Making money

[Xraptorx]

I just dinged 85 and have the following professions maxed on active chars:

Enchanting and mining
jewelcrafting
inscription and herbalism
tailoring and skinning


On 2 other chars, I have alchemy leveled to max.
I just downloaded tradeskill master and will configure and play with it, but wondering if there is some general advice on how to make money given my professions and 5 boxing capabilities :cool:

I do not have the riding skill trained for super fast mounts yet (280 or 310%) and could use some money. My average ilev is around 360 on the chars. Not yet enough for LFR.

So what is the best way to make the 25,000 gold needed to train the higher level riding skills?

[smalltanker]

If you like to PVP you can sell greater celestial essences (400 honor) for generally around 89-120 gold depending on your server. I sell 50-100 a week on mine from doing my daily random BG (500 honor) and any weekend BGs. Just something to think about if you are capped for honor already. If you are a PVEer you can sell JP and VP BOE items. So make sure you do your RDF each week on each toon.

[Ualaa]

I'll second that.

I've made close to 70K so far, on the Greater Celestial Essences.



Long term, you want Alchemy and/or Tailoring (but Alchemy is King) on every character.
Because of the passive daily transmute.

In the current expansion, level them up to 75th level.
And get their Alchemy to the point where they can do Transmute Elements.
Park most of the team at the Pinnacle summoning stone, in Uldum.
Have one member (same account as your AH toon) in Org/SW and bound there.
Buy Volatile Life (the cheapest) in 75's (15 per toon, 5 toons per team = 75 per team), and mail to the toon in SW/Org.
Log that toon in, retrieve the mail, have the toons at the stone summon them, distribute the Volatile Life.
Mouse broadcast, to have them all do the transmute at the same time (in Uldum, you always get Volatile Air, which is the most valuable Volatile).
Trade back to the SW/Org toon, and have only that toon hearth home.
Mail the Volatile Air to the AH toon.

With 37 alchemists, in two and a half months (just over an hour per day), I made 800,000 gold.

Every expansion there's something similar.

[Akoko]

Buy ore. Prospect on all toons at once, profit :P

[JohnGabriel]

Just run through heroics, disenchant the loot, sell on AH.

[EaTCarbS]

Just run through heroics, disenchant the loot, sell on AH.

Use Potion of Treasure Finding.

[Shodokan]

Sell mounts from the current event.... 900k in a week so far.

[Pazgaz]

Sell mounts from the current event.... 900k in a week so far.

You should really hold on to them. Sell them in a month or so instead.

[Shodokan]

You should really hold on to them. Sell them in a month or so instead.

In a month their value will only go up about 10k or so... and most people seem to be holding them. At about 14k gold an hour i can't really see not selling them to hit a mill.

[Xraptorx]

What ore is best for prospecting? Should I then sell raw gems or cut them ( I do not have any super great cuts).

Which epics are worth running through for both money and justice badges. Not sure if my team will be successful with only ilevel gear of 366 or so.
Finally with only 2 alchemists, I will check prices and profit for the transmutes

[Xraptorx]

Bolt of embersilk will cost me 33 not sure chaos orb cost, but powerful enchanted spell thread will sell for 350

Volitile life will cost me 5 and volatile air will sell for 9. So I will make 4g profit per transmute.

It seems slower profit than running heroics if I am geared for it

[Oatboat]

You can make decent money at lower levels now by selling the Dark Faire items that drop on last bosses of instances. 350+ gold on grimore and weapon, egg and shard are only about 100-250g on my server. They seem to drop pretty regularly aslong as you've visited the fair and gotten the adventurers journal.

[Peli]

Bolt of embersilk will cost me 33 not sure chaos orb cost, but powerful enchanted spell thread will sell for 350

Volitile life will cost me 5 and volatile air will sell for 9. So I will make 4g profit per transmute.

It seems slower profit than running heroics if I am geared for it

If you're a transmute master (you *ARE* a transmute master, right?), your procs are your golden goose. That is 100% pure profit.

[SaraiE]

What I do is to do dailies at FL: The first four quests, 10 minutes max per team if no gankers are active (i am on pvp server). Four teams @ 5 toons. 1.3K and very good way to level the guild itself. My guild is level 7 now and it is really quick. But alchemy transmute is the way to go. My armies is at 17 xmutes, and one of each of the others (potion and exilir/flask). I have another set coming up, I did these to xmute before the change in the training of specialties: train potion, go to botanica or however you spelled it, to get the book, and drop the potion, relearn xmute: cheap way to do it back then.

Or, have a team of tailors, my lock team are all tailors, or one tailor in your team, and do NOT phase out of the questline "Easy Picking". That is after you get out of the red dragon place and your are trying to open up Grim Batol. That place is phased, not completion (edit: competition, not competion) and ganking, if you don't complete it, you are save to kill humanoids twilight. With potion of treasure finding, and tailor extra cloth, you get alot of cloths. My server is 3golds per cloth, after 1hour, I have 30-40 stacks of embersilk cloth bolts worth, plus all the greens and some blues (recipe and items). and if you use the potion of treasure finding, you get golds and ores and volatiles (i average 20-30 tiny chests). And I do this very slowly....other faster fingers or more powerful dps can kill faster, my lock team is two dots: agony and corruption + five pets). Run up and loot....

SaraiE

[Ualaa]

Bolt of embersilk will cost me 33 not sure chaos orb cost, but powerful enchanted spell thread will sell for 350

Volitile life will cost me 5 and volatile air will sell for 9. So I will make 4g profit per transmute.

It seems slower profit than running heroics if I am geared for it


You're actually converting 15x Life into 15x Air, which is a 4x15 = 60g profit per toon.
On my server, the difference between the two is more than 4 gold, even at this late stage of the expansion.

Let's assume 60g per toon is correct, for your server.
That is 300g per team, for 3 minutes of your time.

Sure, you might spend another 10 minutes...
Five times over the day, in 2 minute increments, listing a portion of your stock.

I don't know how many toons you have at 75+.
I personally have 37 transmute-spec alchemists.
If I was on your server, that's 37 x 60 = 2,220g a day...
The actual transmute time, for that many is about an hour of logging teams on, trading mats, mailing back and forth.
But its still a passive 2K gold a day...

You can farm if you want, including running heroics.
Not sure that you'll be making 2K in the first hour of the heroics...
If you are, then maybe the alchemy isn't that good.
If you aren't, then the alchemy is great...

And you can still run the heroics...

[JohnGabriel]

What ore is best for prospecting? Should I then sell raw gems or cut them ( I do not have any super great cuts).

Which epics are worth running through for both money and justice badges. Not sure if my team will be successful with only ilevel gear of 366 or so.
Finally with only 2 alchemists, I will check prices and profit for the transmutes

Just run regular dungeons until you are geared enough to run the new twilight heroics. The cata heroics are not worth running.

[Toned]

In a month their value will only go up about 10k or so... and most people seem to be holding them. At about 14k gold an hour i can't really see not selling them to hit a mill.

How much are you selling them for?

On my server I see them in trade for 5-7k

[lans83]

I've learned a while back how to control listings on the AH for certain items. I'd buy out anything under a set amount, turn around then relist them for my target amount I want to sell them for and bank the profits. Works best if there's not thousands of said item listed constantly, but maybe a few. Really works out well in my favor for the rare items and mats.

I try to relist what doesn't sell every 48 hrs or so and try to keep an eye on certain items every chance I get, but if I can buy out enough, say elementium ore even 1g cheaper per ore than what I normally sell for, I'll spend the extra gold to buy out that ore/stack and bank that extra 1g/20g. I've even been able to snatch up copper ore/bars for a few copper, then turn around and sell for a few gold each.

I've found that on my server, more and more people are dropping gathering professions and picking up crafting ones to max out their dps for raids. Might be the same on some of yours. It's worth checking out cause alot of the Vanilla/BC ore/herbs are hard to come by now cause most people don't take the time to farm for them, or only farm what they need personally.

Look into running the Vanilla/BC raids too each week. The ones that don't require 20+ people to clear. Or, farm those that can be soloed/MBed up till the last bosses. You can still make alot of gold from trash and old patterns that are not BoP. Alot of the purple patterns from BC go for thousands of gold on my server, tho not sure how often they sell for these listings, as I'm not one that sells them. If I think it's worth the buy, then I'll pay 1k gold at the most for it, depending on what the model looks like.

Think of those that are heavy RPers and into Transmog. Ask around on your server also if any of these same people might have their own ingame shop, or open up your own if you are heavy into gathering crafting patterns, such as Blacksmithing, Tailoring, and Leatherworking gear. I have started this myself, but have not opened up my own shop. There is someone on my server that does it, tho I haven't caught their guildname/storename. I've seen them advertise about a month ago but didn't think then to write down their info, I also haven't been on much since cause my computer crashed on me shortly after.

There are also many Vanilla/BC blue/purple items you can craft, if you have the patterns, mostly rare ones, or have crafted for you for a small fee, that you can then turn around and sell on the AH. Check around and see about these also, AckisRecipe List is an addon I use that's helpful for looking to see what is in game, as well as what used to be that's no longer obtainable ingame, but once learned is still there. Look for the mats for these items, then craft, or have them crafted, and try to resell them for a profit above what you buy the mats for. Or if you're not against farming, you'll make more if you farm, but it's up to you.

Don't discredit Vanilla dungeons for quick cash either. With a well geared 80+ you can plow through them with ease, not even that high really. Consider Enchanting on atleast one toon in each team you make to Disenchant what you don't want to sell on the AH. But be careful with doing this also, I've netted ALOT of gold from selling rare blues/purples from Vanilla and BC zones I've either found while playing, or found on the AH and relisted for more. Even still after all these years, people still don't know how to utilize the AH from the right items. On that list of old raids tho, if you don't clear all the bosses in Kara, you can work on the trash, let them reset, then farm them over and over. That's alot of humanoids in there that drop alot of silver/gold and cloth.

[Ualaa]

Holy wall of text.
Could you please use some spaces...

Pretty sure there will be some good information in there somewhere :)

[alcattle]

not sure why these walls are showing up, and it is on other forums. It must be a browser handling text poorly, as I can't believe people white like this on purpose. Could you tell us your browser? (lans83) this time but not limited to you.

[hannibal]

The popular transmog sets can sell pretty good, depending on your server. I sold over 2k worth of vanilla greens today. Most selling for several 100 each.

What I normally do is camp the rare spawns in vanilla with my alts. I'm actually trying to farm the overlord plate set, but end up getting tons of other drops that I just throw on the AH. Burning steppes and tanaris both are pretty good. Also, in winter spring, up north there is a spot you can put an alt where 2 diff rare tigers spawn. Just log in your alts a couple times a day and kill the rares.

I was doing this on a low pop server, so there was always lots of rares up when I checked. Sometimes 6 or 7 in one zone. I'm now on a high pop server, so it will be interesting to see the difference.

And of course running old raids and dungeons for transmog gear works too. For me this is the only bad thing about transmog, is that I now feel compelled to loot everything.

[JohnGabriel]

Everything is formatted fine for me. Using FireFox.

[Khatovar]

Everything is formatted fine for me. Using FireFox.


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It's fine because I live to serve.

[lans83]

Sorry about that guys, I'm to blame for the WoT :/ I've just got a bad habit of not hitting the Enter button to drop down a paragraph, cause I'm used to messenger programs instantly sending the text when I hit it. I'll try to cut down on that from here on out. Another helpful way to make money I've found, selling the highest iLvl gear for a level bracket you can get your hands on.

ie: lvl 60, 70, 80 gear of the highest BoE you can find or craft. Depending on the server, Twinks are still very much alive and looking for the BiS gear they can get. I like the level 80 gear personally for my own twinks. Just recently took my rogue from 80 to 85 for the new daggers, but for a while, he was my lvl 80 twink for RDF. Once the patch came out for the daggers, I decided to level him up, but the other reason was cause he was pulling so much dps, the level 80-82 tanks I was always running with couldn't hold aggro. Even after the threat adjustments.

Level 80 Priests with XP cut off in 308 gear are freakin awesome tho. Especially the Disc/Holy specced ones. My Disc Priest could spam the hell out of Prayer of Healling (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=596) and still not go OOM. Only time I'd ever have to stop and drink for mana was after an unexpected wipe, this was mostly due to a tank rushing ahead on a boss without me and or the dps ready. I was even able to keep a pug pally tank alive through a Throne of the Tides pug that was in nothing but cloth/mail healing/dps greens. Don't ask, but tanks that day were too hard to come by and I just wanted to get through that pug and get out. He hardly took any damage at all only cause I kept him bubbled and HoTs on him and the group at all times.

[Ualaa]

It's fine because I live to serve.

All the work done by yourself and the other mods is appreciated :)

[Xraptorx]

I am keen to try a 5 man via boxing. Which ones are worth it for getting BOE loot or D/E Loot and are easy to box as 5 man DK + Pally?

[Pazgaz]

A lot of the more veteran boxers speak about their army of alchemists. I guess it's good for money making, but how the hell did you level their alchemy? Doesn't that take a lot of money? :)

[Peli]

A lot of the more veteran boxers speak about their army of alchemists. I guess it's good for money making, but how the hell did you level their alchemy? Doesn't that take a lot of money? :)

My 5 man team dinged 85 with a combined 20k gold (thanks mainly to quest rewards, as I quested almost exclusively while leveling). With 20k gold you could easily powerlevel 2 or 3 alchemists from level 1 to 485 - the rank you need to do that volatile xmutes, especially if you're on a server with a good auction economy and low herb prices.

[Pazgaz]

Well, my alt guild has about 20k in its bank + 5 love is in the air mounts. I guess that should get a few up :)

[lans83]

I've got 10 toons on one server, playing with only one account right now, and I have barely over 30k across all 10 toons right now. Relying on the AH for herbs is not always a good idea to do. I tried this at first for my Alchemist and on Earthen Ring-US, it sucked. I was left with having to level up my own Herbalist to get some of the more common plants, cause since the LFD tool, hardly anyone ventures out to farm these old world ones. If you're left doing this, Stranglekelp is alot easier to farm from Thousand Needles now if you finish out the questline to get the scuba gear and underwater walking. Unless you use a druid of coarse. But the boat mount from that same quest line is fun to play with too.

[Ualaa]

A lot of the more veteran boxers speak about their army of alchemists. I guess it's good for money making, but how the hell did you level their alchemy? Doesn't that take a lot of money? :)

At the point I decided to go Alchemy...
I had three sets of five toons at 80th level (and 80th was the cap).

I ran Daily Quests with three teams, for a week or so.
And used the proceeds to purchase Herbs on the auction house.
And basically power leveled my Alchemy.

I ended up parking some Herbalist toons in various places, as the AH was short on some herbs.
I had a Druid off the coast of Westfall, for harvesting Stranglekelp underwater.
I had a Hunter in The Hinterlands, for Sungrass.
And I believe a toon in Western/Eastern Plaguelands, for any of the higher herbs.

After a week of dailies on three toons, that was getting exceedingly boring.
So I scaled back to two teams.
And did Alchemy transmutes, with each toon that had a high enough skill to do whatever the money maker was (I think epic gems).
Eventually, transmutes were more gold per day than dailies... at which point I ditched the dailies and leveled the remaining alchemists entirely on transmute profits.

[MiRai]

I've got 10 toons on one server, playing with only one account right now, and I have barely over 30k across all 10 toons right now. Relying on the AH for herbs is not always a good idea to do. I tried this at first for my Alchemist and on Earthen Ring-US, it sucked. I was left with having to level up my own Herbalist to get some of the more common plants, cause since the LFD tool, hardly anyone ventures out to farm these old world ones. If you're left doing this, Stranglekelp is alot easier to farm from Thousand Needles now if you finish out the questline to get the scuba gear and underwater walking. Unless you use a druid of coarse. But the boat mount from that same quest line is fun to play with too.
Sounds like you need to find someone who supplies Profession Leveling Kits (http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1820953854). That's just an
example but, many people do this on a plethora of realms in all regions. What you can find
on your AH is completely dependent on how active and progressed your realm actually is.
Obviously, higher populated realms have a healthier economy.

[Khatovar]

A lot of the more veteran boxers speak about their army of alchemists. I guess it's good for money making, but how the hell did you level their alchemy? Doesn't that take a lot of money? :)

That's why I always level up herbalism and store the herbs. If I plan on having an alchemist, I have all the mats I need. If I don't, I can make a good bit of money selling the herbs.

[Pazgaz]

I don't really quest, so gathering the herbs myself is not an option.
I wonder if there's a kit vendor on Silvermoon-EU...

[Peli]

I don't really quest, do gathering the herbs myself is not an option.
I wonder if there's a kit vendor on Silvermoon-EU...

I've found the easiest thing to do is to run dungeons for cloth and green drops. DE the greens and sell the enchanting mats and the cloth items on the AH. I've made over 1000g already on my Magtheridon team (level 45) by playing the AH a bit and just selling all the cloth that I got (SM has insane cloth drop rates and mageweave sells for about 20g a stack).

[Pazgaz]

There's no way I'll be able to do it on my server (Silvermoon-EU) without herbing myself it seems.
Prices for "old" herbs are retarded + there are not even close to enough of them on the AH. No one responded for my post on my realm forums about purchasing leveling kits.

[Palee]

Sell mounts from the current event.... 900k in a week so far.

OMG dude, what mounts?

[MiRai]

OMG dude, what mounts?
Um...

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46508-So-how-many-of-the-love-mounts-you-sold-so-far

[Shodokan]

I'm down to 400k now after buying gems and a bunch of other things, About to level alch/jc either go back to farming cloth for 5-6k an hour or prospecting a lot.

[lans83]

On Earthen Ring-US the Maeltrom Crystals are still goin for anywhere between 200-400g each, depending on the day and Heavenly Shards for 125g each. Greater Celestial Essences for around 150g minimum, so if you can gear up a team in all the 378 gear from the HoT randoms, most can be from the quests in there, then you can Disenchant all other gear that you don't need, getting atleast 4 of the crystals on each run plus the essences/shards from greens/blues. All else fails, you can farm JPs along side that and buy up and DE the cheapest JP gear you can get too for more crystals. Relics/Wands/Thrown usually only cost around 700JPs and you can get half that from one random.

[Xraptorx]

Cool I can try that method. Seems that my dk team is not so good at boxing dungeons. Or maybe that is just me :)

I will finish leveling my shammy team and see if they are better at pve

[JohnGabriel]

Cool I can try that method. Seems that my dk team is not so good at boxing dungeons. Or maybe that is just me :)

I will finish leveling my shammy team and see if they are better at pve

I don't think you will be able to run dungeons with an all-dk or all-shaman team. Not really possible to run current level dungeons without a tank and a healer. Once you have your all-shaman team at 85 just swap one out as a healer in your dk team.

[Pazgaz]

You can actually have 2 teams:
1 dk tank, 1 shaman healer and 3 shaman dps.
1 dk tank, 1 shaman healer and 3 dk dps.

[Xraptorx]

What makes a more survivable tank in heroic dungeons (pally or dk)? I have pally healer for my 4x dk team. Was gonna use pally as tank on my 4x shammy team. One shammy can be resto for healing

[lans83]

What makes a more survivable tank in heroic dungeons (pally or dk)? I have pally healer for my 4x dk team. Was gonna use pally as tank on my 4x shammy team. One shammy can be resto for healing

Depends on the fight with tanks. Some are better than others really. Think about Pally tanks, if you can't block/dodge/parry attacks, you pretty much go oom fast and might have trouble with holding threat if you can't use your abilities. That part just might be me tho, but on some bosses, especially ones where bosses are magic heavy on attacks, I've had trouble with mana management on my Pally. It's not till these times that my mana pool even dips lower than 50%. I keep Cons on the ground and pop Holy Wrath each chance I can with my tanking macro and never go OOM till these fights in the HoT randoms.

DKs however gain Runic Power when using their abilities, now most don't even miss, so there's no problem there. On top of that, keeping diseases up on the bosses/mobs can maintain your threat level.

[JohnGabriel]

What makes a more survivable tank in heroic dungeons (pally or dk)? I have pally healer for my 4x dk team. Was gonna use pally as tank on my 4x shammy team. One shammy can be resto for healing

To make the most out of your dk tank you'll really need to micro manage. Pali tanks can more easily use macros, just one button tanking.

[lans83]

To make the most out of your dk tank you'll really need to micro manage. Pali tanks can more easily use macros, just one button tanking.

This is true. I'd suggest goin Blood Boil specced Desease tanking. It holds threat alot better than Heart Strike tanking imo, you can hold larger mobs better, diseases will maintain threat during long cooldowns on runes, and I've always had good luck with Blood Boil proccing and costing me almost no runes with Crimson Scourge from the talent tree, even on single targets and boss fights. I trust this more than the cleave from HS. Below is my macro I use for him:

Button 1
/startattack
/castsequence reset=combat plague strike, icy touch, pestilence, blood boil, death strike, blood boil, Blood boil, Blood Boil, blood boil, death strike, blood boil, Blood boil, Blood Boil
/click BT4Button2

Button 2 (BT4Button2)
/startattack
/castsequence reset=10 Horn of Winter, Rune Strike, Rune Strike, Rune Strike, Rune Strike, Rune Strike, Rune Strike,Rune Strike, Rune Strike, Rune Strike,Rune Strike, Rune Strike, Rune Strike
/cast Blood Tap
/cast Vamperic Blood

I also spam that second macro manually when button 1 is stuck on cool down and can't click through while I've got Runic Power pooled up to dump.