Mosg's Multiboxing TOR Manifesto

[Mosg2]

Yarr,

For the record, I finished the manifesto last weekend. It took a week to get it broken up, compressed and uploaded to Youtube--Working around a 60+ hour work week and a newborn is difficult stuff.

You'll want to watch the videos in order for them to make sense. I'm currently working on compressing and uploading the actual game footage. I will do one 10 minute video each for my Operatives, Warriors and Sorcerers. With a smidgen of luck I'll get them uploaded today.

If you have any questions you can post here or you can contact me in game on Rakata Mind Prison on Mosg, Murazor or Adunaphel. I'm going to prefer to talk via skype if I'm going to help set up anything for you but we can figure that out depending on how complex your issue is.

So, with further ado:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeFRR7NeMds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxlRkBKkQAs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbpJ24zmTeY

[pinotnoir]

YES!!! Thanks!

[Mosg2]

Sorcerer video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDwnZ_hn9Fs

Excuse the poor quality. The Juggernaut and the Operative ones will be higher, I promise.

[Pyro_box]

/bow

This is so awesome;

[Mercbeast]

I can shed some light as to why your follow works the way it does. My follow is setup differently but achieves the same thing but basically here is why it works!

The jump is essentially doing what we used it to do when auto-follow was glitching out. Take for example commandos or mercenaries. They have a high damage auto attack type ability that can be converted into a heal. If you do not add a jump to the follow rotation, the follower characters will stop for 1.5s for the duration of the animation when healing. If you add a jump, the animation is instantly broken, the character resumes follow on your butt and continues to auto attack spam or heal with the auto attack. In short, jumping is working to break the following characters out of animations you can normally move through.

Another important thing to note is that where you insert your autofollow hotkey depends on what type of character set you are running.

For example running melee teams follow should be used after pretty much every single ability. This keeps the follow tight and right on you allowing melee DPS to do what melee DPS needs to do. On the other hand, ranged teams using casted abilities need to use follow before they use the ability. This way they follow, then the cast stops follow until you are finished and want them to follow again.

[Mercbeast]

Sorcerer video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDwnZ_hn9Fs

Excuse the poor quality. The Juggernaut and the Operative ones will be higher, I promise.

Mosg, just want to say there is a solution for GTAOE type abilities but really it is most effective for either assassins in Madness, or healers in general.

The trick is to set all followers to zoom in tight, and have them look directly down. It isn't ideal, but, using this method it would be possible to have 4 mercenaries throw 4 GTAOE heals at your feet. Or have four assassins blow up 4 Death Fields in the middle of a melee moshpit (that would hurt a bit by the way!) Your sorcs could also do it, and it would actually be relatively effective anti-melee DPS.

Again, it isn't ideal, but you can turn it into essentially a PBAOE for death field/force in balance for republic side. To give you an idea of how effective it is. Balance shadows in my guild (we're clearing KP/EV on Nightmare) are able to crit with force in balance for I believe 5k. That is 5k, 3 targets, 4 guys can put down up to 20k on 3 guys instantly. Only really geared out tanks will survive that!

[Mosg2]

@Mercbeast:

The animation explanation totally makes sense. Bwuahah!

That is certainly a solution but I'd rather just avoid it for now if I can. I like to glance at my second screen frequently to make sure they're doing what I want.

Good tips :)

[Mercbeast]

@Mercbeast:

The animation explanation totally makes sense. Bwuahah!

That is certainly a solution but I'd rather just avoid it for now if I can. I like to glance at my second screen frequently to make sure they're doing what I want.

Good tips :)

Ya. I've toyed with the idea of running Shadows syncing those GTAOE's is possible but again far from ideal, but honestly melee without charge just doesn't feel optimal. As a matter of fact I am going to make a post in a minute or two as to why I think Sentinel/Marauder or Jugg/Guardian is probably the alpha team of SWTOR for PVP.

[Mosg2]

Juggernaut video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU61gsiBJFA

Edit:

@Mercbeast:

I think that either Operatives or Juggernauts will be the "best" team. With Juggernauts you get two leaps, a snare and a perfect DPS rotation. With the Operatives you get one shot kills from stealth 100% of the time plus longevity via healing--Remember, they have 15% bonus run speed while in combat plus a ranged snare. It makes up for not having a gap closer.

Powertechs are on my list also. They get a leap plus a pull and do good damage plus are in heavy armor.

[Mercbeast]

Juggernaut video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU61gsiBJFA

Edit:

@Mercbeast:

I think that either Operatives or Juggernauts will be the "best" team. With Juggernauts you get two leaps, a snare and a perfect DPS rotation. With the Operatives you get one shot kills from stealth 100% of the time plus longevity via healing--Remember, they have 15% bonus run speed while in combat plus a ranged snare. It makes up for not having a gap closer.

Powertechs are on my list also. They get a leap plus a pull and do good damage plus are in heavy armor.

Check out my thread. Several reasons why Marauders and Sentinels should out-do the tanks. Operatives are a different kettle of fish. To me they are like more sustainable rogues.

Comparing Operatives and Marauders is like comparing a sniper to a cannon ball rolling down hill. The Operatives are going to get those first couple kills quickly and then things slow down for them. With Marauders, you just killed 10 people in 15 seconds or so.

Powertechs are intriguing, but the mixed ranged/melee mechanic simply is not as optimal as a pure melee one. I'm sure it would work and work well, but it will never be as fluid as Warriors or Knights.

[Mortiasis]

Just amazing. This is so helpful.
Great videos and it would be a bunch of help if you could upload your isboxer settings as well, so its easier to follow your guide.

Thanks for taking the effort and time doing this.

[Apps]

Well done my friend. Well done.

Now perhaps swarlos will not shoot me the electronic version of the stink eye

Superb setup.

[Ihavenowand]

hi there Mosg2 Your video is very well done, thanks for taking the time to explain things in such detail. In the first part of your video you said you would be able to upload your settings, is this possible?

Many thanks

[Duane]

You are the fucking man! Thanks so much for making these videos. I've been waiting for someone with more knowledge to put something like this together before I started boxing TOR.

[Rulgan]

Mosg,

Thank you taking the time to make these videos. They are greatly appreciated.

[Mosg2]

@All

Thanks for the positive comments--That's what keeps me going doing stuff like this :) It's a big time investment!

I can upload my setup if someone can post a link to a site that'll host it.

I will potentially get a video of 4x Marauders up later today. The Operative video is on hold for a few days.

[Alge]

Information on how to do this and how to get the result back into ISBoxer can be found on the ISBoxer wiki: http://www.isboxer.com/wiki/Configuration_Sharing

[Ihavenowand]

@All

Thanks for the positive comments--That's what keeps me going doing stuff like this :) It's a big time investment!

I can upload my setup if someone can post a link to a site that'll host it.

I will potentially get a video of 4x Marauders up later today. The Operative video is on hold for a few days.

How big is the file?

http://www.sendspace.com/

http://privatepaste.com/ - as per http://www.isboxer.com/wiki/Configuration_Sharing

[Mosg2]

http://www.smorb.com/mosg2/mosgsetup.rar

That's my setup. Compressing a video of my Marauders right now. Will get it up later today.

[Ihavenowand]

Great!

Be a star and post your ingame key bindings :P

[Mosg2]

F3=Target party 1
F4=Target party 2
F5=Target party 3
F6=Acquire target of target
F7=Target self
F10=Self target modifier
Tilde=Follow target
6,7,8,9,0,-,= are all my DPS buttons
I use Q and shift Q for round robin abilities like stuns
E, F and R are for DPS keys that don't go in the spam button
1-4 are for healing, not used by the melee teams (yet!)

[OldRod_KS]

Great stuff Mosg! Thanks for posting this. Lots of information to sort through :)

I tinkered with ISBoxer this weekend. Got 2 characters running and swapping back and forth. Gotta work on keymaps next.

[Apps]

Great stuff Mosg! Thanks for posting this. Lots of information to sort through :)

I tinkered with ISBoxer this weekend. Got 2 characters running and swapping back and forth. Gotta work on keymaps next.

Well done OldRod_KS. I was wondering how you did. Thanks for the update. Please be aware, that if I havent written this already, 90% of my setup was worked out with Mosg2. I got mine set up. It was weak but worked... sometimes. Mosg2 helped me by deleting most of my stuff and starting over. Then when I got it working better... he had me delete that and improved it again.

Really, I learned a lot from Mosg2's help. I believe I can set up a team very quickly and more "confidently" (sp?) now.

[Ihavenowand]

Thanks for all the help Mos

Question for anyone, is it possible to do class quests whilst boxing or will I have to do the same one 4 times?

[Mosg2]

You'll have to do each one separately. There's only one or two I've encountered so far that were terrible.

[Ihavenowand]

Not so much a problem, more an annoyance.....I understand that the fourth account to be logged in is the control toon. However, the first instance of swtor to be launched is the only instance not to have FPS capped to 20. How does this work for you?

I'm pretty much using the setup you posted but changed a couple of binds.

--Ignore above, played your videos again and i get it now.

Problem: All of the screens are on top of each other on one monitor. From the config it makes full screen on one monitor and smaller ones on the other, but it doesn't on mine??

[maxcom]

Damn you Mosg2!! You just made me buy 2 more accounts (4 total now) after seeing you in action. FML :) Thank you very much for sharing the wealth!!

[Mosg2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pueDTRWLxnU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrrhBBBAkdM

Had to snip out a bit in the middle. I'll make a post later that's longer but the short version reads as:

Marauders=Gods.

Edit: Video drove from alt for some reason lol. Oh well.

[maxcom]

Love the videos, please keep them coming!

[Mosg2]

Currently working on compressing a Mandalorian Raiders video. With luck tomorrow I can make a more expansive post about the wonder of Marauders.

[Mercbeast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pueDTRWLxnU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrrhBBBAkdM

Had to snip out a bit in the middle. I'll make a post later that's longer but the short version reads as:

Marauders=Gods.

Edit: Video drove from alt for some reason lol. Oh well.

Also, Marauders and Sentinels suck until 40+. They are a very late maturing class.

[Mokoi]

Damn you Mosg2!! You just made me buy 2 more accounts (4 total now) after seeing you in action. FML :) Thank you very much for sharing the wealth!!

He pulled the same trick on me, too. now i have 2+2... stupid MOSG2!!




<3

[Kimchee]

Mosq, I dont want to over inflate your Ego, but you are da MAN! I was about to give up on 4 boxing and just live with 2, but your setup just works. it just simply works. I watched your videos a dozen times, but i couldnt figure it out. So downloaded your ISboxer setup and imported it into my isboxer to try and figure how it works. Well when it comes to figuring things out in anything programming, i'm as smart as a box of rocks, so i just tweeked it till it worked for me. i created 4 sith warriors and it was a blast watching them annihilate anything around them. of course they're only lvl 4 atm. only had few lousy minutes to play last night. But thank you for sharing your hard work! cant wait to get off of work so i can go home and beat up on things with my Sith Warriors!

[Apps]

Mosq, I dont want to over inflate your Ego, but you are da MAN! ...

I feel the need to comment on this.

One evening I was "Struggle Bus"ing it through some new style setup I was playin around with... timers, and "go to next step when" stuff. Granted, I had things ..."wooorking?"-ish. Anyway, the convo... Mosg decided to help me. (good man), and once I made a point of asking him, "so is this the most efficient use or way of doing this?" he danced around, but I eventually made him tell me "yes". (polite man). Lastly, when he was instructing, I made a comment about how, "well, I already got that covered.." he said "oh ok fine then, just use your setup, you dont need me." WHOOPS! lol. (good sense of humor)


Point is, if Mosg has an EGO... Ive not seen it. He's great. He's one of those rare people that, either if someone doesnt like him, or he doesnt like someone, there is, no doubt, something wrong with that person.

[Kimchee]

I only meant it as a joke, so please dont take it out of Context.

[maxcom]

Is anyone else in need of Mosg's rotation? I find myself spamming space when fighting a group (using his isboxer keys) and my followers seems to spazz out running left right and backwards as they dps. Anyone else or did I miss something?

[OldRod_KS]

OK, I'm working my way through this step-by-step as I've never used ISBoxer before.

I am boxing 2 accounts on one machine with 2 monitors. I ran the display wizard and selected full-screen per character, but the active window in game is the wrong monitor (it shows monitor 2 on the left and monitor 1 on the right in the ISBoxer wizard and I don't see any way to change that). How do I tell it to swap monitor 1 to the left and monitor 2 to the right?

[MiRai]

How do I tell it to swap monitor 1 to the left and monitor 2 to the right?
Perhaps this will help?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA3MqP6LAAg&t=5m8s

If you've already got a Window Layout created you can just drag the regions around to the correct
monitors.

[OldRod_KS]

Perhaps this will help?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA3MqP6LAAg&t=5m8s

If you've already got a Window Layout created you can just drag the regions around to the correct
monitors.

That helped, thanks! :)

[laguy442]

Great job. One quick question. I downloaded the ISBoxer file and was modifying it to fit my team of Juggernauts I just built. I noticed that it seems like the character setups for the Sorc 1-4 are different from the Operative9=12 and Character5-8 you have included. In particular the follow command is different and does not match the explanation in your videos. Should I only be using the Socr1-4 key maps for my setup?

Thanks again for taking the time to put all of this together. Much appreciated.

[Apps]

I only meant it as a joke, so please dont take it out of Context.

Oh! I didnt. Bad thing about the internet, its difficult to read the mood of some of my posts... when I said I felt the need to post, it was out of recollection of that interaction I had with Mr. Mosg... Apologies if it was interpreted differently. Definitely not meant to twist words.

[OldRod_KS]

OK, another brain freeze on my part :)

I'm trying to set up the "Target me" key like you show in video 2. I have F3 bound to target party member 1, F4 to target party member 2. I set up the mapped keys in ISBoxer like you show... but how to I use them in game? There is no hotkey defined for them in ISBoxer?

Sorry to be so dense, but this is all new to me :)

*edit* OK, I see that other keys call this targeting function. Sorry for the confusion.

However, I still can't get my "target me" keymap to work. I have two characters: Kerrec and Kerec. When grouped, Kerrec is party member #1 and Kerec is #2. In game I have F3 bound to target party member #1, but when I hit F3, nothing happens. F4 is supposed to target party member #2, but again, hitting F4 results in nothing happening. Instead, F1 targets myself and F2 targets the other member of the group, whichever character I am on. Am I missing something obvious here? Or am I not understanding how targeting works?

[chazz]

However, I still can't get my "target me" keymap to work. I have two characters: Kerrec and Kerec. When grouped, Kerrec is party member #1 and Kerec is #2. In game I have F3 bound to target party member #1, but when I hit F3, nothing happens. F4 is supposed to target party member #2, but again, hitting F4 results in nothing happening. Instead, F1 targets myself and F2 targets the other member of the group, whichever character I am on. Am I missing something obvious here? Or am I not understanding how targeting works?
I obviously can't help you with Mosg2's setup, but what is your F2 key bound to ingame (since it by default is bound to Target Party Member 1)? And is there any particular reason you have changed it?
Targeting in Star Wars: The Old Republic can be a bit funky if you invite other people to your party as well, since the Party Member Slots can get shifted around for some characters. However if it's just your two characters in the party they should both be using Target Party Member 1 to target each other (F2 by default).

[Mosg2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9InKdF5ICC8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqlbnGampQU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1H1CvVr3Dg

Mandalorian Raiders with 4x Marauders. I know I outleveled it a bit--Shrug. I have some new ideas for how to better streamline doing flashpoints. I'll share them once I get them working how I want.

@All:
If you're having problems the best way to get my assistance is via Skype. I hate trying to go back and forth with problems via PMs or on a message board as it takes forever and you lose situational awareness of what's going on. My screen name is chernabog_gorefiend. Feel free to add me and you can call if I'm online.

[TamanXXX]

Thank You Mosg for your time putting these videos. Much appreciated.

[Apatheist]

I'm not sure if 3boxing would work with this setup. Wouldn't the order of your group change and mess up your follow/assist keymaps whenever you invited 4th player or joined a Warfront?

[Apps]

OK, another brain freeze on my part :)

I'm trying to set up the "Target me" key like you show in video 2. I have F3 bound to target party member 1, F4 to target party member 2. I set up the mapped keys in ISBoxer like you show... but how to I use them in game? There is no hotkey defined for them in ISBoxer?

Sorry to be so dense, but this is all new to me :)

*edit* OK, I see that other keys call this targeting function. Sorry for the confusion.

However, I still can't get my "target me" keymap to work. I have two characters: Kerrec and Kerec. When grouped, Kerrec is party member #1 and Kerec is #2. In game I have F3 bound to target party member #1, but when I hit F3, nothing happens. F4 is supposed to target party member #2, but again, hitting F4 results in nothing happening. Instead, F1 targets myself and F2 targets the other member of the group, whichever character I am on. Am I missing something obvious here? Or am I not understanding how targeting works?


......However if it's just your two characters in the party they should both be using Target Party Member 1 to target each other (F2 by default).

Hes right. You dont need to use seperate keys for each toon, if you are only using two accounts. To repeat what chazz is saying; When you are on Kerrec, he is party member 1, and when you press your key, Kerec is looking for "target party member 1"... so your F1 key should work fine. When you swap windows and are now on Kerec, he now becomes party member 1, so when you press your key, Kerrec is looking for "target party member 1"... so your F1 key should still work fine.

Just make sure your in game keybind for both accounts is set to use the same key ("F1" in your case)


I'm not sure if 3boxing would work with this setup. Wouldn't the order of your group change and mess up your follow/assist keymaps whenever you invited 4th player or joined a Warfront?

You can definitely box with three... but yes, you are correct. There is a way around this though. When in Warzones toons (unless im mistaken) are organized by alphabetic order. If you named all your toons starting with "AA or AB and so on, you should never see this issue.

[OldRod_KS]

Thanks for the help - I guess was trying to make it to complicated :)

Moving on... I have my "target me" and "assist me" keys working now. I am trying to actually use an ability. Both characters are sages, so I put Telekinetic Throw on the Left quickslot 1 for each character and bound "Alt-1" to cast it in game.

In ISBoxer, I set up a keymap on Sage 1 like this:

Do Assist Me in Sage 1 Key Map->self
Alt+1->all

I bound this all to Ctrl-Shift-T in ISBoxer. When I press Ctrl-Shift-T in-game, the secondary character assists me and selects my target (so that much is working), but neither one of them actually fire an Alt+1.

[chazz]

I'm not sure if 3boxing would work with this setup. Wouldn't the order of your group change and mess up your follow/assist keymaps whenever you invited 4th player or joined a Warfront?
Yes the order will change. Solution: http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46435-GUIDE-Set-Target-System


I bound this all to Ctrl-Shift-T in ISBoxer. When I press Ctrl-Shift-T in-game, the secondary character assists me and selects my target (so that much is working), but neither one of them actually fire an Alt+1.
Click on your key in ISBoxer and make sure that you have "Hold any Keystroke Actions while Hotkey is held" set to ON. This is necessary for any keys that use modifiers in them (Shift, Ctrl, Alt).

[OldRod_KS]

Click on your key in ISBoxer and make sure that you have "Hold any Keystroke Actions while Hotkey is held" set to ON. This is necessary for any keys that use modifiers in them (Shift, Ctrl, Alt).

OK, I did that and now I can see in the other window, it switches target to the creature I'm fighting, but then I get a message "Target not enemy", so it's trying to cast, but it thinks it can't. Do I need a slight delay in there to make sure the target has switched before casting?

*edit* I clicked "Do not advance to the next step for at least 0.1 seconds" and that didn't help.

Just for fun, I tried rebinding that hotkey slot to "E" and changed my keymaps in ISBoxer to use E instead of Alt-1. Still no change.

[chazz]

OK, I did that and now I can see in the other window, it switches target to the creature I'm fighting, but then I get a message "Target not enemy", so it's trying to cast, but it thinks it can't. Do I need a slight delay in there to make sure the target has switched before casting?

*edit* I clicked "Do not advance to the next step for at least 0.1 seconds" and that didn't help.

Just for fun, I tried rebinding that hotkey slot to "E" and changed my keymaps in ISBoxer to use E instead of Alt-1. Still no change.
Try setting your DPS Abilities in the First Step of your DPS Rotation key and the Assist Me key in a Second Step. It may be that you are calling the DPS Ability while the Slave is targeting your Lead to aquire his/her target.

[Apps]

I would always avoid using combo keys with ALT and CTRL as much as you possibly have to for critical functions like Assist, Follow, and Target. Instead, use keys you KNOW you arent likely to use, like "`", "Home", "End", "Page up" and "Page Down"

Then when you pass those through ISBoxer, you NEVER have an accidental key hold. And it frees up the ALT+(key) for your dps. Yet still, if you are really watching skill / attack GCD's you can effectively write "macro" keys for dps. (not really a macro, but it works the same way)

I.e. Slam, Assault, Sundering Assault, Commanding Shout etc all have different GCD's. place them in order in your DPS keymap Action from longest to instant... so that when you press a key, it will try to do the longest GCD first, and if its on cooldown, it tries the next, and the next and the next.. while if everything is on CD, then you are just spamming your instant attack for only a second or two tops.

The result is you take 4-5 actions and put them in one key... thus freeing up more keys for other things, and all the while keeping your keybind setup in game very simple and clean.

I dont use ANY of the ALT+key or CTRL+key combos. None.


Also I suggest you work out the targeting and assisting before applying the DPS of any key.
Its a lot easier to type, but its not difficult in ISBoxer either.

with the "Target Me", "Assist Me" and "Follow Me" keys setup. (and using only two accounts)

your DPS key should look like this.
Character slot 1:
Do "Assist Me" in (character slot 2)>Self
Do "Alt+1">all

In character slot 2 its the same but opposite for the CSlot:
Do "Assist Me" in (character slot 1)>Self
Do "Alt+1">all

And a few key things to double check.
1. Ensure after you do the setup, you "save", in ISBoxer, then "Export all to InnerSpace"
2. Press your character keymap activation key, or swap windows manually a few times.
3. Ensure your in game keybinds are using the same keybind, and action bar slot.

If you want to test your work first... just use the assist, and remove the dps action... go to character 1, target some random NPC...press your mapped key for "Assist Me"... ALT+TAB to your character 2, and look at what its targeting. It should be the same. Now pick a completely different NPC while on your character 2, and press your "Assist Me" again.. ALT+TAB back to character 1. Should be the new target.

IF! this doesnt work.. then your Assist Me isnt set up correctly.

The only other possible solution could be that you arent using the keymap set of the action you are attempting to use, OR you havent allowed that keymap set to be used by the character you are currently windowed with.




... ok so I just re-read my post here.. makes perfect sense. But I can see that this may get confusing. As Mosg suggested, if at all fails, skype with someone whos got it working may be helpful.

[chazz]

I would always avoid using combo keys with ALT and CTRL as much as you possibly have to for critical functions like Assist, Follow, and Target.
I agree with this. I didn't want to recommend switching any keys though since it could possibly confuse things if you are new and trying to copy someones setup.
But I personally don't use any modifiers either in any of my important keys.

[OldRod_KS]

OK, I got it.

I was using "Alt-T" as my "get target of target" key. I switched that to F6 and now my DPS key works.

So now I can target myself, assist myself, follow myself and kill stuff... I'm getting there! Thanks for all the help guys, and sorry for all the questions :)

[Apps]

good deal. :)
Its a nice feeling of accomplishment isnt it?

[OldRod_KS]

Yeah, it is. Actually took a quest, killed everything and turned it in... this is nice. Reminds me of the days I used to dual-box EQ, but with ISBoxer it's easier :)

I really appreciate all the help!!

[OldRod_KS]

OK, just finished a 3 hour session in-game. Everything working smoothly, but I have two more questions...

1 - Is there a way to make your "follow me" keymap automatically fire when you switch characters?

2 - Is there a way to set group looting to "free for all" or something other than "round robin"?

[chazz]

OK, just finished a 3 hour session in-game. Everything working smoothly, but I have two more questions...

1 - Is there a way to make your "follow me" keymap automatically fire when you switch characters?

2 - Is there a way to set group looting to "free for all" or something other than "round robin"?

1. If you click on your Character Set and then click on a Character Slot, you will see a check box for "When I switch to this character..." and a checkbox for "Do this Mapped Key".
2. Right-click on your Party Leaders Player Portrait and choose Group, Loot Rule and then Free for all.

[OldRod_KS]

1 - Thanks! I totally missed that!

2 - Hmmm... I tried that, but it wouldn't change. Maybe I was on the player who wasn't the party leader. I'll try it again when I get home later.

Thanks again! :)

[pinotnoir]

I am having the same problem as Oldrod. It seems this setup is only for 4 boxing. Trying to get my target me, assist me, and follow working with 2 is confusing the heck out of me. I have downloaded your isboxer file and cannot get any of those macros to work.

Under Sorc 1 target me keybind I have: F2 being sent to my Character 2 slot. On Sorc 2 target me keybind I have: F2 being sent to my Character 1 slot. In game if I press F1 they target themselves. If I press F2 they target the other character. I will try to hit you up on Skype tomorrow when I get home. Also, how the hell can someone find a guild member for an invite? Swtor really pisses me off when it comes to that. I need to find a Legion of Doom member for invite.

[Mosg2]

@Pinot:

Online now on skype. With two it's simple--For each character the other will always be character 1.

[Mercbeast]

The issue you will run into if you use modifiers is, you kind of need to use modifiers that match up.

If you use alt-T for your assist or alt for your follow, the abilities you are using in conjunction will need to use alt as well or funky things happen. Basically everything gets mashed at once so alt is used on all your keybinds, so if you are DPSing with 1-2-3-4-5 they become alt-1 alt-2 etc.

As App suggests, if you can get away with it, drop any modifiers for your keybinds if at all possible.

[Bloodcloud]

CURSE YOU!!!! :)

Dualboxing was working perfectly. but now that I see the awesome 4boxing vids i bought two more accounts. (hopefully my pc can handle it....)

[OldRod_KS]

I am having the same problem as Oldrod. It seems this setup is only for 4 boxing. Trying to get my target me, assist me, and follow working with 2 is confusing the heck out of me. I have downloaded your isboxer file and cannot get any of those macros to work.


Under Sorc 1 target me keybind I have: F2 being sent to my Character 2 slot. On Sorc 2 target me keybind I have: F2 being sent to my Character 1 slot. In game if I press F1 they target themselves. If I press F2 they target the other character. I will try to hit you up on Skype tomorrow when I get home. Also, how the hell can someone find a guild member for an invite? Swtor really pisses me off when it comes to that. I need to find a Legion of Doom member for invite.

With my 2-person group, I set F1 as the hotkey for "Target Me". In game, F1 selects yourself anyway, so it's easy to remember.

In ISBoxer, I set that key to send F1 to self and send F2 to all others.

For my "Assist me" key, I set F6 ingame as the "target of my target" hotkey. Then I made F6 the hotkey for my "Assist me" key in ISBoxer (again, to remember it easier). It sends F2 to all others, then F6 to all others.

Played about 6-7 hours total yesterday afternoon and evening and it seems to work fine.

[laguy442]

If someone who has a working 2 player setup could maybe link an export of their ISBoxer setup like Mosq2 did that would really help some of us who learn better by example. Particularly the assist, targeting and maybe a couple of dps examples. Also if you could mention what keys you have assigned in your SWTOR preferences that would make it much easier to decode. Thanks ahead of time for anyone that might be able to help out.

[Apps]

If someone who has a working 2 player setup could maybe link an export of their ISBoxer setup like Mosq2 did that would really help some of us who learn better by example. Particularly the assist, targeting and maybe a couple of dps examples. Also if you could mention what keys you have assigned in your SWTOR preferences that would make it much easier to decode. Thanks ahead of time for anyone that might be able to help out.

I'm by no means as good as Mosg2. Yet, to keep him from feeling a burden to do a two man, I am willing to post mine. I have a (2) man and a (3) man setup... using the same practices that Mosg2 uses. Unless someone beats me to it, I will try to put it together this weekend and have it up by late Sunday.

For now, if you want to search the forums, there "are" threads and posts of people who are doing two, with help for each... Specifically I know ive seen the dual-boxing setup help for "Follow" "Character Swap" Character Mapped keys" and "healing regions" (see below)

Besides, this will give me good experience as a learning tool to see how well I got it from Mosg2.

Post soon :)

Chazz guide for Healing regions - http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46370-GUIDE-Click-Healing-System-Using-Party-Frames

Apps character swap with window swap and key set swap all in one (Mosg2's idea) - http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46358-Getting-started-with-2-boxing-SWTOR/page3

Apps post #52 has a breakdown for Follow - http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/46398-Mosg-s-Multiboxing-TOR-Manifesto/page6

[OldRod_KS]

Is there a way to move the popup text location? One thing I noticed last night, when switching characters to start a conversation, the popup text was exactly on top of the "Join Conversation" button and it wouldn't let me click through it (it would just refresh the popup text and make me wait even longer). I had to wait for it to fade before the button underneath became available.

[Norrin]

Is there a way to move the popup text location? One thing I noticed last night, when switching characters to start a conversation, the popup text was exactly on top of the "Join Conversation" button and it wouldn't let me click through it (it would just refresh the popup text and make me wait even longer). I had to wait for it to fade before the button underneath became available.

When I have to do any sort of communication interactive, I turn on mouse broadcasting and just watch the other screen where the cursor is to click the Join conversation button. I have to turn it on anyway to for the choice interaction. I do have 5 monitors though so even at 4 boxing I have my clients running at full screen so I can see everything. I even stopped swapping monitors because it was just easier to move to the other monitor. I guess if your playing on a single monitor, or your slaves are to small, or its difficult or impossible to see the cursor location, you could wire up a Video FX screen thing.

[Apps]

I have found a simpler method to do this.

Yes, broadcast mouse, click the screen just below and slightly to the right the slaves portrait... then I made a "CONVO" mapped key for ISBoxer. Its my "[" key. All it does is press the spacebar for all toons at once.

So heres how my convos go.

Primary toon begins convo.
Mouse broadcast ON
click "Start Conversation" from primary toon.
Mouse Broadcast OFF.
spam the "[" key (assuming you want to rush the story).
press the desired action "1" "2" or "3"
spam the "[" key.

repeat that until the story convo is over.

[OldRod_KS]

Oh wow, didn't realize there was an icon by the character portrait. That will help a lot.

I am running fullscreen on 2 monitors as well, but haven't played with mouse broadcasting yet (just happy to get *something* playable and working yesterday LOL)

[Lyonheart]

nm.i figured it out!

[Pyro_box]

Well, the real work begins now; my toons pretty much do what I need them for basic commands, following, assisting, ect.
I began working out my setup to utilize my G13 gaming pad in conjunction with my Nostromos N52, changing the in game key bindings; all written up on a couple of sheets of paper, with diagrams for my specific keys.

Without the aid of macro’s I see a long road ahead before I bring in another account.
Currently I am seeing that the left side of my main/Tank account will be dedicated to my priority rotation, and the second tier of the bottom will be single character non-pass through for taunts, interrupts, defense abilities, ect.

I am keeping the top tier on the bottom for full pass through; 1, 2, 3 for cut scenes; 1-6 will go to my healing abilities on the second character, with the rest used for buffs, mounts, and other necessary shared abilities. I will be dedicating the right hand side to my alt’s once I feel comfortable running flashpoints as Tank/Heals; first (5) reserved for dps rotations, with the remainder dedicated to CC’ing, interrupts, medpacks, and other character specifics.

((I did try out the powertech /sorcerer and hated it; way too much micro management with heat conservation for my taste.))

My end result will be Juggernaut with (2) dps sorcerers 0/13/28, with a third sorcerer dedicated to support, 32/7/2 give or take. I am wondering however if my current machine will run (4) accounts with too much in the way of upgrades. Planning to bring up my ram to 16-gigs in the near future and adding a 128-gig SSD; hopefully my i7 with its ATI 6850 will be enough to run my (2) 24” monitors without too much resolution reduction and graphics loss.


Any rate, I would like to thank all the kind folks who constantly post enlightening idea are that help and old fart like me run around with my characters in tow adding insult to injury to them who get in my way.

[aceospadez]

I'm trying to run 2 operatives on 2 monitors. This is probably the easiest question ever, but is there a way to get them to come out of cover without breaking follow or if anyone has agents, what do you do? Right now I have to use the jump key to get them out of cover and then hit follow again or I have to turn on mouse repeater then move both guys then hit follow. Both ways feel inefficient.

[Bloodcloud]

I'm trying to run 2 operatives on 2 monitors. This is probably the easiest question ever, but is there a way to get them to come out of cover without breaking follow or if anyone has agents, what do you do? Right now I have to use the jump key to get them out of cover and then hit follow again or I have to turn on mouse repeater then move both guys then hit follow. Both ways feel inefficient.

hi, i think movement keys will work as well and are faster than the jump animation.

How feasible is to mbox OPs, since they need the cover ? (thats the reason I didn't box them. I did some dual boxing with an IA and a BH in the lowbie zone, end I mainly controlled the OP (cover and such) and used the BH as a turret

[aceospadez]

How feasible is to mbox OPs, since they need the cover ?

I don't know about feasible, but 2x Snipe with snipers is killer! PvP was a bit frustrating, but when it worked out, holy cow.... if I get this working 4x snipers using snipe ...<drool>

[Apps]

Well, the real work begins now; my toons pretty much do what I need them for basic commands, following, assisting, ect.
I began working out my setup to utilize my G13 gaming pad in conjunction with my Nostromos N52, changing the in game key bindings; all written up on a couple of sheets of paper, with diagrams for my specific keys.

Without the aid of macro’s I see a long road ahead before I bring in another account.
Currently I am seeing that the left side of my main/Tank account will be dedicated to my priority rotation, and the second tier of the bottom will be single character non-pass through for taunts, interrupts, defense abilities, ect.

I am keeping the top tier on the bottom for full pass through; 1, 2, 3 for cut scenes; 1-6 will go to my healing abilities on the second character, with the rest used for buffs, mounts, and other necessary shared abilities. I will be dedicating the right hand side to my alt’s once I feel comfortable running flashpoints as Tank/Heals; first (5) reserved for dps rotations, with the remainder dedicated to CC’ing, interrupts, medpacks, and other character specifics.

((I did try out the powertech /sorcerer and hated it; way too much micro management with heat conservation for my taste.))

My end result will be Juggernaut with (2) dps sorcerers 0/13/28, with a third sorcerer dedicated to support, 32/7/2 give or take. I am wondering however if my current machine will run (4) accounts with too much in the way of upgrades. Planning to bring up my ram to 16-gigs in the near future and adding a 128-gig SSD; hopefully my i7 with its ATI 6850 will be enough to run my (2) 24” monitors without too much resolution reduction and graphics loss.


Any rate, I would like to thank all the kind folks who constantly post enlightening idea are that help and old fart like me run around with my characters in tow adding insult to injury to them who get in my way.

(1) Jugg and (3) Sorc is BOSS I believe your system should be able to operate 4 accounts just fine.

I currently lead with a Jugg, with Sorcs in follow. One has a few points into healing, and wears healy gear. The others are straight out madness. I have click bars set up for healing so my healing is NOT an issue. I have click bars set up for CC also. Again, this is NOT an issue. The DPS rotations "macro" is worked into the ISBoxer key spam mapped key. I think the term "Popsicle Stick" approach was tossed around, and is probably a very close description of how it works. The in game result is I have (3) sorcs that have an actual DPS rotation, they utilize key attacks, along with my Jugg too... and for the occasional "need" to use a taunt, those are click only.

Really, I cant think of a better way to do what Im doing. I will admit that I dont have the ability to use the AOE "click then place" attacks from the sorcerers, but using that many accounts together, youre not going to need it anyway.

[OldRod_KS]

A new day... new questions :)

OK. When I set up my current character set, I did a File/Clear before starting so I could start from scratch (probably a bad move, but I feel like I can control what's going on that way). Now I realize that I need to add mouse repeaters back in. How do I go about adding a mouse repeater back into an existing character set?

For instance, I want to create a hotkey to turn on the mouse repeater, activate QuickTravel and select the same destination on all characters, then turn mouse repeater back off.

I am loving ISBoxer so far! I found out this morning that I can actually edit my character sets while the game is running and just re-export them to test it immediately in game - sped things up a lot! :)

[Apps]

quick answer. Create a new mapped key, do new key state action, assign the broadcast mouse to all windows, set your assigned key, set the state to ON. then on a new step, action, duplicate that, but set the state to OFF. export and your done. press your key, mouse broadcasts, press it again and your mouse broadcast is off.

I would add in a text that alerts you to what the key state is.


New Mapped Key (key)
New Mapped key state action
Step one
l_action one
l_Do mouse repeat ON>All
l_Popup Text>All (Make it say something like "HEY JACKASS!! YOUR MOUSE IS ON!!")
Step two
l_action one
l_Do mouse repeat OFF>All
l_Popup Text>All (Make it say something like "THATS BETTER, GLAD YOU DIDNT FORGET THIS TIME - MOUSE OFF")

And dont forget to relabel it as Mouse Repeater or something so you will know what it is.

You can also do all this without mouse broadcasting at all, and just use a Repeater Region, but thats another topic.

[Lyonheart]

"[color="royalblue'] quick answer" FAIL!.

[Lyonheart]

Mosg. I did not see anything about your DPSing for your sorcs. I see the healing and all the other keybinds, no dps key binds. How do you work DPSing with your sorc team?

[Mosg2]

I use Space, E, F, Q and R to dps.

[Riiker]

Mosg2... I'm trying a very similar setup to your 4 warriors (I have knights).

Right now I only have 3 and I've opted to make one of them a guardian to tank. I'm adding a fourth account (thanks to you and your setup) and will go sentinel with him to have 3 DPS sentinels with one guardian tank.

Do you ever wish that you'd made one of your warriors a tank instead of pure DPS? Do you identical skills with all of your warriors?

*edit* I actually leveled my fourth knight up with another knight. I now have 4 sentinels

[Plexar]

Is it adviseable to do 4 of the same class with multiboxing or is it cool to have a splash of everything? I would really like to do a tank, 2dps, healer setup so that I could run flashpoints in the future.

[Riiker]

I would advise that you do all the same class first until you get a feel for how to setup ISBoxer and micromanage 4 toons.

[Deadagain]

Hi Mosg2, The link to your set up is no longer active do you have a update one? I would love to have your set up for 4 man team SWTOR. I appreciate your videos and your time.


http://www.smorb.com/mosg2/mosgsetup.rar

That's my setup. Compressing a video of my Marauders right now. Will get it up later today.

[Spockette]

Hi everybody. I'm new to SWTOR and ISBoxer. Boxed EQ2 the hard way.

I would totally love to get your setup, Mosg2, to compare it to my newbish tries in ISBoxer. I'm running 4 Assasins now and I need them on a leash!

If Mosg2 is no longer playing, maybe one of the specialists here can help me out? I'd appreciate it!

[Mokoi]

Oh sorry guys LOL. I didn't know anyone used that still. I put it back on my server. not sure if Mosg still plays.

[Deadagain]

Mokoi you are da man! Thank you so very much. This will buff my learning curve a bit faster. I appreciate your time

[Spockette]

yes Yes YES! Something to start out from. You guys rock!