OT: WoW IronMan

[JohnGabriel]

Have you heard about the WoW Ironman competition?

http://www.wowironman.com/

Its listed on the game launcher, pseudo-supported by Blizzard.

[valkry]

Yea, looks intense, but from what I gathered, you ARE allowed to wear BoAs?

[zenga]

no you are not

[JohnGabriel]

No BoAs, nothing but white and grey items.

There are questions about whether you can do this past BC content. And its somewhat easy to cheat, so dont assume all the leaders arent.

Consider it a personal challenge only I would imagine.

[valkry]

h, they have updated it since the last time i read about it

[Ñightsham]

Word has it there could be an achievement for this as well. :)

[lans83]

Only then, and even a title, will I take the time to try this myself. Tho to get an achievement for the rules they set for the challenge in itself would be a hassle to code to make sure people don't cheat or find ways around the rules.

[Ashley]

Only then, and even a title, will I take the time to try this myself. Tho to get an achievement for the rules they set for the challenge in itself would be a hassle to code to make sure people don't cheat or find ways around the rules.

Wouldn't be that hard to code imho.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/earthen-ring/Ironmintwo/statistic#122

[Ughmahedhurtz]

WTB wow armory "SELECT * FROM 'players' WHERE 'stat_deaths' LIKE '0';"

[zenga]

WTB wow armory "SELECT * FROM 'players' WHERE 'stat_deaths' LIKE '0';"

AND lvl > 1

[JohnGabriel]

You can cheat by wearing greens, but then swapping them out for greys/whites before you log out (thats when the armory is updated). I think technically you can wear up to blues without updating any statistics that matter, you cant ever equip an epic, for example, but anything else is fine.

[Zub]

Can't you be boosted as well? (haven't read all the rules)
I mean many of us have reached 60/70+ in starter gear with no death

[lans83]

You can cheat by wearing greens, but then swapping them out for greys/whites before you log out (thats when the armory is updated). I think technically you can wear up to blues without updating any statistics that matter, you cant ever equip an epic, for example, but anything else is fine.


Can't you be boosted as well? (haven't read all the rules)
I mean many of us have reached 60/70+ in starter gear with no death

Exactly. There's always someone that'll find a way to cheat this system unless the coding for the achievements is done right to prevent this. There was a "Hell Mode" challenge much like this in the past, but from what I remember, the only challenge was that you couldn't die before reaching the top level in the game, 80 was the cap back then. Sure, I could do this challenge myself, but it would take forever compared to my current style now, but easily doable. All you'd have to do is grind the hell out of world mobs, being very careful not to take on more than what you can handle. Hardest part would be doing this on a PvP server, that right there would really be the challenge as gankers would be on the rise to make this task seemingly impossible.

[Gomotron]

FYI the stat tracker also tracks the number of kills and killing blows, so if someone were to research your character, it would be fairly obvious if you were boosted, given that you would have an insane number of kills and a very low number of killing blows.

[Zub]

FYI the stat tracker also tracks the number of kills and killing blows, so if someone were to research your character, it would be fairly obvious if you were boosted, given that you would have an insane number of kills and a very low number of killing blows.
fair enough, but you could be healing instances for example.
Then again, it's just a question of setting the rules correctly at the start.

[Pazgaz]

You just need to reach a point where you can start doing dailies.
You could then level all the way without risk (will take ages though).

[Peli]

AND lvl > 10
FTFY. Things don't even start to get hairy until you're out of the starting zones, with all the mobs being yellow and they are tuned to be easily killed by players in all white or grey gear anyways.

[JohnGabriel]

I suggest using a melee or hunter if doing this challenge. Without the use of stat increasing gear, casters aren't going to have enough mana to be able to kill much.

I am leveling a druid for the challenge. At level 16 I don't have enough mana to kill one mob, have to switch to kitty.

[traedoril]

fair enough, but you could be healing instances for example.
Then again, it's just a question of setting the rules correctly at the start.

The rules specifically stat you cannot do instances.

[valkry]

fair enough, but you could be healing instances for example.
Then again, it's just a question of setting the rules correctly at the start.

You arent allowed to do instances, it's in the rules. Not allowed to be boosted either.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

There's always someone that'll find a way to cheat this system unless the coding for the achievements is done right to prevent this.
Sad but true.

[UniBoxer]

It says 'no groups' or assistance from any characters not in your group.

It'd be fairly simple to roll 5 hunters, set the slaves on a delay for their abilities and then just run around farming trash.

There'd be no way to tell other than low KBs, but you could work that out as well if you timed things correctly.

Or roll a hunter and 4 warriors and have them on 'shoot', so they all have to be instructed to 'shoot' again on a mob



I'm still of the opinion that 'IRONMAN' is just a waste of time for people who are bored with the game and are too poor to multibox :P For all the slack and abuse we get on youtube, reddit and WoW forums, solo players attempting this challenge as an attempt to 'make the game fun' or 'for a challenge' are the real losers with no life and too much money :P

[JohnGabriel]

It says 'no groups' or assistance from any characters not in your group.

It'd be fairly simple to roll 5 hunters, set the slaves on a delay for their abilities and then just run around farming trash.


I've seen many failed (denoted by the red X by the name) attempts from this. They check your number of kills, and your number of killing blows. Both are listed in statistics and should be fairly close together. When in a group of 5, whether grouped or 5 solos together, you'll only be getting 1/5th of the killing blows.

My killing blows and kills do not match, but close enough not to have failed. Because its easy to die I stay close to town so I can run back and have the guards kill the mobs if I get overwhelmed. That gives the guards the killing blow.

They also expect a certain number of kills per level, to catch people using RAF or heirlooms.



I'm still of the opinion that 'IRONMAN' is just a waste of time for people who are bored with the game and are too poor to multibox :P For all the slack and abuse we get on youtube, reddit and WoW forums, solo players attempting this challenge as an attempt to 'make the game fun' or 'for a challenge' are the real losers with no life and too much money :P


You seem to be insulting the ironman challengers the same way regular players insult multiboxers.

[Zub]

I wonder how many will fail because of the Fel Reavers or the Shattrath Elevators.. now that would piss me off

[MiRai]

I wonder how many will fail because of the Fel Reavers or the Shattrath Elevators.. now that would piss me off
I predict that there will be holes created in walls that will need to patched up.

[UniBoxer]

You seem to be insulting the ironman challengers the same way regular players insult multiboxers.

Sorry if that came across as hipocritical.

In my opinion, the ultimate form of playing WoW is by multiboxing. It takes advantage of everything on offer and works to achieve perfection by fine tuning of classes and timing of abilities.

The 'ironman' challenge does precisely the opposite. It seeks to provide a challenge by taking away everything that is on offer in the game. Removing dungeons, BGs, groups, gearing incentives etc.

I don't see how you could group the two as similar modes of providing a new challenge to an old game. They are as far apart as is possible.

I stand by my statement about 'Ironman challengers'. It seems in the attempt to preserve the one 'in-life' game, they throw away the 'outside' one :P



I'd also like to see the 'Ironman' challenge rules changed so that it cannot be achieved by having a pet. Any class with a pet (lock, hunter, DK, shaman elementals, mage) has a huge advantage in preserving their one life over any other class. They should include 'pet deaths' in the 'death count'

[Ughmahedhurtz]

They should include 'pet deaths' in the 'death count'
Considering how buggy pet aggro and go/stay/recall mechanics are, I can't see how this would work. At all.

[Zub]

Considering how buggy pet aggro and go/stay/recall mechanics are, I can't see how this would work. At all.

He's got a point tho, hunters and locks for example have a pocket tank they can sacrifice when shit hits the fan.

*That said*, rogues will be able to vanish in most cases, mages invis, and others might be able to heal through.
And the rest will have to manage with the abilities of their class.

I guess the big question if you decide to take this challenge it to know which class you feel confortable to work with.
I would definitely consider hunters as they are very strong in PVE survival (pet + FD) but no heals.
Stealth is a big one as well, so maybe a Night Elf (sigh..)

All things said, i would probably go Druid. Tank form / stealth / Lots-a-Hots / instant flight form / dash / ..

Plates classes are a bit moot because with no gear they lack where they should be the strongest

[UniBoxer]

He's got a point tho, hunters and locks for example have a pocket tank they can sacrifice when shit hits the fan.

*That said*, rogues will be able to vanish in most cases, mages invis, and others might be able to heal through.
And the rest will have to manage with the abilities of their class.

All things said, i would probably go Druid. Tank form / stealth / Lots-a-Hots / instant flight form / dash / ..

Plates classes are a bit moot because with no gear they lack where they should be the strongest

Exactly.Hunters and locks do have that pocket tank. Lets not forget that the main advantage to wearing anything above white/grey gear is to boost your stats to increase either your survivability (plate classes/tanks), dps (clothies / casters) or both (leather/mail).

The white/grey gear on a hunter won't really affect anything but their damage output as their pet will be the thing being beaten on, not them.

Another advantage hunters have is that if they make a mistake and pull too many mobs or agro something, their pet can take a death for them while they have the chance to escape.

I acknowledge the bugginess with pet mechanics, hence why I suggested disqualifying their classes completely from the contest as it can't be measured accurately.

For proof of just how OP pet classes will be in this kind of contest, check out the leaderboards.

http://www.wowironman.com/

Of the top 21 that haven't been disqualified, only two of them are non-pet classes (Warrior/Rogue)

Maybe there should be two separate awards : Ironman and Ironpet ?

[Gomotron]

Exactly.Hunters and locks do have that pocket tank. Lets not forget that the main advantage to wearing anything above white/grey gear is to boost your stats to increase either your survivability (plate classes/tanks), dps (clothies / casters) or both (leather/mail).

The white/grey gear on a hunter won't really affect anything but their damage output as their pet will be the thing being beaten on, not them.

Another advantage hunters have is that if they make a mistake and pull too many mobs or agro something, their pet can take a death for them while they have the chance to escape.

I acknowledge the bugginess with pet mechanics, hence why I suggested disqualifying their classes completely from the contest as it can't be measured accurately.

For proof of just how OP pet classes will be in this kind of contest, check out the leaderboards.

http://www.wowironman.com/

Of the top 21 that haven't been disqualified, only two of them are non-pet classes (Warrior/Rogue)

Maybe there should be two separate awards : Ironman and Ironpet ?

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but these folks have decided to play WoW using a different ruleset that they have agreed upon. Is it pointless? Absolutely. But so is WoW in general.

If you want to criticize their rules, why don't you just go over to their thread and flame away? I'm just not sure why you felt so STRONGLY about this particular issue that you had to create a new account to post on this thread on a board where there are perhaps 2-3 people actually trying to do this challenge.

In the meantime, I would suggest that you take a deep breath and just let them have their fun.

[JohnGabriel]

I am doing the challenge, but should note even to me its not that fun. But getting bored with multiboxing as well, so maybe I just need a break.

I play the ironman toon from time to time, but I'm not really that into it. Its just something else to do.

I created him on a realm I dont have any other toons on, reduces the temptation to cheat.

[smalltanker]

I have been in this challenge since the 1st Thread to the 3rd. Lots of deaths. It is a decent challenge to just do it in white/grey gear with no specs. I have thought of boxing it but the no group thing gets you.

I also did a new realm new toon to eliminate any chance of me hooking up a toon with bags, gold, etc... it is a challenge. I was pissed I lost a level 25 toon to latency/DC ... uggh... fun times as it brings it back to more of the orginal feel of WOW.

[JohnGabriel]

I have been in this challenge since the 1st Thread to the 3rd. Lots of deaths. It is a decent challenge to just do it in white/grey gear with no specs. I have thought of boxing it but the no group thing gets you.

I also did a new realm new toon to eliminate any chance of me hooking up a toon with bags, gold, etc... it is a challenge. I was pissed I lost a level 25 toon to latency/DC ... uggh... fun times as it brings it back to more of the orginal feel of WOW.

Lucky for me the only bad thing so far was at level 10 or so I had a disconnect right when I was fighting a mob. If I was higher level such as 40 or so, that would have been too much to die from that.

[Zub]

hoping to see your names on that wowironman list soon ;-)

[zenga]

I did it properly the other day: rolled for my server, rolled for race and rolled for class ... night elf rogue on a german realm. Couldn't be any worse for me, so I wisely decided to pass.