should i or should i not

[CD82]

so im on my first 5 man team pally 3 shammys and a priest as healer.
i tried deadmines an didnt turn out as well as i thought it would.

maybe i was making to big of pulls im not sure but i would pull.
get the fight goin hit grid to heal and wouldnt have time to cast.
the heal off and id wind up dien

pally is spec as prot right now shammys are ele and priest is disc.
should i level a bit more before i start runing instances or what.

ive got my hotkeys 1-0 only use to 5 right now.
should i set up certin rotations or do ret untill certin level?

maybe do some macros for everyone

im trying to get a bunch of 85s before july 27th thats when my raf runs out.
my current team is all 15th level
im wanting a sortment of 85s to run instances alone
this just happens to be my very first 5 man team

im kind of looking for some different strategies here

[Khatovar]

Your current team being only level 15 means they are likely lacking various abilities that they will need. CC to limit pull sizes, pre-casting heals, bubbles, hots, burst, etc. Not to mention things like gear and talents. If your tank can't survive the hits until a heal goes off, going ret probably won't help.

You said this is your first 5man team, you can probably expect to spend a lot of time wiping repeatedly as you learn the mechanics of fights and how to make your team work for you. Tanking, healing and DPS is a lot to manage while learning how to multibox that many toons and learn what's happening in the fight and watch what's going on and react to it all. It's just going to take time and practice.

But if you're in a race to make as much out of RAF as you can, I wouldn't get too hung up on it. Learning is a constant process, RAF is limited.

[CD82]

so should i continue leveling and at what level should i start running instances?

[Alge]

You'll find that getting just to 16 or 17 will make Deadmines much easier. Your main problem at the moment, as Khatovar said, is that you are lacking some of the tools a successful group relies on. I've leveled 7 groups through there and I still have trouble at 15 with some groups. But a level or two at that level makes up for the lack of tools.

With a priest healer at low levels you'll mostly just Power Word: Shield and Renew. You can do both of those pre-pull if you like until you get the timing down better.

[Sin Saint]

I like to drive with the healer in a team like yours. I use Vuhdu to heal while I spam dps macros on everybody else. I use a seperate keybind to add in the healers dps macro when I want. These are some macro ideas for a couple of your classes...

Priest Macros

#showtooltip
/castsequence [@yourtanksname] reset=combat Power Word: Shield, Renew

(As a disc priest you can spec into atonement and spam this as your dps macro)
#showtooltip
/startattack
/castsequence reset=5 Holy Fire,Smite,Smite,Smite
/use 13


Prot Pally- for threat be sure to use righteous fury, avenger's shield, consecration

#showtooltip
/startattack
/castsequence reset=5 avenger's shield,judgement,crusader ctrike,crusader strike,crusader strike,crusader strike
/cast Avenger's Shield
/use 13


Shaman- Change the macro to use the totem to your choice for each shaman. Change it to call of the elements when you can. I'm no expert but it looks like simply spamming lightning bolt is the best you're going to do for a while.

#showtooltip
/startattack
/castsequence reset=combat/8 flametongue totem,Lightning Bolt,Lightning Bolt,,Lightning Bolt,Lightning Bolt,Lightning Bolt,Lightning Bolt,Lightning Bolt,Lightning Bolt,Lightning Bolt,Lightning Bolt,Lightning Bolt,Lightning Bolt
/use 13

[CD82]

So I guess by drvin the team use the priest as.
The main Toon I control with just set and heal.

And I'm guessing I can make macros on the.
Priest for the tank to do his thing?

[Sin Saint]

I'm just saying thts how I do it. You may prefer to drive with the tank.

To drive with the healer I turn click to move on for all the melee in the group. I setup an interact with target keybind for the melee. When I spam my dps keys with my interact key the Tank runs in grabs aggro, the casters stand and burn em down. I use the Power Word: Shield, Renew macro at the start of the fight. Then I switch to the dps macro on the priest too mana permitting. For example you could put the above dps macros on the same keybind for each character, 1 for example. Then spam 1 and interact to attack your target. Hit your interact key first if you want to send the tank in first.

[CD82]

Well.I was drving with the tank and its been fail.
So ill try with the priest next and see how it goes.
I'll try that when I get home from work.

I've got Target ineract key set up for accepting quests.

[JackBurton]

ive got my hotkeys 1-0 only use to 5 right now.
should i set up certin rotations or do ret untill certin level?


you shouldnt bind keys that make you stretch your fingers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZLPzCuejWQ&feature=related

[CD82]

wow well went out to redrige an did some questing and sending the pally.
and the shammys into do dps an me standing back as healer is easier.
i jsut hit the action hotkeys not bad

now in dungeons ill want the casters to stay still an the tank to move up.
this will work better i think than trying to drive with the tank an heal also with the healer

[JohnGabriel]

Are you in heirlooms? I am guessing not as they make you overpowered enough to just run through dungeons your level.

[Ualaa]

You can drive the tank or the healer.
Or for that matter any DPS.

Once you have Grid/Grid Custom Layouts/Clique (or Vuhdo, or Healbot) configured... any toon can be driven and you will heal as easily as driving the Healer.

The tank is nice to drive, when you need to move the boss.
Or pick up adds.
Or change the direction the boss is facing.

Another toon is nice, when you want to get an overview or what is happening...
Rather than being in the mobs face and not seeing as much of the overall picture.





During RAF...

I would personally boost, and get a lot of teams leveled...
Rather than worry about dungeons at level...

[CD82]

john no im not in heirlooms never been able to get them lol

[wakasm]

During RAF...

I would personally boost, and get a lot of teams leveled...
Rather than worry about dungeons at level...

This is the greatest advice you can get. If you find you are doing anything that is slowing your leveling to 81 down, then you may want to revisit that after you level and run out of Raf. The more you can level up, the better.

If you can boost - great.
If you quest better - great.

But keep leveling as many toons as you can, and maybe every 10-20 levels try out an instance for fun.

I found certain teams were much easier to box earlier dungeons with. I remember having a particulaly hard time with boxing 5 druids and trying to do dungeons the traditional tank, 3 dps, and healer. I eventually went 5 ferals and leveled so fast.

I found 80% of the challenge was learning how to multibox and less the mechanics (until 85, where it was a combination of it all).

I personally drive with the tank. That's just me.

[CD82]

well im hoping to have atleast one or two of eatch class 85.
5 dks for some pvp etc..
i want to be able when i can an this is done with to go and farm.
for mounts and stuff
current team i got right now is 16 and 17th level
since using the priest to drive ive done abit better.
thats just questing though ive not tried another dungeon tongiht prob wont
i might try an boost some tomorrow an see how that works out
im really looking forward to some warlocks and mages also
i might tinker around with 5 druids also
ive concidered going to a server with other boxers.
but the server im on now has 3 of my mains an they got gold heh

[Ualaa]

Down the road, you can do a lot of combinations.
You can try a few different teams and tinker with the composition.

You said (in a private message), that you have an 85 on A and B.
And are RAF linked:
A > C > E
B > D

Just use A, to boost as many combinations as you can stand doing, on BCDE.

I'd level four of the same class, just for simplicity.
And aim for either boosting four sets with A, or eight sets with A...
Depending on how much you can stand the boosting process and the amount of time you have.

More is better, because it opens additional options.
I had to level 5x Druids, 5x Paladins, 4x Warlocks + 1x Priest... without RAF.
Because I didn't think I would want to play 5x of those classes...
I stopped leveling teams with 5 weeks left on my RAF...
Could easily have had them through RAF in that time.

Even if you don't use a composition now (or even ever)...
You can use them for tradeskills, or a change of pace for fun, or to test a mechanic.
It doesn't hurt to have them.

I say 4/8 sets, because you have two hops in the longer RAF chain.
And 2^2 = 4.

If you boost four toons on BCDE, with A.

D & E has 4x Boosted Toons.
B & C have 4x Boosted toons + 2x Granted Toons.
A gets 2x Granted Toons (from C) and because C got two granted toons, they can give one more.

So:
A x3
B x6
C x6
D x4
E x4

Or:
A x6
B x12
C x12
D x8
E x8
(You can only have ten characters on an account... so would likely want to transfer some from B/C to A/D/E...)





If you want to go to a server with boxers.
It's as easy as transferring your main (on A), along with some starter gold for bags and such.

You're on the new server with the one character...
And you boost away...

You could also do some toons on one server...
And then some others on another server.
Just transfer when you're ready to start on the other server.

[CD82]

im thinking about doing 4 druids boosting them with my dk an seeing how long it will take.
to get them from 1-85 then take one of the druids and transfer it somewhere else.
then trying out some warlocks and mages i think and hunters

i try an play right about 4 to 6 hours at night and then quite alot on the weekends.
beeing on call for work 24/7 does suck tonight lost lot of time had to go anser fire alarm calls heh!

im thinking the druids will level fast there are alot of things i want to do heh
make tons of gold is one of them lol but getting this down is another and having.
plenty of toons maxed level to do what i want when i can heh

[Ualaa]

The 1st to 80th (RAF) leveling speed, is a function of your efficiency with the booster (DK).
Druids, Hunters, Mages, Warlocks... doesn't matter what class is being boosted, they need the same amount of experience to level.
And will be /following (and then parked somewhere), while the DK kills...

The 80 to 85 process will vary quite a bit by class.
The higher the DPS of the group, in general the easier it will be to level the class.
Druids (any spec) have an edge over other classes, because of gathering ground-spawn items while still in flight-form... without having to clear mobs nearby.





Tradeskills take about as long, either way.

Approach A -- level the tradeskill, while you're leveling your characters.
Approach B -- go back to the zones, with a faster (flying) mount and level the trade with a max level character.

I'd tend to go with Approach B, especially during RAF.
Because if you add 10 hours (I'm just picking a number here) to your leveling time...
That's a fixed amount of time, which is taken away from your RAF.

[CD82]

yeah i need to do something ive lost almost a week of it already and im only level 16.
thats getting isboxer set up plus issues with healing stuff an all that.

[Ualaa]

Your first team takes a while.
You are learning your configuration.
And you're learning to boost.

The second team will be a lot faster.

And after that, third and onwards is where you will have everything down.
Which means fast leveling...
At this point, you can do a team in a weekend if you play Fri evening and all day Sat/Sun.
Or spread the teams out over a week or whatever.

[CD82]

im not sure if i should continue with the pally shammy team with the priest.
or start over with 5 druids or 4 an do some boosting with account a my dk

[Ualaa]

I'd suggest boost.
Doesn't matter what the composition is, as long as you have a high level on account A, who is boosting the others.

Boost a lot of combinations, during your RAF.

If you want to take the time to level a 5x group, without boosting, that's your prerogative; they're your accounts.
Just be sure to boost a lot of combinations, during the RAF period, so you have plenty of choices once RAF is over.