Heroics

[balrog78]

My team will hit 50 soon. Does any 4-boxer already have some experience with heroics?

[Starbuck_Jones]

I did my first Heroic the other night. Empire's Black Talon. It was a joke. I found it easier on heroic than I did on normal back at levels 10-15. Mainly because back then, I didn't have interrupts and now I do. I kill the captain because the robot boss is easier than the group of 4 jedi boss. Stand there and tank and spank AOE. It will be dead before more than three or four of the adds arrive, and you can just heal through their little explosions.

The boss that drops the AOE fire droids is interruptable. If you can interrupt those, its just another stand there and dps him down.

Optional boss is easy. Just interrupt the machine gun fire and its more stand there and dps it down. put the tank against the wall so he's still in range from the knock backs. Even still he hits hard and fast so be ready to use your tanking cool downs/relics and a medpack, but if you don't interrupt I doubt you can kill him as a fresh 50's group. Juggernauts have 5 tanking cooldowns from 10-20 seconds in length each. If you space them about 10 seconds after each one finishes, you can pretty much chain them. It's ridiculous.

Final boss is a joke. Pew pew then hit your strafe button when she pulls you in just like you do on normal.

Having a good setup is key. Easy to heal, round robin interrupts, minor movement abilities. Others, I dont know how you would do by yourself like the Colicoid war games.

[Lyonheart]

I did my first Heroic the other night. Empire's Black Talon. It was a joke. I found it easier on heroic than I did on normal back at levels 10-15. Mainly because back then, I didn't have interrupts and now I do. I kill the captain because the robot boss is easier than the group of 4 jedi boss. Stand there and tank and spank AOE. It will be dead before more than three or four of the adds arrive, and you can just heal through their little explosions.
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I pull the robot boss to that pillar close to the stairs and LoS him so he comes to me.. the little bots never reach me..he dies ( this is the lower level version.. I'm sure it works for HM as well )

[cichard]

Ot all flash points have a heroic, most of them are pretty easy tank and spank with hardly any movment at all the only one I could se being hard is kaon first encounter with a turret other then that cake

Not all flash points have a hardmode, most of them are pretty easy tank and spank with hardly any movment at all the only one I could se being hard is kaon first encounter with a turret other then that cake. Black talon, false emp, boarding party, foundry, bttle for ilum directive 7 kaon have hardmodes

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[balrog78]

I'd say boarding party first boss is difficult. It requires a lot of movement, isnt it? Also false emp 2nd boss will require some movement, but rather easy to do that. D7 last boss also has a lot of movement, I'd say.
I finished BT HC today with 3 fresh lvl 50 DD sorcs who have a few points in healing tree. For the last boss I'd recommend to not tank her close to the slaves. Because when she pulls the slaves and if they are very close their casts are not interrupted and strafing wont work :)

[cichard]

I'd say boarding party first boss is difficult. It requires a lot of movement, isnt it? Also false emp 2nd boss will require some movement, but rather easy to do that. D7 last boss also has a lot of movement, I'd say.
I finished BT HC today with 3 fresh lvl 50 DD sorcs who have a few points in healing tree. For the last boss I'd recommend to not tank her close to the slaves. Because when she pulls the slaves and if they are very close their casts are not interrupted and strafing wont work :)

the first real boss, the one with the bh ship is a joke you just park your healer and range dps in the center turret and just keep shooting the ship everytime it comes back. I just set up a round robin intrupt on flame sweep and you never have to move.

[balrog78]

the first real boss, the one with the bh ship is a joke you just park your healer and range dps in the center turret and just keep shooting the ship everytime it comes back. I just set up a round robin intrupt on flame sweep and you never have to move.

I guess you mean false imperator. He still does some aoe where you have to move out which is not the flame sweep. This is related to rockets coming from the ship. However this boss event is often bugged. Maybe it is bugged for me now. The aoe I mean hits with around 8k. Probably I will go back to BT hc and wait a few more months until Bioware focus on bugfixing (if they ever will).

[Starbuck_Jones]

I finished Battle of Ilum last night and the final boss I assume was bugged. His force explosion was doing over 17k (no combat log but that's the highest hp we had) We wiped on him about 4 times before we got him down. I watched a few videos and other groups were not getting one shotted by this ability, but loosing around 30-60% of their hp if it got off. Aside from interrupting that one ability, the fight was a simple tank and spank. He had no other real ability so you could just stack there and run back if you took the knockback. Makes healing easy, heal tank, aoe, heal tank, aoe....

[balrog78]

Anyone tried to 4-box boarding party? I just cant beat HXI-54 Juggernaut... It would already be much easier if I the lightning were a little bit easier to interpret. Its so hard to figure out where the lightning actually is (even when I am playing 1 char only)
Maybe I need at least a 2nd monitor for it.

[Sibroc]

Well, after some tries at the first boss and failing to the lightning I discovered a bug (or a feature :cool:). The first boss wont reset as long as someone got aggro on him and he doesnt have an enrage timer.

So what I did was parking 1 toon around the first corner and zerg him down with my dps. Just zone in after you died and jump him again. As long as your toon stands around the corner it wont get hit and the boss will not reset. As I said he has no enrage timer so you have all the time in the world to do it. This is what worked for me... I call it tactic not exploit. Moderators feel free to delete my post if you think stuff like this should not be posted.

But finaly I wasnt able to handle the last battle with the 3 bosses at the bridge. You cant tank the one to the left and boxing while he is jumping your slaves one by one realy suxx. Maybe I just need better gear for it and dps him down real fast... not sure atm.

Another info on BT. Im able to 2 box BT with tank/healer combo and 2 dps companions. Needed to buy some better equip for the dps but now it works smooth. Not sure if you could 2 box with an other setup than tank/healer.


Edit: of course Im talking about heroic mode on both boarding party and BT. Just to make this clear.

[balrog78]

Thanks, I will try that. I noted that safe spot but didnt thought about using it that way.
I dont think it is an exploit: in other FPs you are also allowed to run in again after you died.

[OldRod_KS]

Some FPs you can't do that. Athiss for instance - if anyone leaves the room where the final boss is, he resets. Wonder why some are that way and some aren't?

[balrog78]

Regarding last boss. I got inspired by http://www.torhead.com/npc/564KY92/commander-jorland#comments
There is a spot where the distance to medic is 34.5 meters and to Jorland 35.5 meters. I parked my sorcs there. I first kill the medic (powertech is mixed range tank, that helps here), then the shield guy. After this Jorland enraged, but his damage isnt high, it is very easy to heal with one sorc. The DD sorcs just do nothing. Tank kills Jorland in around 5 minutes...
If your tank isnt well enough equipped and if one of your DDs can also heal you should be able to kill him like that.
If you have only melees: good luck :)

[balrog78]

Just an additional if you want to try boarding party: bring a lot of patience! The tactic for first boss doesnt work always, sometimes far away characters are grappled also. And sometimes when all characters die the FP is reset for at least one character and if this char enters FP first and all other follow it is resetted for all and you have to clear trash again.
So you have to fight bugs and the bad client combined with the challenge of multiboxing.

[Sibroc]

Never had the instance reset for me. Maybe Im just lucky.

Im looking for another hard mode to box. I do BT for the daylie reward. Any advice what instance is doable as a boxer ? I tried factory the other day but went nuts at the second boss.

What do you think is the best choice as a boxer ?

[balrog78]

If you havent tried boarding party yet, I'd still recommend this as 2nd one.
False imperator should be easy if your DPS is high enough for the 2nd boss. My DPS wasnt high enough.
Kaon should be doable imo, the event may be tricky though.
Battle for Ilum should also be boxable depending on your class composition. I have 3 sorcs so first boss shouldnt be too hard (AOE for the adds).
D7 last boss is probably too hard.
Foundry (factory?) last boss might be very hard as well.

I usually do BT HC and dailies until I have the rakata implants and ears.

[balrog78]

FP Hardmodes I finished so far with some notes.
In general due to the enrage timer: my healer regualary deals damage as well and my tank has a hybrid DD/Tank build. Especially the hybrid build helps a lot.
I'd recommend skipping all bonus bosses. The tionese implants are not worth the time. Some are easy but I just skip them to get to last boss quicker.

Black Talon

That one is a rather easy Hardmode. If you have problems with enrage timer most bosses can be kited.

Boarding Party

First Boss: Let one DD run around the corner of the hallway. That way if you "wipe" boss won't reset (thanks for that tip, Sibroc!). A healer can solo that boss, but it may take 20 minutes :)
Last Boss: Kill healer first, then kill the guy shielding the boss and then kill the boss. I can recommend that order only if you have ranged DDs (at least 35m). The grenade of the boss has range of 35m, so your DDs and healer should be in a distance of at least 35m to the boss. There is a spot which has a distance of 34.5m to the healer and 35.5m to the boss. Kill the boss with the tank and heal throught his enrage.

Kaon

Trash really takes a lot of time here since it is not multiboxer friendly. Other than that it is one of the easiest hardmodes.

First Boss (event): You have to be good with gun. That requires a lot of training (at least for me) :)
Second Boss: Nothing special for multiboxer. If your slaves are knocked back you may have to make them stand up individually, follow wont work after knock back
Third Boss: Nothing special for multiboxer. After killing first and second guy adds spawn and are coming from behind.

False Imperator

First Boss: DD and Healer can go to the center platform, Jindo wont aggro if you do it right. Park them there and kill him slowly, he wont enrage (thanks for the tip, cichard!).
Second Boss: Healer should do damage at start. When he comes out TAB quick and use strongest instant attacks. Don't bother with AOEs as many guides say, just strongest instant attack. That phase is always the easiest for me. The problem is his enrage timer.
Third Boss: Nothing special for multiboxer. Please note: first knockback interrupts his spell and he goes on his knees, second knockback actually knocks him back. If you have a class with a knockback ability you dont need to switch between windows to kick him down.

Battle For Ilum
I personally only 3-boxed, but that was already hard enough. That is the hardest FP and it was also designed like that. It drops more crew skill items (3 pieces instead of 1) than other FPs.
Try false emperor before you go here. If you can kill HK-47 before he (it?) enrages you might be ready for Battle for Ilum. Otherwise you will just wipe due to the enrage timers. I also recommend to have 1-2 Million of credits to cover repair costs.

Gark: Every now and then (possibly based on his HP) adds spawn. Focus on the adds and kill slowly Gark - there is no enrage timer.

Velasu and Grenda-Zil: First kill Grenda and after this Velasu. Either CC the canons which appear in between and heal through or nuke them. The enrage timer makes the fight difficult.

Krel Thak: Kill the adds and leave FP immediately: the 2 adds dont respawn and they have 4.5k life each one. The boss has around 130k. That means you need almost 10% more DPS for the first pull if you count in overkill damage. Enter again pull boss back in the middle of the room. Tank should not stand in group. When adds spawn AOE them as much as possible. The enrage timer is a big problem here. A few days back we wasted half a million credits of repair costs on that one, but yesterday we wiped only once. It requires some training. We ignored last group of adds.

Folek: Nothing special, CC helps

Serevin: Nuke his companion. After this he occassionally casts Force Explosion. That spell must be interrupted because it is a very strong AOE. Spreading out every one should help, but I am not sure whether the crystals which he throws as random players have an AOE effect. Have your class specific spell ready which removes movement impairing effects. He stuns random player including the healer for more than 10 seconds. Also his enrage timer is very short. We also farmed almost half a million credits of repair costs here but that was also partially due to my poor internet connection.

[Sibroc]

Thanks for sharing this !

Im leveling another toon to 50 atm so I wasnt able to run more heroics than BT for the dailies. I will give boarding party another shot this weekend and see how it goes. Last time I tried to kill the dd first. Will go for the healer first this time as you posted.

[Sibroc]

Ok, finaly I was able to complete boarding party. Final fight took some time but I made it :cool:

[cichard]

glad i could help

[Riiker]

I REALLY REALLY need to finally get to level 50!!!! I have a really good setup and a good team and I can't wait to see if they have what it takes to perform in endgame content.

[Riiker]

I would suggest that anyone who just reached 50 to do Taral V on the republic side. You can skip 2 bosses and Dulfy has a great LOS strategy for the last boss that works great!

[losschris]

I would suggest that anyone who just reached 50 to do Taral V on the republic side. You can skip 2 bosses and Dulfy has a great LOS strategy for the last boss that works great!

Lol HK-47 sucks!

[blackshifter]

Has anyone completed Directive 7 on either regular or HM? Seems impossible with all the movement involved.

[Riiker]

I haven't tried it yet, but the movement is the exact reason that I have been putting it off.

[blackshifter]

I made it all the way to mentor. And it just seems impossible to multi box.

[Riiker]

My goal is to clear Lost Island HM with my new Imp team. I might get back to playing my republic team but they couldn't get past the first mini boss.