A big thankyou

[Djarid]

Rob, I just wanted to say thanks for the PiP and BOOBs feature (and to add I can't wait for the fixed hotkeys;))

I have rearranged my layout to take advantage of it and my first run through deadmines was significantly helped through being able to completely change my main and function well :)

I use focus for assisting and have a macro that sets focus depending on modifiers. This same key and modifiers is used to change the main window. I have bound each combination to the G1,G2, G4,G5 and G6 keys and can now change both main and main window with a single keypress!

My monitor is now setup with 1536x1200 main and 4x 384x300 clones on the left hand side. This gives each instance an aspect ratio of 1.28 and works perfectly. While 384x300 is very small, the ability to swap in into the main position more than makes up for it, at least until I upgrade to vista and can use dualhead to bring my other monitors online (can't get my 1920x1200 and 1600x1200 monitors to span properly using an x1950XT)

[EDIT] As requested a quick Screenie
index.php?page=RGalleryImageWrapper&itemID=29&type=image ('http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=RGalleryImageWrapper&itemID=29&type=image')

[Diamndzngunz]

Grats. :thumbsup:

[keyclone]

:D schweet! (my word of the day)

i believe this could turn into the main way people will be boxing in the future that don't want to spend on the extra monitors. pip swap and focus change to change the leader.

btw... got a screenshot? (they really spice up a thread ;) )

[Majestic_Clown]

tbh anyone who brings us boobs should be commended :P

[Lorune]

Yep PIP works just fine for me aswell ! :)

I switch when i get a quest i forgot the text off, currently just boosting with my mage.

Its worth every buck i payed for the software at least.

http://www.terence.nl/setup.jpg

[Luqan]

It looks really nice Lorune! Just out of curiosity may I ask how large your monitor is? I'm guessing about 30"?

[Lorune]

actually its 24" :)

the bottow ones are not that readable text wise, but i can keep a good eye on them, top one is fine.

[Djarid]

Lorune, that is how mine used to be set up but I couldn't use PiP because of stretching so changed to

1 + 4 horizontally
Main: 1536x1200
2-5: 384x300
(will post a pic this evening).

This lets me PiP without losing aspect ratio. (the closest I could get with a widescreen aspect was

Main: 1440x900 (same as a 22")
1-5: 420x300 (you can actually have 7 of these

of course with 5 wows you will end up with a 420x900 empty region to one side of your main (put TS there maybe?)

[Lorune]

PIP works just fine here, even tho the aspect ratio's are way off.

I'll show a screenshot tonight of one of the bottom ones on top.

Anyways i am really amazed at how well it works, it just takes like 1s to switch, so for high emergency times it might not be good enough, but overall i find it working just fine.

Keyclone for president :p

[Djarid]

Ah, sorry, by didn't work I meant that I was unprepared to play with the skewed aspect, PiP happily transposed the windows

[Lorune]

Ah, sorry, by didn't work I meant that I was unprepared to play with the skewed aspect, PiP happily transposed the windows

Yeah i guess thats a matter of personal preference.

I can run it on my other screen if i would want to, but having all on one screen just works out better for me.

And besides, IF i need to change windows, its either to read a quest text or my tank is dead.
In the first case its no big deal, and the 2nd i am screwed anyways ^^

[keyclone]

for those trying to figure out the aspect ratio issue...

if you give me the number of wows you'd like to run on the screen, the general layout (column along the right edge, row along the bottom, etc) and the resolution of the screen... then i can try to determine the sizes to give you the proper aspect ratio

[BobGnarly]

I, too, am growing pretty fond of this combination. It makes switching mains a snap. Now if I could just decide on some good, but out of the way keybinds. I really liked ALT-F1, F2, F3, F4, until I tried ALT-F4....DUH! :D

It seems a few of us have come up with the same window layout (see sig below). I had one in the middle with two on each side before, but really didn't like the squished feel of the main window. While the mega-widescreen main was kind of hard to get used to (seemed like I always was panning up/down), now that I am, I'm really fond of it.

Thanks again for BOOBS and PIP and a great program all around. :thumbsup:

[keyclone]

Howdy Bob,

let me give a shot at fixing your aspect ratio.. and maybe help the look up/down issue at the same time.
(before trying any of this.. copy your keyclone.ini file and keep it safe... just copy it back, without keyclone running, to reset back to what you have now)

ok.. assuming your screen is 2560 x 1600 (whoa!).. let's see what i can do.

first, to improve the vertical, i'd consider stacking your clones on the right. the trick is, how big would they be. we know the vertical is 1600 tall and there will be 4 clones... that gives us a starting point.
here's the math:

clone: w,h (w,400)
main: w,h (2560 - w, 1600)

clone aspect ratio: w / 400
main aspect ratio: (2560 - w) / 1600

solving for w:
----
w / 400 == (2560 - w) / 1600
4 * w = (2560 - w)
5 * w = 2560
w = 512
----
so... the clones are ( 512,400 ) and your main would be ( 2048, 1600 )

so, your regions would be as follows:

main: x,y (0,0) w,h (2048,1600)
cloneA: x,y (2048,0) w,h (512,400)
cloneB: x,y (2048,512) w,h (512,400)
cloneC: x,y (2048,1024) w,h (512,400)
cloneD: x,y (2048,1536) w,h (512,400)

post a pic and let me see how it comes out.

[Djarid]

to make life easier for everyone ;)

If you want 5 on one 1.6 aspect ratio widescreen monitor and you have the clones stacked vertically on the right / left then the aspect ration for each instance is 1.28

simply multiply the height of your screen by 1.28 to get the width of your main. Divide the height by 4 for the height of the clones and confirm that the remaining space for the width (screen width / 5) = screen width - main width. Also you can divide the height by 4 then multiply by 1.28 (or multiply the height by 0.32)to get the width of each clone

19" @ 1440x900 =
Main: 1152x900 = 1440 * 0.8
Clones: 288x225 = 1440* 0.2 = 288, 900 / 4 = 225 (225 * 1.28 = 288, 900 * 0.32 = 288)

22" @ 1680x1050, this is a tricky one because 1050/4 = 262.5 the first value for the height that will give round numbers everywhere is 1000 so
Main: 1280x1000 = 1680 * 0.8
Clones: 320x250 = 1000 * 0.32 = 320, 1000 / 4 = 250 (250 * 1.28 = 320, 100 * 0.32 = 320)
NOTE you will have a 50 pixel strip at the bottom and an 80 pixel strip at the right

24" @ 1920x1200, back to easy mode
Main: 1536x1200 = 1920 * 0.8
Clones: 384x300 = 1200 * 0.32 = 384, 1200 /4 = 300 (300 * 1.28 = 384, 1200 * 0.32 = 284)

30" @ 2560 x 1600, So jealous! ;)
Main: 2048x1600 = 2560 * 0.8
Clones: 512x400 = 1600 * 0.32 = 512, 1200 / 4 = 400 (400 * 1.28 = 512, 1600 * .32 = 512)

etc

Here is a spreadsheet to check it out for yourselves http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pwSDwaC91Ua48OJTYAyx6eg

[BobGnarly]

Hey Rob,

Thanks for doing this. I actually tried something like this and really didn't like the outcome before I settled on what I have now. However, since you went through all this trouble, I'll give it a shot tonight and see how it looks - I didn't have quite the same allocations.

I'll post a screenshot of it. Thanks again!


Howdy Bob,

let me give a shot at fixing your aspect ratio.. and maybe help the look up/down issue at the same time.
(before trying any of this.. copy your keyclone.ini file and keep it safe... just copy it back, without keyclone running, to reset back to what you have now)

ok.. assuming your screen is 2560 x 1600 (whoa!).. let's see what i can do.

first, to improve the vertical, i'd consider stacking your clones on the right. the trick is, how big would they be. we know the vertical is 1600 tall and there will be 4 clones... that gives us a starting point.
here's the math:

clone: w,h (w,400)
main: w,h (2560 - w, 1600)

clone aspect ratio: w / 400
main aspect ratio: (2560 - w) / 1600

solving for w:
----
w / 400 == (2560 - w) / 1600
4 * w = (2560 - w)
5 * w = 2560
w = 512
----
so... the clones are ( 512,400 ) and your main would be ( 2048, 1600 )

so, your regions would be as follows:

main: x,y (0,0) w,h (2048,1600)
cloneA: x,y (2048,0) w,h (512,400)
cloneB: x,y (2048,512) w,h (512,400)
cloneC: x,y (2048,1024) w,h (512,400)
cloneD: x,y (2048,1536) w,h (512,400)

post a pic and let me see how it comes out.

[BobGnarly]

OK, I tried this out tonight. Here's the screenies and some thoughts. Excuse the button layouts and whatnot, they're still configured for the other resolutions.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9536/newlayout1lv3.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newlayout1lv3.jpg)

This is the "base" setup after I loaded, paladin main with 4 shaman alts to the left as designed.

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4027/newlayout2wu0.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newlayout2wu0.jpg)

This is after I switched with an alt using PIP.

So, I actually like this more than I thought. I definitely like maintaining the aspect ratio. It was very bad before because I was going from a very wide widescreen to something close to square. That part is pure win, and could be worth the change alone. Not sure how I feel about the clone windows, they are even smaller overall. Of course, that's not of primary importance since you don't do much of consequence in them, but I do still have a few things so hmm.

I'm going to try it out for a while and see.

Thanks again for taking the time to do this. I'll let you know what I decide.

[keyclone]

yup.. aspect ratios look spot on. what size is your monitor? 30" ?? how well was the PiP swapping working? smooth?

i'll be interested to hear what you thought of its playability...

[BobGnarly]

yeah, it's a dell 30".

I was actually going to ask you about the PIP performance. It seems to take around 5s sometimes to switch between the windows. Is that something I should just expect because of the size of the monitors, or could there be something else going on?

I don't remember it being like this before, but it could have been that I was in shat when I was doing this. I'll try it tomorrow somewhere with less lag to see if that could be it.

[Djarid]

I had slow performance on Pip for a while, I did the following 3 things ... added another 2Gb (only really got 800Mb though but had them so I put them in), moved from 5 independent wow folders to 1 on its own and 4 using the same DATA folder (huge improvement) and had WM Player (not playing anything) running in the background (to change the media load interval)

Hey Rob, could you add that feature to Keyclone?

I now have sub 1 second switching between instances and with the following macro it is awesome (although the leader announcements are getting tiring)


/focus [nomodifier] Ashanav;[mod:shift,mod:ctrl]Ashanaw;[mod:shift,mod:alt]Ashanax;[mod:shift]Ashanay;[mod:ctrl]Ashanaz
/script PromoteToLeader("focus")

This macro is bound to the \ key my G- keys and PiP are configured as follows
G1 - \, Big(1538x1220), Ashanav
G2 - shift+ctrl+\, 1st (384x300), Ashanaw
G4 - shift+alt+\, 2nd (384x300), Ashanax
G5 - shift+\, 3rd (384x300), Ashanay
G5 - shift+\, 4rd (384x300), Ashanaz

so I get the party focus made party leader and their instance taking up the primary slot in PiP all from a single press... it Rocks!

[keyclone]

@Djarid
add which feature? focus switch? that's a wow in-game macro, nothing to do with keyclone

now, i believe i understand the issue with the WM player running.. and that is on the list and will appear in the next release

[Djarid]

Yay! thanks again :)

and I put a pic on the Original post for you

[Elektric]

So BOOBS is implemented in the new Keyclone?

I tried about 3 weeks ago to request this feature, but I failed miserably at describing what I wanted. I believe it was "The IT Monkey" who so elegantly described the BOOBS technology.

To think I could've been the father of BOOBS...I guess the good thing is I can go home and screw it....all up tonight and not feel morally dirty ;)

Cheer for this great feature, Best $10 bucks of my life.

[scottig]

nvm im a newb