Multi mouse question.

[Nejcha]

It's been a couple years. But I've gotten rehooked into this stuff (if any one remembers me). I'm back and playing hunters now. But... I've run into an issue. I'm still all hardware multiboxing using different computers and tossing my traps in heroics is becoming a pain in the ass. Is there something out there that will do just mice across multiple pc's for universal clicking? I don't like the dps loss. Any ideas would help.

[F9thRet]

I believe ISBoxer does this, But I'm not 100% on the across computers part.

as for just moving the mouse to other PC windows (MultiPC) Mouse without borders via Microsoft, Input Director, Possibly synergy. I think Stardock software has one also.

It is possible to do some of this via macro, using setscreen and then tying it to say Earthquake for example. I'll have to look it up again, in game, as I rarely use them anymore.

Stephen

[Ualaa]

If you want to go software boxing, either IS Boxer or HKN will let you mouse broadcast accurately.
And both will allow networking across several machines, if you want/need more than one PC.

Not sure on hardware options...
Possibly having multiple (identical) wireless mice, with each receiver on the same frequency.

[Nejcha]

Oh no not willing to go software boxing in the slightest. I feel going a little hybrid will be okay...just feels dirty still even after all these years. If I could strip all other functionality from it I might be willing to use ISboxer for mouse clicks if It can do it across all my computers. Screen set macros... looking into that. /hopesdashed Q_Q

[Nejcha]

Although the mice idea... A global mouse... hmmm.

[JohnGabriel]

If you don't want to use key broadcasting with IsBoxer then just don't setup any keys. It can certainly do what you want if its only to use the mouse.

Do you feel software boxing is borderline cheating or something? Not sure of why you're calling software boxing dirty and hardware boxing ok. If the process was hidden within a black box you wouldn't be able to tell between the two.

[Nejcha]

It's a personal preference thing. Will it still work fine over 4 computers? I'm not finding much abut a macro that can do this...I'm finding that a macro can't. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong area.

[F9thRet]

I know it won't work with a USB mouse, But could one splice a PS/2 mouse, and get the effect your after? Simply match each wire, to two (or more) PS/2 ends. With a USB, I believe it doesn't work, due to it picking up as a serial input or something. Sorry just woke up and brain is all foggy.

And dang it, I forgot to post that macro, I'll get on it tonight to see if that helps you at all. Also, Ualaa and John are correct, as far as the easiest means to do so. One way to look at at software boxing, is all it does, is remove windows ability to keep said key presses and mouse movements to one window. Doesn't effect WoW or other games at all. The only other thing I could think of would be some kind of KVM switch, but then your talking easily spending some big money.

Stephen

[Nejcha]

It has nothing to do with effect. It's feel for me. I just don't like it. I don't harbor some kinda seeded hate :P i like doing the hardware or even hybrid side because so far it's served me really well since healing on a priest/shaman/druid team in BC. I have all the equipment to do so, just like the feel as I said. I just have nothing with mice now, for ever my shamans didn't require to place anything. Or if they did it was part of a rotation. But I kinda stopped playing right after Cata came out. My hunters suffering the small dps drop from not being able to throw traps mid rotation bothers the hell out of me. I don't like doing less then perfect when it comes to multiboxing dps.

[Nejcha]

Running in to dead ends on the macro side. I can over all three of my mice mid window... if I could just get them to click.

[Ishar]

I remember seeing you around the forums, welcome back.

As a former hardware boxer [still sitting on probably 3-4 working computers and 800 dollars of vetra's and lord knows what other kind of hardware related to hardware boxing...] I dunno; I think you should take a gander at whats possible from a software perspective. Tho the big thing that decided me [way back when I made the initial switch] was a desire to be able to dynamically change my leader in PVP. There are a lot of things to recommend it, however. ISBoxer is just, worlds beyond what was possible and easy in Keyclone. Its quite sophisticated. I'm now exclsuively a SW boxer on one massive rig. [bonus: I get to dump all the money I used maintaining a racks worth of machines and semi-specialized hardware into one computer that is also a general-purpose machine; its a total beast and I like it. ]

ISBoxer will certainly handle what you want to do as Ualaa said.

From a hardware perspective, I never solved the mouse broadcasting thing to my satisfaction; though having 1 wireless reciever sync'd to a bunch of wireless mouse worked pretty well. Its important to get identical wireless mice though. Then its just a matter of syncing [tedius]. and one would occasionally randomly stop being synced. [might have been an artifact of cheap wireless mice.] Functionally you still have to sync the position of the cursor [e.g. move to a corner of the screen then back to where you want to approximately click.]

[Svpernova09]

Welcome back :_)

[Nejcha]

Hmm does IS boxer work over many computers I can't seem to find anything on there website that says that. It's all about single system. As far as switching goes I have huge screens my head moves :P Ya I've been taking some old mice apart and seeing if I could rig up a bunch to just click for me. I forgot how bad I was at the jury rig stuff. Thanks for the welcome back :)... I hope to be multibox raiding again shortly still in my pre raid gear farm mode... didn't get to come back until about two weeks ago when I finally started having days off from work again... 2 years of 1 day off a week if I was lucky was starting to kill me.

[Nejcha]

Also... Anyone know the legality of windows powershell?

[Ishar]

It does, as always there are some caveats; I've never personally configured it, but I'm sure someone has, the ISboxer/Inner space community is fairly helpful:
http://isboxer.com/index.php/guides/22-using-multiple-computers (http://isboxer.com/index.php/guides/22-using-multiple-computers)

There are also Vetra's that broadcast USB devices, including mice I believe; though they are fairly expensive.

http://www.vetra.com/wow.html

Regarding legality of Powershell, the important thing the 1 keypress 1 action thing, at least for WoW. So, it'd probably depend on what you did with it. I'm not really familiar with it, though.

[Nejcha]

The vetra looks a lot nicer then my home made monster... hmmm

Thanks for the helpful links.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I did this across 2-3 PCs in Octopus and now ISBoxer in multiple games. Basically, what I have/had set up is TAB key to turn on mouse broadcasting while pressed and turn off mouse broadcasting when released. Then when I have something I want to do with multi-toon clicks, I just hold down TAB and click away. Then when I release it, things go back to normal. Octopus and ISBoxer can both do this while not broadcasting any other keys so they should work fine with your setup.

The benefit to using ISBoxer/Octopus for mouse click broadcasting is that as long as all your game windows are set to the same aspect ratio, the clicks will be almost exactly accurate across all clients every time. With hardware mouse broadcasting, you have to "zero" the mouse to make sure the click is accurate.

[Ualaa]

Prepared has played his army, with IS Boxer across six machines.
Not sure on his exact setup, but he's had a few posts here and there (dual-boxing and isboxer.com) detailing his setup at some point.

As Ughmahedhurtz has said.. you could go with just the mouse broadcasting mapped key.
Take a look at the Repeater/Broadcast mapped key, generated by the wizard.
Separate that, so its only the mouse broadcasting, rather than keys too.
Create a two step mapped key, that executes on press or release.
Have the first step enable the broadcasting of the mouse.
And the second step disables the broadcasting.
When you push your key (Tab or whatever), broadcasting is on... and when you let go, it turns off.

I have numerous mapped keys... that work like this (for the mouse stuff).
I push the keybind, which might be Consecrate (without any mouse stuff on a Paladin), on say Keybind: 4.
But 4 also does a "Send Next Click action" for my Death Knights.
Meaning the mouse broadcasting is enabled for their windows, just by pressing 4...
KVM/Ignore local click, means whatever window I'm in, is not going to click on anything as I move my mouse around.
Once I make that click, the targeted AoEs go off, for any toons in the group (Action Target Group) that is set as the target of the "Send Next Click".
At which point, mouse broadcasting is disabled for those windows.
So... just push 4... move the mouse (and watch the mouse targeting circles move in the DKs regions), click and its done.

Mouse broadcasting across one PC is very accurate, and switches between regions is instant.
If you're playing across multiple PC's, you won't be able to switch which region is on a given monitor...
But, you can still do the broadcasting of keys or the mouse, or both.

IS Boxer has two broadcast modes, essentially.
One is Broadcast/Repeater, which is straight broadcast of keys and or the mouse.
Another is Keymaps, which are configured actions with triggers (often a hot key combination).
If both are on, Keymaps supercede broadcasting.
You can toggle them independently.
I have Repeater/Broadcast on, and Keymaps off, for entering my password.
I play the game with Keymaps on and Repeater off.
I turn off both, to chat with the guild.
I enable Repeater without disabling Keymaps, when I want everyone to click on a portal or to set their talents.
It is extremely flexible.

[Multibocks]

I believe ISBoxer does this, But I'm not 100% on the across computers part.

as for just moving the mouse to other PC windows (MultiPC) Mouse without borders via Microsoft, Input Director, Possibly synergy. I think Stardock software has one also.

It is possible to do some of this via macro, using setscreen and then tying it to say Earthquake for example. I'll have to look it up again, in game, as I rarely use them anymore.

Stephen

Dammit! I have tried Mouse without Borders and Synergy. Both work to a point. Mouse without Borders has really really shitty mouselook. I drive in WoW with my mouse and if I click both mouse buttons my main starts having a seizure and the window view flops all over the place. Synergy works until I start up WoW and then it doesn't leave the monitor of the WoW screen I first click on. I'm going to buy a KVM switch, any recommendations?

[MiRai]

Dammit! I have tried Mouse without Borders and Synergy. Both work to a point. Mouse without Borders has really really shitty mouselook. I drive in WoW with my mouse and if I click both mouse buttons my main starts having a seizure and the window view flops all over the place. Synergy works until I start up WoW and then it doesn't leave the monitor of the WoW screen I first click on. I'm going to buy a KVM switch, any recommendations?
I don't have any KVM hardware recommendations, but I can tell you that many people have reported Synergy having issues with Inner Space. Almost everyone that I know who have multiple computers, including myself, use Input Director.

[Multibocks]

Ok thanks, I'll give that a whirl. I did get Mouse without Borders to work, but anytime you try to broadcast mouse to all windows it freaks out. /sigh

[Multibocks]

Ok Input Director is awesome! However it seems that when I move to slave computer that my keymaps turn off (I see the message) and my main starts running off. Any ideas?

[MiRai]

Ok Input Director is awesome! However it seems that when I move to slave computer that my keymaps turn off (I see the message) and my main starts running off. Any ideas?
I don't actually multibox across multiple computers, but seeing as the original post in this thread had nothing to do with ISBoxer or run-offs, I would suggest starting a new thread for better exposure.