new pc build multibox gamer

[CD82]

well im building a new pc and i can afford the i5 2500k sandy bridge cpu.
i want to someday 5 box a team of wow toons
should and would this cpu run 5 copies of wow ok?

ill have 16 gigs of ram 6950 ati toxic card 2 gigs
one ocz agility 3 120gig sd one 80 gig intel ssd which i have in my current system.
western digital 1tb for music photos and other games.
one samsung 27 inch led monitor
will be using the asus sabertooh z77 mb

so would this system have any issues running a 5 toon team?
also think i will be getting IS Boxer soon i like what i see about it.

do some of yall run off of one monitor with is boxer?

im looking to order in a day or so please anser as soon as possible

[Peli]

No issues at all. I'm running an i5 2500K (overclocked to 4.2GHz) with 16GB RAM and a 2GB 560ti and it's smooth as butter with 5 clients, Chrome, ISBoxer, and other odds and ends running.

[Apps]

No diss to anyone, just a question...

Why not wait and save the extra $100 and get the i7 2600K and OC it to 5.1GHz?

I mean to say, the OP has clearly got some money set aside and is ready to get serious. If it were me, and I had $1,300... for an "almost there" system, I'd go dig through the couches and from the car coin trays, to get an extra $100 to get the better processor.

I wouldn't know about the i5. I spent the extra $100. But the i3 is doable so long as you stay clear of major cities.

Id really hate for you to regret your decision a month from now, seeing other boxers with 5 accounts, high resolution, and buzzing around major cities or in big BGs with no issues, vs a glitch here and there.

[MiRai]

Why not wait and save the extra $100 and get the i7 2600K and OC it to 5.1GHz?
That's almost like telling people to drive their car around everywhere they go at a red line RPM. The voltage it takes to get to that frequency is not safe for the chip 24-7.

[Peli]

No diss to anyone, just a question...

Why not wait and save the extra $100 and get the i7 2600K and OC it to 5.1GHz?

I mean to say, the OP has clearly got some money set aside and is ready to get serious. If it were me, and I had $1,300... for an "almost there" system, I'd go dig through the couches and from the car coin trays, to get an extra $100 to get the better processor.

I wouldn't know about the i5. I spent the extra $100. But the i3 is doable so long as you stay clear of major cities.

Id really hate for you to regret your decision a month from now, seeing other boxers with 5 accounts, high resolution, and buzzing around major cities or in big BGs with no issues, vs a glitch here and there.

Mirai's favorite chart (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/62) is why I chose the i5. I'm not convinced that the 50% increase in cost of the processor would have been offset by an appreciable difference in performance. Especially after giving it a mild overclock.

[Apps]

I dunno about the analogy, but I'll concede, maybe not go for full OCing. To each their own.

I did check with the service manager about OCing the unlocked 2600K. His statement was that it was unlocked from the factory; provided maximum safe levels of v and heat are ok, and not to exceed. I read a lot before selecting a chip. In the end. Given the tech changes so fast, I don't want to regret a $300 purchase for any reason, when there is only $100 in the way. I.e. $220 now, regret, $320 later, is $220 more than I would've spent.



The voltage it takes to get to that frequency is not safe for the chip 24-7.


Granted I only get to play for a few hrs a day and seldom on Saturdays. I've not seen any heat issues from the chip yet.... yet. Its been 3 months. I'll let everyone know when (if) it dies. But I don't see that happening. I'm currently sitting at 1.31v. So long as Im under the 1.5v or 1.55v (OMG setting could be harmful)

Ref: http://www.overclock.net/t/910467/the-ultimate-sandy-bridge-oc-guide-p67a-ud7-performance-review

Besides, If this is my hobby, If I blow it, then I'll just go get another one and learn a lesson... but Im gonna have fun in the mean time :)

Anyway, as I said, I'll concede. My willingness to wreck a ferrari doesnt mean others should too.

[MiRai]

Mirai's favorite chart (http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/62) is why I chose the i5. I'm not convinced that the 50% increase in cost of the processor would have been offset by an appreciable difference in performance. Especially after giving it a mild overclock.
This little test (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/44505-Multiboxing-Hardware-Science!?p=336875#post336875) shows more while multiboxing comparing what you can expect from a 2500K vs a 2600K @ 4.6GHz. Granted it's while 10-boxing but, that just means you're allowed more head room for better video settings while 5-boxing.



Granted I only get to play for a few hrs a day and seldom on Saturdays. I've not seen any heat issues from the chip yet.... yet. Its been 3 months.
Which program are you using to monitor heat? Here are my temps @ 4.8GHz on aftermarket air cooling (not what I would call good temps for everyday use):

http://i.imgur.com/hKwfN.png


I'm currently sitting at 1.31v. So long as Im under the 1.5v or 1.55v (OMG setting could be harmful)
There is no way that you're running 5.1GHz at 1.31 volts. You can see in the pic below that while I'm under load at 4.4GHz I'm using 1.29v:

http://i.imgur.com/npMRn.png


That would mean that it takes you .02v more to reach the golden overclocking number of 5GHz -- No way. I had to pump 1.45v into my chip to get IBT to do a single pass @ 4.8GHz. I already know that I don't have a "cherry" chip but, my results aren't that bad. These are, for the most part, typical results:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AlkgY1TTQlT_dF9LQTZ2YUN0ZEtUalFKcE9Fc0ZHR 0E&w=100&h=375

Besides, If this is my hobby, If I blow it, then I'll just go get another one and learn a lesson... but Im gonna have fun in the mean time :)
And that's exactly why I made this post. I'm definitely not saying don't have fun with your hardware. If you can easily afford a replacement, live it up and do what you want! However, the way I read your initial post in this thread was that 5GHz is common on a voltage that most hardware people would consider 'safe' for every day use... when it isn't.

[Apps]

No problem.

I use OHM std. Temperature (last I remember checking, is set to auto shut down at 73. I could be of on the v a bit, as Im going off memory. I have seen systems operating at 5.5GHz with only 1.45v.

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=687645

Regardless, off topic now. Point was, its just $100 for the good one. Save a few more days, and get the better chip. If not, looks like Fens got experience to say the i5 will work.

[MiRai]

(last I remember checking, is set to auto shut down at 73.I would say 73 is perfectly fine. I like to see under 80 C when running IBT. Your CPU should automatically shut down at around 100 C unless you've disabled that in the BIOS.


I could be of on the v a bit, as Im going off memory. I have seen systems operating at 5.5GHz with only 1.45v.

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=687645
I don't see 5.5GHz in that thread, I only see him say 5GHz (also with no proof). He's apparently sold the machine as well according to his signature.


Regardless, off topic now.
At this point I don't even remember what the thread was about...

[CD82]

I think the I5 2500 k with 16 gigs will be ok for a 5 Toon tram.
Is the program Is boxer once you buy it
Is it locked to a system or hard drive.

I thought about getting it now and testing some things

[Apps]

... well. the 5.5 was a typo. My bad.








At this point I don't even remember what the thread was about...

So my attempt to be helpful didn't land... Bluntly: Get a 27" LED widescreen, a couple nice SSD drives, well enough RAM, and a really nice video card... also fairly nice motherboard, extra TB HDD... then cheap out for only $100 and get the crappy i5.


should and would this cpu run 5 copies of wow ok?

yes, it should "run 5 copies of wow".


so would this system have any issues running a 5 toon team?

Lesser systems can run 5 man team.


do some of yall run off of one monitor with is boxer?

I personally run 2. Some people run one or more than 2.


Edited part: Then again, I admit I dont know as much as others as I just got into OCing so... my opinion should be taken as just that.

[CD82]

For the 100$ price difference I don't see enough performance for the price.
With the i7 2600k I think I'll be happy with the i5 16 gigs of ram.
The asus sabertooth mb ATI toxic 6950 120 gig ssd and 80 gig SD.
Then a 1tb hdd I just want to run a 5 man team soon.
And to see if ill enjoy it If I can get the hang of it.

[Apps]

Now, all that said.

I think I want your board. The reviews for it are all 5 star, for high performance users.

I really liked reading this review of your board. http://dungeondogz.blogspot.com/2012/04/asus-sabertooth-z77-motherboard-review.html

[Bollwerk]

FWIW, I went from a 2500k to a 2600K and it made a BIG difference. (stock speeds on both)
But then again, I 5-box at 2560x1600.
Maybe it makes a bigger difference at higher resolutions.
With the 2500K, I was pegging all 4 cores and it would get choppy in Stormwind and 40 man BGs at times.
With the 2600K, I'm at about 50-60% on all 8 "cores" and it never gets choppy anywhere.
Was definitely worth the extra $100 for me.

Other relevant specs:
8GB RAM
Nvidia GTX 580
64GB SSD for WoW.

[CD82]

I play a whole lot after work and weekends.
Prob close to 6 hrs a night and mostball day sat an Sundays.
I may not. Run all 5 at that times.
Will the 2600k handle it?
Somewhere I seen its not good for the hyperthread

I'll be switching between 3 and 5 man teams.

I want to order tonight ill be home in an hour

[CD82]

i was told on some other forums to wait untill next week.
for the release of ivy bridge cpus

[candlebox]

you are going to be waiting longer for the price to come down. If i understand this nerd gibberish correctly.

[CD82]

i found out this info here and from what i can see prices are about the same as sandy bridge cpus.
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/26783-intel-slashes-22nm-ivy-bridge-desktop-prices-before-launch

[Ualaa]

I initially upgraded (current system) to an i5 2500K.
And overclocked that on air (Corsair A70) to 4.5 Ghz.

The system wasn't totally smooth, but was very playable even in large scale BG's.
This is with a lot of addons, playing on a pair of 27" (720x1080 resolution) monitors, Firefox with 10-15 tabs open, iTunes playing, etc..

Once I started to stream, using XSplit Player...
I noticeably had choppiness in 40-man Battlegrounds.

Upgrading to an i7 2600K (no other changes to the system)...
With Xsplit going, at stock speed the i7 was smoother than the overclocked i5 2500K was without XSplit.
Everything else what the same.
Using the exact same settings, the i7 is stable at 4.5 Ghz too.
1.34 volts, if it matters.
I used this as a guide for the OC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMZoWOpry40

For a hundred bucks extra, the i7 is a lot stronger than the i5.
The i5 likely will work fine, but the i7 will give you room to stream or run additional accounts down the road, or to play more computer challenging games down the road.
Also, every expansion... the requirements do go up; you won't be as smooth with any system in MoP as that same system is in Cata.

[CD82]

i found an i7 on newegg with a promo code for right around 300$.
which i think is a good deal concidering some other promos i found today.
case/powersupply 850w for 300 and my ram is under 100 16 gigs.

so i think ill go this route and make my order

[Bollwerk]

Hyperthreading used to be useless (or worse) for gaming, but that is no longer the case with current Intel CPUs. It now helps quite a bit if you have enough threads to push it, like boxing.

Just make sure you're getting an i7 with a 4 digit number (2600K for example), not a 3 digit number (960 for example).
The 4 digits ones are new, while the 3 digit ones are older and much slower.

[CD82]

Yah well i got the cpu mb new caset etc..
the case came damaged none of the front usb work they are bent.
the motherboard has a loose pci express slot and the cpu fan port is bad.

so im getting a refund on them
i put the cpu in my mb i got now along with the 16 gigs of ram
but i will still be building another system