Rets and healing

[Multibocks]

So I was on my 4 rets and I was noticing that the 30% healing from the glyph (30% of damage) isn't happening. Does it only proc for spells like Templars verdict? Also is selfless healer any good for PvE vs Sacred Shield?

[Ualaa]

The battle healer glyph requires your paladin to be using Seal of Insight.

The heal will never go to the paladin that triggers it; as in, if your team only had the one paladin, it would never get healed by the glyph.
But if you had four paladins on the team, each could be healed by the other three.

As far as I know, just dealing damage will passively cause the heals.

[HPAVC]

Like Ualaa says, you need the Insight Seal active and then all your melee attacks including autoattacks will give a heal of 30% of your damage to damaged party members.

Seal
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=20165

Glyph: Using melee attacks while using Seal of Insight heals a nearby injured friendly target, excluding the Paladin, within 30 yards for 30% of damage dealt.
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=20165

[Multibocks]

Ah ok I see. Does anyone have any observations on battle healer vs Sacred Shield? Trying to figure out whats best for a 4 ret 1 prot war group.

[Khatovar]

Battle Healer or Selfless Healer? Personalty, I'm a fan of Sacred Shield, only because I like to be as hands off as possible and I can simply macro SS into my priority without consequence. Selfless Healer was just a total whore when I tried to macro it because FoL has a cast time, which means it was resetting my swing timer anytime it tried to cast without the full stack. It also wasn't canceling the cast reliably if it wasn't instant, which was killing my mana.

Of course, if you don't mind managing your heals then you might have better luck with SH. But if you're looking for more passive stuff, I'd highly recommend SS and then look to 90 for a slew of Holy Prisms to keep you up.

And finally, here's your grain of salt since I run with a lot of passive healing and a full time healer, so I might not have a frickin' clue ;)

[Ualaa]

I'd vote Sacred Shield too.
Alt + Right click, on any grid frame.
That target has 5x Sacred Shield on them, which stack.

Instant cast, decent absorb.
Six second re-use, so cannot instantly switch if they switch targets on you.
But still, you can reapply it fairly quickly.

It doesn't cost any resources, no mana nor holy power.
Just has the cooldown.

[Apatheist]

Selfless Healer provides significantly more healing than Sacred Shield if you have multiple Rets.

[Shodokan]

I'd vote Sacred Shield too.
Alt + Right click, on any grid frame.
That target has 5x Sacred Shield on them, which stack.

Instant cast, decent absorb.
Six second re-use, so cannot instantly switch if they switch targets on you.
But still, you can reapply it fairly quickly.

It doesn't cost any resources, no mana nor holy power.
Just has the cooldown.

They stack but can't all trigger simultaneously.

[Owltoid]

They stack but can't all trigger simultaneously.

What do you mean by that? I have all 4 shields active at the same time

[Mokoi]

you dont have to choose between sacred shield and battle healer. one is a talent and one is a glyph. they are both amazing. take them.

[Multibocks]

Sorry I meant Selfless Healer. I'm finding that Battle Healer and Sacred Shield are not good enough to keep 4 rets alive in a dungeon. My tank lives just fine, but there is just too much AoE to keep them up. I'm going to either switch one to holy or add a monk healer (which I love).

[Apatheist]

It's not really worth using Battle Healer in PvE. Truth is a huge portion of your damage. The extra healing will be offset by the fact that it will take you 25%+ longer to kill everything.

I'd bet using Truth on 3 Rets and your tank would equal more DPS than 4 Rets and a tank using Insight. More so if you find yourself using holy power on WoG's without a dedicated healer.

[Lyonheart]

It's not really worth using Battle Healer in PvE. Truth is a huge portion of your damage. The extra healing will be offset by the fact that it will take you 25%+ longer to kill everything.

I'd bet using Truth on 3 Rets and your tank would equal more DPS than 4 Rets and a tank using Insight. More so if you find yourself using holy power on WoG's without a dedicated healer.


BH seems to be the only way to keep my team alive at 45ish lol..they feel a lot weaker than the last time i leveled a team of palies..last expansion ( at this level ) im running tank..holy and 3 rets atm ( RaF with BoA gear ) The tank is doing twice the DPS with any seal up lol

[daanji]

The best wat to level paladins is to got all Prot and one holy. The DPs is better and you never die. Once you get to level 70, this changes and you should go back to ret.

[remanz]

I use BH in level 90 heroics for some bosses with AOE stuff. I found it useful. Selfless healer is not that great. I can't watch for the proc and stop DPS to heal brings more damage intake. in PVP, selfless healer takes way too long to build up. BM hunter would've killed me twice already by the time I can instant flash of light. So I just stick with sacred shield for now.

[Starbuck_Jones]

Sacred shield should always be up. It lasts for 30 seconds and if you have even a single item of haste, it will last for even longer like 35 seconds. That's how long it's lasting on my Prot paladin. I imagine this will get hotfixed because the refresh gets shorter to so it's double dipping on haste. Using IS and a top down priority macro at level 90, You still run into spots when every attack ability is on cooldown so I keep SS on the bottom of the list and it has a good 80-90% uptime. Prior to the level 90 spell, it had a 100% uptime with no impact on dps.

Battle healer is pretty damn neat. Seal of insight heals you and battle healer is like insight for everyone else. It heals like mad and when you combine it with Vengeance as prot it gets really retarded. Sacred Shield also scales with vengeance and starts absorbing 25k every 5 seconds or more.

Loosing seal of Truth does hurt some dps, but Truth isn't 25% of your dps. And if it takes a bit longer to kill something just remember. If it dies, you're doing it right.

You might also want to round robin up your Hand of Protection, Devotion Aura, and Lay on Hands. An unused cool down is a wasted cool down.

I also took Holy Prism over execution sentence. To me, having 25,000 damage and 16,000 heal every 20 seconds was better than 51,000 damage once a minute.

[Ualaa]

You can recast Sacred Shield, every 6 seconds.
It lasts for 30...

The limit is more on how quickly you can move it from one recipient to another, than on ever having it run out.

[Lyonheart]

The best wat to level paladins is to got all Prot and one holy. The DPs is better and you never die. Once you get to level 70, this changes and you should go back to ret.

So i got to 70 and switched some back to ret.. they still suck compared to prot though. my 70 prot spec is doing 1500 dps and the rets only do 8-900ish. Only thing that changed at 70 was seal of justice. Was that why you thought it got better?

[Ualaa]

Will four Prot spec each do 1500dps, or is that dependent on being hit?

Which is better?:
1x Holy & 4x Prot
1x Holy & 1x Prot & 3x Ret

[daanji]

So i got to 70 and switched some back to ret.. they still suck compared to prot though. my 70 prot spec is doing 1500 dps and the rets only do 8-900ish. Only thing that changed at 70 was seal of justice. Was that why you thought it got better?

Nah, my memory is fuzzy, plus I leveled my 5x paladins a few months before MoP hit so things could have changed.

[Lyonheart]

Will four Prot spec each do 1500dps, or is that dependent on being hit?

Which is better?:
1x Holy & 4x Prot
1x Holy & 1x Prot & 3x Ret

they did 2k each on the bosses in UK at 71 as prot.. the one being hit ( the lead toon and MT ) was doing about 150-200 more dps

Also i wanted to add that i had most my plate and strength two handers deleted when i was away from the game for awhile and had them in my guild banks mail..forgot to take them out /cry..so these palies are in a mix of str and agility gear lol ( BoA ) Also.. i read someone say that BoA exp bonuses do not stack with RaF.. this is wrong.. it does. I found out the hard way when my healer kept falling behind in exp and i realized i had not given him head or cloak BoAs yet.

[Ualaa]

Sorry about the lost items...

It is good to hear that Prot spec is not that dependent upon Vengeance from being hit.

I leveled my Paladins as Holy, through the mid 70's.
They played the same as any other ranged team.

#show Holy Shock
/castsequence Denounce, Denounce
/cast Holy Shock

RAF level grants got them the last few levels... since there was no corresponding toon of appropriate level to RAF with.

[Lyonheart]

Prot seems kind of high..or my other toons are low lol.. my main team of paly tank and 4 shaman.. my paly does almost the same dps.. around 22k average. The shaman do way more burst though ( 50-60k )