. Most of the totems I have on a rotation system and I don't know when they're being dropped. For example my grounding totem gets dropped every 7 seconds or so by a different toon, unless i hit the button that says all drop your grounding. Same with my capacitor. One gets dropped every 12 seconds or so. I'm starting to move away from the passive totem dropping, but I'm taking it slowly.

For maelstrom procs (the red lightning) I use weak auras, similar to Nox (though his things look better).

pinotnoir

01-13-2013, 02:57 PM

Here is my 5 man team when I was gearing them up in bg's long ago. Looks like I have to do some work to get my shamans going again.

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Owltoid

01-13-2013, 05:21 PM

Nice, pinotnoir. I'd say the Cata enhance looks similar to MOP with two very large exceptions, which I'm sure you already know: we now have a ridiculously powerful burst cooldown, and I don't think we have near the survivability that you displayed in the video. The heals just don't move the meter at the moment (hybrids getting healing buff in 5.2, though).

pinotnoir

01-13-2013, 05:53 PM

What should I do for dps macros? I looked at the compendium but it had what looked to be old macros for enhance.

Multibocks

01-13-2013, 07:52 PM

http://wowlazymacros.com/

go to the forums for enh and check their macro. it seems pretty good.

Toned

01-14-2013, 10:37 PM

When I don't play with a healer I just toss a chain heal macro into my rotation, with all 4 spec'd into echo for pretty big heals.
I hope the CL changes make it to 5.2 (Jumps do 100% dmg instead of reduce dmg per jump), then I'll prob include that in my pvp rotation for Maelstrom stacks.

I've been debating specing into Instant Cast Elemental Blast x4.... to try and land 2 insta gibs out of the gate. Wolves/Eles/Ascendance out of the gate on Target1, then switch to target 2 and get them down to like 60-70% and 4x Instant EB.

Noxdiebox

01-15-2013, 08:06 AM

The burst of enhancement shamans is great! I hope this will not be nerfed in 5.2 .

Owltoid i hope you make a longer video with your enhancement shamans :o

Owltoid

01-15-2013, 04:57 PM

Just lost my job so there is a good chance that a longer video will be coming soon!

Feehza

01-16-2013, 10:06 AM

Dalaran-US

Not much burst? That warrior was dead in one GCD. Their burst outside of ascendance is really good too with 4x Elemental Blast. I usually run with a pocket healer - in this video I had a great priest keeping me alive. With the current hybrid healing it's not even worth wasting maelstrom procs on heals, they hit for too little. Elemental Blast, on the other hand, can hit like a truck.

For a lot targets 4x Asc Stormstrike/autohits are enough. In arena iam not able to insta kill a warrior with blood fury + Trinket + 5x Asc + Stormstrike + Autohits at the beginning.
Anyway, enhance burst ist the best burst for multiboxers atm.

With no pockethealer i choose the talent echo of elements and heal with chainheal. so i can trigger 1 chainheal up to 12 hits instead of 4.

Owltoid

01-16-2013, 02:55 PM

Chain heal and heal are barely worth casting in PvP as an enhance, at the moment. 5.2 will make it better, but in my experience there is no comparison between a wet noodle heal and a burst of elemental blast. Over time, elemental blast kills just as many toons as ascendance does for me. Mage blinks? EB. Hunter shoots away? EB. Resto druid is in god-mode? Beat on him, cleanse, EB, dead.

heyaz

01-16-2013, 03:01 PM

For a lot targets 4x Asc Stormstrike/autohits are enough. In arena iam not able to insta kill a warrior with blood fury + Trinket + 5x Asc + Stormstrike + Autohits at the beginning.
Anyway, enhance burst ist the best burst for multiboxers atm.

With no pockethealer i choose the talent echo of elements and heal with chainheal. so i can trigger 1 chainheal up to 12 hits instead of 4.

I guess you have to get lucky with the crits, mastery procs, off hand attacks, etc. And a second GCD if there is time may be enough. I did a wargame with someone in my guild to test mitigation and my druid in bear form with might of ursoc and barkskin up (over 600k effective health) was killed in two GCDs.

We did find though that a geared DK in blood presence with AMS up cannot be killed in one GCD - they have about 430k HP, take 10% less damage, and half can be absorbed through AMS. It's over 700k damage that needs to be done. If they spec anti-magic zone, a kill definitely isn't happening.

Ellay

01-16-2013, 05:55 PM

*Takes down notes*... respec round robin Anti Magic Zone... check.

djensen2010

01-16-2013, 06:21 PM

*Takes down notes*... respec round robin Anti Magic Zone... check.
Prob with that is you lose lichborne...

inc fear bombs. But i have been thinking out of my 10 dks running two with AMZ and equiping them with pvp trinket and then the other 8 with lichbourne so i could pop that if im getting blown up

heyaz

01-16-2013, 06:28 PM

Prob with that is you lose lichborne...

inc fear bombs

Except enhancement shaman cannot fear, nor can their healer unless they're running with a disc priest which I doubt. In that case you have trinket and if unead, will of the forsaken.

Was talking more of an arena setting here, but even if you ran into a quad enhance team in a BG you could survive without lichborne although you may have to eat a fear at some point if they have a lot of priests/warriors.

djensen2010

01-16-2013, 07:08 PM

AH kk, well couple question on the arena enhance team setup.

How are you able to see the cd of the totems on all your toons? What addon?

Lilnipper

01-16-2013, 11:50 PM

Hi, Owltoid, Love the short Video. Here's hoping for a longer version. If anyone could answer how did you do show all your totems cooldowns? Is that something from isboxer, where you copy one screen and lay it on top of the other? Watching your shamans destroy people is making me want to get back to boxing. : )

Owltoid

01-17-2013, 08:21 AM

The totem cooldowns or the other toons is shown through TellMeWhen. Basically the addon just keeps track of when it saw the toon cast the totem and counts down from there depending on how long it thinks the cooldown is. I don't believe the cooldown is adjusted for abilities that would reduce the cooldown (eg talented totemic recall) but it works pretty well.

For the most part they're just there for show. Usually too much is going on for me to look down there. The things I focus on is the count of maelstrom proc and elemental blast cooldown. As soon as I see red lighting across the toons and EB is ready, I try to burst down a lower health target.

djensen2010

01-17-2013, 09:43 AM

Lilnipper

01-17-2013, 01:26 PM

Cool! I got weak auras and tellmewhen, Im learing to use them. Another question, what addons do you have for your target bars? it shows what debuffs are applied to the enemy's. love that!

djensen2010

01-17-2013, 02:00 PM

Cool! I got weak auras and tellmewhen, Im learing to use them. Another question, what addons do you have for your target bars? it shows what debuffs are applied to the enemy's. love that!

I believe that would be tidy plates

heyaz

01-17-2013, 05:47 PM

Yes tidy plates can be configured to show the debuffs which is very helpful.... although I have found the default style for the plates to not exactly be "tidy". You can configure them to look a little less ridiculous and still keep the debuffs.

Lilnipper

01-19-2013, 06:40 PM

cool, thank you. ill get on that! 3 boxing now! cut down to 3 cause I play with my wife, so that's 4 in a group, with one empty slot for any tag alongs from the guild. : ) ALSO, having the 2 seater ground mounts is SO NICE, both my slaves just jump in for the ride along. Here's to hoping blizzard makes a 2 seater flying mount!

Meathead

02-16-2013, 10:43 PM

So enhance is the new Ele I am thinking of coming back too play wow again and own in pvp by the looks of it, its melee all the way

Lyonheart

02-17-2013, 09:13 AM

So enhance is the new Ele I am thinking of coming back too play wow again and own in pvp by the looks of it, its melee all the way

Ele is the new Ele! After 5.2.. also.. keep an eye on Monks.. they getting MUCH LOVE!

Owltoid

02-17-2013, 10:50 AM

So enhance is the new Ele I am thinking of coming back too play wow again and own in pvp by the looks of it, its melee all the way

There are better videos than this one which show enhance PvP. Check out my IoC compilation or Nox or Krups videos.

Ele is getting some buffs, but in my opinion they are still not viable for PvP.

Melee is just so much easier to box because you can focus less on positioning and more in micromanagement of cooldowns or healing (for PvP). I'd say for PvE melee is more difficult as your toons will often be stacked.