Cannot figure out how to get follow and assist to work in inner space / ISboxer...

[Malgor]

I followed the guide by by Darkmod here (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46483-GUIDE-Follow-Assist-SWTOR-for-Dummies), and couldn't make anything work at all.

I watched the videos by mosq2 here (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46398-Mosg-s-Multiboxing-TOR-Manifesto), and was even more confused.

It's been a couple years since I worked in innerspace / ISBoxer to get all my wow accounts set up and they still all work to this day.

Part of my problem is it appears that both Darkmod and mosq2 have clean copies of ISBoxer (I didn't see any other WOW or other game modifications in their walkthroughs), and I have my three teams of five 85s from WOW still.

Is it possible to run a second copy, a clean copy of innerspace/ISBoxer and not lose my old settings? Is this what's fouling me up or is it just that I don't get it?

I'm going to try again now to set it up following Darmod's isBoxer Follow / Assist SWTOR for NOOBIES, but I spent nearly 4 hours on it last night.

I may come back here begging for help again, since I really want to just two box two sentinels!

Thanks for listening!

Mal

[laguy442]

Malgor, yes you can have a clean copy of ISBoxer. I am assuming you have a saved copy of your existing WOW configuration. (Just to make sure I would do a "save as" of your current setup and put it somewhere that you will be able to find it). Then you can go under the file menu and hit the top option which is clear. This resets ISBoxer back to the original state. Now you have a clean slate to start your new configuration. I am currently using the setup by Darkmod and it works great for me. But either one will work. Just follow his instructions and you should be running in no time.

If you ever want to go back to the WOW version just save your existing SWTOR setup, and reload the old saved WOW set. Of course I know you know to export to Inner Space after you load a new setup.

Good hunting.

[Malgor]

Thanks!

I thought it was possible.

I am using Darkmod's now, but I cannot get anything to work unless I have Broadcasting on. I don't want broadcasting on if I can help it. If I have broadcasting off my second character does nothing, just my first character. I finally got my set up to look exactly like Darkmod's one and all the keys function correctly if I am broadcasting, but not if I am not. I have the configuration set to all w/o current, but only my current window selects anything unless I'm broadcasting. Perhaps that's how it is supposed to work?

[OldRod_KS]

For follow, Mosg has some strange stuff, like jumping and all... he says that it has to be that way, but I got it working without that.

I just have the ~ key bound to my follow keymap and also am using ~ for the hotkey in ISBoxer. I have my keymap set up to send F2 to all others (I only have a 2-man setup), and then ~ and it works just fine

For assist, I have it send F2 to all others and then F6 to all others (F6 is my ingame 'target of my target' key)

This setup works just fine for my two man team.

[Malgor]

Mine is just a two man team also. Right now I'm getting used to Ctrl+1 for target party member 1 and Insert for follow, however it all only works with broadcasting on. Still will have to figure out why, but getting used to it right now.

[OldRod_KS]

There is a problem if you mix CTRL keys with non-CTRL keys I've seen. Same thing for ALT- and SHIFT-. That might be your issue, and it's why I went with ~ and F6

[MiRai]

As has been mentioned in numerous places already... in SW:ToR, keys with modifiers, require the HOLD option to be enabled for them to work correctly.

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/45831-HOWTO-Multibox-SWTOR-on-one-PC-with-ISBoxer!?p=349807&viewfull=1#post349807
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/45831-HOWTO-Multibox-SWTOR-on-one-PC-with-ISBoxer!?p=349810&viewfull=1#post349810
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/45831-HOWTO-Multibox-SWTOR-on-one-PC-with-ISBoxer!?p=352950&viewfull=1#post352950

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/45831-HOWTO-Multibox-SWTOR-on-one-PC-with-ISBoxer!?p=350055&viewfull=1#post350055

- Need to enable the hold option for mapped keys for the modifiers to work

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46370-GUIDE-Click-Healing-System-Using-Party-Frames (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46370-GUIDE-Click-Healing-System-Using-Party-Frames?highlight=enable+hold)

- Make sure to choose ON in the dropdown list for "Hold any Keystroke Actions while Hotkey is held" for this key, if you are using a modifier (Shift, Ctrl or Alt) for your ability ingame.

[Malgor]

As has been mentioned in numerous places already... in SW:ToR, keys with modifiers, require the HOLD option to be enabled for them to work correctly.

Thanks, I hadn't seen that before, but now they don't work at all after enabling the HOLD option. So will tweak it later when I have time.

[Malgor]

There is a problem if you mix CTRL keys with non-CTRL keys I've seen. Same thing for ALT- and SHIFT-. That might be your issue, and it's why I went with ~ and F6

I went also now with ~ and F6, but still cannot make these work without being in broadcasting mode.

[Riiker]

Malgor, can you post your setup and your in game keybinds... should be able to help then.

[Malgor]

Do you want graphics or just a description?

I started with a clean ISBoxer and saved my wow settings as a save as file.

Under Character sets I named my team just SWTOR since I will be using it for boxing just two characters at one time with only target leader, target of target and follow.

In-game Key Bindings: (I put some of these under Key 2 not Key 1 since I single box a healer with some friends and didn't want to change the main settings.

Target Party Member 1 = F6
Target Self = F7
Acquire Target's Target = `
Follow Target = Alt+F


Under Variable Keystrokes there were already Slot 1 and Slot 2 listed (which I believe is all I need to two box) and I added this:

Target Slot 1 Default Key Combination F6
Target Slot 2 Default Key Combination F6

Under SWTOR>Slots>1 variable keystrokes tab I have:
Target Slot 1 is now F7
Target Slot 2 is now F6
Under SWTOR>Slots>2 variable keystrokes tab I have:
Target Slot 1 is now F6
Target Slot 2 is now F7

Under Key Maps>Non-combat I added in two Mapped Keys:

Target Leader
Advanced
Steps
1: F6-> all other
The above step 1 I added the following actions:
Step
Actions
<Target Slot {SLOT}> -> all other
F6 -> all other

Target of Target
Advanced
Steps
1: 1 -> all
The above step 1 I added the following actions:
Step
Actions
<Target Slot {SLOT}> -> all other
`-> all other
1-> all

Those are the only things I changed. I do not have a hotkey for Target Leader or for Target of Target nor do I have "Hold any keystorke actions while hotkey is held" on. I've tried to have that on and it doesn't work at all then.

Currently everything works (kinda) if I turn on broadcasting. I say that because for follow, when I turn on broadcasting both characters turn and follow each other until I turn it off again and start moving. Then the lead character of course is followed by the second. I have to turn on broadcasting again after I select a target then hit ` and the corresponding key I want them to attack with. I keep broadcasting on throughout the fight though this leads to obvious ill desired effects when the second character runs off as I run the first character to a new mob as follow won't work with broadcasting on. So this of course, isn't ideal, but workable. I just started the team yesterday and got them to level 12 in a few hours.

All help is very appreciated.

Thanks,

Mal

EDIT: I do have the box checked that says "Make game believe it is the foreground window".

[Riiker]

If you could post the actual file, I could load it up and try it out. I can't see what's wrong right now based on what you have posted.

[Malgor]

I tried to send it to you in a private message, but it doesn't allow attachments.

I have the XML file posted at www.malgor.org/images/SWTORISBoxer1.xml but not as an image, as text. I could send it to you via email if you have an email contact (you can send it to me in a private message).

Thanks!

Mal

[Malgor]

Let me know if that works or you need something else.

[Riiker]

This should be fine. I'll download your profile right now and see if I can find anything.

*edit - Ok. Should work now for Assist Me, Follow Me, and your DPS mapped keys. You needed to set the variable keystrokes for <assist me> and <follow me>. Since you are using Alt+F for follow, I changed the Follow Me mapped key to "hold keystrokes" while hotkey is pressed.

I hope this works for you. Here is your file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dzvco2

[Malgor]

Thanks!

I just got home from work. I saw from my droid phone that you'd uploaded the file, but for some reason since the change in the website here, I cannot reply or post from my phone anymore.

I've just downloaded it and will check it out now.

Thanks!

[Malgor]

Sadly still not working. my slave does nothing with my key presses of F6 or F7 (target leader / target self) unless I have broadcasting on. Same with ` which is acquire target of target unless I have broadcasting on.

Do you have a working 2 box set up? I might try someone the set up of someone who has stuff working and just change the names of the characters and the key bindings.

It's working enough to play the way it is, but time consuming since it only really works for the initial attack where I force leap into the fray. After that I have to constant switch windows to get the two characters attacking the same target if it's not right in front of me.

Thanks for trying - it is really appreciated.

Malgor

[Riiker]

Here is my setup. You shouldn't need to use the Character Configuration Tool for the 2man setup, but you will for the 4man so here is a link with info on that if you end up upgrading to 4 boxing: http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/4...iguration-Tool (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46640-SWTOR-Character-Configuration-Tool)


I have both a 2man and 4man setup. I have included very detailed descriptions of my key maps using the "description" info boxes in ISBoxer so that should be able to hold you over until I can make a guide. My ingame keybinds are pretty much default with a few exceptions.

Follow = `
Target My Target = F6

Instead of changing your ingame keybinds to match mine, you can simply edit the variable keystrokes that I've setup to match your ingame keybinds.

Link to my setup:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/2mx3bk

Use the character set 2man.

[Malgor]

Thanks Riiker - I'm heading to work now and will test this when I get home. Much appreciated.

Malgor

[Riiker]

I hope it works! I can def help you with it if it doesn't.

[Malgor]

I loaded it tonight, but since I work 12+ hour shifts until Monday morning I won't get a lot of time to try and tweak it.

I was able to get my own window layout (2 monitors both full screen) input and load two versions of the game.

Once in the game there are quite a few things of course that you have different. I usually left the little click buttons at the top left to turn on/off repeater regions and broadcasting. You have them on the F1/F2 keys but named differently in Keyboard repeating on/off and mouse repeating on/off.

I was unable to get my characters to do what I've been trying to do all along which is leave broadcasting off and just run everything through the main character, but some things only through my second character, such as target main character, follow main character, assist main character (which in game is acquire target of target, but means the same thing).

I was only able to accomplish this once again with broadcasting on. That's not how it works with my WoW teams. The only time I turn on broadcasting is when completing quests or interacting with items/npcs.

With the way this seemed to work if I left keyboard repeating on (F2) with your set up the two characters run independently when I press the WSAD keys for movement and the second character doesn't follow. If I turn off keyboard and repeating the second character follows fine, but I have to turn on keyboard repeating again for assist/follow/target main character and any other command.

I must be really not understanding what I am doing.

I'll try more on Monday - until then I won't get any time.

I appreciate all you've tried to do so far and I'll try and contact you Monday with my results.

Thanks!

Malgor

[Riiker]

Ok. We are gonna need to do some troubleshooting/ debugging here. What I want you to do is reset all of your ingame key bindings to default for targeting and movement. Then set follow = (tilde) and target my target = F6. Load up and group your characters. Make sure that neither character has a target selected (press ESC for each one). Then when you press your ISBoxer hokey for Follow Me, I want to know who character slot 2 selects when slot 1 is the main and then repeat the process when slot 2 is main. I have a feeling that this is where the problem is.

[Malgor]

I'll get on this Monday - I work tonight all night and Sunday night all night. Thanks for working through this - I'll post my results then.

[Riiker]

Sounds good. It's just crummy that you spent the money on a second account and can't really use it yet.

[Apps]

Do you want graphics or just a description?

I started with a clean ISBoxer and saved my wow settings as a save as file.

Under Character sets I named my team just SWTOR since I will be using it for boxing just two characters at one time with only target leader, target of target and follow.

In-game Key Bindings: (I put some of these under Key 2 not Key 1 since I single box a healer with some friends and didn't want to change the main settings.

Target Party Member 1 = F6
Target Self = F7
Acquire Target's Target = `
Follow Target = Alt+F


Under Variable Keystrokes there were already Slot 1 and Slot 2 listed (which I believe is all I need to two box) and I added this:

Target Slot 1 Default Key Combination F6
Target Slot 2 Default Key Combination F6

Under SWTOR>Slots>1 variable keystrokes tab I have:
Target Slot 1 is now F7
Target Slot 2 is now F6
Under SWTOR>Slots>2 variable keystrokes tab I have:
Target Slot 1 is now F6
Target Slot 2 is now F7

Under Key Maps>Non-combat I added in two Mapped Keys:

Target Leader
Advanced
Steps
1: F6-> all other
The above step 1 I added the following actions:
Step
Actions
<Target Slot {SLOT}> -> all other
F6 -> all other

Target of Target
Advanced
Steps
1: 1 -> all
The above step 1 I added the following actions:
Step
Actions
<Target Slot {SLOT}> -> all other
`-> all other
1-> all

Those are the only things I changed. I do not have a hotkey for Target Leader or for Target of Target nor do I have "Hold any keystorke actions while hotkey is held" on. I've tried to have that on and it doesn't work at all then.

Currently everything works (kinda) if I turn on broadcasting. I say that because for follow, when I turn on broadcasting both characters turn and follow each other until I turn it off again and start moving. Then the lead character of course is followed by the second. I have to turn on broadcasting again after I select a target then hit ` and the corresponding key I want them to attack with. I keep broadcasting on throughout the fight though this leads to obvious ill desired effects when the second character runs off as I run the first character to a new mob as follow won't work with broadcasting on. So this of course, isn't ideal, but workable. I just started the team yesterday and got them to level 12 in a few hours.

All help is very appreciated.

Thanks,

Mal

EDIT: I do have the box checked that says "Make game believe it is the foreground window".



:whistles:

Several critical failures here…

Bluntly, whatever setup you’re trying to copy, is a weak one.


If you use in game TPM1 (Target Party Member 1) as F6, but then have your variable keystrokes at slot one to F7 then F6, AND AT THE SAME TIME, set slot two to the opposite for a two man setup…eh, they aren’t going to do crap but just sit there and stare blankly.

Unless you are doing something rather funky, there isn’t a need to use a specific key for Target self other than the one already in game… F1

Don’t use Non-combat keys for SWToR

I highly advise against using key combos (ALT+F for example) for any of your 3 main scripts… “Follow Me”; “Assist Me”; “Target Me”

You will need to juggle around your F-keys to get it working correctly, but its not hard.

Oh, and not using a “Control” system will be a lot more difficult. I will concede that some players think this method is a bit funky, however its very “logical” meaning “input this”>”send to this”

Anyway, Mosg2 did a very VERY nice setup for 4 people. I followed that up with a 2 player rendition of his manifesto.

Link to Mosg2
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46398-Mosg-s-Multiboxing-TOR-Manifesto

Link to Apps
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46470-Apps-(actually-Mosg2%E2%80%99s)-2-Man-and-3-Man-SWTOR-setup


Two man setups are easy. Don’t over think it. If you are playing Toon A. Then group with Toon B. Toon B is your TPM1. Easy right? Well, if you play Toon B, and then group with Toon A. From the perspective of Toon B… Toon A is HIS TPM1. So the setups are identical, the only difference is your assist, target, and follow all point to the other character slot.

Also, don’t use the “all other” when doing a 2 man setup.


Do this….
Read Mosg2’s and Apps setup instructions….
---In SWTOR---
Set both IN GAME keybinds to the exact same thing;
Follow = `
Target Party Member 1 = F6
Acquire Targets Target = F7

---In ISBoxer---
Make key map rename it “O Control”
Make key map rename it (your first toons name)

---In “O Control”---
New key map “Activate (your first toons name)”
Add your hotkey here
One step, one action… make toon one “On”; toon two “Off”; O control “On”
^Copy the above mapped key, Paste it in the O Control, edit the second one to be the opposite settings, and rename it as “Activate (your second toons name)” Give it, its own hotkey.
^Copy again, and paste it in the O Control, edit it the third one to be all set to “OFF” Rename it as “All keys off” Give it its own hotkey.

You can add a mouse repeater too if you like. I did.

---In (your first toons name)---
Make the Follow Me; Assist Me; Target Me.. use character slots instead of “all others”
Create DPS keys that use the Assist Me, send it to the other character slot, and then press your dps key.. like the number “1”
^ Copy and repeat to finish your dps keys.


When your done, copy that entire key map (your first toons name), and paste it in the Key Maps, and rename it as (your second toons name)
Simply invert all the character slots for your mapped keys. (I.e. what was going to slot 2, should now go to slot 1)

Double check your Character Set so that you have the “O control”; “(your first toons name)”; “(your second toons name)”.
Set a hot key for your window swap, and use the same keys you chose for your activate key maps.

Save all.

Export to Inner Space.

Close all windows, open ISBoxer, and right click on your character set, and choose “Launch”

Enjoy.
Apps

[Malgor]

Okay.

I reloaded your set up with ISBoxer and imported it to Inner Space.

I reset my key bindings to default.

I set Follow Target to ~ (actually ` which is the non-shift ~)

I set my Acquire Target of Target to F6.

Now when I hit ` I select my other character and follow them. Works when I am in either window with F1 and F2 off (mouse repeater and keyboard repeater). That's perfect.

However when I hit F6 with a target selected it says on my main window, "Your target has no target" meaning the NPC I've targeted has no target. My other character on my other screen does nothing. He still has me targeted because I hit ` first which is follow (and I assume target character #2).

So half working. Though after I played around with it for a bit, ` no longer targeted the other character nor followed them until I exported ISBoxer again to Inner Space. Weird.

It's 7:30am my time now and I just got home from work a bit ago so need to get some sleep. I'll wait to hear what you think might be my problem.

Thanks again for working me through this!

Malgor

[Apps]

That's because... looking at the previous setup, F6 is only being used for Acquire Targets Target. The games keybinds arent smart like ISBoxer. The setup isnt right. You cant target a mob, then press F6. The mob isnt targeting anything.

You need to specifically tell ISBoxer which key maps you want active when you swap windows.

You also need to specify a Target of Target AFTER you do the Target Me function.


Meaning you should NOT have a hot key for Acquire Targets Target in ISBoxer, and you should NOT have a hot key for Target Me.

I'll write that again... you should NOT have a hot key for Acquire Targets Target in ISBoxer... so unless you are turning off all your hot key, key maps, and then pressing the key bind.. its just simply not going to work right when you press it.



the correct way of doing it would be to use those mapped keys as a director for a specific mapped key which you send to your game window. NOT the other way around.

(Without actually seeing your setup), Id suspect that, you are likely still using the "all w/ current", and you arent turning off the key map of the other toon when you swap windows.






I reloaded your set up with ISBoxer and imported it to Inner Space.



Who is the "your" which you're referring to?

[Riiker]

Apps, I'm the "your" that he was referring to. I have a working 2 & 4 man setup that originally was based off your guide, but now has been modified to use variable keystrokes.

I'm starting to think that using variable keystrokes is adding a layer of complexity that is possibly clouding the real issue.

I think I'm going to make another setup for him based on your guide and troubleshoot from there.

I have a feeling that the problem is an inconsistency of ingame key binds between characters. Another possibility is an outdated version of inner space or ISBoxer based on the comment that without changing anything the setup stopped working then all he had to do was reexport.

Oddly enough I'm at the hospital right now... just had my first baby 3 days ago! I'm not going to have a bunch of time to help malgor out.

[Apps]

Apps, I'm the "your" that he was referring to. I have a working 2 & 4 man setup that originally was based off your guide, but now has been modified to use variable keystrokes.

I'm starting to think that using variable keystrokes is adding a layer of complexity that is possibly clouding the real issue.

I think I'm going to make another setup for him based on your guide and troubleshoot from there.

I have a feeling that the problem is an inconsistency of ingame key binds between characters. Another possibility is an outdated version of inner space or ISBoxer based on the comment that without changing anything the setup stopped working then all he had to do was reexport.

Oddly enough I'm at the hospital right now... just had my first baby 3 days ago! I'm not going to have a bunch of time to help malgor out.


DUDE! congratulations! I too am a newly recent father again. I am seriously pleased for you.



Several of us tried out the variable keystroke options. Yes they work. however, just like you are finding out, we can accomplish the same thing with less effort. My suspicion is, Malgor has his "Control" methods out of wack, and or in addition to game keybinds not appropriately synced with ISBoxer. From looking at it, I think Malgor needs to stop, delete all, and start fresh... Build a new profile from hand. Control, Toon A, Toon B. .. then populate his mapped keys, and reset to default in game keybinds, and only alter the 3-4 he needs. His re-export may not actually work. Exporting takes into account, things like keybinds in game and the main file for ISBoxer. I believe its no shock to know that if a person can import someone else .XML file, locate all appropriate discrepancies, change them all, and re-export... that person should be able to build a basic file on their own.

What I attempt to do, is provide enough assistance to get a basic understanding of the software, and how its built, then operates. After that, the user can then expand and grow with it.

Grats on the baby! hope he or she is health, fat, quiet, and going home soon.

Apps.

[Riiker]

Malgor,

*edit - completely agree with apps post above. That is probably the best option. Go read the guide that he posted above. It's what I used to make my setup anyway. But if you decide not to I've listed some things below to check.

I think the way forward is recheck your ingame key binds are all default with the exception of follow and target my target. Also, make sure you have the latest version of Innerspace and ISBoxer.

Once you've done that, from your main press the "follow me" hot key to make the alt target you and then follow. From your main, target an NPC. Now switch to the alt and press F6 to make him target your target (make sure that F6 is not used as a hotkey in ISBoxer first). The alt should target the NPC. If he doesn't, recheck to make sure the alt is currently targeting the main who is targeting an NPC. If that checked out, reverify your keybind in game for target of target (should be F6). Hopefully, that all works and we can recheck your ISBoxer setup.

Im going to try and make a new setup for you tonight, but like I said above... I've got some other things going on right now. I completely agree with apps... stay away from modifiers like shift, ctrl, and alt until we get this working.

Apps, thanks man! It's kinda wild.

[Malgor]

Congratulations, Riiker on the new baby! Always very excited for those having new babies!

Congratulations to you too, Apps for adding to your brood as well!



Now - I'm awake. It's 3pm my time (West coast in USA) and I'm not sure what you want me to do. Completely start fresh and make a new XML ISBoxer set up myself or keep the current one you made me and work within that.

I'll just wait on a response. I can do it either way. One problem is when I originally wrote my ISBoxer set up for WoW I thought I understood what things did, now I seem hazy on it. Could be old age! Also of course WoW is easier due to macros that you simply linked to keys. One button for follow, one button to make a two step rotation of spells work.

[Malgor]

Upon further checking. I did not have the latest version of ISBoxer. I do now.

` still works to target my main window character and follow him after I imported from ISBoxer the set up Riiker sent me.
When I target a target on my main window and press F6 it says "Target has no target" on my main window and nothing happens on my second window. When I click to my second window while my first window has a target and my second window has my first window character selected and hit F6 he does acquire the target my first window has as a target. So it appears the F6 key works, but only in the current window. In ISBoxer it shows that Acquire Targets Target is supposed to be All w/o current, but that seems to not be happening.

[Riiker]

Continue to look at your ISBoxer stuff to try and get it to work.

Ill try to make a super basic 2 man setup for you to use and upload tonight. I live in Hawaii so I'm 3 hours behind you.

[Malgor]

My parents just got back from Hawaii. My best friend and his wife both live on Oahu. Beautiful place!

Thanks.

I tried to change what I thought my be the conflict in ISBoxer and it gave me an error that said it wouldn't work that way due to something I didn't comprehend. I'm thinking if this doesn't work I'll copy your follow section since that works and paste that into a new clean ISboxer profile. Then tweak around until I can get the acquire target of target to work. Is that possible? (The copying from one ISBoxer profile and then pasting it into another?

[Riiker]

I've never tried to. You might also just try to delete everything but that.

Itll only take me a few minutes to get you a generic setup for two characters.

[Malgor]

Okay. I have been playing the Diablo3 Beta for a bit today.

[Riiker]

Malgor,

One last thing... make sure that when you start up your game, you press "Home" to activate SLOT 1 key maps. And if you click into your alt's window to focus and activate it, you need to press "Page Up" to activate SLOT 2 key maps.

Anytime you are playing from your main, just start out by pressing "Home" a couple of times and if you switch to your Alt, just press "Page Up" a couple of times. I have a feeling that will solve your problem... hopefully.

[Malgor]

Okay - Now SWTOR is back up and running.

I reloaded your profile and ` is still working great for follow.

I used HOME to activate Slot 1 - still nothing happens upon acquire target of target. Using Page Up activating Slot 2. Still nothing.

I scrapped everything and followed (again) Darkmod's Follow/Assist SWTOR for Dummies and now I'm back to nothing working correctly unless I have on broadcasting. I have no idea what I'm obviously doing that makes it act that way. You'd think following it exactly like Darkmod's would work for me.

With the new baby I'm sure you didn't have time to work on the simple follow/assist you had mentioned building, Riiker, which is totally understandable. I'll keep trying and maybe get lucky!

Thanks for your help again it has been much appreciated.

Mal

[Apps]

Congratulations, Riiker on the new baby! Always very excited for those having new babies!Congratulations to you too, Apps for adding to your brood as well!Thanks much. I'm super excited to be a new father again. Being a dad at 37 is FAR different from being a dad at 19. I'm more calm, relaxed, actually enjoying the child I created. Love all my boys.
Upon further checking. I did not have the latest version of ISBoxer. I do now.` still works to target my main window character and follow him after I imported from ISBoxer the set up Riiker sent me.When I target a target on my main window and press F6 it says "Target has no target" on my main window and nothing happens on my second window. When I click to my second window while my first window has a target and my second window has my first window character selected and hit F6 he does acquire the target my first window has as a target. So it appears the F6 key works, but only in the current window. In ISBoxer it shows that Acquire Targets Target is supposed to be All w/o current, but that seems to not be happening.Huston, you have a problem... and I know what the solution is. :)
Malgor,One last thing... make sure that when you start up your game, you press "Home" to activate SLOT 1 key maps. And if you click into your alt's window to focus and activate it, you need to press "Page Up" to activate SLOT 2 key maps.Anytime you are playing from your main, just start out by pressing "Home" a couple of times and if you switch to your Alt, just press "Page Up" a couple of times. I have a feeling that will solve your problem... hopefully.

All the help Riker is doing here to assist, just fell apart with this. I applaud him for his efforts. Lets straighten this out. The above reference to the "Home" and "PageUp" keys needs to be addressed first.

So, lets give Riker some time to tend to his family and I will help you, Malgor, to finish this setup.

Few things.

Using click swap, without a key press can get mucked up fast. Abandon the click swap. I realize it seems convenient, however once you start using key swap, and realize how well it will work for you, I guarantee you wont go back to click swap.... Heres why.... You can swap screens, characters, AND load up specific map key sets with one button press. No need to swap, and press a button to load the right key map set.

I.e. (I'll refer to my own setup as example. I play with a mouse in right hand, and WASD keys with the left. Given my left hand also covers the main DPS rotation keys "1 thru 6", I use F1, F2, F3, and F4 to swap windows... they are easy and within reach... So, F1 = player 1; F2 = Player 2 etc etc) When I press F1, ISBoxer swaps to that screen, deactivates the other screens as the leader, thus only the player 1 is the leader, sending keys to the rest (via ISBoxer), as well as playing his own.

***EDIT** Found a potential problem area.
Be sure to Edit your in-game keybinds to the following:
“Home” UNBIND
“Page UP” UNBIND
~ = Target Party Member1
F6 = Acquire Targets Target
F7 = Follow Target

What Id like to see accomplished is, you being able to identify how to write a new file, from scratch, and understand why. Since you made the comment that you thought you had it down with WoW and now feel a bit hazy,... well, thats indicative that Lax deserves mad props for the scripts he writes for the WoW wizard. Thats the goal. To make it very simple. Unfortunately, SWToR doesnt have the FTL modifiers in the game... so, we have to write them for ourselves, and they are character slot specific.(In case youre wondering FTL stands for Follow Me, Target Me, and Assist Me. ((I dunno why an "L" and not an "A")))So... lets get started with a new file.

1. I want you to delete your Character Set for these toons. (Since I dont know their names, I'll call them toonA or tA and toonB or tB)

2. If your toons are already loaded in the Character section, leave them be.

3. Make a new Character set.To do this, simply right click and choose new. Name it something thats easily identifable.. like "2 man Inquisitors"Note that its fairly empty. We need to add some charcters to it.

4. Click on your characters at the top to expand the fields and expose the names of tA and tB from the Characters section.

5. Click on your newly created Character Sets name, so that you can see your Character Set build tree in the lower left.(With the bottom left pane open, mouse to the top, and scroll the top pane till you see your characters, click and drag their names down into the bottom left window (should be the character set screen), and watch ISBoxer auto-populate your two character slots... now tA is in character slot 1, and tB is in character slot 2.

[Malgor]

Thanks Apps I have to run take my parents to lunch but will be back around 2pm pacific time and will go through it again.

[Apps]

6. Click back to your Character Set, and note the General tab… lets review some of the bottom Right pane…
“Launch each Character 5.0 seconds after another is ready”

You can change the checkboxes as you see fit, but for now, lets just leave them all alone. I only want you to ensure your checkbox for “Make game believe it is foreground window” is checked.

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq40/Shifthapens/SWTOR Stuff/ISB1.jpg

7. Now click on the “1” in the lower left pane so we can edit the Character slot 1.

(Since Riker has you using “Page Up” and “Home”, I’ll keep using those, however please note, you can change these to whatever makes better sense to you.)
You should see a “Switching” tab at the top of the bottom pane.

8. At the field “Hotkey to switch to this character”… click the “<” button and then press the “Home” key.

9. Now click on the “2” in the lower left pane so we can edit the Character slot 2.

10. Same as number 8, at the field “Hotkey to switch to this character” … click the “<” button and press the “Page Up” key.

(I used the F keys as indicted above)
http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq40/Shifthapens/SWTOR Stuff/ISB2.jpg

*Checkpoint*
So, what we’ve done thus far is, we’ve created our characters, and created a character set for which we will use to launch our game, and hold the “map” of how we want the characters to interact with one another. We have also made it so that no matter what screen we are on, if we press “Home” the game will swap windows to tA, and if we press the “Page Up” key, the game will swap windows to tB. Note that if you are already on tB, and press the “Page Up” nothing happens… but if later you are already in game, and alter your ISBoxer file, save it, and export it… even tho the game may say “loaded tB successfully updated” or something like that, you will want to press your “Page Up” key again after that to ensure any changes made are applied at that very moment.
----> If we were to click the Character Set named “2 man Inquisitors” the game will launch one window, we enter our account info, load that game, and 5 seconds later launches the other window, we enter our account info. When both games are up, we can press “Home” for tA and the window swaps… and we can press “Page Up” for tB and the window swaps. That’s it thus far.

So… Now we need to get the FTL modifiers set up so the toons will interact with one another. But before that, we need to address a few details first. We need three Key Maps (which is a set of keys that are unique for their own purpose).

11. Right click on Key Maps and choose new key map. We need three of them, so go ahead and make all three, name them the following:

First one = “2 man Inquisitor Control”
Second one = “2 man Inquisitor tA”
Third one = “2 man Inquisitor tB”

(Note: the reason why we are descriptive with these, is because you will need to CLEARLY identify them, today, tomorrow, and many months from now or later. Its tough to try to remember what you did 8 months ago. Plus it makes other details later on, like “Whitelisting” and pointing the direction for Mapped Keys)

Think of this process as making a book. We have a title (our characters names), we have a cover (our Character Set), we need pages and paper (Controls Key Maps), and the details words on the paper (our hotkeys and mapped keys). Right now we need some Controls.

12. Click on “2 man Inquisitor Control” and right click on mapped keys. We need a minimum of (4) mapped keys. Go ahead and make them and name them the following:

First one = “Activate tA”
Second one = “Activate tB”
Third one = “All keys OFF”
Fourth one = “Mouse Repeater”

13. Click on “Activate tA” and make a new hotkey key.

14. Click on the “<” for the Hotkey, and set it to “Home”

See where this is going??
http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq40/Shifthapens/SWTOR Stuff/ISB4.jpg

15. Now click on the “Steps” and make a new mapped key… in actions. We want to do a new key state action. For “Target”, use the pull down menu and choose “Window:All w/current”. For “Key Map”, use the pull down menu and choose “2 man Inquisitor tA”. And key state is “ON”

[Apps]

16. Now for ease of repetition, right click on this new action, and choose “copy”. Then right click on the word “Actions” and choose “paste”. Do this a second time, so that you end up with (3) things under the “Actions” name.

17. Click on the second one, and change the field for “Key Map” to “2 man Inquisitor tB”.. and then set the key state to “OFF”

18. Click on the third one, and change the field for “Key Map” to “2 man Inquisitor Control”.. and then set the key state to “ON”

19. Now, add one more thing under “Actions” by right clicking, and this time choose, the “Popup Text”. Over on the right, you can write whatever you like, for example “Hey dummy, tA is now Active!”

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq40/Shifthapens/SWTOR Stuff/ISB5.jpg

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq40/Shifthapens/SWTOR Stuff/ISB6.jpg

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq40/Shifthapens/SWTOR Stuff/ISB7.jpg


**EDIT NOTE** just like we did in step 4 and 5. Get the Character Set window for the bottom left panel open, and click and drag down the (3) Key sets you just made. “2 man Inquisitor Control”; “2 man Inquisitor tA”; “2 man Inquisitor tB”

Save file.


*Checkpoint*
So what this does, is… when you press the hotkey “Home” (as indicated over on the lower left pane), assuming the game is open and running, the game will swap to tA, and you will see a popup text flash across the screen that says “Hey dummy, tA is now Active!”. Meanwhile, it also deactivated tB as the leader. What does this mean? From the perspective of tB… when you are playing tB, you are playing from his point of view. So when you say “Target Me” you send a command to the OTHER window which is the “`” key. But if he dies. OH NO!!! and you press the “Home” key to instantly swap over to tA, and press the “`” key… nothing will happen. He wont get confused, at target the dead tB, because right now time is life. We don’t want to stand around watching toons die. Pressing “Home” deactivates the key maps for the tB, and putting tA in control, as well as the instant window swap.

In the future, when you get really tricky, you can write separate dps rotations for similar toons, or have the ability to use different class toons. Deactivating a healer, and activating a tank, is a critical function. And vice versa.


Lets see how well this is sinking in… I want you to do step 20 on your own.

20. Click on “Activate tB”, and set up this hotkey as “Page Up”. (hint: be sure to swap the “on”s and “off”s and change your pop up text to depict the proper toon… try coloring the text too if you want)

21. Click on “All Keys OFF”. This hotkey can be anything you want. Id use a key combo to ensure no accidental use of this one. Something like ALT+End. Change all the key states to off, EXCEPT CONTROL!!! and change the popup text to help identify when “ALL KEYS ARE OFF”

22. Click on “Mouse Repeater”. (Im gonna have to get back to you on this one. I cant recall the actual wording for this one. Needless to say, you want to do a 2 step process. Step one is Mouse Sync and send it to all. Step two, you can use the same button, and turn it off. I use Mouse4 button. Add a popup text to each of the two steps. Step one, make it say “Mouse Repeat ON” and the popup text for Step two, make it say “Mouse Repeat OFF”


Save file… export to innerspace. Press the “Home” key.


*Checkpoint*
Ok, by this time, you should be able to do the following…
Load up your team from nothing by opening ISBoxer, and right clicking on your Character Set, and selecting load. When fully loaded, you should be able to press the “Home” key, with windows swap to tA.. and a text flash across the screen indicating as such. Press the “Page Up” key, the window swaps, to tB and another text across the screen. You should also be able to press ALT+End and see a text flash, and none of your hotkeys work after that, except “Home” and “Page Up”. Lastly, you should be able to press your Mouse4 button once, see a flash on the screen something like “Mouse Repeat ON”, and wiggle the mouse, neat, and then press Mouse4 again, another text indicating its off.


BTW, you making it this far. Good job!


One more minor section to go, and you’re gonna be killin stuff in game.

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The FTL….

Main thing here is to always consider the PoV of the toon you are playing. For a two man setup its not that difficult.

So…
23. In the Key Maps section, click on “2 man Inquisitor tA”. Create a new mapped key. Lets actually make (4) of them. Name them the following:

First one = “Target Me”
Second one = “Follow Me”
Third one = “Assist Me”
Fourth one = “DPS1”

24. Click on “Target Me”. There is NO hotkey for this so leave it blank. Seriously, Don’t do it. Under Steps, and under Actions, make a new mapped key. The “Target” for this key is the OTHER toon. Use the pull down menu and select “Character Slot 2: (tB)”. For the “Key Combination” (again using the keys Riker already attempted to have you use), click on the “<” and press the “`” key.

25. Click on the “Assist Me”. In order for this to work, think logic. tB needs to first target you, then press F6 so that tB “Acquires Target of Target”. There is NO hotkey for this so leave it blank too. Under Steps, and under Actions, make (2) new mapped keys. The first one we need to tell tB to target tA. The in game keybind for this is “Target Party Member1”.. which I believe Riker had you change to “`”. The “Target” for this key, is again, the OTHER toon. Use the pull down menu, and again select “Character Slot 2: (tB)”. For the “Key Combination”, click on the “<” and press the “`” key. The second item in the “Actions” group, we will do the “Acquire Target of Target”… which I believe Riker had you change to “F6”. The “Target” for this key, is again, the OTHER toon. Use the pull down menu, and again select “Character Slot 2: (tB)”. For the “Key Combination”, click on the “<” and press the “F6” key.

26. Click on the “Follow Me”. THIS ONE DOES HAVE A HOTKEY!! For the hotkey… erm, I dunno what Riker had you use… so lets change it to “F7” (note, I don’t like F7 for a follow key, because its not convenient, however, for the sake of the help today, just do it… you can change it later.) This one is similar to assist. First we need to tell the other toon to target us, then use the follow keybind which we will need to alter in game.

Matter of fact. Go in game now, and change both accounts, both kebinds, to use “Follow Target” as F7.

Back in ISBoxer, under “Step 1” and “Actions” right click and choose the mapped key action. For the “Target” use the pull down menu, and select “Character Slot 2: (tB). Then for the other click on the “<” and scroll to find the “Target Me” in “2 man Inquisitor tA”. Then in the same action, right click and new keystroke action, again, use the pull down menu, and again select “Character Slot 2: (tB)”. For the “Key Combination”, click on the “<” and press the “F7” key.

27. Click on “DPS1”. The Hotkey for this is “1”. Under Steps, and under Actions, do the same as you did for setting up the “Follow Me”. Except this time, your first action is going to use “Assist Me”. Set the “Target” of this key to again, “Character Slot 2: (tB)”. Next create another new keystroke action under the same Actions, the “Target” is again “Character Slot 2: (tB)”. And the keystroke is “1”.


Save your file.

Export to InnerSpace… press your “Home” key to refresh after its been updated.

*Checkpoint*
Ok, so now, you have set up your characters.
You have created a character set.
You have moved the characters into your character set.
You have created a Control, and a tA and tB main key map sets.
You have moved the Control, tA and tB key map sets into your character set.
You have updated Controls to be able to swap screens, and activate and deactivate with a single key…
You have updated Control to have mouse repeater, and ability to turn off your key maps for troubleshooting in the future.
You have updated your tA and added FTL commands and one DPS
You can load your game, press “Home” then press “F7” and tB will follow you.
You can click on a target, then press the “1” key, (assuming your in range for both toons), and both toons will attack that target. Press “F7” again, then go loot your body.


What should be understood by now is that ISBoxer will allow you to create a key set for a toon. And using that key set, you can map ANY key the keyboard, but you need to be aware of what you want to do with them all in game.

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Id like for you to complete step 28 thru 32 on your own. Please make use of the copy and paste commands… or create from scratch if you like.

28. Click on your “2 man Inquisitor tB”, and create your (4) mapped keys for Follow, Assist, Target, and DPS1.

29. Update Follow for tB.

30. Update Assist for tB.

31. Update Target for tB.

32. Update DPS for tB.



Save file… export to InnerSpace.



*Final*
Your setup is complete. If you want to use Whitelists (like I do), go to your character set, and click on the second tab “Key Map White/Black Lists”. Simply click on the Control, tA and tB.. as long as they are selected.. ONLY those will ever be loaded for this team. Also you can click on the “1” and “2” in the Character Set lower pane and then click on the second tab… choose however many cores you want to tell your pc to handle a single Character Slot. (I.e. if you have 8 cores, put 4 on character slot one and 4 on character slot two)

Setting up a file from scratch isn’t hard. It normally takes me about 20 mins to get the basics.

You can go back to the “2 man Inquisitor tA” and “tB” sections, and add more dps keys. Read up on the forums about how to do rotations. How to do round robin skill attacks. How to make clickbars for healing.

If after this, you are still unable to get things working properly, please upload and post screen shots, of the following:
Character Set.
Character Slot 1
Character Slot 2
Control
tA
tB

Try to be as descriptive as possible.

Thanks,
Apps

[Malgor]

So... lets get started with a new file.

1. I want you to delete your Character Set for these toons. (Since I dont know their names, I'll call them toonA or tA and toonB or tB)

2. If your toons are already loaded in the Character section, leave them be.

3. Make a new Character set.
To do this, simply right click and choose new. Name it something thats easily identifable.. like "2 man Inquisitors"
Note that its fairly empty.
We need to add some charcters to it.

4. Click on your characters at the top to expand the fields and expose the names of tA and tB from the Characters section.

5. Click on your newly created Character Sets name, so that you can see your Character Set build tree in the lower left.

(With the bottom left pane open, mouse to the top, and scroll the top pane till you see your characters, click and drag their names down into the bottom left window (should be the character set screen), and watch ISBoxer auto-populate your two character slots... now tA is in character slot 1, and tB is in character slot 2.


Okay I have done this up to this point.

I'll do the rest of your amazing list when I get back from taking my parents to lunch in two and a half hours.

THANKS!

[Apps]

Edit... Potential issue there. I noticed some of the keybinds dont match up. So to be clear,

Go to this link < CLICK_ME! (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46750-Cannot-figure-out-how-to-get-follow-and-assist-to-work-in-inner-space-ISboxer?p=357776&viewfull=1#post357776) > as a double check.

And make sure your in game keybinds match up.

[Malgor]

I just finished step 22 and loaded it. I thought I had a problem, but will write more as I continue.

HOME does what it is supposed to do - switch the screen to TOON A.
Page Up does what it is supposed to do - switch the screen to TOON B.
ALT+End does what it is supposed to do and turns off all keys for the other screen.

On to the next section!

[Malgor]

24. Click on “Target Me”. There is NO hotkey for this so leave it blank. Seriously, Don’t do it. Under Steps, and under Actions, make a new mapped key. The “Target” for this key is the OTHER toon. Use the pull down menu and select “Character Slot 2: (tB)”. For the “Key Combination” (again using the keys Riker already attempted to have you use), click on the “<” and press the “`” key.

I am guessing you meant for me to make a new keystroke action instead of a new mapped key? If not I am confused at this point.

[Malgor]

I changed my in game key bindings so they would at least make a little sense.

Target Party Member 1 is F2 originally, and you can add in an alternate choice which I chose F6 leaving the F2 choice in as well.
I made Follow Target which is normally blank in game to F7.
Acquire Target's Target is left blank in game and I made this ` (tilde).

I think I am getting these correct in ISBoxer.

However I've come to the following confusing snag:

This whole section below is confusing and try as I might, couldn't figure it out after 30 minutes of searching and trying different things. Not sure what to do since I don't understand where to find some of the things you listed. When you say "New Mapped Key" under actions I of course can find those, but I don't know which specific one to use. Earlier with the pictures I was able to figure out this meant a "New Mapped Key State Action". But Now I don't think it does because I can't find what you are asking me to find, such as Then for the other click on the “<” and scroll to find the “Target Me” in “2 man Inquisitor tA”. as it was no where to be found in the different mapped keys and other action keys I tried.

This section has me lost. :(

25. Click on the “Assist Me”. In order for this to work, think logic. tB needs to first target you, then press F6 so that tB “Acquires Target of Target”. There is NO hotkey for this so leave it blank too. Under Steps, and under Actions, make (2) new mapped keys. The first one we need to tell tB to target tA. The in game keybind for this is “Target Party Member1”.. which I believe Riker had you change to “`”. The “Target” for this key, is again, the OTHER toon. Use the pull down menu, and again select “Character Slot 2: (tB)”. For the “Key Combination”, click on the “<” and press the “`” key. The second item in the “Actions” group, we will do the “Acquire Target of Target”… which I believe Riker had you change to “F6”. The “Target” for this key, is again, the OTHER toon. Use the pull down menu, and again select “Character Slot 2: (tB)”. For the “Key Combination”, click on the “<” and press the “F6” key.

26. Click on the “Follow Me”. THIS ONE DOES HAVE A HOTKEY!! For the hotkey… erm, I dunno what Riker had you use… so lets change it to “F7” (note, I don’t like F7 for a follow key, because its not convenient, however, for the sake of the help today, just do it… you can change it later.) This one is similar to assist. First we need to tell the other toon to target us, then use the follow keybind which we will need to alter in game.

Matter of fact. Go in game now, and change both accounts, both kebinds, to use “Follow Target” as F7.

Back in ISBoxer, under “Step 1” and “Actions” right click and choose the mapped key action. For the “Target” use the pull down menu, and select “Character Slot 2: (tB). Then for the other click on the “<” and scroll to find the “Target Me” in “2 man Inquisitor tA”. Then in the same action, right click and new keystroke action, again, use the pull down menu, and again select “Character Slot 2: (tB)”. For the “Key Combination”, click on the “<” and press the “F7” key.

27. Click on “DPS1”. The Hotkey for this is “1”. Under Steps, and under Actions, do the same as you did for setting up the “Follow Me”. Except this time, your first action is going to use “Assist Me”. Set the “Target” of this key to again, “Character Slot 2: (tB)”. Next create another new keystroke action under the same Actions, the “Target” is again “Character Slot 2: (tB)”. And the keystroke is “1”.

[Malgor]

I got to the DPS1 - item number 27 on the list and am stumped again. I'm sure that's no surprise!

I uploaded my file to sendspace here http://www.sendspace.com/file/e0dbk8 so if you want to look at it you can see what I've done so far.


I exported what I had to inner space and I'm having the same error messages I had when I originally set it up myself following several of the guides on here. Nothing happens in my second window. My first window (whichever one I have on screen 1) does the action, but it's not supposed to. Only my second window is. By using Character Slot: 2(Toon B) I'm assuming that is sending the message to inner space to have that toon do the actions that we have listed?

[Malgor]

Apps and Riiker both. You two have been amazing. I really appreciate all the time you spent trying to help me fix whatever I'm missing with my set ups.

Again,

Much thanks.

Malgor

[Apps]

24. Click on “Target Me”. There is NO hotkey for this so leave it blank. Seriously, Don’t do it. Under Steps, and under Actions, make a new mapped key. The “Target” for this key is the OTHER toon. Use the pull down menu and select “Character Slot 2: (tB)”. For the “Key Combination” (again using the keys Riker already attempted to have you use), click on the “<” and press the “`” key.

I am guessing you meant for me to make a new keystroke action instead of a new mapped key? If not I am confused at this point.


Correct! I did this write up from work, and from memory. I got the pictures from the guide I wrote a few months back. Sorry about the wording.

Yes, for the Target Me and Assist Me, you want to use "New Keystroke Action" because you want the software to pass along a keystroke.

For the Follow Me, you want to use "New Do Mapped Key Action", because you want to "DO" or use, and existing mapped key.

I know they wording for some of ISBoxer is awfully confusing, but after a while you get used to it.


Apps and Riiker both. You two have been amazing. I really appreciate all the time you spent trying to help me fix whatever I'm missing with my set ups.

Again,

Much thanks.

Malgor

NP, so lets get you finished. Im going to download your .XML file and check it out. Give me a little bit to digest... oh, and the F2 and F6 thing... unbind F2, and put the F6 in the top. Else it doesnt work right.

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Alright, my review is done. I didnt test it because... well, I need to give the baby a bath.

Error one:
http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq40/Shifthapens/SWTOR Stuff/CharacterSet.jpg
If you go look at your Character Map... what do you see? WAY too much crap in there.
Delete the following:
Always On
Non-Combat
Combat
Toggles

Delete them from your character set. If you want to keep them in the file to use for WoW later, thats fine. But they got no business in our SWTOR setup. Nix them.



Error two: I wrote "Window: All w/Current"... WITH... not WITHOUT. You have it setup to always exclude the window you are in. That helps you for exactly ZIP. Change those all to the correct setting. Activate Toon A, Activate Toon B, All Keys OFF...

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq40/Shifthapens/SWTOR Stuff/Windowwithoutcurrent.jpg

Error three: The Target Me, Follow Me, Assist Me, and DPS1 do not belong in the control group. Remember, you have the control group to be ON for all settings... so your toons cant be ON for both, else they'll go all Sybil on you..lol Good note, you did get it right! Just need to put them in the 2 Man Sentinel Toon A and 2 Man Sentinel Toon B.


Note: Looks like you arent finished. You need to finish the DPS1. And you also need to remember... 2 Man Sentinel Toon A needs the FTL modifiers (Follow Me, Assist Me, Target Me) as well as 2 Man Sentinel Toon B does too. But when you copy and paste them into Toon B, dont forget to change them from Character slot 2 to Character slot 1... Because when you Activate Toon B, you ARE character slot 2... you dont want to send commands to yourself... you can directly control that one, when you are on that window. You want to send commands to the other one... Remember, when you "Activate" a keymap, by pressing the Home and Page Up... you need keys in there.

Make those adjustments, and I think you should be good. IF you want to upload the corrected file, Ill be happy to make a couple toons with your names, on some random server, and test it. Should be easy enough. But thatll be later, after baby goes to bed.

[Apps]

The main problem was / is that even tho you press the Home key, for example... the window swap, cause you got that right, and it activates the toon A... you got that right... but there isnt anything in "2 Man Sentinel Toon A" or "B"... you put the follow, target, and assist in the wrong sub category. so mashing buttons doesnt do jack.

[Malgor]

Thanks. My basketball team (OREGON DUCKS! GO DUCKS!) Is on TV right now. I'll put this in and test it at half time! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!

[Malgor]

Does the DPS1 key go in Toon A and Toon B or in Control?

I put them one each under Toon A and Toon B and did them the same as follow me.

Loading and testing now.

[Apps]

Correct. DPS keys are used for your toons specific. So 2 Man Sentinel Toon A and Toon B should each have their own DPS keys. They each have their own Follow, Target, and Assist.

Remember, your Controls are what is loading your key sets.

The Main Control is the one that says what goes where.
When you press Home for Activate toon A... it activates everything in 2 man sentinel toon a. which is all the follow commands that tell toon b who to follow... assist that tells toon b what to assist, and target which tells toon b who to target... plus your dps keys, so you can tell your toon b what to do

when you press PAge Up fo Activate toon B... it does the opposite... and loads all the stuff under 2 man sentinel toon B... also deactivating the toon A stuff.

[Malgor]

I thought I had it. :(

I changed my key binding and removed F2 completely and replaced it with F6 for targeting player number two in group.

Only my main window follows the commands. Re - exported to inner space to make sure it was correct afterward and still the same.

Also I had made a mouse repeater key binding, but never assigned anything to it. I'm just used to clicking on the buttons that are normally located at the top left corner of Inner Space to turn on "broadcasting" which is both mouse and keyboard repeating. Since I only use that when interacting with NPCs it's not a hassle. However when I loaded these up now, there is no button set up there. I googled how to turn it back on so I could see them and came up with nothing. I searched the ISBoxer wiki and didn't locate it either.

I'll upload this newest version. I swear I had it right, but it just won't work!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4qigw7

Let me know what I did wrong this time. After the baby is washed and asleep of course!

So far my DUCKS are beating LSU in the NIT tourney.

[Apps]

So lets see whats wrong...

you should be able to load them up.
you should be able to do the window swaps plus activates.
you should be able to turn off all

But there is something odd about the setup for the target me, assist me, and follow, and dps.

So..
2 Man sentinel Toon A
>Target Me (no hotkey)
>>Steps
>>>1: Actions
>>>>>F6 ->2

Check :)

2 Man sentinel Toon A
>Follow Me (Hotkey F7)
>>Steps
>>>1: Actions
>>>>>F6 ->2
>>>>>F7 ->2

You have this one wrong... very close.. but you have a conflict with the way you did the key maps... so just switch it and use the keystrokes like i typed it above.

2 Man sentinel Toon A
>Assist Me (no Hotkey)
>>Steps
>>>1: Actions
>>>>>F6 ->2
>>>>> ` ->2

Check :)

Do the same thing for 2 Man Sentinel Toon B


when youre done updating, do the drag and drop thing i wrote about for these items into your character set in the lower left panel... and, be sure to save... export, and press your home key a couple times to ensure it got loaded.

also please double check BOTH accounts for the in game keybinds.

the tilde should be your Acquire Target of Target
F6 should be your Target Party Member 1
F7 should be your follow.

****Edit, oh yeah, and your dps key... change the first line item for your target from Character slot to "Window Current". Basically, you want to "run" your command for assist, which is already sending to the other toon. If you try to send dps1 assist to the other toon, to run for the other toon, well, that wont work, because we deactivated those commands with the window hotkey swap... plus Toon B doesnt have assist for Toon B... its got it for Toon A. <--- that can get confusing quick.

[Malgor]

Updating now. Will give you results shortly. THANKS!

Do you know how I can get my "broadcasting" button back at the top left? I completely removed Mouse Repeat that we made earlier since I never completed it.

EDIT:

Okay Tested with the changes you made.

Window Swap: Check (Home takes me to toon 1 screen and Page Up takes me to toon 2 screen).
You mentioned Activates? I don't know which those are so couldn't test them. Remember I removed the Mouse Repeat you had me start but had said we'd get back to that. Since we didn't I removed it.
I am able to turn off all with ALT+End.

Now once they are loaded up I hit Home several times. I targeted toon 2 and invited him to group. I hit Home again a couple times.
I made sure neither had a target.
I hit F6 which should make toon 2 target player 1 in the group. Only player one targets player 2 instead.
I hit Page Up and switch to toon 2 screen and same thing. I leave him targeting toon 1 and hit HOME and switch back. When I hit F7 or ` toon 2 does nothing from toon 1 screen and toon 1 gets different messages depending upon what he has targeted.

I checked my key bindings in game. They are ` is acquire target of target, F6 is target player 2, F7 is follow target. All are in the first spot in the key bindings.

Here is the updated file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/rsvtp8

[Apps]

Updating now. Will give you results shortly. THANKS!

Do you know how I can get my "broadcasting" button back at the top left? I completely removed Mouse Repeat that we made earlier since I never completed it.


I believe its SHIFT+ALT+M

[Norrin]

I think to get the actual button back you need to open the GUI (Ctrl+Alt+Shift+G I think) while in game.
Then in the little box that opens there should be able to reset and move around.

[Malgor]

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Here it shows my keybinding as being F7 for follow target and F6 and ` for Target Party Member 1 and Acquire Target's Target.

[Malgor]

I think to get the actual button back you need to open the GUI (Ctrl+Alt+Shift+G I think) while in game.
Then in the little box that opens there should be able to reset and move around.

Thanks!

But, I tried that and maybe I didn't hit reset or anything, but that brings up the frames window right? So you can create click through frames?


EDIT:

Actually you were right. You can reload it from there. However after I reloaded it, it would no longer work. I couldn't click it and enable / disable broadcasting. Weird.

[MiRai]

Thanks!

But, I tried that and maybe I didn't hit reset or anything, but that brings up the frames window right? So you can create click through frames?
http://isboxer.com/wiki/Quick_Start_Guide#Hotkeys_created_by_the_Quick_Set up_Wizard

Assuming you have the Click Bar attached to your Character Set it would be Ctrl+Shift+Alt+B.

[Malgor]

Apps

I just exported my set up to Inner Space again. F7 works from my main window to follow my toon A. However if I swap to toon B's window, toon A won't follow him, just toon B follows toon A. Confusing-er.

[Malgor]

http://isboxer.com/wiki/Quick_Start_Guide#Hotkeys_created_by_the_Quick_Set up_Wizard

Assuming you have the Click Bar attached to your Character Set it would be Ctrl+Shift+Alt+B.

Thanks. I had it originally set up with the wizard, and can't get it back on unless I use the Ctrl+Shift+Alt+G and bring it up that way with the "show" button. However it doesn't function.

I was able to get it set to the F8 key and now I can just turn it on / off with a F8 key push.

[Apps]

Apps

I just exported my set up to Inner Space again. F7 works from my main window to follow my toon A. However if I swap to toon B's window, toon A won't follow him, just toon B follows toon A. Confusing-er.

show me. Im guessing you got something crossed. or you copied and pasted the info from toon A into toon B but didnt make the changes.

[Malgor]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/1sjxxy

That's the most recent copy of my ISBoxer profile.

[Apps]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/1sjxxy

That's the most recent copy of my ISBoxer profile.


Looks correct. Its getting late I may have to test it out real fast to double check.

Um, did you double check your in game key bindings for toon B?

[Malgor]

Um, did you double check your in game key bindings for toon B?

Yes they are the same as Toon A. Sorry this is such a huge hassle. I wish I knew it better and could just make the changes myself, but I've never been great with ISBoxer and getting the grasp of what I am really doing. I can follow guides okay, but... I'm old.

Go to sleep. You don't need to be worrying about this. Especially since you'll probably be up off and on with the baby throughout the night.

Thanks, we can try again tomorrow or some other day. I'm wasting a ton of your time.

Mal

[Apps]

k, I found your problem... I think.

First of all.. Page Up sucks balls. The game is trying to use chat. Ditch Page up, and change it easier stuff. I use F1 for main window, and F2 for second window.

So I altered your file, and made Slot 1's hotkey (within the character set), to F1 instead of Home.
I changed Slot 2's to F2 instead of Page Up.

I then went to your controls, and changed those too... Home became F1, and Page up became F2.

Youre DPS keys are weird. so I altered them too. Now its going to Window:Current for the first line, and the second line, Im sending "1" to Window: All w/Current. so now when I press "1" it sends Assist to the other toon, and then "1" to all toons. Also, you have to give your DPS keys a hotkey. So "1" gets a hotkey of "1". DPS2 gets a hotkey of "2" and so on.


Dunno if you were doing this or not, but be sure your toons are grouped. It makes a difference.

Anyway, I got it working perfectly.

Ill try to figure out how to upload it and you can have it.

Hope this link works... < Click Me for Apps Fixed File (http://www.sendspace.com/file/h7mfqu) >

[Apps]

Proof?

Here are all the dead bodies that hit the dirt when Seven came through...

http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq40/Shifthapens/SWTOR Stuff/Screenshot_2012-03-14_02_00_18_642501.jpg

[Malgor]

Thanks so much!

I really can't tell you how nice it is to have people out there, who don't know you, but are willing to help. Humanity is alive!

I'll test it in the morning. It's 11:30am here and was just getting done with dishes, etc.

When you say "I then went to your controls, and changed those too... Home became F1, and Page up became F2." What do you mean exactly? Since F1 and F2 are already bound in game to something are you meaning in game key bindings?

Thanks again!

Mal

[Riiker]

Apps, if u don't mind I can take this one. He means that in ISBoxer, he made activate slot 1= F1 and activate slot 2= F2.

As a side note, if ISBoxer has a hotkey assigned (F1 for example) when you press F1 ISBoxer kinda intercepts it and uses it for itself. SWTOR the actual game would never know that you just pressed F1 since it is already assigned as a hotkey in ISBoxer.

[Apps]

Apps, if u don't mind I can take this one. He means that in ISBoxer, he made activate slot 1= F1 and activate slot 2= F2.

As a side note, if ISBoxer has a hotkey assigned (F1 for example) when you press F1 ISBoxer kinda intercepts it and uses it for itself. SWTOR the actual game would never know that you just pressed F1 since it is already assigned as a hotkey in ISBoxer.

Dont mind at all. Hows the baby? Did you mention if it was a boy or a girl? I may have missed that. Is this your first, third? I need details man! LOL.



Thanks so much!

I really can't tell you how nice it is to have people out there, who don't know you, but are willing to help. Humanity is alive!

I'll test it in the morning. It's 11:30am here and was just getting done with dishes, etc.

When you say "I then went to your controls, and changed those too... Home became F1, and Page up became F2." What do you mean exactly? Since F1 and F2 are already bound in game to something are you meaning in game key bindings?

Thanks again!

Mal

Malgor, you're welcome. I personally only ask one thing. Remember this experience when you are boxing a year from now, you're more experienced, and a user needs help. Im sure you know, and its no secret, we boxers have a tough enough time dealing with the uneducated people who rally against us. Love seeing a promotion of brotherhood from our standpoint.

Anyway, Rikers got this nailed. Short version.. wherever you used "Home" and "Page Up" in ISBoxer, I changed them to "F1" and "F2"... I did NOT change the in game Bindings.

Exactly as Riker explained. (great way of looking at it too btw), Since ISBoxer is using F1 and F2 as a hotkey for a swap and key map load, and not an actual "key press" for something in game, then there is no need to change the in game keybinds. Not boxing, there is no ISBoxer. So when you press F1 on your keyboard, SWToR takes that input and uses it for the game... it "knows" what to do with it, because the preset ingame keybinds tell itself that F1 is for Target Party Member 1. However, us boxers, we use multiplexers (ISBoxer) to grab or intercept (I like that word), the key press, and use it... so you could conceivably (for example), set your "B" key in game to something like Jump. without ISBoxer, you press B and he jumps. With ISBoxer, you can write a quick script or mapped key that when you press N, to send B to the game. Now, without actually changing anything in game, when you press N... your guy jumps. Make sense?

Since you are using F6 for TPM1 anyway, (thus freeing up F1... and not to mention its a lot closer to my left hand than Home or Page Up), I decided to use F1 as your player Slot 1 swap and activation. :) Repeat for F2... and Voila! it works.

I noticed that Page Up when I pressed it, would swap screens, but it wasnt loading the correct key maps. When I windowed back to the first toon (because you typically will swap FROM that window), I noticed the chat had scrolled up... Ah-HA! I said.

Tricxy lil devil.


***Edit**
Oh and in case you didnt figure it out already, I changed the Window layout for something a bit more to my liking. Feel free to run the window setup wizard from the top menu bar, and set it back to how you like it. I prefer windows stacked. Since Im not using click to swap anyway, who cares. Besides, I use the other monitor to read www.dual-boxing.com (http://www.dual-boxing.com) forums. :)

[Malgor]

Good Morning!

Well I just got up. Yes I know I slept in - I don't have a baby in the house.

I loaded the ISBoxer profile you had fixed and imported it to Inner Space. The swapping with F1 / F2 works great. I just have to correct the screens because I have two monitors not one.

However acquire target's target still does not work. If I'm on either F1 screen or F2 screen. It just tells whatever screen I'm on that my target doesn't have a target if I'm targeting an NPC. What have I done wrong?

EDIT:

I went into ISBoxer and tried changing the Assist me second action from Target Character Slot:2(Toon B) to all w/o current, but that didn't make it work, so I changed it back.

So am experimenting around in ISBoxer to see why that's not happening.

I added in more DPS keys all the way through 5 and they all work with both toons without repeaters of any kind on, just like they are supposed to work.

It's hard to tell because stuff dies so fast, but I think that when I hit DPS1-5 my second toon automatically is assisting if I've changed targets. Where the acquire target's target is not working is when I initally select a mob that is in front of us and press the ` key. My second window does not pick up that target unless I hit F8 (repeaters all on) then hit ` then turn off repeaters by hitting F8 again. So will try and see why that isn't working.


EDIT 2: I am so stupid!
This is working correctly. I just assumed I wanted to select ` when I don't at all. I just select a mob with my main and hit my attack and with Force Leap they both just jump in. I don't need toon B to have a mob preselected. It's working perfectly!
I went ahead and added in DPS keys 1-9 and = so that I could use my full range of abilities. They all work great.

Thanks again! I'll keep you posed on my progress as I work my way through with these two sentinels!

[Malgor]

Okay am really going now.

Was just barely level 12 30 minutes ago, now level 13 and 2 bubbles.

Thanks again so much for being so patient helping me get these working!

[Apps]

Good Morning!


EDIT 2: I am so stupid!
This is working correctly. I just assumed I wanted to select ` when I don't at all. I just select a mob with my main and hit my attack and with Force Leap they both just jump in. I don't need toon B to have a mob preselected. It's working perfectly!
I went ahead and added in DPS keys 1-9 and = so that I could use my full range of abilities. They all work great.

Thanks again! I'll keep you posed on my progress as I work my way through with these two sentinels!

:) Yanno, I thought about that last night, but I think I was so tired at 2:00 am that I forgot to mention it. Very pleased that you figured it out on your own tho.
Now the fun begins!

Because you are using two melee toons. Why not have a super cool set of dps buttons and add in a "Follow Me" as STEP 2, and use the key to activate STEP 1 when you press the key, and STEP 2 when you release the key? What will happen is, as you spam the key, its attacking with the press, and reorienting with follow upon release of the same key. Awesome huh?

Then you'll wanna start doing multiple key presses with a single DPS key, "round-robin" leaps and stuns, add in click bars for the "oh shit" moments... the list goes on.


Okay am really going now.

Was just barely level 12 30 minutes ago, now level 13 and 2 bubbles.

Thanks again so much for being so patient helping me get these working!

Hey, you're welcome. I havent played SWtor in quite a while. Actually the first time I restarted the game was to test out your setup...lol I had to do 2 decent size patches..lol I may start playing again.

Ya, now that you are all set...

PICS or it DIDNT HAPPEN!


I've never tried to. You might also just try to delete everything but that.

Itll only take me a few minutes to get you a generic setup for two characters.


I need to state, that Riiker was on the right path. Hes really deserves all the credit here. All I did was paraphrase my own write up from months ago..lol Kudos to Riiker.

[Malgor]

Now 14!

Yes Riiker got started on this, but as well expected with the newest of the babies, I'm sure he's pretty busy.

So. A big thanks to Riiker.
A big thanks to you, Apps.

Now I just need to figure out the best DPS line up. And, right now it's not too cumbersome to hit F7 when I want my toon to help me track down those ranged fighters. I try and target the ranged in the group first as we force leap in, so that eliminates one track down.

Thanks again. Off to buy new abilities and the most important - Sprint (run fast always!)!!!

[Malgor]

547

Everything is going well now. As you can see Felton and Welton (twin Jedi sentinels) have just hit 16.

[Riiker]

Awesome! Im really glad to hear that it's working for you.

[Malgor]

It is thanks!

Hit 20 this morning. Now the servers are down.

I'm thinking for my next team doing two Sages one with a healing spec one with dps. I can see doing more things with having two crowd control toons. The sentinels are great, but they don't get a CC until like level 30 and it's droid only.

[Apps]

I use two Sorcerers... and once of them has a split talent tree, 50% in dps and 50% in healing... the other is all out dps. Reason being, IF something stays alive long enough, even with 4 methods of CC between the two, NOT including the tanks, using taunt as a potential temporary CC, then one of the two can throw a fast heal or shield. then stuff dies.

In PvP it really pisses people off when one heals the other, then they focus on the other, then the first one they abandoned, begins healing the one they are now focusing on. LOL. I kept 5 Rebubs busy for a good 2 mins when doing one Warzone.

[OldRod_KS]

I have a two-consular team (one sage/one shadow). They are awesome together. Especially once they both get their Theran companion (around level 24). Using 2 cc abilities, I can take down any HEROIC 4 with no problem :)

[Malgor]

Thanks for responding. I got my two sentinels to 22 today between doing stuff around the house.

I have one 25 Sage, and was thinking about just following a newbie sage around with it until they were the same level.

But, then again, I think I want females this time, TWINS! :)

[Stormfade]

Hey guys, just wanted to say thanks so much for the effort and steps outlined in this post. I picked up a second copy of swtor and even having boxed 6 toons in eq1, I was having trouble getting my duo to act right. I am going to follow this set up to the tee tonight and see if I get better results.

[Apps]

:) Good luck!

[Riiker]

Apps!!!!!! Good to see you!