2 hand vs Dual Wield

[Oatboat]

I had another DK ragging me pretty hard this weekend for using 2 hand frost for pvp - I've always thought that 2 handers were the way to go for pvp..... Now that i actually have the gear to back it up that is. His dps was higher on Balinda, he had 23k and i had around 17-19 on toons.

I dont know... anyone else running dual wield or am i crazy?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/kelthuzad/Alove/simple

One of my dks - all 4 of them pretty much have the same gear.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/kelthuzad/Palem/simple

Paladin - Healer

Let me know if you see something that i could fix. All in all its been a good time. Especially in Tol Barad.... I have a blast in there.

[Peli]

In terms of burst/DPS, Frost is just about equal between 2H and DW. What you choose to use is basically flavor. Personally, I'd go the same route given the fact that one 2Her is significantly cheaper than two 1Hers. That's valuable Honor that you can spend on other equipment.

[Apps]

Its been so long since Ive run DK's both solo and as a team, but I do recall there being a difference. I.e. 2H with specific rune on a particular stance, vs dual wield with two different runes or enchants, for a different stance.

Not only that, but its no secret that unless as a boxer you have your keypresses done just exactly perfect, a GOOD solo player can out dps one of your team members. Did you happen to ask this "ragger" if he would share his rotations or was the conversation just a QQ fest?

Remember the guys name?

Got a link for him? If I were you, id start by comparing his gear to one of your characters. Perhaps theres a clue there, before you go and start rethinking your setup. Besides, arent you also healing with your healer?

[Oatboat]

Yes, I'm not saying he rattled me and my playstyle he just got me thinking. I dont want to just be okay, i'd rather play them the best i can and if switching to 1 hand helps that much i'd save up for some weps.

Cant remember his name or server - one of those cross realm players that i just randomly encountered. Just seeing if anyone had experience with it. I've played DKS solo and you're right you wont get the max dps from multiboxing.

[Shodokan]

I'm currently getting 1h weapons for my dks, i should have my y2 ones in 2 weeks if you can wait that long for an answer.

[Oatboat]

Well i could get the season 10 1 handers in a bout a day if i really wanted them. I just dont see how they could be that much of an improvement to worry about.

[EaTCarbS]

I switched from a 2h to dual wield, and the dual wield just feels more powerful to me. Its probably a preference thing more than anything.

[Ualaa]

From what I've read, a big 2-Hander will be bigger numbers on Obliterate and more anti-healing on Necrotic Strikes.
But the dual-wielding is more overall damage (higher DPS), at the cost of reduced burst.

You can put Razorice and Fallen Crusader on your weapons, instead of just Fallen Crusader.

[valle2000]

And as a blood DK dual-wield has higher chance of spawning blood worms since you hit more often, right?

[EaTCarbS]

And as a blood DK dual-wield has higher chance of spawning blood worms since you hit more often, right?
Blood DK should NEVER dual-wield. Ever.

[zenga]

From what I've read, a big 2-Hander will be bigger numbers on Obliterate and more anti-healing on Necrotic Strikes.


As a DW you don't use obliterate, meaning that your rotation is limited to necrotic strike & howling blast, and dumping runic power with frost strikes. It means that you can get up more necrotic strikes while dual wielding since obliterate consumes both a frost and an unholy rune. The height of your necrotic strike (i.e. the healing absorb you put on your opponent equals 70% of your attack power). There is - depending on your weapons obviously - little difference between dw & 1H total attack power you get. It's all about the amount of necrotic strikes you can do, where dw clearly wins it from 1H.

From a single player perspective: I started with the 397 1h this season, and in 2s I had problems with killing priests. Switched to dual wielding, and they are no longer an issue. In 3s I prefer the 2H however, as I feel it's much more pressure overall.

But much depends on the pve weapon & trinkets you can obtain. If you have apparatus you definitely want to dual wield, if you have the deathwing weapon you obviously want to 1h.

[Ualaa]

I'm not talking PvE at all here.

I two rotations.

The first is:
- Howling Blast
- Frost Strike
- Necrotic Strike
- Death Coil

The DC can be toggled on and off.
I know Frost Strike is a lot more damage, for a Frost DK (who has prioritized Mastery)... but Death Coil can hit a target out of melee.



The second sequence is:
- Obliterate
- Frost Strike

When its a single target (usually the other sides Captain/General), and they're in melee range...
Obliterate seems to down them faster.
Against players, its almost always the Howling Blast sequence... unless its Obliterate with Hungering Cold.

I do have several dual-wield and Obliterate related talents/glyphs.

[zenga]

Uhm ... don't think anyone was talking pve since the use of necrotic strike ...
long story short: both dw & 1H are good, go with what you find most fun cq what weapons you have. 1 think for sure, if you go DW don't use obliterate and spec out of those talents.

[Silence]

Frost = DW
Unholy = 2H
Blood = 2H

Frost 2H is not really viable unless your gear predicts it. If you got equal iLVL weapons then DW is a must, in case of an insane 2H (gurthulak comes to mind) then it might be preferable until you can pick up your 2 1-handers of equal level.

[dancook]

Not that I've been playing for months but I like to mix it up ;)

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/magtheridon/Subone/simple (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/magtheridon/Subone/simple)
Ruthless Gladiator 2h

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/magtheridon/Subtwo/simple
Pit Lords Destroyer 2h

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/magtheridon/Subthree/simple
Souldrinker + Ruthless Slicer DW

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/magtheridon/Subfour/simple
Gurthalak - 2H

[Shodokan]

For 3's you want 2h, for 5's or rbgs you want dual wield.