Boxing melee

[Clovis]

As seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnxfNibACaw

He's controlling the paladin and his 4 enhance shamans act more like pets - sending them off indepedently to attack a target.

How is this done? Is this some varation of interact with target?

Thanks!!

Clovis

[Ualaa]

Essentially yes.
Here's a link to the complete setup for my 1x Paladin (who I drive with 95% of the time) and 4x Death Knight team
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/37658-My-4x-Frost-DK-Paladin-Setup-Based-on-DK-Manifesto

If click to move is enabled.
And you push the IWT keybind.
Toons will move to their target.

With IS Boxer, you can use a predefined group as the target.
You could accomplish the same, by giving melee say "x" as their IWT keybind.
And giving all toons, including melee, the IWT keybind of "y".

You can "imbed" this into your DPS spam.
So it sends the IWT keybind to your melee toons (only), as part of your DPS spam.

Then you have keybinds or mouse areas you click (which broadcast to the targets of your choice) for specials.
And you spam one key, for IWT and your DPS sequence whatever that is...

[EaTCarbS]

Glad you liked my video. It is all Interact with Target and click to move. Awesome stuff.

[Clovis]

I'm using your video as a guide line. I hit 85 on the shamans today and since I was already honor capped and had 170 honor tokens I started off with 4 peices of Enhance gear and 4 peices of holy gear for the Paladin.

I've been setting it up all evening.

One that that just occured to me. How are you healing exactly? I have a 20 key x-key, keyboard and 5 button mouse.

Using IS boxer, if I drive with the paladin the shamans will assist him for everything. That's fine for when I'm telling them to initially attack a target but when I change targets to heal, they'll also change targets to my friendly.

Is there a way to keep them on the target so I can heal independently with the paladin?

Also, do you have to spam the interact with target hotkey or am I missing something? If I don't spam it they start to run off.

Would you mind posting a screen shot of your UI and if you're feeling especially helpful a list of what your UI mods are? :)

[Ualaa]

Using a repeater region, over a Grid/Vuhdo/Healbot frame.
Vuhdo/Healbot are all-in-one solutions.

Grid requires GridCustomLayouts and Clique to interpret the clicks.

Of the three, most seem to choose Grid, but its an aesthetic choice; all three are equally functional.

The important part is to have an identical sort.
With Grid you can have your team alphabetically in the first column, and the raid/battleground alphabetically in the remaining columns.
With Vuhdo/Healbot, it appears you need the whole raid alphabetically or to designate your team as "tanks" or extra units to track separately.

With an identical sort and the frame in the same place...
The repeater region sends the click from the current window, to only the healer's window.
And the healer interprets the clicks as you have them set.



My Custom Layout
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/45580-DK-Team-FINALLY-at-85-and-cruising-through-AV-weekend-)?p=347870#post347870

[Clovis]

I've got grid and clique installed now and set up. Assuming I set up Grid correctly my shamans should always be in the same spot and I can heal them via mousing over the frame.

I set my 3 mouse thumb buttons as big heal, instant heal, fast heal.

That should work.

I found one of Mosg2's tuturial videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd8lOQ5J0AY

I'm watching it for the second time now since it's a little over my head but I really like the idea of having 1 button for spamming DPS. I loved the old /castrandom macro which was available when I originally leveled my shamans to 80. It made running instances a cinch.

Do I have to spam the interact with target hotkey to keep the shamans from running off in different directions or is there a trick to this?


Using a repeater region, over a Grid/Vuhdo/Healbot frame.
Vuhdo/Healbot are all-in-one solutions.

Grid requires GridCustomLayouts and Clique to interpret the clicks.

Of the three, most seem to choose Grid, but its an aesthetic choice; all three are equally functional.

The important part is to have an identical sort.
With Grid you can have your team alphabetically in the first column, and the raid/battleground alphabetically in the remaining columns.
With Vuhdo/Healbot, it appears you need the whole raid alphabetically or to designate your team as "tanks" or extra units to track separately.

With an identical sort and the frame in the same place...
The repeater region sends the click from the current window, to only the healer's window.
And the healer interprets the clicks as you have them set.



My Custom Layout
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/45580-DK-Team-FINALLY-at-85-and-cruising-through-AV-weekend-)?p=347870#post347870 (http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/45580-DK-Team-FINALLY-at-85-and-cruising-through-AV-weekend-%29?p=347870#post347870)

[Clovis]

Quick update:

I think I've figured it out. I had to watch Mosq's video a few times on this particular step but I set up one of my shamans and success.

Basically, when I spam the space bar (it can be anykey, just whatever you want for your "DPS SPAM" key) it interacts with target and cycles randomly through my shaman abilities. Oh, hell yes!

I'm debating if I should take chain lightning out of the rotation because being a random cast its not always going to cast when at full maelstrom weapon charges.

[Ualaa]

Every time you spam IWT, it sends a follow to the target.
And if you're spamming, they'll overrun the target frequently.

In PvP spamming will make them circle the target, which is a huge benefit.
In PvE, press it once and wait for them to close to melee and then spam away (or not), and your toons won't run off.

If you're using IS Boxer, you can imbed your IWT into your melee spam.
So it is automatic sort of.
You're still pushing the key.
My set up has IWT imbedded, but with a toggle to disable it.
http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/34145-Melee?p=312469#post312469

I have the same kind of setup for Death Coil.
Which is far less damage than Frost Strike, for the Runic Power dump.
But is usable at range.
You can toggle on/off any ability that you like using this same method.

[Clovis]

I'm using IS Boxer. I have IWT imbedded into my spam key and it works except one problem that I'm trying to figure out.

It sends the shamans after the wrong target. I'm driving with my paladin and I'll select say one target dummy and then spress my space bar (spam DPS / Interact W/ Target) and it immediately switches to the other training dummy. Same dummy every time. I'm not sure whats causing that.

[Ualaa]

You have roughly double your latency, before a slave toon knows what the master is targeting.
That's a warcraft issue, and no boxing software will solve that.

When you IWT spam, they over-run their targets a little.
The fix is to IWT something closer to you, even a corpse for them to loot.
You can use /Follow, when they start to run off.
Or an independent slave movement key (I have the arrow keys (mimic the Other's Jump mapped key) for slave only movement).

Your "wrong target dummy" could be pathing.
Not sure on that.





For the priority system...

I'd take each of your spells and make them into mapped keys.
So it might be...

No Hotkey
Keystroke Action > Sends Keybind to Warcraft > Target: Your Shaman ActionTargetGroup

Do that for each of the spells you use.

Then have your master spam key.

Do mapped key > FTL Assist Me > Target: Current Window
Do mapped key > General Keymap > Melee IWT > Target: Your Melee toons.
Do Mapped Key > Each of your Spells...

And then make a toggle for the Chain Lightning.
With two steps, one is on and the other is off...
Keymap action > Mapped Key State Action >

That way, you can spam away... and have Chain Lightning when its good.
And not have it, when its bad.

[Clovis]

That's exactly what I did. I pretty much got the targetting issue fixed (the problem was I had interact set to all/other instead of self).


Right now when I press space bar in my chat bar I get a "G" instead and before that it was a double G or a double back space. I'm not sure how to fix that but its something in IS boxer. For the mean time though I've got the shamans set up to randomly cast an ability and change targets. I'm giddy with excitement to send my pack of shamans after test dummies!

[Clovis]

I did a couple of BGs. LOL, it wasn't pretty.

Doing enhance and driving with the pally is a lot different then doing quad ele (and driving with one of the shamans).

The shamans seem to go all over the place after their target dies, I'm wondering if there's a way to improve this. Ie after a target dies they automatically strobe back to me, instead of going off in 4 different directions.

[Ualaa]

I like to have the melee in an action target group, called melee.

To have a mapped key, that sends your IWT keybind to warcraft, using Current Window as the target.

To imbed this IWT keybind into my spam macro, with a target of: The Melee ATG.

In practice, you push the key...
- The melee toons only, do the IWT key, each in their own window... which has them send the keybind to wow.
- None of the other toons send the IWT.
- Plus you can create a two-step toggle to enable/disable the melee IWT mapped key, to toggle auto IWT on and off.




If pushing the space bar is the cause, look through your Profile in the Tookit, for something that triggers off of pushing the space bar.
It might not be direct, you could do three mapped keys from the spacebar push.
And one of those could be doing the G's.

But it will be something linked to the space bar push.




If you don't have a lot of PvP gearing to start with...
It will be rough initially.

On my druid team, without PvP gear (was going Resto)... a solo horde could consistently take out the entire team.
And that's with healers who in equal gear can basically stand there and outheal 2-3 players who go the straight damage route.
And I had five healers.

With the Pally/DK's, that wasn't the case because I had more Conquest (4.1 gear) than Honor gear.
And had shelved them (and Warcraft) for all of 4.2, meaning I essentially had a set of Honor gearing from the previous season.
Immediately, the team could take on larger numbers.

Just like the Pally/DK's, once the Druid team had close to full Honor gearing, they were a force... despite being 5x Healers.

It might be a bit painful initially, but go with the Weekend bonus honor battleground.
And if that's not available then either IoC or AV (and even go AV, when another BG is the bonus honor weekend BG).
Until you have full honor gear, Honor is the priority.
Start with the two-minute click trinket.
Then get yourself the two-piece set bonus for your class.
If the Glove extra ability is at all useful for your spec, have that as one of the pieces.
Get the Helm fairly soon too, as that has the Meta socket in it.
After that, pick up whatever pieces will allow you to activate your Meta gem.
Your honor gear will be with you for quite a while, but it is not your final piece... so it is worth reforging, socketing and enchanting; depending on your resources, you might skip very expensive enchants for lesser enchants that are still effective.

Once you have honor gear in most/all slots...
Consider Arena as an option, along with the Random Battleground.
Plus whatever the weekend bonus honor BG is.
All will award Conquest Points, which is superior gear.
The priority will be 7,800 points earnt (don't bank points beyond 4,000, as you don't earn more and the lost points don't count towards the 7,800) which can be spent anywhere.
But around 3500-4000 points spent, start to save the points so you can immediately purchase the Conquest Main-Hand weapons (including healer weapon) ideally at the point where you have 7800 earnt you also have just enough to buy those pieces.

[Clovis]

Thanks for all of the tips and advice!

I have 4 piece honor set on each toon which was from carried over honor and wintersgrasp tokens, but level 81ish blue daggers/axes that I picked up while running instances.

I seem to have just about everything fixed and working properly. After last night I was thinking maybe I made a mistake going enhance and spending all of my saved honor on that gear because 1 horde can kill me and I have a hard time killing even just 1 horde but I thought back to 3 years ago when I first hit 80 on my Ele team and it was the same thing. I died quickly and did very little damage until I started getting some decent gear upgrades.

I'm having a hard time playing the paladin and the shamans, probably because I'm not used to it. I had a little bit better success going with just the 4 shamans. I'll stick with it and see how it develops.

Since they took out the abilty to put delay in macros via /castsequence reset=5 ,,tremor totem -- is there a way to do this through IS Boxer?

A couple of years ago when I dropped my tremor totem for example, I spaced them out so they pulsed at different times. The end result was a max fear of 1-2 seconds. Now I seem to be getting hit with nearly the full duration even with tremor down.

[shadewalker]

Since they took out the abilty to put delay in macros via /castsequence reset=5 ,,tremor totem -- is there a way to do this through IS Boxer?

A couple of years ago when I dropped my tremor totem for example, I spaced them out so they pulsed at different times. The end result was a max fear of 1-2 seconds. Now I seem to be getting hit with nearly the full duration even with tremor down.

Look for round robin so each key press only activates one totem. Tremor totems now act like trinkets, they no longer pulse. So what you have is 4 cc break abilities on cool down not counting your trinkets.

[Clovis]

Oh that is cool! I saw round robin but I didn't know what it was for. I've got it set up for my tremors now, thanks!
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After playing enhance all day I don't think I like it. My shamans are constantly running off cliffs and getting stuck so I went back to elemental which is what I'm familiar with. The downside is that I spent about 10,000 honor on enhance PvP gear and another 5000g on gems and enchants. The gold I don't care about but I really wish I could get a refund on the gear!

On the bright side I'm learning things about IS Boxer that I never knew it could do and it's Isle of Conquest weekend.

[Ualaa]

There are two options to round-robin, within IS Boxer.

You can put your Shaman characters into an Action Target Group, called Shaman.
Making several relevant ATG's is a good idea.
I have one for Healers, another for Melee, another for DK's, another for toons that will do a Ground Click/Target spell on the Shift A keybind, etc...




You can do a warcraft macro action, or a keystroke action (that sends the keybind for Tremor Totem to warcraft), and use your Shaman ATG as the target.
Then just check the box that says to round-robin, within the target group.




You can also give your mapped key more than one Step.
A step is a different result on subsequent presses of the same key.
After the last step executes, it automatically moves back to the first step.

On each step, you would have one shaman with the macro action or keystroke action for Tremor Totem.
So four steps for four shaman.

You have a few extra options, such as limiting the step so no matter how you spam, it cannot advance to the next step for x.x seconds.
You can also check a box, so it will only trigger once... if the box is not checked, and you're on a GCD when you reach this step, that keybind might be sent several times, which can be a good thing.
For example, do not advance for at least 1.5 seconds, without the trigger once...
Now you can spam your Tremor Key, and once it drops stop spamming... and basically not drop 2-3 of your Tremors at once.

In the advanced tab, you have options like:
- Reset to Step 1, after x.x seconds:
---- From the First Press
---- From the Last/Most Recent Press
---- From when it advanced to Step 2.

You can get creative with that....
Round-robin an effect like Heroism, and auto reset to the first toon after enough seconds that Heroism is once more available.

[Clovis]

I've started incorporating the round robin feature into a lot of my macros - tremor, thunderstorm, ect. Works great, thanks for the tip!

[sethlan]

nice vid, yeah Tremor totem is a must agaist , damn fears :)

[Clovis]

Quick update - I've got my shamans in their full Honor gear (ele) and enchants. They're quite a force to be recon with now all though I still get swarmed by melee. Just like in Wrath I'm a huge target to be controlled/killed quickly. I'm still curious about enhancement so I'm going to continue to grind honor to get the enhancement set. So far I've got the 4 piece and weapons but I wont try it again until I'm ready to rock and roll.