Zarhym wow Community Manager hates us on a personal level!

[ebony]

He starts thats its not supported blah blah blah then after a few posts goes on at a personal level off how much he hates us! very sad to see this is just more blood for the players to hate us even more when they see stuff like this.


http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/6934955486?page=8#157


And to be perfectly honest with you, I agree with that statement on a personal level. We certainly didn't design the game with the idea that some people should control multiple characters at once. I also absolutely understand and sympathize with those who express frustration about encountering multi-boxers in the game, particularly in PvP situations.

That said, there's no cognitive dissonance in my head between my personal views on multi-boxing, and our official stance with regard to the Terms of Use. Regardless of whether or not I enjoy seeing a multi-boxer in an MMO, I understand why multi-boxing isn't innately considered to be cheating. Just the same, regardless of whether or not I enjoy seeing a character whose actions don't appear to be controlled by a person, I understand why botting is considered to be cheating.

[JohnGabriel]

If they ever decide to make boxing against the rules I will just quit completely.

I only play WoW to box. I don't feel like a cheater.

[Igg]

Same.
If it weren't for multiboxing, my wife and I would not be playing this game. Multiboxing allow us to not have to put up with the less than desirable elements in this game. Dinner or TV time? No prob, just go afk in the middle of the dungeon!

[Multibocks]

WTF why do they comment on this shit? Jesus just ignore it!

[JohnGabriel]

Same.
If it weren't for multiboxing, my wife and I would not be playing this game. Multiboxing allow us to not have to put up with the less than desirable elements in this game. Dinner or TV time? No prob, just go afk in the middle of the dungeon!

Two thumbs up!!
My slaves never complain that I take too long deciding on loot.
My slaves never complain if I need a soda or bio break.
My slaves never rage and call me retard if I wipe.

[Ualaa]

Two thumbs up!!
My slaves never complain that I take too long deciding on loot.
My slaves never complain if I need a soda or bio break.
My slaves never rage and call me retard if I wipe.

The Spacegirls tend to fight over any loot they can use; if a piece is given to a different Spacegirl, they accuse me of favoritism...

[Khatovar]

Zarhym doesn't have to like it. He's misguided to think it in any way goes against the spirit of the game ... {WTF is that anyway? Is sitting in a city for 8 hours trolling trade chat in the "spirit of the game"? What an intangible, garbage concept that is. I happen to think being a douchebag is against the spirit of the game, but never seen people banned just because I think they suck. ;) } ... but at least he goes on to say "I may not personally like it, but I understand why it's not against the rules."

I think the biggest problem is he doesn't delineate very well at all between boxing and botting. Perhaps he should read the big old thread of Blues on Boxing, but I'm getting the feeling that he's probably going to be schooled by his various co-workers that DO multibox, at least privately, heh.

[Toonarmy]

Khat,

Ironically I got whacked with the ban hammer for the very first time, in damn near 5 years of boxing, just this morning. I can assure you I have done nothing differently now than I have been doing in the past.

Strange timing.

Toon army.

[Ronburgundy]

Khat,

Ironically I got whacked with the ban hammer for the very first time, in damn near 5 years of boxing, just this morning. I can assure you I have done nothing differently now than I have been doing in the past.

Strange timing.

Toon army.

Could you give further details on the conditions of your ban, maybe even a screen shot of the email im sure you recieved? Ide like to see what blizz said about this.

[Toonarmy]

RB,

Please see attached. Since I don't play the AH or transfer massive amounts of gold around I figure that the "Reason for Closure: Terms of Use Violation -- Exploitative Activity: Abuse of the Economy" is just the pre-fabbed excuse that was most convenient. Since I work (way too much according to my wife) I didn't have a chance to call before customer service went home for the night at 18h00 PST. Needless to say I'll be following up tomorrow at lunch. It'll be interesting to see what they say.

Toonarmy

[remanz]

oh definitely fight for it. Abuse of Economy sounds B.S. There is NO bloody economy in WOW because the gold has no real value. Not like I can buy starbucks coffee with wow gold. And blizzard has been inflating its own in game gold for years to combat gold selling.

[Toonarmy]

Here is a stripped version of the actual email [NTD: all emails and links used valid syntax, I changed the syntax though to comply with forum rules about posting email address/links]:


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***Notice of Account Closure***

Account Name: [1 of 5 accounts that got clobbered with the ban hammer]

Reason for Closure: Terms of Use Violation -- Exploitative Activity: Abuse of the Economy

This account was closed because one or more characters were identified exchanging, or contributing to the exchange of, in-game property (items or gold) for "real-world" currency. This exchange process negatively impacts the World of Warcraft game environment by detracting from the value of the in-game economy.

Even if this is the result of account sharing, the account owner can still be held responsible for the penalty because of the impact it had on the game environment.

We've found the above behavior is many times directly related to groups responsible for compromising World of Warcraft accounts; we take these issues very seriously. To better understand our position against exploitative activity and the risks involved, please review this article: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/services/anti-gold/

The exploitative activity that took place on this account violates the World of Warcraft Terms of Use. We ask you take a moment to review these terms at http://us.blizzard.com/company/legal/index.html. Note that additional Terms of Use violations may result in more severe actions against this account, up to and including permanent closure.

If you believe your account was compromised, please go to the following website https://us.battle.net/account/support/account-recovery.html. Our support staff will assist you as soon as possible. If you are unable to access your account due to the password being changed, please visit our Login Support site here: https://us.battle.net/account/support/password-reset.html

For any disputes of this action or further information on exploitive activity, please visit the Account Administration Overview and contact page here: http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/300515

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[Khatovar]

This was going to be an edit, but I got typing happy -

You can prevent URLs from auto-linking by selecting "Go Advanced" when creating a post. Under "Additional Options," uncheck "Automatically parse links in text". You can also disable smilies in a post by doing the same thing, but checking "Disable smilies in text" so things like SW:D stay as Shadow Word : DEATH and not Shadow Word : HAPPY FACE...though they should totally make a glyph for that so you can make people die like The Joker.

[MiRai]

We're obviously going way off track in this thread because it's not about being wrongfully banned, it's about Zarhym posting about multiboxing in World of Warcraft; but when posting images don't use this forum's built-in image hosting, use an external site. No one can see those small images after this site re-sizes them.

Also, I doubt Blizzard would just choose "any ol' option" when banning an account -- They have extensive logs of almost everything that happens in their game. You wouldn't be the first person that was accidentally or wrongfully banned in the history of the game and you won't be the last.

[Toonarmy]

We're obviously going way off track in this thread because it's not about being wrongfully banned, it's about Zarhym posting about multiboxing in World of Warcraft; but when posting images don't use this forum's built-in image hosting, use an external site. No one can see those small images after this site re-sizes them.

Also, I doubt Blizzard would just choose "any ol' option" when banning an account -- They have extensive logs of almost everything that happens in their game. You wouldn't be the first person that was accidentally or wrongfully banned in the history of the game and you won't be the last.

Ok. Thanks Mirai. Will do re: image hosting.

I agree with you re: accidental/wrongful banning. I'm just saying the timing was strange, if not a little ironic. You gotta see the humour in the timing. No?

Toonarmy.

[MiRai]

Ok. Thanks Mirai. Will do re: image hosting.

I agree with you re: accidental/wrongful banning. I'm just saying the timing was strange, if not a little ironic. You gotta see the humour in the timing. No?

Toonarmy.
No, you're right. I do see the humor. ;)

[Starbuck_Jones]

I always found it amusing when I ran into snot and drool inducing hate by other players when I used to 5 box back in BC and Wrath. I will never understand how people can get so 'piss on the carpet' mad about it. Cheaters who get caught sleeping with their spouses best friend don't even get as upset as these people do. And thousands of people do it and don't even realize that having their friends healer on follow behind them are breaking the rules when we are not.

I hope Zarhym gets called out on it at work. There is no reason for a Blizzard employee to stir the pot and call any segment of their customer base a bunch of cheaters when their official stance on the issue is clear, but his personal feelings are the opposite.

[Lyonheart]

Although I enjoy PvP from time to time, and i get that evil/good feeling of "Owning people", I can completely understand why someone would get angry when they come across a multiboxer that kills them, especially in world PvP where they can be less prepared for it. In BGs we have a better argument for the whole idea of "why you trying to kill a multiboxer solo.. bring friends". In BGs we do not outnumber their team so they have no legit complaint.

I do agree that a Bliz employee should never take an open stance/statement that, as someone already said, "stirs the pot". There can be no good come out of it, only negative. Hes trying to sympathize with those gamers who feel the same way. Isnt he the one that said " multiboxing is permittited "for now" or some such?

[Khatovar]

I do agree that a Bliz employee should never take an open stance/statement that, as someone already said, "stirs the pot". There can be no good come out of it, only negative. Hes trying to sympathize with those gamers who feel the same way. Isnt he the one that said " multiboxing is permittited "for now" or some such?

Yup, good catch.

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/30179-Blizzard-tolerates-us-for-now

Of course, the post is no longer there, but Archive.org saves the day again

http://web.archive.org/web/20100525103045/http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25026572810&pageNo=6&sid=1

Post 111


111. Re: Blizzard supports Multi-Boxing gameplay? 05/21/2010 04:13:02 PM PDT
Zarhym
Blizzard Poster

There's no support for multi-boxing on our end. We tolerate it. For now.

Vrakthris later "clarified"

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/26344-multiboxing/

[Multibocks]

Man its all over the front page of MMO-Champion now. Thanks Zarhym.

[Apatheist]

A while ago I was banned for "exploiting the economy" after a GM helped me transfer my guilds bank between servers. I logged in on my recently transfered character on the new server, opened the guild bank to check all the gold was there, logged out and when I tried to log in on a different character my account was already banned.

It's Blizzards default reason for banning someone and it's usually done by their automated detection system with no human verification that the ban is justified. That's the annoying part. When you call, ask them about reimbursing you for the subscription time they've wasted and see how far that gets you :D

As for this new community manager, I don't think he'll last long if this is how he does business. Stating that he doesn't like a portion of the community he's employed to "manage" is pretty stupid.

[zenga]

As for this new community manager, I don't think he'll last long if this is how he does business. Stating that he doesn't like a portion of the community he's employed to "manage" is pretty stupid.

He said he agrees on a personal level with the statement that it breaks the spirit of the game, and that he understands the frustration people have when encountering a boxer in pvp. I don't think that there is much more to it. Moreover, it's pretty common sense what he says.

[MiRai]

As for this new community manager, I don't think he'll last long if this is how he does business. Stating that he doesn't like a portion of the community he's employed to "manage" is pretty stupid.
Zarhym has been a CM on the forums since 2008.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Zarhym

[Apatheist]

He said he agrees on a personal level with the statement that it breaks the spirit of the game, and that he understands the frustration people have when encountering a boxer in pvp. I don't think that there is much more to it. Moreover, it's pretty common sense what he says.

The "spirit" of a game isn't something that can be dictated. Different people enjoy different things. What he's really saying is that he doesn't like it so he doesn't think it should be allowed, but he doesn't have the authority to ban it so he's forced to be tolerant.

It's also nonsense when he talks about separating his personal views from his interaction with the community as a Blizzard employee. It's impossible to separate your beliefs from your actions. If he believes multiboxing is "wrong", his actions will reflect that, even if it's only in subtle ways - like tacitly endorsing the anti-boxer whinging on their forums.


Zarhym has been a CM on the forums since 2008.

http://www.wowpedia.org/Zarhym

Ah, I thought I read in the first post that he was new. I wouldn't know, I don't read the WoW forums. I'm surprised they allow their employees to make statements like that. Can't even see where I would have got new from now. Maybe I misread "wow community manager" as "new community manager".

Edit fail.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Corporate folks in an official capacity (e.g. posting with your "blue" account) MUST present a consistent policy. Personal opinions, where they differ from the stated policy, are better placed on a personal blog. I suspect we'll see a "clarification" soon.

[tanknspanker]

So many difficult words...
Need.. to.. focus!

[EaTCarbS]

Why anyone takes anything seriously on the WoW forums is beyond me.

[flux1]

Corporate folks in an official capacity (e.g. posting with your "blue" account) MUST present a consistent policy. Personal opinions, where they differ from the stated policy, are better placed on a personal blog. I suspect we'll see a "clarification" soon.

I feel the same way. I doubt his position would be in any trouble with him being there 4+ years now. However openly going against company policy, on official company forums, generally isn't a good idea.

If they were to decide boxers aren't welcome anymore, I wouldn't care. I'd give my personal guild bank to a friend and go play other MMOs, or catch up on my huge single player game backlog.

[kate]

This isn't openly going against corporate policy, unless that policy forbids expressions of opinions. It's also not the guy saying he hates boxers, just that he thinks it isn't in keeping with his idea of what the spirit of the game is. So much desire for drama over such a non-issue.

[Lyonheart]

This isn't openly going against corporate policy, unless that policy forbids expressions of opinions. It's also not the guy saying he hates boxers, just that he thinks it isn't in keeping with his idea of what the spirit of the game is. So much desire for drama over such a non-issue.


The reason it is an issue for us is we already experience a lot of hate. His "thoughts" on the matter will be interpreted by those said haters..and maybe a lot of people who are on the fence about it, to hate more. They will think hes "on their side" even if thats not his intentions. This falls under that popular bit of wisdom " with great power comes great responsibility! " He has the attention of the WoW community and has fanned the flames of hatred, maybe without knowing it.

[kate]

The reason it is an issue for us is we already experience a lot of hate. His "thoughts" on the matter will be interpreted by those said haters..and maybe a lot of people who are on the fence about it, to hate more. They will think hes "on their side" even if thats not his intentions. This falls under that popular bit of wisdom " with great power comes great responsibility! " He has the attention of the WoW community and has fanned the flames of hatred, maybe without knowing it.

Being called names in a video game is not "hate" - it's a trivial annoyance that you can deal with by reporting (if it's worthy) and ignoring. Caring what the WoW "community" thinks is, to me, a ridiculous notion. I've had people see that I'm streaming and intentionally seek me out in-game to try and grief me, and all that has happened is I either go run dungeons instead (and ignore their whispers when they switch to the same faction) or find new and fun ways to get them killed if I'm in the mood for that. They're just a non-issue.

However, getting worked up about it and worried about "oh noes, what will happen if they come at us with pitchforks and torches" and that kind of crap is *exactly* what the people who dislike boxers want to happen. They want people to get worried or to get upset, or whatever. Why give them that when they are literally irrelevant?

Boxing will not be banned until and unless Blizzard has real reason to believe that changing their policy will get them more money. Period. Whiners on a forum or a CM saying he doesn't like it will not change that, and so people getting upset here about it serves no purpose but to give the drooling morons with nothing better to do a chance to clutch themselves in glee that they got a rise out of you.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I suppose this isn't really all that out of the norm (lol Tseric) but to reiterate the fine point here, posting an opinion via official corporate communications channels that contradicts corporate policy when you are one of the communicators of corporate policy is never a good idea; that's why personal blogs exist. In this particular case, he(she?) went to significant lengths to make that distinction but many of us are suggesting this was NOT the best place for that regardless of all the qualifiers.

Kate, you could have left it at "personal opinion," which is true (and he even said his personal beliefs differ from corporate policy). Generically patronizing us with that "getting worked up about it/oh noes/pitchforks" UMADBRO type hyperbole undermines your entire point as you are committing just as great an offense as you are decrying. There are times when illustrating absurdity by being absurd works but I would suggest this isn't one of those times.

I think this thread only serves to reinforce the original point. ;)

[MiRai]

(lol Tseric)
Tseric was my hero. I sure do miss that guy.

[valkry]

Tseric was my hero. I sure do miss that guy.
Likewise, I especially loved his exit, that was style

[Lax]

Nothing new to see here.

Someone whines about multiboxing.
Someone in blue responds with opinion.
Rules still same. Still other blues with other opinions, still other people at Blizzard multiboxing...

I don't see Zarhym's post the same way as Ebony saw it. He said he is sympathetic when someone complains about multiboxing, especially in PVP. Then he goes on to say that despite that sympathy, he understands why multiboxing is not considered cheating, while botting is. I don't see anything wrong with this...


If the time comes that Blizzard seriously considers a rule change on this, they will probably get me on the horn. This doesn't affect just WoW either, remember that multiboxing is tolerated in Diablo 3 as well. And I spoke to them before anything Diablo 3 related showed up here.

So.. if they were going to be changing anything... they would probably want to provide advance notice to many people who might otherwise be banned as collateral damage. (There's a lot more people with more than one WoW account than there are dual-boxing.com members, after all...) They have absolutely no interest in immediately doing a 180 and banning all multiboxers; it would not improve their game, their public image, their money, nothing. Multiboxers wouldn't just go away, so they would have to have continuous enforcement, meaning they have to pay someone or multiple someones, just to figure out which people with multiple accounts they need to ban.

That's both a very time-consuming and losing battle, and as I've said before, they have more important battles to fight such as those dealing with theft and fraud, and on actual bots instead of on people who are doing their best to stay within the rules with their multiple accounts.


Also, at the same time as we see commentary like this one, there's other stories...

Mohal on isboxer.com is pretty paranoid that multiboxers are getting the shaft and put in a petition about what he sees as a situation where he's paying out money to Blizzard, while Blizzard is purposefully and methodically harming his game experience (as a multiboxer).: http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=11793#p11793

Thank you for contacting us and I am sorry that it has taken a little while to respond to you.
I do not believe we have any problems with players that multibox at all we also go as far as to educate players who contact us to complain about them. If any functions have changed with any function that hinders the gameplay for our multibox community then I can only apologise and know that the changes made will have been for a reason to stop exploitative bots that maybe able to get round our system.
I know this is not an ideal situation and hope that we can make some more changes soon to enable you to continue to enjoy multiboxing to its full potential but at this time there is very little I can do.
Again I reiterate that we welcome multiboxers and educate the player base to accept them also , and we will do everything we can to make your experience a great one.

[zenga]

Nothing new to see here.


If the time comes that Blizzard seriously considers a rule change on this, they will probably get me on the horn. This doesn't affect just WoW either, remember that multiboxing is tolerated in Diablo 3 as well. And I spoke to them before anything Diablo 3 related showed up here.

So.. if they were going to be changing anything... they would probably want to provide advance notice to many people who might otherwise be banned as collateral damage. (There's a lot more people with more than one WoW account than there are dual-boxing.com members, after all...) They have absolutely no interest in immediately doing a 180 and banning all multiboxers; it would not improve their game, their public image, their money, nothing. Multiboxers wouldn't just go away, so they would have to have continuous enforcement, meaning they have to pay someone or multiple someones, just to figure out which people with multiple accounts they need to ban.

I don't see them ever banning multiboxing. And I do think there is a distinction between:
- pve multiboxing
- pvp multiboxing
- people with a 2nd account open for e.g. AH related stuff

The only way multiboxing affects other peoples gameplay is in pvp. If they ever were to change their stance towards multiboxers in pvp I can see them rather do things like disable /follow in random battlegrounds than banning it altogether.

[kate]

I suppose this isn't really all that out of the norm (lol Tseric) but to reiterate the fine point here, posting an opinion via official corporate communications channels that contradicts corporate policy when you are one of the communicators of corporate policy is never a good idea; that's why personal blogs exist. In this particular case, he(she?) went to significant lengths to make that distinction but many of us are suggesting this was NOT the best place for that regardless of all the qualifiers.

Kate, you could have left it at "personal opinion," which is true (and he even said his personal beliefs differ from corporate policy). Generically patronizing us with that "getting worked up about it/oh noes/pitchforks" UMADBRO type hyperbole undermines your entire point as you are committing just as great an offense as you are decrying. There are times when illustrating absurdity by being absurd works but I would suggest this isn't one of those times.

I think this thread only serves to reinforce the original point. ;)

I think I am just going to stick to the mechanics of boxing rather than any of the surrounding "politics" - no good will come of my participation in any of these types of discussions.

[Sam DeathWalker]

I avoid a lot of problems by waiting for people to attack me first and not attacking them if they dont. In the open world, Im on a pvp server.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I think I am just going to stick to the mechanics of boxing rather than any of the surrounding "politics" - no good will come of my participation in any of these types of discussions.

If only Zarhym would have adopted that stance in the first place... ;)

[Shania]

Well that was an interesting read.
Didnt see it anywhere on MMO though.

maybe blizz will create some new realms, for boxers only :P /sarcasm

[Khatovar]

Well that was an interesting read.
Didnt see it anywhere on MMO though.

maybe blizz will create some new realms, for boxers only :P /sarcasm

News posts have been coming fast, it's already been bumped to page two

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2978-Patch-5-1-Audio-Vengeance-Clarification-Patch-5-0-5-Hotfixes-Blue-Posts-Fan-Art

[ebony]

I don't see them ever banning multiboxing. And I do think there is a distinction between:
- pve multiboxing
- pvp multiboxing
- people with a 2nd account open for e.g. AH related stuff

The only way multiboxing affects other peoples gameplay is in pvp. If they ever were to change their stance towards multiboxers in pvp I can see them rather do things like disable /follow in random battlegrounds than banning it altogether.

They said something a few times about random PvP ques that the old BG queing system is old and random. i don't think they take follow off in bg's in fact don't even think they can. its not even a server tool its a client tool. unless they do something funky with the way the follow reads the chars names in bg's and then it just f***k up all target based Addons (can not see it going down like that)

All they do is Remake the queing system so Pemade groups vs Pemade groups only. and more checks to stop loads off playing up for the same bg at the same time to join in the same group. They said they wonted to check ilevels in bg's as well. To be fair if a system does come out like this (i think it will) ill be Quiting (a bit like how they removed no-xp players from randoms)

all the games i played as a non boxer av never seen boxers unless i get a lot off av-ioc

[sethlan]

The best way to ignore haters in game is to agree, IF they tell you, you suck bro! or reported or cheating or whatever, just replay, yep. and do not talk to them. That only open a conversation (which goes nowhere, and you just wasting your time), If you ignore someone that's fine, you can always use ignore button. I'm not even reporting people for calling me names, which is very rare in game- I get a lot of whispers, hows its done, what do i use for boxing, and they want me to add them, more than hate- IF, if blizzard does anything to stop us, (which i don't think it's going to happen) they gonna lose my 10 subs to WoW from me right away, Seriously i'm not even reading wall of text from blizzard- or someone that just posted what they think about multiboxers, because nobody knows what's going to happen next.

IF they hate us multiboxers in BG's: What about if people that make premade and go VS non-premade - (non multiboxing) you get camped to death right? lets say in WSG, GY. Either you afk or just stay and deal with it because you want that extra honor. BUT if you Q up as 10 people (multiboxing) for wsg and camp them at their GY, than its called cheating. and you get wall of text on blizz forum. WHY is multiboxing allowed- This is almost same thing as 2 or 4 people camp towns in outland to gank lowbies- where multiboxer zoom in and wipe them all out.

You know who's hurting BGs in WoW? BOT's.

[Ronburgundy]

The best way to ignore haters in game is to agree, IF they tell you...

No the best way is to engage them in verbal combat and then post it on www.ragewhispers.com (http://ragewhispers.com) :D

[valkry]

No the best way is to engage them in verbal combat and then post it on www.ragewhispers.com (http://ragewhispers.com) :D

Agreed

[sethlan]

Agreed

hahaha

[Baltyre]

I use badboy level addon and they need a level 60 char to wisp me.
http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/badboy_levels
And they get this message : "BadBoy_Levels: You need to be level %d to whisper me."

I still keep logs for fun, but i think it's more exaspering for them to know they can't talk to you.
At the same time, i always keep one of my toon on the opposite side and i only show the chat zone (with videofx), so i can talk to someone horde if i want to.

[d0z3rr]

No the best way is to engage them in verbal combat and then post it on www.ragewhispers.com (http://ragewhispers.com) :D

Bahahaaha!!

[Ualaa]

I use badboy level addon and they need a level 60 char to wisp me.
http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/badboy_levels
And they get this message : "BadBoy_Levels: You need to be level %d to whisper me."

I still keep logs for fun, but i think it's more exaspering for them to know they can't talk to you.
At the same time, i always keep one of my toon on the opposite side and i only show the chat zone (with videofx), so i can talk to someone horde if i want to.

If you set it to something like level four...
They might actually level a toon, further wasting their time...