Accounts w/ Different Names + Keyclone?

[Calx]

Note: Before reading this, know that Keyclone IS allowed by the TOS, just read up on it, you won't get banned for it. This is special circumstances.

I am curious, people say that it's a 'sure ban' if you're multiboxing using something like keyclone + accounts with different names.

However, since WoW came out, I've used two to three accounts at a time with different contact names, multiboxing (on the same system, usually, but manually - without the use of Keyclone or anything) and I've NEVER had any problems *at all*.

Is there something about them detecting Keyclone, then seeing the accounts running with it, and seeing that they have different names that gets you banned? Because I don't see any other reason for a 'guarenteed' ban besides that, since I've never had *any* issues running my multiple accounts.

Just curious, I don't want to risk my accounts with Keyclone if it's going to get my accounts banned when they weren't at risk before.

[Stealthy]

I am curious, people say that it's a 'sure ban' if you're multiboxing using something like keyclone + accounts with different names.

However, since WoW came out, I've used two to three accounts at a time with different contact names, multiboxing (on the same system, usually, but manually - without the use of Keyclone or anything) and I've NEVER had any problems *at all*.

Is there something about them detecting Keyclone, then seeing the accounts running with it, and seeing that they have different names that gets you banned? Because I don't see any other reason for a 'guarenteed' ban besides that, since I've never had *any* issues running my multiple accounts.

Just curious, I don't want to risk my accounts with Keyclone if it's going to get my accounts banned when they weren't at risk before.

Using Keyclone will defintely NOT get you banned. Playing with accounts under different names can however. As a multiboxer, expect to get your accounts looked at by GM's - if nothing has happened so far then you're not taking any additional risk by installing Keyclone.

Cheers,

Stealthy

[Zanjii]

The trick here is that sharing accounts is against the Terms of Service or whatchamacallit, outside of a very limited scope, and is a banable offense at that. And as is obvious, Multiboxers are not noted for being subtle and out of sight, they generally excel at drawing attention to themselves, whether they want to or not.

Nothing is a sure ban. If, however, you get reported and the GM checks up on your details and finds that you're simultaneously using accounts that aren't all yours, you may have some tricky explaining to do.


As to your real question, there is a subtle difference between multiboxing the old fasioned way with alt+tabbing or two keyboards or whatnot, and using Hard/Software multiplexing (sending one to signal several places). The difference is that you'll appear to be doing stuff a lot more synchronously with the latter, giving you a higher chance of being reported as a botter, thus earning you a higher chance of being scrutinized, thus a higher chance of being banned.


Also keep in mind, just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't ever happen. That's faulty logic, that is.


Disclaimer: you may want a second, third and fifth opinion on this, I am not exactly an whadduyacallit, expert.

[Vyndree]

I am curious, people say that it's a 'sure ban' if you're multiboxing using something like keyclone + accounts with different names.

It's a "sure ban" when you use accounts with different names, particularly when you log them in at the same time. Keyclone has nothing to do with it.

What does have something to do with it is how often you get "noticed" by our friendly neighborhood GM. Ask a multiboxer how many times per session they get report threats and you'll get the idea why breaking the terms of use doesn't last long.

Neither this forum, nor Blizzard, supports account sharing. So I'd suggest you only play on the accounts you legally own -- which means those which contain your full legal name.

[Calx]

I am curious, people say that it's a 'sure ban' if you're multiboxing using something like keyclone + accounts with different names.

It's a "sure ban" when you use accounts with different names, particularly when you log them in at the same time. Keyclone has nothing to do with it.

What does have something to do with it is how often you get "noticed" by our friendly neighborhood GM. Ask a multiboxer how many times per session they get report threats and you'll get the idea why breaking the terms of use doesn't last long.

Neither this forum, nor Blizzard, supports account sharing. So I'd suggest you only play on the accounts you legally own -- which means those which contain your full legal name.

Alright.

Just seems weird. Even as recent as a few weeks ago, and as far back as a year or two ago, I've talked to GMs directly about my multiple accounts/characters and even mentioned the account names/characters, without any issues.

I created the accounts, I don't buy/sell/trade characters - I know that's a good way to get banned. :D (Or just a good way to get scammed!) I just didn't put my real name in them when I made them, which in hindsight was stupid I suppose, but it had never been an issue in any previous MMO and I didn't think it would be in this one. Ah well. (Maybe the GMs let me slide on them when they saw them because they saw the original account creation address/credit cards etc or something, but I'm not going to risk it with keyclone)

If I could fix it to change the accounts to my name now, I would. But I can't, so, oh well.

(In total I have four accounts, created by me, with different creation contact names - two to three are active at a time, sometimes four - and I almost always am at least dual logging. Just manually, not with keyclone.)

[mlwhitt]

Personally I have 5 accounts. All of them have the same contact information besides one account that my wife set up for me as a surprise. The problem was that she didn't have a clue about the game or whatnot so when she set up my second account she used her name. She does not, nor never has played and bought the game for me.

So I have an account that has my wife's name on it and four others that had my name on it. I never really thought much about it but since this topic and another like it I have decided to stop playing that account. Kind of sucks because I have a 70 on it but don't want to risk getting my other 4 accounts banned.

I really wish though there was different rules for a married couple. I am sure I am not the only person that got an account set up by a spouse that doesn't play the game.

[Eteocles]

Contact the Account guys and ask, since you're gonna quit using the account anyways you have nothing to lose or risk by asking; ask them "I'm a multiboxer. I've heard of other multiboxers getting in trouble due to non-matching names on accounts if they're reported for botting and the like; my 5th account, which only /I/ have ever used, was created by my wife as a birthday/other special occasion surprise. Due to this fact i'm afraid to continue using this account for fear of losing it or going through a long drawn out process in proving what I need to prove. Due to the above, is there any way I can have it switched to my name? I'll provide whatever you need, as I can prove my identity as well as my wife's if need be, I just have a 70 on there I'd rather not lose because of this."

Something like that :p Might get lucky since yours is true and a legit concern.

[Ghu]

You can however transfer the level 70 character to a new account setup in your name since your last name is the same.

"Who is eligible for account to account transfers?
Transfers between accounts are only allowed between one account where you are the owner to another account where you are the owner. To initiate an "account to account" transfer, you will have to answer the 'secret question' for each account, and the last name of each account holder must match. "

[Otlecs]

>but I'm not going to risk it with keyclone

I think you've missed the crux of the matter here. Multiboxing raises your profile. Keyclone does not. A raised profile means more GM attention.

At the time of writing this, Keyclone has absolutely no impact whatsoever on the risk to your account. There are multiple accounts right here, on these forums, of people proactively contacting GMs to explain their setup and being told it's fine. There are also lots of posts, including very recent ones on the WoW forums, saying that the way Keyclone operates is fine.

I'm not jumping on you here, not am I being pedantic for the sake of pedantry. I just want to be certain that nobody reading this thread will walk away under the mis-informed belief that Keyclone operates outside the current rules of the game, because it does not.

[Calx]

>but I'm not going to risk it with keyclone

I think you've missed the crux of the matter here. Multiboxing raises your profile. Keyclone does not. A raised profile means more GM attention.

At the time of writing this, Keyclone has absolutely no impact whatsoever on the risk to your account. There are multiple accounts right here, on these forums, of people proactively contacting GMs to explain their setup and being told it's fine. There are also lots of posts, including very recent ones on the WoW forums, saying that the way Keyclone operates is fine.

I'm not jumping on you here, not am I being pedantic for the sake of pedantry. I just want to be certain that nobody reading this thread will walk away under the mis-informed belief that Keyclone operates outside the current rules of the game, because it does not.I understand Keyclone is safe to use. However, I also understand the image of a character being followed by two or more other characters, and the characters all casting synchronized spells can cause reports that cause investigations into the accounts. With manual multiboxing, I'm guessing I don't get reported often (or at all) because it doesn't look like that. So, I do think that multiboxing with Keyclone in particulary *can* raise your profile.

I don't doubt Keyclone is safe, I've read all the posts with GMs and CSRs saying that it's well within the TOS. I am just guessing it's not safe in my case - since people report that Keyclone + Multiboxing = ban, and I (as well as others I know) multibox with different contact name accounts without keyclone and have never received a ban.

Warning: THEORY ahead!
Also, we do know that Warden is invasive, although with good cause in my personal opinion, I'm willing to accept it - nobody (legit) wants botters/hackers :D and that it can probably tell that you're running Keyclone. Theoretically, Keyclone could be used by botters to very easily farm gold or powerlevel or something. For all we know, that DOES flag the accounts for 'investigation' to make sure that the accounts are being run within the TOS. Nothing wrong with that, just not a risk I'm willing to take. I bought the boxes, paid for my accounts, leveled my characters, but I made the stupid mistake of putting fake names on there. My own dumb fault.


Note: I updated my initial post so people understand I'm not questioning Keyclone's safety, just the risk in my particular situation.

[The IT Monkey]

Theoretically, Keyclone could be used by botters to very easily farm gold or powerlevel or something. Not even THEORETICALLY possible. Keyclone is not used by "botters", if they are botters they are AUTOMATING character actions using some program that does things that you CAN NOT DO with keyclone. AHK can be used to break the ToS (that is why I personally dont use it). Keyclone (the creator of the program) has been very careful not to include ANY of that functionality in Keyclone the program.

Farming gold? Not against the ToS. Selling gold IS against the ToS. We should be calling them Gold SELLERS instead of farmers because we ALL farm gold and in fact Blizzard encourages that. (Have you seen the price of Epic Flying Mounts?)

Powerleveling? Not against the ToS. Powerleveling a character on someone else's account IS against the ToS. As is playing someone else's account at all. You are in fact breaking the ToS by having several accounts not in your name. I am not getting down on you for this as I currently have the same issue with one of my accounts. I am currently trying to rectify that situation but it's looking like I am going to just have to bite the bullet and level up another character to 65 on that account. I plan to do this by boosting (formally known as Powerleveling) but in the legal way, by dragging him behind MY characters.


since people report that Keyclone + Multiboxing = ban People may "report" this but if they do those reports are FALSE. Multiboxing raises your profile... as in you get more attention. HOWEVER YOU DO IT. It's not all casting at once, it's four guys following your toon all looking like your main.

Multiboxing = attention = gm attention

gm attention + anything funky about your accounts = ban

anythign funky about your accounts /= keyclone

[kllrwlf]

Multiboxing = attention = gm attention

gm attention + anything funky about your accounts = ban

anything funky about your accounts /= keyclone

It is this simple. ^^^

Most botters use a program called [EDITED] which runs around a predetermined path and kill mobs for hours. The easiest way to spot a botter, is a toon not wearing quest or instance gear.

-- EDITED TO REMOVE THE ILLEGAL NON-TOS CONFORMING SOFTWARE NAME

[The IT Monkey]

Thanks for agreeing with me kllrwlf.

Could you do me a favor and remove the name of the botting program from your response? Don't want to advertise a program that is only used for botting.

[kllrwlf]

Thanks for agreeing with me kllrwlf.

Could you do me a favor and remove the name of the botting program from your response? Don't want to advertise a program that is only used for botting.

Done. :)

[Diamndzngunz]

Personally I have 5 accounts. All of them have the same contact information besides one account that my wife set up for me as a surprise. The problem was that she didn't have a clue about the game or whatnot so when she set up my second account she used her name. She does not, nor never has played and bought the game for me.

So I have an account that has my wife's name on it and four others that had my name on it. I never really thought much about it but since this topic and another like it I have decided to stop playing that account. Kind of sucks because I have a 70 on it but don't want to risk getting my other 4 accounts banned.

I really wish though there was different rules for a married couple. I am sure I am not the only person that got an account set up by a spouse that doesn't play the game.There is no one you can contact to get the billing information changed? Maybe call blizzard?

[Mystrana]

Just a quick ? i run two account with different login names but both
have my name and contact details on the accounts and paid for by the
same credit card.

will that be a worry(the two different login names) ?



P.S im new (about 1 week old at this)

P.P.S i log both in manually i dont use Keyclone to log in with.

[Diamndzngunz]

It should not be.. seeing everyone has a different log in name.

You cannot have 4 accounts with Bob as the login name. Think about it.

[Mystrana]

DOH well teaches me for staying up late last night :)

should have known that Thank you

[RGant]

Thats my situation for the last year and a half.Keyclone + 2 accounts with different Registration Names(Mine and my ex-girlfriend) and different Contact Details.Both accounts are paid by the same credit card.

They KNOW im doing this but they basically dont care at all.So I try to stay out of trouble 'cos that day they could start caring.

Maybe the trick is I dont use identhical characters nor the same class(I have leveled undead lock + belf priest / belf paladin + orc warrior / dwarf hunter + draenei mage) so maybe I have never been reported(never talked to a GM).

If the setup is 5 undeads mages youre pretty fucked up Im afraid.

[DarkslayrX]

Personally I have 5 accounts. All of them have the same contact information besides one account that my wife set up for me as a surprise. The problem was that she didn't have a clue about the game or whatnot so when she set up my second account she used her name. She does not, nor never has played and bought the game for me.

So I have an account that has my wife's name on it and four others that had my name on it. I never really thought much about it but since this topic and another like it I have decided to stop playing that account. Kind of sucks because I have a 70 on it but don't want to risk getting my other 4 accounts banned.

I really wish though there was different rules for a married couple. I am sure I am not the only person that got an account set up by a spouse that doesn't play the game.
I agree - I hadn't thought twice about this before. I have been using my wife's acct (my 2nd of 5) for boxing for months since it turned out wow was not at all her thing (all the acct info is the same excpet our first names). After spending time looking into this yesterday, I concluded Blizzard has some specific rules against husband / wife sharing (and that you will get banned)....I reluctantly picked up another copy of wow last night, will transfer what i can over (items, gold, etc.) and will cancel my wife's acct. I'd rather start over on 1 char, then have all 5 banned.

They have an interesting write-up on this topic here... http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=21506&rhtml=true

WHAT ABOUT COMMUNITY PROPERTY LAWS?

In some States, Countries and regions, a married couple owns all property jointly, so why can't they both use a single World of Warcraft account? The answer lies in what a World of Warcraft Account is and who owns it. Blizzard maintains ownership of all World of Warcraft accounts. The Terms of Use agreement is a license to use the account you establish, as long as you obey all the rules. A World of Warcraft account is like an amusement park ticket. By buying the ticket you, and one of your minor children if you so choose, can enter the amusement park. While you and your spouse may be one legal entity for property considerations, you will each need your own ticket in order to enter the amusement park. Tickets cannot be given away or shared with anyone; they only grant entrance for one specific person and their minor child. Additionally, if you break the rules your ticket may be revoked; allowing other people (including your spouse) to use your ticket instead of acquiring their own is considered a serious infraction and may result in everyone involved being escorted from the amusement park!

[Notes]

[quote='mlwhitt',index.php?page=Thread&postID=42815#post42815]all the acct info is the same excpet our first names

Having the same surename acttualy saves you here, since first names doen't matter. GM told me this as I was using an account with a fake first name, real last name, and it will never be a problem.

I said it before and I'll do it again: evenryone with something wrong about their account info, contact a GM yourself. The GM I spoke litterly told me: Just don't log in from now on, stay low, and contact the Account and Billing support. After I did, Blizzard was most helpfull and it got fixed in a blink of an eye. I feel I'm no exeption because they replied very quick and said "Sorry for all the trouble" after it got fixed 8| ( My problem was I also did have an account with totally fake info)

That's like :thumbsup: :thumbsup: !

Just don't stress out, and try to sort it with Blizz, worked for me